Great isn't it. Good to see her fighting for what she believes in. I think she is a true patriot. She said last night that NZ is her home and she would not want to live elsewhere. Lets take back this country from the current lot of wreckers Judith.
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What about those in their own team though.
It is good to see that she believes.
I'm not sure what a patriot really is - are you saying that Jacinda isn't, or anyone else in Parliamant for that matter?
Seems to me a little bit poacher turned game keeper.
New National Party leader Judith Collins has 'learned from mistakes' and shedding dirty politics
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...dirty-politics
I don't think they can change that fast - dirty politics is in their DNA.
You really think so? You might be right but with respect sounds more like hope & bravado than based on evidence.
Jacinda Adern is an historic PM, 80% Plus approval for handling the current crisis, most liked & trusted PM in a century.
Judith Collins despised by some in her own caucus, previously rejected 3 times and last off the rank choice to lead her own party, which many political commentators say shows how unravelled National has become.
You really think the National caucus is unified behind Judith ? Might last 24 hours.
Going to be interesting for sure.
Sorry for Muller, he seemed a decent man.
She knows how all this politics/law stuff works inside out so will save the furniture for the Nats. If she does a decent job too maybe her colleagues will decide if she stays on. She did score some hits on Twyford in the media part of the role which is important for an opposition. :)
Looks as this though election will be The Young and the Restless ,verses The Old and the Dodgy....lol.
The competent people behind the scenes do the work and party doesn't matter as much I think.
Lol . Crushers mouldyoon tough tactics are long past their use by date and wont work for her now.Not forgetting her dirty politics tarnish as well. Good article from RNZ.
Why Collins' approach is a 'shame'
"There will be no softening of her combativeness, and the "Crusher Collins" persona will not be retired. Moments after being elected leader, she used the word "fight" repeatedly and actually said that National's aim was to "crush" the government.
That is a pity.
What the country needs at present is a constructive approach, not aggression and negativity."
she will probably keep it around to run on next time on the minor chance she will win haha.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political...versity-stance
Diversity be damned.
That’s how it should be - the best person for the job. Can always hire diversity to provide alternative views and other views.
I suppose the business experience doesn't matter that much anymore.
..and thank goodness. kennedy and obama had no business experience.
Yes agree Dr Reti a strong credible and capable choice. I’d be far happier to see him and Ashley running the COVID show than Mr no nothing about health from labour!
This is a fine example of the depth of talent National will draw from that will expose labour as the cheesy leader fronting everything with no substance backing her.
Labour has already conclusively proven they are incompetent in delivering with no depth of expertise or experience,
I think with Collins in charge, this obvious weakness in labour will be their soft spot that National can and legitimately will expose for all to see.
I think Ashley has done a good job so far though.
That was a quick response from the paid labour social media attack dog. You’re wrong, National pick the minister, not the director of health, and Ashley has proven himself … despite the inept labour ministerial oversight, now fired, replaced by a know nothing.
Muppet, your veneer is so thin we can see right through it
If you dwell in the past, however recent, you’ll miss the shift … what Collins says goes, stay alert, the game has changed. National is back and labour will be wise to reassess their chances when reflecting on a litany off failures to deliver any of their promises.
Hehe why waste time on a site with 4k members. :p
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12348318
Have a read, dobby41, and you are so far off beam with your comment that it can only point to one thing - the game has changed but Comrade Cindy & her bunch of incompetents have not.
Judith Collins drew a distinction between a possible bubble with the Cook Islands and forming one with Australia.
She said Australia had a "real problem", in reference to a new Covid-19 outbreak, and it was not safe to have a transtasman bubble.
"It's all about safety."
We are the best in the world though in all areas. pretty hard to argue with these results. :)
National should be working with the govt and it's disappointing they aren't but have chosen to go down a quite different route.
I haven’t read the young Nat script, what does it say? The coalition is a deflection from labour, the majority party, the point is that the government has delivered almost nothing promised and you excuse that, deflect and make that out to be something the opposition couldn’t do better. Transparent shill, outed here. You’ll be gone the minute the election is over, when your pay packet stops.
What no response from panda, it’s been a whole minute already!
Why be so bitter about things. It's strange and bad for ones' mental health. breathe in and practice some mindfulness. :)
Not bitter at all, mentally happy as well, in a great space. How about you?
Why didn’t you deny my accusation that you are a paid labour social media shill, instead you deflected? Telling.
Confront and overcome the challenge, deliver the promises you make or support, unlike your beloved labour who have delivered no manifesto policy outcomes, none.
Honestly if it wasn’t for a few really awful situations like the earthquake, the Muslim killings, the COVID pandemic ... that frankly JA has fronted very well, otherwise her government has failed to deliver pretty much anything at all.
The leader can only cover for the inept delivery for so long and coming into the election, labour are on the ropes with delivery. Fail.
Every policy in the coalition document has been delivered. for some reason you seem unable to take this in.
