Matters that National will fix.

Three waters.
N Z Police.
AUT mess.
Nursing problems.
Hospital waiting lists.
Ram raids.
Doctor and medical staff shortage.
RSE workers.
NZTA.
School teacher shortage.
Covid lock down.
Housing shortages.
Justice department issues.
Three strikes legislation.
Mid wives dissatisfaction
ACC.
Maorification of N Z .
Honesty.
Worker shortage .
Immigration service
Fart tax.
N Z Fire Service.

Many more , please add !

Is there anything that truthful posters can say that labor has achieved ?

Co-Governance.

The national leader's election (not allowing members a vote).

The fix is in.

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Three waters.
N Z Police.
AUT mess.
Nursing problems.
Hospital waiting lists.
Ram raids.
Doctor and medical staff shortage.
RSE workers.
NZTA.
School teacher shortage.
Covid lock down.
Housing shortages.
Justice department issues.
Three strikes legislation.

Many more , please add !

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You should say will try to fix and you should qualify by saying if they become the next government.

Opening the borders, and addressing the housing shortage are mutually exclusive esp under a National govt.

I don't think anyone should care about staff shortages when the average NZer is doing well.

Unless it's to do with exports or healthcare.

Plus there are plenty of fakers around..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...or-months.html

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I don't think anyone should care about staff shortages when the average NZer is doing well.

Unless it's to do with exports or healthcare.

Plus there are plenty of fakers around..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...or-months.html

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And herein is the difference between Labour and National. Labour's goal seems to be to destroy whole industries and eliminate private small business ownership. They're doing a good job of it.
National on the other hand supports it and understands its importance to our economy.

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Opening the borders, and addressing the housing shortage are mutually exclusive esp under a National govt.

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Labour's policies now seem to be to facilitate an exodus of people from NZ to free up houses that the Government can then pay for and use for emergency housing. A stroke of genius.

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Originally Posted by whatsup

Three waters.
N Z Police.
AUT mess.
Nursing problems.
Hospital waiting lists.
Ram raids.
Doctor and medical staff shortage.
RSE workers.
NZTA.
School teacher shortage.
Covid lock down.
Housing shortages.
Justice department issues.
Three strikes legislation.

Many more , please add !

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How? Tell us National's specific policies to 'fix' all these things, or is this just another airy fairy Hallmark card ?

The estimated cost of fixing NZ's water infrastructure is $185 Billion, just to maintain critical services. Wouldn't you want that debt/cost spread over all taxpayers rather than just the ratepayers?
National reduced the Police budget & closed many community stations, including the terrible decision to close the Fort Street station in Downtown Auckland city.
Nursing problems can be solved by further raising their pay (more than Labour already has) but that means higher taxes.
National put a lid on the Health budget for 9 years, effectively meaning it went backwards all while hospitals were having to put off maintenance & repairs & the population grew by another million or so people.
Labour has given the Health budget the biggest increase in funding of any govt. We now have funding for Cancer drugs which were not previously funded under National.
If you get Cancer, you are a hell of a lot better off under this govt than you were under National & that's a fact.
Do you have any idea 161,000 homes have been built since Labour came to office, over 41,000 homes in the year to June 2022, under this Labour govt 20,000 more homes built in 5 years, than in 9 years under National.
It's been a seismic shift, by far the largest addition to housing stock going back to 1991
Kiwibank estimates we will have housing surplus in less than 12 months.

Sure there's problems, but since National lost all their decent MP's & just left with an inexperienced 1st term MP as leader & few who have had any ministerial experience, and no new policies, and half of the caucus seriously hate the other half, & people like Luxon, Simeon Brown & Chris Bishop are flirting with extremists like the Freedom Party which must make Hipango & a few others happy, & they are so unrepresentative of culturally diverse NZ & no one really knows what they stand for, etc etc they are not ready for government.

Well said!

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How? Tell us National's specific policies to 'fix' all these things, or is this just another airy fairy Hallmark card ?

The estimated cost of fixing NZ's water infrastructure is $185 Billion, just to maintain critical services. Wouldn't you want that debt/cost spread over all taxpayers rather than just the ratepayers?
National reduced the Police budget & closed many community stations, including the terrible decision to close the Fort Street station in Downtown Auckland city.
Nursing problems can be solved by further raising their pay (more than Labour already has) but that means higher taxes.
National put a lid on the Health budget for 9 years, effectively meaning it went backwards all while hospitals were having to put off maintenance & repairs & the population grew by another million or so people.
Labour has given the Health budget the biggest increase in funding of any govt. We now have funding for Cancer drugs which were not previously funded under National.
If you get Cancer, you are a hell of a lot better off under this govt than you were under National & that's a fact.
Do you have any idea 161,000 homes have been built since Labour came to office, over 41,000 homes in the year to June 2022, under this Labour govt 20,000 more homes built in 5 years, than in 9 years under National.
It's been a seismic shift, by far the largest addition to housing stock going back to 1991
Kiwibank estimates we will have housing surplus in less than 12 months.

Sure there's problems, but since National lost all their decent MP's & just left with an inexperienced 1st term MP as leader & few who have had any ministerial experience, and no new policies, and half of the caucus seriously hate the other half, & people like Luxon, Simeon Brown & Chris Bishop are flirting with extremists like the Freedom Party which must make Hipango & a few others happy, & they are so unrepresentative of culturally diverse NZ & no one really knows what they stand for, etc etc they are not ready for government.

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Well said!

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Well said indeed!

