Since it's a matter of public record, is there anything to stop someone getting the list and posting it on this thread once in a while? Would be of fairly wide interest among this group, I think.
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Since it's a matter of public record, is there anything to stop someone getting the list and posting it on this thread once in a while? Would be of fairly wide interest among this group, I think.
That's good to know, BC. I'm somewhat of a newbie here but I don't recall seeing such lists posted, and there could be some kind of caveat on posting them publicly rather than in response to a specific request from an individual who is interested. Possibly this section in the Privacy Act may have some application here:
Principle 3 Electronic transmission of personal information from register Personal information in a public register shall not be made available by means of electronic transmission, unless the purpose of the transmission is to make the information available to a member of the public who wishes to search the register.
The Privacy Commissioner is also able to issue rules/guidelines applying to specific holders of registry files.
An interesting contention, but one that should not be considered in isolation.Indeed, s 2 of the Privacy Act 1993 states that "public register has the meaning given to it in section 58."
'Postability'
Section 58 arguably extends to a shareholder register, owing to the further definition under that section: "public register means—(a) any register, roll, list, or other document maintained pursuant to a public register provision..."
However, even if we assume that a shareholder register is included, Principle 3 (that you quote from s 59) would be absurd unless it was intended to apply only to the agency who holds the information.
The reason I say this is because: why only include a prohibition on the electronic transmission of such information? To take it a bit further, it would be ok to use printed leaflets to distribute the information, notwithstanding the fact it is to the public?
Further, I think ss 60 & 62 appear to cure the contention that once you get the information that you're not allowed to post it to the forums:
Section 60 provides [emphasis added]:
So, in subsection (1) we can see that only an agency must reasonably comply with Principle 3. Meanwhile, only humans and organisations with a legal persona (companies, etc) must reasonably comply with Principle 2.Quote:
Application of information privacy principles and public register privacy principles to public registers
(1) Subject to subsection (3), the agency responsible for administering any public register shall, in administering that register, comply, so far as is reasonably practicable, with the information privacy principles and the public register privacy principles.
(2) Every person shall, so far as is reasonably practicable, comply with principle 2 of the public register privacy principles.
(3) Where any information privacy principle or any public register privacy principle is inconsistent with any provision of any enactment, then, for the purposes of this Part, that enactment shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, prevail.
Lastly, s 62 provides:
In conclusion, get it, post it, don't lose sleep over it.Quote:
Enforceability of principles
The public register privacy principles do not confer on any person any legal right that is enforceable in a court of law.
An agency may charge reasonable costs. Given that the information is all computerised, I would say the costs are de minimus and should be free. Just my view.
Costs
Principle 4
Charging for access to public register
Personal information shall be made available from a public register for no charge or for no more than a reasonable charge.
yeh I agree - its pretty crap.
This is the most interesting and worrying post I have seen in a while - from Roger (many thanks for sharing your personal experiences)
Im really unsure about how this is all going to pan out - im suspicious uptake maybe very very slow, yes great technology but there have been many great technologies in the past that have ended up floundering, my worry is that PEB commercialisation and adoption is not hitting the targets its meant to. I think anymore average news and the SP will bottem out - as this company is still making a loss and may not be making a profit for a long time.Quote:
Had my renal ultrasound yesterday and kidneys and bladder looked good. Cytology results are also back and is also good.
The Rat is starting to get more perky after these two positive results and is cautiously hopeful his cystoscopy scheduled for 31 July will also be good...so was pondering on the way home...as you do...
I specifically asked the question of the Waitemata DHB (in my complaint e.mail in late June as to lack of follow up action following my admission of 1 June for haematuria), whether they would fund a CX bladder test for me.
Their response, (from a DHB that was part of the pilot programme using the CX bladder test), was to send me for cytology, then renal ultrasound and then cystoscopy.
1. Hmmm, does that mean they aren't using the CX Bladder test at all as I would have thought a one-off presentation with Haematuria at the Waitemata DHB would have been a classic case for the use of CX Bladder ?
2. When the DHB registrar doctor called me about my compliant I asked again, whether the CX Bladder test was appropriate for my circumstances he said he's never heard of the CX Bladder test...WTF ?
3. As mentioned previously, my doctor also in the Waitemata zone has also never heard of it.
4. I am the accountant for a client who owns a large medical building in the Waitemata DHB area and have got to know one of the senior doctors there quite well so I thought I'd ring him yesterday.
By quite remarkable coincidence he'd had a haematuria himself last year so we have a good open and frank discussion about things. He was aware of the CX Bladder test, (a strong sense of relief flowed over me), but quickly went on too say you can't beat the established treatment methodology that's been prescribed too me, which is exactly the procedure he followed for himself.
If this is how it is in N.Z. in a DHB area that was part of the original pilot programme its difficult to draw any other conclusion that the company has a very steep uphill battle to gain widespread commercial use of this procedure, especially in a volume sufficient to generate considerable commercial success.
Based on the recommendations I've received from a number of health care professionals I'll be following the time honoured and long established method even if it is unpleasant to have a camera on a tube shoved up your dick.
This is not an attempt to dis the test procedure nor am I short PEB. Please DYOR and decide for yourself what weight, if any, to place on this feedback from the coal-face.
Disc, no longer a holder of this stock.;
Its going to be interesting where PEB is in 3 and 10 years time, and how much money they will need from shareholders between now and then.
Peter -There is a full report/analysis underneath all this. Just not released publicly yet. Prob need to get those who asked for it to be done to see it first
No worries though ....valuation will be in excess of $1.70 (or within cooee)
Anyway what you expect for free