Tactic of communists and leftists - Labour would have got their officers to stuff ballot boxes with fake votes if they could. And in a way, they have.
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The way they check is simply by checking that the person provided a valid address. So as long as Mick E Mouse provided a street address that is a real one, his vote is counted. How else to verify over half a million special votes….have tens of thousands of people going around the countryside door knocking checking if so & so lives there? Yup, utterly impractical, so only the most cursory of ‘checks’ are done.
They check in the same way any other potential voter is checked who may register at any time prior to election day (it is just done after they vote but the vote itself is ring-fenced).
Registering on election day doesn't reduce the accuracy of the electoral roll in any way.
Great opportunity from you (so predictable) to remind everyone what Ardern & Labour have been about for the last 6 years.:D
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I don't care what you call it, just put it in the right thread.
Dipsh1t.
This not looking good, a month since the election, 2 weeks since the election night results ratified, & today the first time the 3 leaders who will have to work together for the next 3 years get together in the same room for just 30 minutes !
Anybody would think they don't get on.
Chris Luxon must be sweating, wasn't supposed to be this way, been downhill since the highs of election night, missed APEC, humiliated by Winston, & now issues between the coalition parties being played out in the media.
If Chris Luxon can't form a govt, how long before the Gov' General asks Chris Hipkins if he can form a govt? :)
Don't get too excited & start kicking over the tables, will you :)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...y-seymour-says
Coalition deal getting 'closer by the day', Seymour says
It sounds like the Chips elsewhere are getting down to the burnt overbaked stage, only good for biffing ;)
And how exactly do they check that ? What World do you live in ? Nobody should be allowed to vote or register on election day without an ID.
I’d go further and say get away with the stupid idea of having to enrol. All citizens & permanent residents should be able to vote on producing a valid photo id
For the record :
2017 election
Held 23 Sept, final count 7 Oct (2 weeks later) and coalition government announced 19 Oct (12 days later).
And that's after Ardern sold her grandmother to secure Winston's support. Proceeded then to screw NZ over the next 5 years before she quit/forced out in 2023.
2023 election
Held 14 Oct, final count 3 Nov (3 weeks later).
And what have we on Nov 16? We have the woke leftist losers and media working themselves into a state of hypnotic frenzy that there's still no government!
But in the meantime, the process of reversing the woke leftist divisive and destructive policies of Ardern, Hipkins and the Maori cabal has already began :
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/scienc...J7H45YMROYJCQ/
"The implementation of a controversial new science curriculum that caused outrage for its lack of any mention of physics, chemistry or biology has come to a halt - both delighting and frustrating educators. Consultation on the draft new science curriculum, which caused uproar when an early version was leaked, has been put on hold for a second time, with the Ministry of Education waiting to “engage” with the new Government before it is sent out.
The National Party waded into the education debate during the election campaign, promising to “rewrite” the New Zealand school curriculum, meaning the controversial proposal may never see the light of day. Principals spoken to by the Herald said teachers were frustrated by the lack of certainty but pleased there was an opportunity to make improvements or start over."
I think there are quite a few others (than just the left) getting worked up that Luxon can't cobble a Govt together.
As for the time taken to produce a final outcome - it was known that it would add 10 days to the time it took to deliver an outcome. Some people here seem to be getting worked up over that - why?
Ask your one source of truth. :t_up:
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They were talking about a mini-budget before christmas.... broken promise? non- delivery?
No matter how bad the new government turns out to be, they will still be way better than Arden/hipkins motley crue.
G-Damn it .. surely it cant be a No Coalition ;)
Look here:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...JCA5UIUG4XKTU/
;)
And more happening to reverse the follies of Ardern, Hipkins and Labour - without the new incoming government needing to do anything :
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...document-shows
Shows just how bloated and inefficient government entities had become under Ardern, Hipkins and Labour.,
Matthew Hooton: Whatever happened to those Christopher Luxon negotiating skills.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...D55A7R2PTE4CU/
He's doing what he did at Air NZ- unfortunately for us.
Yawn.
