Was this the start of a US Presidential campaign

[jonu]

Source?

$1.4T was spent by Bush fighting hill-tribes in pickup trucks who managed to elude them for a minimum of 8 years until obama found and killed Bin Laden

$200b was spent to fight the new imperial russian army (and yes some to prop up the ukrainian govt).

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-ed...n-afghanistan/
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much...-going-ukraine

These are my sources which back up my statement. And that only covers until mid 2023.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/21/p...ers/index.html
https://www.statista.com/chart/29375...-to-past-wars/

Your source for the trillions figure for Afghanistan seems extraordinarily vague for a so called fact checking site.
Either way, both spends for a questionable outcome but a very profitable war are heinous.

[jonu]

Of course it is Democrat US Presidents, NATO’s defensive alliance, and Russian democrats and opposition that are the aggressors and the problem. Putin is the victim here. ​/irony.

I merely pointed out what Putin got up to under the two most recent Democrat Presidents, as opposed to sitting on his hands when Trump was President.

Why the outrage? I wasn't critical of Ukraine for defending itself.

The ridiculous position that Biden good/Trump bad doesn't stand scrutiny.

[Panda-NZ-]

These are my sources which back up my statement. And that only covers until mid 2023.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/21/p...ers/index.html
https://www.statista.com/chart/29375...-to-past-wars/

Your source for the trillions figure for Afghanistan seems extraordinarily vague for a so called fact checking site.
Either way, both spends for a questionable outcome but a very profitable war are heinous.

Oh jonu *sigh*, those are annual figures. Multiply the Afghanistan figure by 20.

[jonu]

Oh jonu *sigh*, those are annual figures. Multiply the Afghanistan figure by 20.

There's 10 years of Afghan data there

[Balance]

I merely pointed out what Putin got up to under the two most recent Democrat Presidents, as opposed to sitting on his hands when Trump was President.

Why the outrage? I wasn't critical of Ukraine for defending itself.

The ridiculous position that Biden good/Trump bad doesn't stand scrutiny.

Putin did not have to lift a finger under Trump as the Fornicator was doing all the work for him - undermining NATO and Western allies. What a great deal it was for Putin!

[Daytr]

Oh jonu *sigh*, those are annual figures. Multiply the Afghanistan figure by 20.

I was about to say, Jonu obviously doesn't understand what his own source is saying.
Annual, is a pretty key word there.
Oh well in 10 - 20 years if the Ukraine war it's still going on he might be proven right.
Let's hope neither are the case.

[jonu]

Putin did not have to lift a finger under Trump as the Fornicator was doing all the work for him - undermining NATO and Western allies. What a great deal it was for Putin!

Well that would be one view. Except that NATO had been freeloading/screwing the US for years and Trump was right to call them out.
Don't you see a pattern of warmongering across multiple US administrations of both Republicans and Democrats? Trump's not in the club. I think he genuinely doesn't want the US constantly at war, or funding insurgents in every corner either. Who in their right mind would give the Taliban 8 billion just months after they had crapped all over the US withdrawal from Afghanistan? Well Joe did...but it is evident to even Democrat supporters Joe is not in his right mind...or even his left!

[Daytr]

Well that would be one view. Except that NATO had been freeloading/screwing the US for years and Trump was right to call them out.
Don't you see a pattern of warmongering across multiple US administrations of both Republicans and Democrats? Trump's not in the club. I think he genuinely doesn't want the US constantly at war, or funding insurgents in every corner either. Who in their right mind would give the Taliban 8 billion just months after they had crapped all over the US withdrawal from Afghanistan? Well Joe did...but it is evident to even Democrat supporters Joe is not in his right mind...or even his left!

But not a Trump supporter eh...
How about those annualized figures?
Quit whilst you are ahead.

[Bjauck]

Well that would be one view. Except that NATO had been freeloading/screwing the US for years and Trump was right to call them out.
Don't you see a pattern of warmongering across multiple US administrations of both Republicans and Democrats? Trump's not in the club. I think he genuinely doesn't want the US constantly at war, or funding insurgents in every corner either. Who in their right mind would give the Taliban 8 billion just months after they had crapped all over the US withdrawal from Afghanistan? Well Joe did...but it is evident to even Democrat supporters Joe is not in his right mind...or even his left!

A few questions to think about. The US is both an Atlantic and a Pacific country. If you strip out the atomic weaponry and infrastructure, which the USA has as a counter to China, how does the percentage of gdp spent on defence compare with the rest of the NATO countries? How would the US economy fare if Russia countrolled much of Europe and China controlled much of Asia? How would the balance of power change? How safe would the USA be? What percentage of defence spending actually stimulates the US economy?

[Panda-NZ-]

Well that would be one view. Except that NATO had been freeloading/screwing the US for years and Trump was right to call them out.
Don't you see a pattern of warmongering across multiple US administrations of both Republicans and Democrats? Trump's not in the club. I think he genuinely doesn't want the US constantly at war, or funding insurgents in every corner either. Who in their right mind would give the Taliban 8 billion just months after they had crapped all over the US withdrawal from Afghanistan? Well Joe did...but it is evident to even Democrat supporters Joe is not in his right mind...or even his left!

There hasn't been a war between great powers since NATO.

Isolationism was the US view pre-WW2 and it was a "head-in-the-sand" position that led to a surprise attack which crippled the US Navy and directly before that countries that *could* have been US allies being smashed down by tyrants. Small actions are taken now to prevent issues later.

A rational cost-benefit comparison should be done.