Ram raids - up 400%

Children sleeping in cars and tents - up 300%

Houses built - 1,300 of 35,000 promised (less than 4%)

Net sum total of Ardern's promises summarized above.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=500w

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How? Tell us National's specific policies to 'fix' all these things, or is this just another airy fairy Hallmark card ?

The estimated cost of fixing NZ's water infrastructure is $185 Billion, just to maintain critical services. Wouldn't you want that debt/cost spread over all taxpayers rather than just the ratepayers?

National reduced the Police budget & closed many community stations, including the terrible decision to close the Fort Street station in Downtown Auckland city.

Nursing problems can be solved by further raising their pay (more than Labour already has) but that means higher taxes.

National put a lid on the Health budget for 9 years, effectively meaning it went backwards all while hospitals were having to put off maintenance & repairs & the population grew by another million or so people.

Labour has given the Health budget the biggest increase in funding of any govt. We now have funding for Cancer drugs which were not previously funded under National.

If you get Cancer, you are a hell of a lot better off under this govt than you were under National & that's a fact.


Do you have any idea 161,000 homes have been built since Labour came to office, over 41,000 homes in the year to June 2022, under this Labour govt 20,000 more homes built in 5 years, than in 9 years under National.
It's been a seismic shift, by far the largest addition to housing stock going back to 1991

Kiwibank estimates we will have housing surplus in less than 12 months.

Sure there's problems, but since National lost all their decent MP's & just left with an inexperienced 1st term MP as leader & few who have had any ministerial experience, and no new policies, and half of the caucus seriously hate the other half, & people like Luxon, Simeon Brown & Chris Bishop are flirting with extremists like the Freedom Party which must make Hipango & a few others happy, & they are so unrepresentative of culturally diverse NZ & no one really knows what they stand for, etc etc they are not ready for government.

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Great post , thank you!
National want to make the rich richer, cant change their spots. Divide and Conquer.

Garbage as usual from BS.

Complete and utter hogwash from the indoctrinated Ardern brainwashed brigade.

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How? Tell us National's specific policies to 'fix' all these things, or is this just another airy fairy Hallmark card ?

The estimated cost of fixing NZ's water infrastructure is $185 Billion, just to maintain critical services. Wouldn't you want that debt/cost spread over all taxpayers rather than just the ratepayers?
National reduced the Police budget & closed many community stations, including the terrible decision to close the Fort Street station in Downtown Auckland city.
Nursing problems can be solved by further raising their pay (more than Labour already has) but that means higher taxes.
National put a lid on the Health budget for 9 years, effectively meaning it went backwards all while hospitals were having to put off maintenance & repairs & the population grew by another million or so people.
Labour has given the Health budget the biggest increase in funding of any govt. We now have funding for Cancer drugs which were not previously funded under National.
If you get Cancer, you are a hell of a lot better off under this govt than you were under National & that's a fact.
Do you have any idea 161,000 homes have been built since Labour came to office, over 41,000 homes in the year to June 2022, under this Labour govt 20,000 more homes built in 5 years, than in 9 years under National.
It's been a seismic shift, by far the largest addition to housing stock going back to 1991
Kiwibank estimates we will have housing surplus in less than 12 months.

Sure there's problems, but since National lost all their decent MP's & just left with an inexperienced 1st term MP as leader & few who have had any ministerial experience, and no new policies, and half of the caucus seriously hate the other half, & people like Luxon, Simeon Brown & Chris Bishop are flirting with extremists like the Freedom Party which must make Hipango & a few others happy, & they are so unrepresentative of culturally diverse NZ & no one really knows what they stand for, etc etc they are not ready for government.

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Garbage as usual from BS.

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Great post , thank you!
National want to make the rich richer, cant change their spots. Divide and Conquer.

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What total crap. Is that all you can come up with? That is about as accurate as saying Labour is for the workers.

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Garbage as usual from BS.

Complete and utter hogwash from the indoctrinated Ardern brainwashed brigade.

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Changing the colour of govt from red to blue is not a plan.

Except that's what they're selling by not talking about a single policy except how bad everything is (its not).

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Sure there's problems, but since National lost all their decent MP's & just left with an inexperienced 1st term MP as leader & few who have had any ministerial experience, and no new policies, and half of the caucus seriously hate the other half, & no one really knows what they stand for, etc etc they are not ready for government.

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Almost a carbon copy of what news sources were saying about Labour before election 5 years ago,

The difference was Labour had no decent MP;s to lose.

Jacinda was thrown into leadership in the run up to the election, when she didn't even want the job.

On election night results did not expect to be government.

Later, when National would not compromise on their principles, Winston sprung a surprise that Jacinda herself did not know, until the public announcement was made on TV, that Labour would be his coalition partner.

So in comes a ragtag group of supposed diversity.

Can anyone name any good ministers from that group, and what they have achieved, that otherwise would not have happened anyway?

Apart from anything else, Dr Sharma has shown that diversity is not necessarily a good fit with Labour, just shut up and hide in the corner, and we will wheel you out to stand behind the PM & nod when she's on TV talking about something that may affect the Asian community.

Charades anyone?

Now's good!

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Changing the colour of govt from red to blue is not a plan.

Except that's what they're selling by not talking about a single policy except how bad everything is (its not).

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Correct under National the rich will get richer everyone else poorer financially and culturally. Never a more divided nation there will be.
Now wait for the wrong white selfish usual suspects on here to defend their entrenched me,me,me positions.......

