Nat/act/nzf 2023

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Plenty of kid-starving ****heels currently collecting the pension.

Are there now?

Please single them out, and forward their names to Daytr.

His notion that the masses should be punished because of the actions of a few, who get off scot free, needs to be seriously challenged!

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The capiche as you express it is quite simple, as is your solution that simply won't work.

You are expecting parents who we can all agree are behaving irresponsibly to change behaviors just because they have less money. In fact the opposite will be true and more kids will suffer.

Capiche?

Some will not change behaviour, but it will be from their pocket lunch is provided, not you wanting to plunder the balance of the tax payers.

[Daytr]

Some will not change behaviour, but it will be from their pocket lunch is provided, not you wanting to plunder the balance of the tax payers.

And kids still go hungry, problem not solved now and creating generational problems for the future..
Is the gold card plundering the tax payer?
Is subsidizing childcare?
Is the pension?
Choose your weapon.

[mistaTea]

It’s still not too late for us all to have a cuddle you know.

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And kids still go hungry, problem not solved now and creating generational problems for the future..
Is the gold card plundering the tax payer?
Is subsidizing childcare?
Is the pension?
Choose your weapon.

They say the pen is mightier than the sword, so l will pen my reply to you.

Somehow you have lost the plot.

We agree children need their school lunch, and l have pointed out to you that it will either be supplied from home by reformed behaviour, or else charged back to the parent by the means explained if supplied by school.

Yet you say the kids will still go hungry....

You then go on to question childcare and gold cards.

You really have thrown up your lunch.

[Panda-NZ-]

A wonderful glimpse in time before the devastation of rogernomics and ruthanasia to balance some numbers on a page.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BRnoIFC5I8

Look how well off we were (proper infrastructure, services etc).

[iceman]

I really cannot understand the objection that some have over provided school lunches. It is a way to ensure a state benefit actually is received by the child.

It is a small way to make sure NZ’s children are given a reasonable start, no matter the environment they find themselves in. Just as it is important make sure our old folk are cared for too.

The state used to provide school milk. How about a ready to drink carton of ensure or another meal replacement. It would be a cheap alternative providing nutrition for children. No heating or refrigeration needed.

Bjauck it is a wonderful idea to get the kids to drink milk. But what do you think will happen to the cartons after the drink from them ? Would you like to be the teacher that has up to 35 five year old kids to look after and now has to clean, fold in a certain way and dispose of these cartons ? Yes they can not simply throw them in a rubbish bin.
This may sound insignificant but tell that to the teachers that have to do this, alongside their normal work of looking after all these kids and trying to teach them. Many of them completely out of control and the teacher not even allowed to grab them by the shoulder when they are upsetting the class room and often attacking or threatening other kids. The class room isn't the utopia that many on here seem to think it is in NZ today and the teachers continue to be lumped with all sorts of extra crap that has nothing to do with educating the kids. We simply can not continue to add all this extra stuff to schools without fully funding people to administer it.
I know teachers that have had a gutsfull of this and are leaving the profession.

[Bjauck]

Bjauck it is a wonderful idea to get the kids to drink milk. But what do you think will happen to the cartons after the drink from them ? Would you like to be the teacher that has up to 35 five year old kids to look after and now has to clean, fold in a certain way and dispose of these cartons ? Yes they can not simply throw them in a rubbish bin.
This may sound insignificant but tell that to the teachers that have to do this, alongside their normal work of looking after all these kids and trying to teach them. Many of them completely out of control and the teacher not even allowed to grab them by the shoulder when they are upsetting the class room and often attacking or threatening other kids. The class room isn't the utopia that many on here seem to think it is in NZ today and the teachers continue to be lumped with all sorts of extra crap that has nothing to do with educating the kids. We simply can not continue to add all this extra stuff to schools without fully funding people to administer it.
I know teachers that have had a gutsfull of this and are leaving the profession.

Good point about the recycling aspect. In the old days, school milk came in glass bottles which were returned to the supplier. The empty cartons could be thrown into a bin for sorting out later if necessary. Like anything, there would be a trial period to see if the positives outweigh the negatives. Hungry kids are more difficult to control.

[Bjauck]

A wonderful glimpse in time before the devastation of rogernomics and ruthanasia to balance some numbers on a page.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BRnoIFC5I8

Look how well off we were (proper infrastructure, services etc).

Yikes. A good paternalistic publicity film from a generation prior to Rogernomics for visitors or potential (white and/or British?) immigrants to join NZers who as the BBC sounding presenter chimes are taller easy-going of mostly British stock. Conformity being a prerequisite? However infrastructure for the smaller population may have been fit for the purposes of 1959. It is not a documentary.

[iceman]

Good point about the recycling aspect. In the old days, school milk came in glass bottles which were returned to the supplier. The empty cartons could be thrown into a bin for sorting out later if necessary. Like anything, there would be a trial period to see if the positives outweigh the negatives. Hungry kids are more difficult to control.

I do assume you are aware of the Fonterra Free Milk in Schools program that ended in 2000 after a few years, blamed on COVID like most other things. It was a great initiative by Fonterra but the delivery and administration of it was the killer. How many trials do we need ?

"Throwing into the bin" like you suggest is a typical "kick the can down the road" response to all these do-gooder programs that make everyone feel better but either deliver very little benefit or become too difficult/expensive to implement, or both. Just like most of Labour's "kindness" in the last 6 years.

There have been numerous reasons put on here over the last few pages on the difficulty of this and questionable benefit of this and other similar programs, but those promoting it just say there are no valid arguments against it. It looks like quite an ideological difference between those that want such feel good programs as long as the Government pays for it and those that want value for every dollar spent by Government.