The rest of what you write are only slogans with no delivery in and of themselves.
List them then, for us who are ignorant; list every policy in the coalition document that has been delivered. It’s your duty as a paid party shill that has not denied your responsibility to defend the labour government. Earn your money. Honestly, we have no idea what your on about achieving anything.
I think the floundering should stop now under Collins. If they still had the NZ Spitting Image Show, I think her puppet would be a leather clad bikie*! She seems to have got a new spring in her step. It is a Good move to swap in Reti for Woodhouse. Reti seems a decent level-headed person and to have talked sense whenever I have seen him interviewed.
*A bit like Norman Tebbit from the UK version of spitting image
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGl6lHUbsg0
Yes what sort of outfit was Muller running. It was wierd to witness as an outsider. Collins is a capable operator.
I thought you were talking about National when you said they have a lack of skills, because the article was about National. But if you are talking about Labour that’s not what most New Zealanders think, and you are entitled to your minority viewpoint.
And do you think National needs a change of strategy, which was what the article was about?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...?objectid=1234
According to the poll, the Labour-led coalition retained a high rating of 7.3 out of 10, down slightly from May on 7.6, which was the highest rating since winning the 2017 election.
The Labour party was perceived most capable of handling 18 out of the 20 issues facing New Zealanders.
Reti is prime time, a class act. He and Ashley together would make this labour government floundering look like it is, amateurs defending our health and society. Ashley is doing this all by himself, god bless him, without a competent minister he is doing an amazing job. I only hope he has the steel to see this through, being abandoned by government expertise with a recently appointed no nothing minister in charge.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...alth-spokesman
Profile of Shane Reti - no ordinary Maori here and one whose outstanding credentials puts to shame all the other token Maori politicians in Labour, especially what’s his name minister of tourism.
So where’s the list of accomplishments then panda? It’s been well over five minutes and you haven’t replied!
Tell us you’re not a paid shill, confront this directly, be convincing, unlike your months of diatribe since Feb 20 when you began to regale us with the accomplishments (none) of the labour government.
What is National's record of delivery? They claim to be the ones with the plan and ready for government on day one.
Here is the coaliton agreement which you can tick off:
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1529499873
A coalition agreement is not a list of accomplishments.
I don't think I'll bother reading any more "posts" from that source.
It's not a political document.. it's a legal one lol
[QUOTE=Panda-NZ-;829586]What has he achieved in your view?
Muller had a good resume but floundered in a position of leadership.[/QUOTE .
Clearly you have no idea what Shane Reti has accomplished .
Time for you to do a bit of research .
Interesting article.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/15...who-was-there/
What Judith Collins can learn from the Jacinda Ardern miracle – from someone who was there.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/15...-think-she-is/
Collins’ rise in some ways reflects the ascension of Jacinda Ardern. As inexplicable as it seems now, Ardern was only handed the leadership as a last resort after Labour had exhausted an identikit succession of grey, middle-aged men, despite her high public profile and obvious appeal.
Similarly, it has taken the greatest leadership crisis in National’s modern history for the party’s MPs to reluctantly, eventually, land on their consistently best performer over a decade to lead them into the election.
Interesting article I think.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12348364Quote:
Woodhouse allegedly stopped by party leadership from making a statement on email scandal
Speaks to her political skills and leadership credentials so far I think.
And now Nikki Kaye going & leaving politics ?
Brownlie really?
National,what are you doing ???
Who will replace them?
People wondering where Collins buys her Tasty cheese from.
Finally they see reality.
The border can't open until it is safe to do so - that is Labours stance.
Labour has seperated out Aussie and Realm countries (Cooks and Nuie).
Sounds like Crusher is up with Labours plan.
Hopefully we won't see disingenuous 'let's open the border now' remarks from Nat when it isn't safe to do so.
A change from the 'economy is more important than everything' tripe you float around without any idea how that would be achieved without us becoming like Victoria.
Still believe that Aussie had the best approach? Vic (at least) is looking at the possibility of a full lockdown like our level 4.
https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...b639976f5cd0f8
Frightening, isn't it?
Just wondering whether "the Crusher" did her numbers? She clearly loves crushing more than analyzing, leading or counting.
Judith won't be able to increase the number of right wing votes for National (given they always had them anyway). She might however lose some of the more trigger happy elements of Nationals previous voter base to the new gun-lover party (aka ACT) and potentially Colin Craig's Zombie party ... they seem to be back as well.
Less votes on the right for Judith.
Nationals only chance to grow was to regain their base in the middle. Getting rid of any decent liberal politician in their rankes will hardly help with that.
Less votes from the middle for Judith. Ouch.
I am sure Judith is going to crush something, this is just who she is and what she does. Afraid however it will be the National support base. Lose-lose.
She is leader now though and that's what counts I think.
Crushing things and populist-style slogans such as 'we want to take our country back" are the easy bits!