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Great post , thank you!
National want to make the rich richer, cant change their spots. Divide and Conquer.

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Josh..., so tell me how much do you have to earn to be called rich, even ma$$ot Ducky couldnt give an answer to that question so can you ?

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Almost a carbon copy of what news sources were saying about Labour before election 5 years ago,

The difference was Labour had no decent MP;s to lose.

Jacinda was thrown into leadership in the run up to the election, when she didn't even want the job.

On election night results did not expect to be government.

Later, when National would not compromise on their principles, Winston sprung a surprise that Jacinda herself did not know, until the public announcement was made on TV, that Labour would be his coalition partner.

So in comes a ragtag group of supposed diversity.

Can anyone name any good ministers from that group, and what they have achieved, that otherwise would not have happened anyway?

Apart from anything else, Dr Sharma has shown that diversity is not necessarily a good fit with Labour, just shut up and hide in the corner, and we will wheel you out to stand behind the PM & nod when she's on TV talking about something that may affect the Asian community.

Charades anyone?

Now's good!

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Post 2017 election it was all on and Labour would have been well prepared for government after all they were in coalition talks for some weeks with NZ First - that’s MMP for you National seem to forget that sometimes.

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Post 2017 election it was all on and Labour would have been well prepared for government after all they were in coalition talks for some weeks with NZ First - that’s MMP for you National seem to forget that sometimes.

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They come in half asleep, and some of them still haven't woken up, but they are woke.

BTW I'm a swinging voter.

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Post 2017 election it was all on and Labour would have been well prepared for government after all they were in coalition talks for some weeks with NZ First - that’s MMP for you National seem to forget that sometimes.

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So tim when you are a man and have produced children some of whom could be women, would you want to have Winny as a son in law ?

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Originally Posted by whatsup

Three waters.
N Z Police.
AUT mess.
Nursing problems.
Hospital waiting lists.
Ram raids.
Doctor and medical staff shortage.
RSE workers.
NZTA.
School teacher shortage.
Covid lock down.
Housing shortages.
Justice department issues.
Three strikes legislation.
Mid wives dissatisfaction

Many more , please add !

Is there anything that truthful posters can say that labor has achieved ?

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Fire fighters

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So tim when you are a man and have produced children some of whom could be women, would you want to have Winny as a son in law ?

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You shouldn’t drink and post as that makes no sense.😀

Holding spin mistress Ardern & her deceitful & sneaky team to account :

https://www.facebook.com/10005058867...ibextid=wxGVb6

Well done, Nicola Willis!

Did anyone see the anger and wrought that was on the face of the red witch when she was doing the GST backflip in parliament yesterday , she was fuming and in rage with this cock up, yes she says be kind but does that apply to her ?

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Did anyone see the anger and wrought that was on the face of the red witch when she was doing the GST backflip in parliament yesterday , she was fuming and in rage with this cock up, yes she says be kind but does that apply to her ?

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She should have gone to Specsavers!!

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She should have gone to Specsavers!!

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Why is she blind , as well ?

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Why is she blind , as well ?

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and silly.

She's very short sighted.

I suppose that comes, with turning a blind eye to the circus she leads.

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Fire fighters

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My take: as well as GST on Kiwisaver Fees. Other Potential Mistakes/ Blunders

(1) Forceful move of default Conservative KiwiSavers from Conservative to Balanced by Dr David Parker. As recently as last Thursday Dr Parker was proclaiming the switch would make greatly increased wealth for the KiwiSavers.
It may of course in time but to that point Balanced and Growth Funds were all were down 3% to 6% compared to the Conservative/Cash funds since the switch.

(2) The under the radar gathering of data on NZ Family Trusts holdings using the IRD and the IR6 Trust Returns new requirements. ????? What is the motive. Is this fishing for data for future moves maybe similar to GST on Kiwisaver fees to replace the money some are saying the Government is clearly currently overspending. Should IRD be used for this? Or is it non political?

What do you think?

Hopefully they'll cleaan up the crime rate.

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My take: as well as GST on Kiwisaver Fees. Other Potential Mistakes/ Blunders

(1) Forceful move of default Conservative KiwiSavers from Conservative to Balanced by Dr David Parker. As recently as last Thursday Dr Parker was proclaiming the switch would make greatly increased wealth for the KiwiSavers.
It may of course in time but to that point Balanced and Growth Funds were all were down 3% to 6% compared to the Conservative/Cash funds since the switch.

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Bonds were hammered after corona and cash has made a return below inflation since 2008.

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How? Tell us National's specific policies to 'fix' all these things, or is this just another airy fairy Hallmark card ?

The estimated cost of fixing NZ's water infrastructure is $185 Billion, just to maintain critical services. Wouldn't you want that debt/cost spread over all taxpayers rather than just the ratepayers?
National reduced the Police budget & closed many community stations, including the terrible decision to close the Fort Street station in Downtown Auckland city.
Nursing problems can be solved by further raising their pay (more than Labour already has) but that means higher taxes.
National put a lid on the Health budget for 9 years, effectively meaning it went backwards all while hospitals were having to put off maintenance & repairs & the population grew by another million or so people.
Labour has given the Health budget the biggest increase in funding of any govt. We now have funding for Cancer drugs which were not previously funded under National.
If you get Cancer, you are a hell of a lot better off under this govt than you were under National & that's a fact.
Do you have any idea 161,000 homes have been built since Labour came to office, over 41,000 homes in the year to June 2022, under this Labour govt 20,000 more homes built in 5 years, than in 9 years under National.
It's been a seismic shift, by far the largest addition to housing stock going back to 1991
Kiwibank estimates we will have housing surplus in less than 12 months.

