Nat/act/nzf 2023

[Daytr]

I think 'ass the sniff test' just became a new term

Yeah just saw that. 🤣
Mind you when referring to Balance it's most appropriate even if not deliberate.

[iceman]

I didn't see one good point from those opposed.
It's the parent's fault, is not a good point, its obvious, but it doesn't resolve anything and as you rightly point out it's not the kids fault and it ignores the fundamental issue of kids going hungry.

Anyway, all the best.

While I don't think the Government should be funding school lunches per se, I do accept that this may be helpful for some and probably inevitable that a lunch in school program is here to stay in some form.
What I have a problem with is the way providers have been selected for this program, where maori organisations get a preference. I also have a problem with the type of food being delivered, much of which ends up in the bin, even in low decile schools. I should note that there is a big difference in quality and suitability between providers and schools. I should also note that I am by no means saying maori organisations are doing a worse job. I am only saying race of providers shouldn't have any bearing on the selection of providers
I am not basing that on any hearsay, rather it is fact based on evidence such as photos and comments from my wife who teaches in low decile primary schools. It is very sad to see all this food being scrapped or ending up in places they were not intended for.

Another thing seldom discussed is the fact that when this was introduced, no funding for administering it was provided. The teachers and teacher aids were just expected to spend time on this and can you imagine the time it takes to feed 30-35 kids per class room and then clean up and sort all the rubbish left over and dispose of it ? The enormous time this takes, reduces the time the teachers actually have to teach these kids in the class room, which believe you me, is much needed. For many of them the school is the only learning environment and life guidance they ever experience.

I am 100% in favour of the program being reviewed to seek more efficiency and better results.

[nztx]

Cooking Lessons for Parents at School, followed by a term of doing lunches at School for them to be certified as able to make their kids School lunches would be a good scheme ..

Any guesses on how the enrollments & attendances on this scheme would likely go ?

Who knows they might learn something new .. that is those who show up, or aren't too busy with other things like trying to extend the free State meal ticket by another decade or so

[Daytr]

While I don't think the Government should be funding school lunches per se, I do accept that this may be helpful for some and probably inevitable that a lunch in school program is here to stay in some form.
What I have a problem with is the way providers have been selected for this program, where maori organisations get a preference. I also have a problem with the type of food being delivered, much of which ends up in the bin, even in low decile schools. I should note that there is a big difference in quality and suitability between providers and schools. I should also note that I am by no means saying maori organisations are doing a worse job. I am only saying race of providers shouldn't have any bearing on the selection of providers
I am not basing that on any hearsay, rather it is fact based on evidence such as photos and comments from my wife who teaches in low decile primary schools. It is very sad to see all this food being scrapped or ending up in places they were not intended for.

Another thing seldom discussed is the fact that when this was introduced, no funding for administering it was provided. The teachers and teacher aids were just expected to spend time on this and can you imagine the time it takes to feed 30-35 kids per class room and then clean up and sort all the rubbish left over and dispose of it ? The enormous time this takes, reduces the time the teachers actually have to teach these kids in the class room, which believe you me, is much needed. For many of them the school is the only learning environment and life guidance they ever experience.

I am 100% in favour of the program being reviewed to seek more efficiency and better results.

There's not much I would disagree with there. One of my friends is a teacher at a school that has the lunches and we have spoken about it may times. Never a mention of preferred Māori providers and this school roll is majority Māori. There is a lot of waste though.
Anyway, I am sure efficiencies can be made as you say.

[Daytr]

This sounds like a budget stuff up of the highest order.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ASVEFS5R3HX6M/

[mistaTea]

This sounds like a budget stuff up of the highest order.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ASVEFS5R3HX6M/

Yea for a long time I have thought that the clawbacks of WFF are too savage and end up being a disincentive to do more work or go for take on more responsibility with promotions that will put you over the threshold.

The abatements should be smoother so people are always still much better off by working/earning more.

[Getty]

If the State doesn't fund, kids go hungry.
It's that simple, black & white, no debate is required to know there are only two outcomes.
And wagging of fingers isn't going to make a jot of difference.

I see.
So the big stick of the state will be used to extort tax from the good parents who feed their children, to hand over to those that don't.

What a cop out.

What say the big stick is used to decrease the benefits of parents who are on one, by the value of the school lunches consumed by their children, and increase tax on working parents who don't feed their kids by the same amount.

Anyone think this would send a better signal to parents to care for their family first, rather than squander on selfish bad choices?

It's like food banks.

They give away free food and suddenly there is more demand for them.

What a surprise.
Who would of thought?

No doubt the socialists will opt for anything that increases state dependence, with the likes of school lunches.

[Getty]

Time for a new set of TV ads.

Instead of that anal ad;
You can poo it!
It's time for;
You can screw it, but you pay for the result, not the state!

[Panda-NZ-]

I see.
So the big stick of the state will be used to extort tax from the good parents who feed their children, to hand over to those that don't.

So divisive.. we're all in this together, friend.

The meals are being given to the kids not the parents.

[Getty]

So divisive.. we're all in this together, friend.


The meals are being given to the kids not the parents.

No very cohesive actually.
To get All parents to feed their own kids.

Remember mankind's 2 most basic needs are food and shelter, not booze and drugs.

Otherwise prepare for NZs introduction at the Olympics.
Here comes NZ, the nation where parents don't even feed their own children.

Shame!!!