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    Quote Originally Posted by bull.... View Post
    maybe ? similar worded statements by amp

    "AMP today announced a strategic review to explore options to maximize shareholder value and optimize its capital structure."
    Outcome: AMP ultimately agreed to a takeover offer from Ares Management, a US-based private equity firm, in a deal worth AU$6.3 billion.
    Similarities:

    • Both Tower Limited and AMP Limited used similar language in their statements, mentioning a strategic review to "maximize shareholder value" and "optimize capital structure".


    • Both companies engaged financial advisers to assist with the review process.
    • Both reviews were supported by significant shareholders.

    interesting! thanks for sharing.

    what was the valuation method used? book value multiple or earnings multiple?
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    That Pacific International outfit will be involved in any Corp activity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawz View Post
    interesting! thanks for sharing.

    what was the valuation method used? book value multiple or earnings multiple?
    Valuation Methods Used in AMP Sale


    According to publicly available information, the valuation methods used in the AMP sale to Ares Management included:


    Discounted Cash Flow (DCF) Analysis
    Comparable Companies Analysis (CCA)
    Precedent Transactions Analysis (PTA)


    Asset-Based Valuation


    The valuation multiples reportedly used in the AMP sale included:


    Price-to-Earnings (P/E) Ratio: 12.5x - 15x


    Price-to-Book (P/B) Ratio: 1.2x - 1.5x


    Enterprise Value-to-EBITDA (EV/EBITDA) Ratio: 8x - 10x
    Sale Price


    the sale price of AU$6.3 billion represented a:
    26% premium to AMP's closing share price on the day before the announcement
    20% premium to AMP's 30-day volume-weighted average price (VWAP)
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    qbe had a takeover of westfarmers general insurance in 2021

    price to book of 1.43x
    pe multiple of 14.5x
    ev to ebitda 10.3x
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    Sure shareholders jumped at the chance to get a bit of a premium on current shareholders, but longterm holders have taken a pounding (although should have exited years ago).

    Screenshot 2024-07-25 094208.jpg

    Don't know much about AMP, except they were beyond useless when I had my Kiwisaver with them, when they took over my provider.

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    Confidence shaken to the core today. Down a couple of cents... is this the turn? Is the insurance biz not profitable any more? Does someone know about an impending disaster before the dividends come in? Is Stiassny still alive and why hasnt the company announced anything to mitigate this loss of confidence?

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    The Tower share price falls on low volume,while it rises on high volume.The share price remains in a strong uptrend .

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    Looks like Salt are feeding the sell side at regular intervals.

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    3m of there sales was a transfer . so they hardly sold any


    this is what they said in june

    By far the largest positive was our large, long-held position in
    Tower (TWR, +9.6%). With the benefit of knowing in hindsight
    about biblical floods and rampant claims of cost inflation, we
    may have been a couple of years too early, but it is working in
    spades now. The new news was that TWR upgraded their
    guidance again for 24-year NPAT to be greater than $40m
    rather than greater than $35m previously. We found this
    upgraded guidance a little odd as it came only two weeks after
    their interim result and nothing obvious changed in the
    interim.
    Our take is it still looks conservative and that it is
    before the huge potential impact of their large events
    allowance. If there are no major calamities before endSeptember, NPAT will lift by a further $32m – massive in the
    context of a $330m market cap.

    they then say

    In our view, the market materially mis-forecasts TWR as having to eat their full large
    events allowance every year, when history suggests it is far
    less frequent than this. ( meaning undervalue it )
    Last edited by bull....; 26-07-2024 at 03:49 PM.
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    Thanks bull, I just skim read it. I’m picking we may see late flurry to finish slightly up or flat for the day.

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