Sure there's problems, but since National lost all their decent MP's & just left with an inexperienced 1st term MP as leader & few who have had any ministerial experience, and no new policies, and half of the caucus seriously hate the other half, & people like Luxon, Simeon Brown & Chris Bishop are flirting with extremists like the Freedom Party which must make Hipango & a few others happy, & they are so unrepresentative of culturally diverse NZ & no one really knows what they stand for, etc etc they are not ready for government.

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Great Post, very specific. Better than the general waffle we tend to get.

Someone who appears to have done some research.

I like this Hedgeye cartoon

Uncle Sam Eagle (Fed) lays an egg with potential to blow up Bears and Sheltering Bulls

https://mcusercontent.com/178a9f99c9...d7d11ac537.png

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Well said!

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More political merry go round for you...

Rotorua, what a mess , homeless, gangs, drugs, motels earning $1,000,000 plus , social wellfare B S.!!

Honesty needs fixing BIG TIME !!!

You see here's the classic problem, I would love National to be able to fix the problems we are facing post Covid pandemic, but they're beyond hopeless, all the competent MP's have left plus several in disgrace, leaving a motly bunch who somehow got through the selection process.

Watch the interview, this train wreck interview in 2020 with National's Housing spokesperson at that time Jaquie Dean (currently Conservation)

Even just yesterday Luxon said it was rubbish National had sold off too many state houses, categorically contradicting his Deputy Nicola Willis who's said National did sell off too many State Houses when in govt.

Watch the interview, its eye opening.

(The current National spokesperson on Housing is Chris Bishop, the pre politics - ex lobbyist for Big Tobacco who actively denied there was a link between smoking & cancer, pushed back against all Labours policies to reduce smoking, all while 5000 people year were still dying ghastly deaths from smoking & others lose their sight, amputations of limbs, & carcinomas of the mouth & tongue. )


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...-in-power.html

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You see here's the classic problem, I would love National to be able to fix the problems we are facing post Covid pandemic, but they're beyond hopeless, all the competent MP's have left plus several in disgrace, leaving a motly bunch who somehow got through the selection process.

Watch the interview, this train wreck interview this morning with National's Housing spokesperson Jaquie Dean.

They went to Nationals Housing Spokesperson to clarify things because yesterday Luxon said it was rubbish National had sold off too many state houses, categorically contradicting his Deputy Nicola Willis who's said National did sell off too many State Houses when in govt.

Watch the interview, its eye opening! This is the best they've got?


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...-in-power.html

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Better than clueless and deceitful Ardern & her mob of incompetent nincompoops any time.

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Better than clueless and deceitful Ardern & her mob of incompetent nincompoops any time.

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Sorry Balance, I realised straight after posting, that interview with National's Housing Spokesperson Jaquie Dean was in 2020 & edited to show that.
However, that difference doesn't make any material impact on the point I was making, lack of talent in National caucus now.
How on earth could Judith Collins appoint her to be Housing Spokesperson, let alone get through the selection process & become a National MP?
If National win, she could be a Minister!

You have Paul Goldsmith ready to tackle crime issues and Gerry Brownlee to get to work on improving our relationships ..

Poto Williams,

Phil Twyford,

Kris Faafoi,

Clare Curran,

David Clark,

Kelvin Davis,

Andrew Little,

U turn David Parker

But just a few of the shining lights of the huge talent pool in Labour!

LOL - what a freaking joke!

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Poto Williams,

Phil Twyford,

Kris Faafoi,

Clare Curran,

David Clark,

Kelvin Davis,

Andrew Little,

U turn David Parker

But just a few of the shining lights of the huge talent pool in Labour!

LOL - what a freaking joke!

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Red Witch !

What about Mahuta, Nash and while he is still there Mallard?

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What about Mahuta, Nash and while he is still there Mallard?

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Poto Williams,

Phil Twyford,

Kris Faafoi,

Clare Curran,

David Clark,

Kelvin Davis,

Andrew Little,

U turn David Parker

Mahuta

Nash

Mallard

Lees Galloway

Quite a list of incompetent nincompoops!

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Red Witch !

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The right is always wrong.

westerly

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The right is always wrong.

westerly

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Well it is impossible for the left to be right.

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The right is always wrong.

westerly

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Westerly = copy cat , its, " the left is a lie " get it right !

No Pee or Willie on that list, a cock up perhaps?

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Westerly = copy cat , its, " the left is a lie " get it right !

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Copycat, lol It is just a reply to your often repeated slogan.
Red Witch is a typical personal derogatory remark made by those with little of value to add to the discussion.

westerly

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Copycat, lol It is just a reply to your often repeated slogan.
Red Witch is a typical personal derogatory remark made by those with little of value to add to the discussion.

westerly

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Westerly, she cannot help being a Red Witch, IMHO she was born that way !

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Yup - just like clueless Ardern & her useless mob.

The construction of the huge purpose built MIQ facility on the outskirts of Auckland, National wanted built, would be finished & ready to operate about now.
oops !

https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/02/20/n...nds-outskirts/

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The construction of the huge purpose built MIQ facility on the outskirts of Auckland, National wanted built, would be finished & ready to operate about now.
oops !

https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/02/20/n...nds-outskirts/

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And that’s the huge difference between forward planning and Ardern’s clueless planning & non existent execution.

