There were many treaties with various degrees of protection and administrative co-operation. For a start you should look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_protectorate
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There were many treaties with various degrees of protection and administrative co-operation. For a start you should look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_protectorate
Whatever happened to all the Maori protests when they screamed "The Treaty is a Fraud'?
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Nobody paid the gangs millions of $s to be good.
I think your comment about Pak n Save reflects your discomfort with people who don't look, dress and behave like you. I suspect that the fact that they are (probably) poorer also has something to do with it.
If you feel unsafe in Pak n Save, you should probably shop only at New World in affluent areas. You could also check out the % of old and beat up vehicles in the parking lot.
Garbage as usual from the poster.
davflaws - who believes only Maori culture matters and a person in NZ has no culture or heritage unless they are a Maori or embraces Maori culture.
https://www.times.co.nz/news/governm...ding-ban-bill/
The Government has voted down a bill sponsored by Pakuranga MP Simeon Brown that would have banned taxpayers’ money being given to gangs.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/mongrel_mob
" ..... the fund that gave a $2.75 million drug rehab contract to Mongrel Mob leaders is managed by just three Ministers, meaning the grant was signed off by the Prime Minister, the Minister of Finance, and Minister of Justice."
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However your point was “The British wouldn't have agreed to provide protection of the Realm to an island on the other side of the world, if that island didn't bend the knee to British sovereignty.” Clearly the British did often provide protection to those peoples who did not yield to British sovereignty.
It is certainly not clear what the signed Maori version of the Treaty did yield other than “kawanatanga”. It did not yield “rangitiratanga.’ Clearly around the World the British had various treaties with different leaders and peoples affording various rights and protections depending on circumstances.
Point taken, but I think it is clear what British expectations were, the treaty spells it out. And given that the British wrote the Maori version, it's a better than even bet it meant the same thing. If it didn't, or it was a con, rip it up, don't try and impose things that clearly weren't in either version.
If it was about me and my perceptions and comfort level, that hypothesis might be worth considering - but it isn't.
This discussion started in #8763 when Panda claimed NZ was among the 10 safest countries in the world and BDL replied that the statistics were "cherry picked". I invited him to produce some evidence that NZ was not one of the safest and he replied with some anecdotes about feeling unsafe.
As we drilled down, he made the comment about Pak n Save being like "Once Were Warriors", and I suggested (again) that this was about his perception of people who are different.
You are now trying to put this back on me , but the reality isn't best judged by my perception or yours, it is best judged by the objective evidence available.
Please feel free to produce some - perhaps we can progress a rational discussion.