Nat/act/nzf 2023

[Bjauck]

I do assume you are aware of the Fonterra Free Milk in Schools program that ended in 2000 after a few years, blamed on COVID like most other things. It was a great initiative by Fonterra but the delivery and administration of it was the killer. How many trials do we need ?

"Throwing into the bin" like you suggest is a typical "kick the can down the road" response to all these do-gooder programs that make everyone feel better but either deliver very little benefit or become too difficult/expensive to implement, or both. Just like most of Labour's "kindness" in the last 6 years.

There have been numerous reasons put on here over the last few pages on the difficulty of this and questionable benefit of this and other similar programs, but those promoting it just say there are no valid arguments against it. It looks like quite an ideological difference between those that want such feel good programs as long as the Government pays for it and those that want value for every dollar spent by Government.

I wasn’t suggesting a milk program but a liquid meal replacement program, for those who have antipathy towards a lunch scheme. As for value for taxpayer money spent or foregone. Ultimately that is coloured by a person’s social or political priority.

However, true I would prefer to be a do gooder than a do nothing. My preference is still for a comprehensive lunch programme along the lines of the British scheme. The British government had hardly been a hand-wringing socialist one for the past almost 15 years.

https://www.nrpfnetwork.org.uk/infor...ority%20areas.

[Daytr]

They say the pen is mightier than the sword, so l will pen my reply to you.

Somehow you have lost the plot.

We agree children need their school lunch, and l have pointed out to you that it will either be supplied from home by reformed behaviour, or else charged back to the parent by the means explained if supplied by school.

Yet you say the kids will still go hungry....

You then go on to question childcare and gold cards.

You really have thrown up your lunch.

I can read the anger in your posts and it's clearly clouding your thinking.

What you have proposed simply won't work.
My reference to other welfare be it childcare or goldcards etc is why should the Government subsidize these sectors and not be willing to fund kids that are going hungry. Even David Seymour has backed down on his initial stance.

You questioned in another post about how many kids are going hungry.
It just displays that you have no idea about the extent of the issue and as such perhaps shouldn't be commenting on something you clearly know nothing about.

But by all means keep repeating your simplistic and unrealistic solution.
Yeah let's charge those guys who already can't afford lunch for their kids. That will teach em. That will get them to give up smoking, drinking or worse. In the worst cases, that won't be taken out on the kids. 🙄
Such a cure-all, why didn't anyone else think of that. 🙄

[Getty]

I can read the anger in your posts and it's clearly clouding your thinking.

What you have proposed simply won't work.
My reference to other welfare be it childcare or goldcards etc is why
should the Government subsidize these sectors and not be willing to fund kids that are going hungry. Even David Seymour has backed down on his initial stance.

You questioned in another post about how many kids are going hungry.
It just displays that you have no idea about the extent of the issue and as such perhaps shouldn't be commenting on something you clearly know nothing about.

But by all means keep repeating your simplistic and unrealistic solution.
Yeah let's charge those guys who already can't afford lunch for their kids. That will teach em. That will get them to give up smoking, drinking or worse. In the worst cases, that won't be taken out on the kids. 🙄
Such a cure-all, why didn't anyone else think of that. 🙄

Yout psychology analysis is hopeless.

Re post where I questioned numbers.

[Daytr]

Plenty of kid-starving ****heels currently collecting the pension.

Are there now?

Please single them out, and forward their names to Daytr.

His notion that the masses should be punished because of the actions of a few, who get off scot free, needs to be seriously challenged!

Yout psychology analysis is hopeless.

Re post where I questioned numbers.

You make it too easy.

[Getty]

You make it too easy.

With a misconstrue like that, you would get a job as a spin doctor for the Labour Party any time you want it.

[nztx]

With a misconstrue like that, you would get a job as a spin doctor for the Labour Party any time you want it.

They mightn't have any dough left though .. would a bit of story telling to fix a few other fishy tales fit instead ?

[Panda-NZ-]

One does have a lifetime to save when it comes to a pension. It's not unpredictable or comes out of the blue.

It's true though that NZ's economy doesn't allow you to have a good income. Add WFF and accomodation supplement, & all the rest (incl super) it's all an expensive band aid for a low wage economy.

[Balance]

Have a read of what this government is still funding, despite all the bold talk about taking a knife to wasteful spending.

Time for ACT & NZF to really apply the hot iron to the backsides of Luxon and Willis to stop all the nonsensical spending.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/...an-afford-this

Examples :

Hapai te hauora: Breathing your ancestors into life

"Hāpai te hauora’ as ‘breathing your ancestors into life’, captures the breadth & connections of a generation – rangatahi Māori–a generation moving forward together. This proposal builds on an HRC funded project (18/651) exploring the ways rangatahi Māori make sense of & live hāpai te hauora through navigating journeys of hauora & wellbeing."

Approved funding: $649,992

Timely access to rongoa Māori in cancer care services for Māori

"Prior to Europeans arriving in Aotearoa, traditional Māori way of healing was the only hauora practice Māori knew. Today, traditonal Māori healing is known as Rongoā Māori. Rongoā Māori is diverse and can include karakia [prayer], wai [water], waiata [music], himene [hymns], access to the ngahere [forest] and whenua [land].

For Māori health consumers, patients and whānau accessing cancer care service; seldom they are made aware of or referred early to rongoā Māori practitioners at the beginning of their cancer care journey.

Using tikanga Māori methodology and codesign with Māori health and iwi providers, our method will include interviews, and hui with rongoā Māori practitioners, Māori and Iwi providers, Māori health consumers, patients, their whānau, and health professionals in primary and secondary care in the MidCentral region to explore ways for timely access to rongoā Māori in cancer care services for Māori."

Approved funding: $398,771

Rather than fund the actual cancer medicines, the Government is funding "timely access" to cancer treatments witch-doctor cancer treatments. Ka pai!

If that doesn't work, there is always music therapy:

He Whiringa Māramatanga: Kaupapa Māori Music and healing

"‘He Whiringa Māramatanga’ examines Kaupapa Māori music theories and practices as a pathway to accelerating Māori well-being. Music theory is primarily located within Western music notation, harmony, and tonality. However, Māori Music, particularly through oral forms such as waiata, karakia, ruruku, haka, pūrākau and whakapapa, illustrate that Māori have unique key elements of musical theories to create oral legacies and that traditional Western definitions of ‘music’ may be confining for true Māori creative expression."

Approved funding: $377,550

[Panda-NZ-]

Yikes. A good paternalistic publicity film from a generation prior to Rogernomics for visitors or potential (white and/or British?) immigrants to join NZers who as the BBC sounding presenter chimes are taller easy-going of mostly British stock. Conformity being a prerequisite? However infrastructure for the smaller population may have been fit for the purposes of 1959. It is not a documentary.

True it may have been a rose tinted view.

But it would have been a time when Aussies would have wanted to move here. imagine that.

Today even the Aussie wealthy stay away even though they would be considerably better off in NZ in monetary terms.

[Bjauck]

True it may have been a rose tinted view.

But it would have been a time when Aussies would have wanted to move here. imagine that.

Today even the Aussie wealthy stay away even though they would be considerably better off in NZ in monetary terms.

The UK took about 65% of NZ’s exports in 1955. It was comparatively great when there was imperial preference and when NZ was the UK’s farm. That generation of Kiwis often looked on Australians as uncouth ex-convicts. How the tables turned….