She cannot even give our free monies without screwing up big time.

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And that’s the huge difference between forward planning and Ardern’s clueless planning & non existent execution.

She cannot even give our free monies without screwing up big time.

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National's plan to build a large purpose built Covid Quarantine facility was rejected by MBIE as unfeasible based on, how long the facility would be needed for & whether the benefits would justify the enormous cost.
Fortunately the govt didn't & if they had it would just be opening about today when all Covid restrictions have been dropped.

A big white elephant, total waste of money & resources & would have diverted construction away from housing & other infrastructure projects.
If that shows the huge difference in forward planning between National & Labour, then it doesn't show National in a very good light!

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National's plan to build a large purpose built Covid Quarantine facility was rejected by MBIE as unfeasible based on, how long the facility would be needed for & whether the benefits would justify the enormous cost.
Fortunately the govt didn't & if they had it would just be opening about today when all Covid restrictions have been dropped.

A big white elephant, total waste of money & resources & would have diverted construction away from housing & other infrastructure projects.
If that shows the huge difference in forward planning between National & Labour, then it doesn't show National in a very good light!

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It would not cost that much vs the billions of dollars lost by Aucklanders and NZers by Ardern’s dumb lockdowns because of her screw ups and lack of forward planning.

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National's plan to build a large purpose built Covid Quarantine facility was rejected by MBIE as unfeasible based on, how long the facility would be needed for & whether the benefits would justify the enormous cost.
Fortunately the govt didn't & if they had it would just be opening about today when all Covid restrictions have been dropped.

A big white elephant, total waste of money & resources & would have diverted construction away from housing & other infrastructure projects.
If that shows the huge difference in forward planning between National & Labour, then it doesn't show National in a very good light!

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Just like National with the superannuation issues.

No kiwisaver raises (but cuts), no super fund, no pushing for SCV's to get the federal Aussie instead of NZ pension.

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Just like National with the superannuation issues.

No kiwisaver raises (but cuts), no super fund, no pushing for SCV's to get the federal Aussie instead of NZ pension.

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Panda, If you knew the real reasons that the Labour sponsored fund was scrapped you would do the same !

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And that’s the huge difference between forward planning and Ardern’s clueless planning & non existent execution.

She cannot even give our free monies without screwing up big time.

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It would have given you something else to moan about - how they wasted money building a purpose-built quarantine facility that is finished just as it isn't needed.
Of course, building it in Auckland would have been a clever move - in the biggest city where all the workers would carry whatever plague it was used for back into the community.
National really didn't think that one through - thank goodness we have a Govt that can join the dots!

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Originally Posted by whatsup

Three waters.
N Z Police.
AUT mess.
Nursing problems.
Hospital waiting lists.
Ram raids.
Doctor and medical staff shortage.
RSE workers.
NZTA.
School teacher shortage.
Covid lock down.
Housing shortages.
Justice department issues.
Three strikes legislation.
Mid wives dissatisfaction

Many more , please add !

Is there anything that truthful posters can say that labor has achieved ?

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Stop the approx 1500 consultants reports that Labour govt has ordered because there is no one in the govt competent enough to research the subject themselves, I wonder how many of them are read and understood by the ordering govt ?

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- thank goodness we have a Govt that can join the dots!

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Do you honestly believe that? They are a bunch of headless chooks.

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Do you honestly believe that? They are a bunch of headless chooks.

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Not just a bunch of headless chooks but a bunch of lying hypocritical crooks - making huge promises (& failing to deliver on them by huge margins) to get into power to divide and rule NZers.

Just look at housing and Rotorua - takes an especially useless government to turn a problem into a total disaster .

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Three waters.
N Z Police.
AUT mess.
Nursing problems.
Hospital waiting lists.
Ram raids.
Doctor and medical staff shortage.
RSE workers.
NZTA.
School teacher shortage.
Covid lock down.
Housing shortages.
Justice department issues.
Three strikes legislation.
Mid wives dissatisfaction

Many more , please add !

Is there anything that truthful posters can say that labor has achieved ?

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Prisons,
Weak judges give pathetic prison sentences.

And what about the futile expensive exercise in taking firearms off those who are no threat to others but leaving them with the criminals.

Haha you've got to laugh, Luxon delaying releasing his decision (not the QC's Report though) on the Sam Uffindal scandal on the day of wall to wall coverage of the Queens funeral.
Nice timing even if it looks just a wee bit cynical!

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Haha you've got to laugh, Luxon delaying releasing his decision (not the QC's Report though) on the Sam Uffindal scandal on the day of wall to wall coverage of the Queens funeral.
Nice timing even if it looks just a wee bit cynical!

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Maybe there is " nothing to see here " just like the Labour mantra ? !!

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Maybe there is " nothing to see here " just like the Labour mantra ? !!

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He's already admitted the incident where he & 2 others went into the 3rd form dorm & bashed the 3rd form boy asleep in bed & the expelling from King's College & the later suspension from St Paul's.
And we've seen the photos of the squalid flat with the womens knickers hung up along the hall wall on the coathanger like trophies.
Plus the testimony from the terrified female flatmate who escaped out the window, backed up by her father.
It's unforgivable, that sort of behaviour creates lasting damage to people, the rest of that young 3rd formers education at King's would have been affected by that. He would still carry the scars of that, & that poor young women, just shameful.
Don't try & diminish it, it was cruel, it was creepy, it was appalling behaviour.
He may have changed, may not be the same person now, but only a creep would say nothing to see here.