I am not sure that tactic will be enough to win over enough voters here in NZ under our MMP system. It may have worked in the USA and the UK where Trump and the Conservative Party got into power with less than 50% of the popular vote.
Feel the fear of the Labourites now that the focus is going to shift away from Nationa's weak leadership (now strong leadership) to the HUGE promises made by Labour to win 38% of the vote in 2017 - but have NOT delivered?
Kiwibuild, anyone?
Nikki Kaye and Amy Adams quiting - they are losing some useful people here.
They are.Good people leaving a nest run by crusher queen rat who will not change her spots.Inform yourselves and read Dirty Politics by Nicky Hagar. Expect Trump like electioneering ahead albeit with a wicked humour.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOL. "C'mon Feel The Noise". Unbalanced keeps talking like full blown commie, a confused being there.:confused:
You are getting very confused about roles here.
Health Ministers and shadow spokesperson work with experts such as Bloomfield.
It does help if a Health Minister has Health experience and I feel confident shane could work well with Bloomfield
Calling Shane Reti a political Hack without adequate research about him is derogatory.
Shane has done good things for people and is well-regarded in Northland.
He has been to remote Maori communities and helped in many ways.
This is the first derogatory comment I have heard about him
Gerry Brownlee – who has been put in charge of Covid-19 recovery. Wasn't he in charge of the Christchurch rebuild?
Muller and Kaye muddied the National proposition for existing blue voters and didn't provide anything compelling to shift the fungible centre in their direction. This has resulted in a clearer and stronger mandate for Collins. Had she taken over from Bridges there'd have been plenty of commentators suggesting there were/are better alternatives... hard to make that argument now.
Regardless of the outcome in September, the clean out is a good thing. National need to reclaim their identity. Their attempt to gain the middle ground lacked any authenticity.
Collins is polarizing, but will be far more definitive and combative - you're either picking her or your not. There'll be alot less of the wishy-washy "I'll probably vote blue because I don't like red" at the pub. Whether that's a good thing, or not, remains to be seen.
Act and Seymour are doing a good job, but for what outcome? Voting for them is a longer term proposition. In the short term, all it does is increase their volume, not their influence.
Those voters largely focused on the economy will want to avoid a red or red/green government. Therefore, if National can't markedly improve it's polling results over the next couple of months to convince voters they actually have any chance of governing, Winston may well cruise back in. For the right this will likely be the lesser of two evils... Labour/Greens + NZF not doing anything is better than Labour or Labour/Greens doing something.
I would like to see results which are already being delivered for the most part.
I would prefer Dr Ashley Bloomfield for this.
Sure, but in my view the worst option of all. Not voting created the unbelievable mess both the UK and the US are currently in. Bad politicians and crooks are brought into power by good people who don't vote.
I am both conservative (in the sense of protecting good human values) and I feel that integrity in politics is crucial. I voted over the last couple of decades mainly for either National or ACT.
I never could vote for crooks like Trump, Johnson & Co, and I can't vote for a National party under Collins. ACT unfortunately dropped the ball as well by turning into the gun lover party. NRA light.
Disappointed by both National and ACT and not sure yet, whom to give my vote this time, but it won't be a party run by Judith Collins, and it won't be either a party putting the interest of gun owners over what really matters to humanity. Maybe time to pick a party which shares my values, instead of looking for the policies which might be short term the best for somebodies Cheque book?
His name is Dr Shane Reti .
I have known him for over 30 years but it would be a couple of years since I last spoke to him .
He is a very good Doctor and well-respected by colleagues and patients.
I know little about his politics-it is not a subject we have ever discussed.
You still do not seem to comprehend their different roles and it is not about who you prefer over another
The government has access to extensive medical advice and support currently. Why would they need a National party politician?
On the contrary - those who are not prepared to be part of the team are leaving. That’s what building up a united cohesive team is about.
And good on them for leaving - they have lives outside of politics and can see themselves doing other things.
Not like the bunch of incompetents with Comrade Cindy who have no option other than be in politics.
Kiwibuild, anyone?
Not a bad thing to have different points of view in forums, even political ones. I have wondered, though, what attracts posters to mainly the political on a share site, and conclude that members here are more than averagely influential. So a decent quality of debate is more likely than on say Twitter, and there is always the chance to sway opinions (and votes).
You're not really making sense now :\
No community cases and all of our cases are at the border (which is where national wants more to come in).
I understand. I voted for key twice and the other side was unsupportable during the phase of Cunliffe so gave my vote to Winnie to counter the asset sales agenda. Though they have upped their game and I'm of the view now they are better for the economy & society than National even if Key came back.
NZ super fund and kiwisaver were really good and positive policies, and financially sensible.
All of the people in isolation have been wearing masks so the risk is low.
Listen to epidemoligists and experts not news commentators. also it pays to watch international news sometimes to have some awareness of what is happening around NZ :)