Nat/act/nzf 2023

[ynot]

The old FPP system is used in the UK. Just look at the awful (Johnson, Truss, Sunak) PMs they have had based on a landslide majority of seats for the Conservatives, but only about 44% of the popular vote.

That argument does not condone the loss of democracy we have here where the rot from the left is strangling our ability to function constructively. Look at the rot that has migrated to so many facets of our function. Govt dept's and SOE's hamstrung and underfunded by woke BS. Ferries and power pylons for example.
At least in a democracy like the UK they can in time vote out the unproductive, unlike the socialist mess we have evolved into.

[mistaTea]

That argument does not condone the loss of democracy we have here where the rot from the left is strangling our ability to function constructively. Look at the rot that has migrated to so many facets of our function. Govt dept's and SOE's hamstrung and underfunded by woke BS. Ferries and power pylons for example.
At least in a democracy like the UK they can in time vote out the unproductive, unlike the socialist mess we have evolved into.

Yes very true.

FPP v MMP another discussion that can polarise.

Both systems have merit. Both systems have negatives.

For FPP a big merit for the system is that every single parliamentarian has been elected by their peers. They never snuck in on a party vote.

What could be more democratic than that? The idea that it is not democratic because sometimes the party who wins did not get an outright majority from overall votes does not wash with me.
Each constituency votes, and whoever gets the most seat wins. I think that is very democratic and protects the provinces and smaller cities from the big cities deciding the election if you did not have FPP.

The negative is that it is a two horse race and one party gets in with absolute power. If the new government is benevolent that is awesome but all governments eventually lose their way and it can feel like a long time until the next election when you have a bad single party govt able to do whatever they want without any real handbrake.

MMP merit is that it usually eliminates the negative side of FPP. It gives voters much more choice and forces the big parties to make deals/concessions when forming a govt. With a little luck, the concessions made are usually good ones!

The downside of course is that you do often get situations where the tail wags the dog. This can leave a lot of people feeling ripped off.

We have seen this in many elections since MMP came in. Funny enough, all of those situations seem to involve Winnie! Hmmmmn.

[Bjauck]

That argument does not condone the loss of democracy we have here where the rot from the left is strangling our ability to function constructively. Look at the rot that has migrated to so many facets of our function. Govt dept's and SOE's hamstrung and underfunded by woke BS. Ferries and power pylons for example.
At least in a democracy like the UK they can in time vote out the unproductive, unlike the socialist mess we have evolved into.

We have just voted out the Lab-Greens.

Can the UK as easily do the same? 56% did not vote for the Conservative party candidates last general election, yet the conservatives got a landslide majority in the House of Commons. Many of the Conservative promises turned out to be empty. The UK is developing into a divided Nationalist mess destroying their trade and economy.

What’s more the UK Labour Party looks set to get a landslide this coming election, with less than 50% of the vote. Underfunding of infrastrucure and poor productivity is an issue for the UK too. A right wing mess.

[Panda-NZ-]

Each constituency voted, and whoever gets the most seat together. I think that is very democratic and protects the provinces from the big cities deciding the election if you did not have FPP.

How's rural america and england doing.. much worse than NZ.

One person, one vote (each vote should be worth the same).

[mistaTea]

How's rural america and england doing.. much worse than NZ.

One person, one vote (each vote should be worth the same).

In what way are the USA and UK worse than NZ? From what I can see it is NZ that a lot of it’s citizens are trying to escape from.

FPP is one person one vote.

[Getty]

Brownie to the rescue!

No, not Wayne, but Simeon.
He's reigning in the orange cone mob.

Nzta had lost their handle on the cost of the mob on the highways.

Auckland Council is spending $145M p.a. on the mob!

Not for much longer.

The 2 Brownies will be in collusion on this one.

Down with the mob!

[mistaTea]

Brownie to the rescue!

No, not Wayne, but Simeon.
He's reigning in the orange cone mob.

Nzta had lost their handle on the cost of the mob on the highways.

Auckland Council is spending $145M p.a. on the mob!

Not for much longer.

The 2 Brownies will be in collusion on this one.

Down with the mob!

Yes, I am fast becoming a big fan about Simeon.

Damn shane about the name really, but hey he can’t have it all!

[Getty]

Chris Penk is looking a useful addition to Cabinet as well.

[ynot]

We have just voted out the Lab-Greens.

Can the UK as easily do the same? 56% did not vote for the Conservative party candidates last general election, yet the conservatives got a landslide majority in the House of Commons. Many of the Conservative promises turned out to be empty. The UK is developing into a divided Nationalist mess destroying their trade and economy.

What’s more the UK Labour Party looks set to get a landslide this coming election, with less than 50% of the vote. Underfunding of infrastrucure and poor productivity is an issue for the UK too. A right wing mess.

To a point I do agree with you. UK is far from perfect as this interview demonstrates.

https://youtu.be/pidSG5nMkW8?si=OrE1IWVA4LnpgvdA

[Bjauck]

In what way are the USA and UK worse than NZ? From what I can see it is NZ that a lot of it’s citizens are trying to escape from.

FPP is one person one vote.

Gerrymandered electorates, electorates with variable numbers of electors, minor parties under-represented etc.. We had periods of migrating NZers under FPP too.