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Originally Posted by Blue Skies

He's already admitted the incident where he & 2 others went into the 3rd form dorm & bashed the 3rd form boy asleep in bed & the expelling from King's College & the later suspension from St Paul's.
And we've seen the photos of the squalid flat with the womens knickers hung up along the hall wall on the coathanger like trophies.
Plus the testimony from the terrified female flatmate who escaped out the window, backed up by her father.
It's unforgivable, that sort of behaviour creates lasting damage to people, the rest of that young 3rd formers education at King's would have been affected by that. He would still carry the scars of that, & that poor young women, just shameful.
Don't try & diminish it, it was cruel, it was creepy, it was appalling behaviour.
He may have changed, may not be the same person now, but only a creep would say nothing to see here.

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Nothing could be worse than Hipkins (a fully grown adult and government minister) leaking private information and feeding misinformation to incite abuse and odium against Charlotte Bellis, a pregnant woman whose only mistake was to challenge the pulpit of truth (lies).

Nasty piece of work - Hipkins. Ardern just as bad.

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Nothing could be worse than Hipkins (a fully grown adult and government minister) leaking private information and feeding misinformation to incite abuse and odium against Charlotte Bellis, a pregnant woman whose only mistake was to challenge the pulpit of truth (lies).

Nasty piece of work - Hipkins. Ardern just as bad.

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Never forget " The left is a lie " !!

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Originally Posted by Blue Skies

He's already admitted the incident where he & 2 others went into the 3rd form dorm & bashed the 3rd form boy asleep in bed & the expelling from King's College & the later suspension from St Paul's.
And we've seen the photos of the squalid flat with the womens knickers hung up along the hall wall on the coathanger like trophies.
Plus the testimony from the terrified female flatmate who escaped out the window, backed up by her father.
It's unforgivable, that sort of behaviour creates lasting damage to people, the rest of that young 3rd formers education at King's would have been affected by that. He would still carry the scars of that, & that poor young women, just shameful.
Don't try & diminish it, it was cruel, it was creepy, it was appalling behaviour.
He may have changed, may not be the same person now, but only a creep would say nothing to see here.

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The strange thing is that sam offers national nothing really (except more problems).

Such lengths they will go to in order to protect a lightweight.

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The strange thing is that sam offers national nothing really (except more problems).

Such lengths they will go to in order to protect a lightweight.

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Such lengths Ardern went through to avoid an inquiry on Sharma’s allegations and to cover up.

Sharma on Ardern.

Not worth wasting any time on. If he stands for Tauranga next year he won't win after all the allegations. I doubt he will have a high enough position on the list to get in that way. He will realise this before then and be gone burger.

Another blow to Ardern's 'Think Big' Centralization Policies - Mega Polytech lost its CFO 2 months after he joined.

So Te XXXX (whatever they call the dog) is without a CEO & CFO, but $110m way over budget and losing staff.


Te Pukenga - The National Polytech

"CEO gone, and now the CFO gone.

Just how many people does it take to walk before Chris Hipkins scratches his head long enough to work out it's not a good idea?"

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/edu...s-into-the-job

"Weeks after the resignation of its chief executive, Te Pūkenga has been dealt another blow as its chief financial officer has quit – months into the job.

National Party MP and tertiary education spokesperson Penny Simmonds said the latest resignation was “systematic” of an organisation that had “no idea how to manage its finances”.

“Te Pūkenga continues to be an embarrassment to a government with a wide agenda of centralisation.”

If in power, National would disestablish Te Pūkenga and give polytechnics back to their communities, she said.

Walker is not the first senior leader to walk away from the organisation soon after being appointed.

In April 2021, deputy chief executive Merran Davis resigned from her “dream job” after eight months. She was one of six deputies paid between $250,000 and $400,000 a year.

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Originally Posted by whatsup

Three waters.
N Z Police.
AUT mess.
Nursing problems.
Hospital waiting lists.
Ram raids.
Doctor and medical staff shortage.
RSE workers.
NZTA.
School teacher shortage.
Covid lock down.
Housing shortages.
Justice department issues.
Three strikes legislation.
Mid wives dissatisfaction

Many more , please add !

Is there anything that truthful posters can say that labor has achieved ?

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Government honesty !

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Originally Posted by whatsup

Three waters.
N Z Police.
AUT mess.
Nursing problems.
Hospital waiting lists.
Ram raids.
Doctor and medical staff shortage.
RSE workers.
NZTA.
School teacher shortage.
Covid lock down.
Housing shortages.
Justice department issues.
Three strikes legislation.
Mid wives dissatisfaction

Many more , please add !

Is there anything that truthful posters can say that labor has achieved ?

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ACC.
Maorification of N Z place names.

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Another blow to Ardern's 'Think Big' Centralization Policies - Mega Polytech lost its CFO 2 months after he joined.

So Te XXXX (whatever they call the dog) is without a CEO & CFO, but $110m way overbudget and losing staff.

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Te Puke, its enough to make anyone sick!

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Te Puke, its enough to make anyone sick!

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Isn't that where Luxon thought he was when he was actually in Hawaii? :t_up:

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Isn't that where Luxon thought he was when he was actually in Hawaii? :t_up:

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No - that’s where Ardern promised to build 1,000 Kiwibuild homes and delivered none.

Co governance!!! Luxon has blown a big chance to run with Act's vow to have a referendum on co governance.
Watch National's support move over to Act.

Be careful what you wish for.

Once you've had one referendum on something, it's not too big an ask to have another, and then another, and then. . .

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Be careful what you wish for.

Once you've had one referendum on something, it's not too big an ask to have another, and then another, and then. . .

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On reflection, you are right. Referendums can be manipulated and have been known to come up with crazy results.

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Originally Posted by whatsup

Three waters.
N Z Police.
AUT mess.
Nursing problems.
Hospital waiting lists.
Ram raids.
Doctor and medical staff shortage.
RSE workers.
NZTA.
School teacher shortage.
Covid lock down.
Housing shortages.
Justice department issues.
Three strikes legislation.
Mid wives dissatisfaction
ACC.
Maorification of N Z .
Honesty.
Worker shortage .
Immigration service
Fart tax.


Many more , please add !

Is there anything that truthful posters can say that labor has achieved ?

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Consultancy wastage/over use .

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Originally Posted by whatsup

Three waters.
N Z Police.
AUT mess.
Nursing problems.
Hospital waiting lists.
Ram raids.
Doctor and medical staff shortage.
RSE workers.
NZTA.
School teacher shortage.
Covid lock down.
Housing shortages.
Justice department issues.
Three strikes legislation.
Mid wives dissatisfaction
ACC.
Maorification of N Z .
Honesty.
Worker shortage .
Immigration service
Fart tax.
N Z Fire Service.

Many more , please add !

Is there anything that truthful posters can say that labor has achieved ?

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Carbon tax and industry coming out of that unfairness towards farmers.

If you're worried about crime & think National will fix things, how can you ignore this!

While in government National froze the police budget for over 5 years to critical funding levels & closed down THIRTY police stations to save money.
6 or 7 years on, we are now seeing the results that.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...olice-stations

They also handed over some prisons to the UK private company Serco which was so poorly run that it became a taxpayer funded fight club.

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If you're worried about crime & think National will fix things, how can you ignore this!

While in government National froze the police budget for over 5 years to critical funding levels & closed down THIRTY police stations to save money.
6 or 7 years on, we are now seeing the results that.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...olice-stations

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Desperate stuff from Ardern & BS - to blame the previous government after 5 years in power for the explosive increase in crime.

Let's see how Ardern & Labour promoted crime in the last 5 years by being soft on crime :

1. Remember how concerned and frightened Aucklanders were told to ring crime stopper when they heard gun fire and shootings? Crimestopper! You cannot make the stuff up!

2. Then when the police wanted to be armed more often while patrolling well know crime areas like South Auckland, the reply was no as the police minister was more concerned about Labour’s voters there than the safety & effectiveness of the police.

“I’m not giving the them the time of day. I’m talking about the communities I represent - which is the Māori and Pacific communities - who told me loud and clear the general arming of police and especially the ARTs are a real concern to them.” Poto Williams, Police Minister

And don’t ever forget how this Ardern government prioritises anti-social & criminal elements over law abiding citizens :

3. No eviction policy of Housing NZ resulting in criminal activities of thuggery, victimisation and intimidation of other tenants and neighbours.

4. Ministers hobnobbing with Maori gangs, legitimising their criminal activities.

5. Handing over monies to gangs for all sort of activities, including for changing Tattoos from NZ to Aotearoa and for drug courses so they become better drug peddlers.

6. Police harassing law abiding citizens at pandemic roadblocks while closing both eyes and allowing convoys of gangs and thugs through.

7. Siding with prisoners rather than with prison officers - resulting in manning crises in prisons.

8. Reorganising Child Welfare agencies so that young criminals run riot out there with minimal supervision.

And don't forget Ardern's answer to ram raids by young thugs and criminals - $6m ram raid fund (yes, a miserly $6m vs $56m wasted on Auckland bike bridge & $30m 'cost of living' monies given to overseas recipients).

But months after the fund was promised, not a cent has been paid out to provide protection!

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/progr...emains-unspent

"But in an Official Information Act response, received on Thursday, prevention, innovation and change director Mere Wilson Tuala-Fata said: "No money has been paid out of this fund yet".

All talk and no action.

All spin and no delivery.

Labour & Ardern = Pro Crime & Soft on Crime

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If you're worried about crime & think National will fix things, how can you ignore this!

While in government National froze the police budget for over 5 years to critical funding levels & closed down THIRTY police stations to save money.
6 or 7 years on, we are now seeing the results that.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...olice-stations

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THIRTY!!!!!!

Now there's an emotive number of closures to talk about.

Or just a sensational headline?

Reading the listed closures one by one, most are just relocations, several still in the same street.

The Hastings example was not a police station at all, but an admin office, within 200 metres of the actual station, and courthouse.

Two Pike River offices were never meant to be permanent, or match the publics perception of what a police station is.

Kiosks were an aberration that presented inefficient use of resources and very limited open hours.

Nice touchy Feely headline, but genuine lament?

I don't think so.

Now, where have all those post offices gone?

Tikokino and Ongaonga are missing theirs.

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THIRTY!!!!!!

Now there's an emotive number of closures to talk about.

Or just a sensational headline?

Reading the listed closures one by one, most are just relocations, several still in the same street.

The Hastings example was not a police station at all, but an admin office, within 200 metres of the actual station, and courthouse.

Two Pike River offices were never meant to be permanent, or match the publics perception of what a police station is.

Kiosks were an aberration that presented inefficient use of resources and very limited open hours.

Nice touchy Feely headline, but genuine lament?

I don't think so.

Now, where have all those post offices gone?

Tikokino and Ongaonga are missing theirs.

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Nonsense, most are not relocations to the same street at all!
And 2 of the Stations, 1 in Christchurch & 1 in Greymouth were set up for Pike River enquiry & could have been kept but call it 28 instead of 30 if you really want.
Those stations closed in South Auckland & Downtown Auckland were so badly needed.
Stations, Kiosks, or admin offices all presented a highly visible police presence in the community which is no longer there.
Do you really think removing those police stations & Kiosks (a name for a Police Building that doesn't fulfil the exact criteria for being a full Police Station) from communities had no consequences?
The thing is with NZ's expanding population over the 9 years National were in govt, services have to expand just to keep up.
National used migration to prop up our economy while slashing in real terms investment in infrastructure & public services.

And I'm not saying Labour has got it right, but if you think National are the answer, how can you possibly ignore their past record on issues like policing.

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Nonsense, most are not relocations to the same street at all!
And 2 of the Stations, 1 in Christchurch & 1 in Greymouth were set up for Pike River enquiry & could have been kept but call it 28 instead of 30 if you really want.
Those stations closed in South Auckland & Downtown Auckland were so badly needed.
Stations, Kiosks, or admin offices all presented a highly visible police presence in the community which is no longer there.
Do you really think removing those police stations & Kiosks (a name for a Police Building that doesn't fulfil the exact criteria for being a full Police Station) from communities had no consequences?
The thing is with NZ's expanding population over the 9 years National were in govt, services have to expand just to keep up.
National used migration to prop up our economy while slashing in real terms investment in infrastructure & public services.

And I'm not saying Labour has got it right, but if you think National are the answer, how can you possibly ignore their past record on issues like policing.

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Please re read, and understand the difference between most and several.

Regardless, you present a perception that Police are a bricks and mortar organisation, rather than a mobile responsive one.

You like your cozzers having a cuppa at the office, rather than in the community?

They could learn from MP Anna Lorck, having street meetings.
No one can accuse her of hiding in an ivory tower.

Much Police time nowadays involves mental health cases, 2 constables being held up at the hospital for what seems to be a very long time while assessments are done on the patient.

Cop shops on every street corner doesn't help with that and other cases.

If assaulted, are you going to present your bloodied face to your 'local', or dial 111 and expect them to come to you?

Spend some time checking time and distance on Google on those relocations, and see if your concern is still valid.

Then, the acid test is whether Labour reopens them, and you want taxpayers to pay more.

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Originally Posted by Getty

Please re re read, and understand the difference between most and several.

Regardless, you present a perception that Police are a bricks and mortar organisation, rather than a mobile responsive one.

You like your cozzers having a cuppa at the office, rather than in the community?

They could learn from MP Anna Lorck, having street meetings.
No one can accuse her of hiding in an ivory tower.

Much Police time nowadays involves mental heath cases, 2 constables being held up at the hospital for what seems to be a very long time while assessments are done on the patient.

Cop shops on every street corner doesn't help with that and other cases.

If assaulted, are you going to present your bloodied face to your 'local', or dial 111 and expect them to come to you?

Spend some time checking time and distance on Google on those relocations, and see if your concern is still valid.

Then, the acid test is whether Labour reopens them, and you want taxpayers to pay more.

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Im sorry but we are not going to agree on this.
Think what you like but I'm sticking with the evidence backed research.
There's been considerable research into the detrimental effects on crime of closing down local community police stations.
The evidence is absolutely clear,

Local police infrastructure matters for crime outcomes.

Closing police stations results in increased car theft, burglary & assaults in those areas.

Closing police stations in local communities reduces deterrence due to a lower visibility of the local police.

Police Stations represent an important & visible aspect of the organisation, in other words they act as a strong deterrent to crime.


Looking at the list of closures, many areas of Auckland lost their local police stations with staff being relocated to existing stations miles away.
With no local police presence, there's no deterrent & the perpetrators of assaults & burglaries are long gone by the time our "highly mobile police" arrive at the scene.

I live in a wealthy part of Auckland where theres virtually no street crime & there's more than a few neighbours whose eyebrows are raised at the numbers of our 'highly mobile police' who congregate at our local cafe every day, waiting for a call to the next assault victim or shooting in miles away West or South Auckland.

Its a tough job and although the govt has recruited over 3,600 new police recruits, around 2,000 have left the police in the same period, so maybe they need a temporary break in a safe area where they can totally relax & know they're not going to be hassled or confronted by an obnoxious idiot.
But obviously it would be better if they were actually in those communities rather than miles away waiting for a 111 call to respond to.


Lots of research & evidence on this, e.g.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...cid=rss_sd_all

Thanks for providing a link which I will absorb when I have more time.

In the meantime, I can say that I did not notice Coddington House in Hastings being treated with reverence by crims, and in fact it copped its share of tagging.

For those that don't know, even a city the size of Napier does not have a manned Police reception area after hours, so may as well not be there, in terms of service delivery.
If you were to go there, a police car would come back from patrol to see you if 111 dispatch thought necessary.

Furthermore, if you were to be arrested, you would not be taken inside, but placed in the patrol car and driven to Hastings for your free nights accommodation.
19 km.
Not the mere 4.9km from the relocated Otara to Ormiston station some give as a reason for increased crime.

If the halfway point between those 2 is 2.45 km before they used to overlap, then if there was a police station every 2.45 km, would crime reduce?

I don't think so.

But if you compare the crime rate and distance between police stations in the South Island and South Auckland, it may say something about the demographic?