The Matthew Hooton who worked with Todd Muller to stab Simon Bridges in the back & then, watched as his political pick imploded in less than 3 months. And then, resigned in a big hurry when the egg splattered all over his face before he was fired for his treacherous role.
Zero credibility.
Except when it comes to the ignoramus Labour peasant losers like panda-nz.
So where are the negotiating skills balance? Less mastery shown, more ineptitude.
You simply couldn't make this stuff up!
The chickens are coming home to roost for Labour and there will be plenty more revelations in the years ahead of the bullying which went on in Labour :
Remember how Ardern asserted there’s no bullying in Labour?
Well, the whistleblowers are coming out and here’s the lastest on Ginny Andersen :
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...labour-mp.html
The two former staff members have described Andersen's Hutt South electorate office as a toxic environment.
The staffer said she emailed and called Parliamentary Services - raising red flags - and emailed Labour with concerns.
A second staffer also told Newshub Parliamentary Services were aware of issues in Andersen's office, as was the Labour Party.
"The system is not built up for you to make formal complaints, the system is built up just to leave when it gets bad and I just left," the second staffer said.
The incoming National led government can look forward to plenty of such revelations about the leadership of Labour under Ardern & Hipkins in the years ahead.
‘Negotiating skills’ as defined by the Left:
“Yes Winston, you can be deputy PM, yes Winston, you can be Minister of Foreign Affairs, yes Winston, you can have a multi billion dollar Provincial Slush Fund, yes Winston, we’ll plant a billion trees.” The Left view utter capitulation in the interests of a ‘speedy deal’ as the hallmarks of being a ‘great negotiator’.
Imagine the ridicule that would have been heaped on Luxon if he folded within 24 hours & signed a deal capitulating to all Winstons demands. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. The Left are very, very dishonest people who are very, very butthurt about losing the election & are very, very bitter and twisted about it.
As far as I am concerned the 3 parties can take as long as they like to form a government. Life is going on as normal while negotiations continue & no amount of confected outrage by the idiotic Leftys and pathetic media is going to change that. They can keep braying & crying big salty tears, it’s all rather funny.
Thanks for the entertainment - we all look forward to at least 5 terms forward of lame attempts to
Pandarise things up .. assuming the more likely stuffing it up is not instead seen ;)
It must be hard accepting that the trail of filth & made up stuff from alleged trusted source is all but
dried up .. even after warning that the foundations of Comrades' ranshackle shack were becoming
increasingly shaky ;)
Wynston..."I want a Provincial Growth Fund of $1,000,000."
Cindy........" That sounds fair...$1,000,00 per year it is."
Wynston..... "I was only after $1,000,00 for 3 years, but now that you are offering...."
Obviously desperately not what some want to hear, & ignore if you like but Chris Luxon's competancy is getting savaged, left right & centre but actually mainly from the Right.
Bryce Edwards Political Roundup today, Chris Luxon's embarrassing coalition negotiations.
"Luxon is now being openly mocked & ridiculed by political commentators"
"Hooton paints a picture of National's negotiations as a failure, caused by Luxon's arrogance & hubris."
"The National Leader has astounded those involved in negotiations by his cackhandedness."
Luxon "entered talks without bothering to take his partners seriously"
"National insiders say Luxon is a talker rather than a listener...
- He never asked how ACT or NZF thought negotiations should proceed or what they wanted from them"
"Luxon & National's reputation is suffering"
"First impressions matter....right now there's no sense of urgency, nothings changing fast, there's no momentum"
"Luxon has failed to grasp the power NZF & ACT have in negotiations
"Seymour & Peters have outmanoeuvred Luxon"
Luxons poor negotiating skills...Luxon now looks like an inexperienced numpty"
"Does this suggest Luxon will prove to be a weak Prime Minister"
"the troubled negotiations should remind the public just how poorly Luxon has performed since becoming National leader"
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christ...CS4BO5PUPGCEA/
Do you expect people to waste their time reading your posts BS.
Bollocks!
The MSM media are shredding their credibility on a daily basis. Tova O'Brien, who at one point was an Ardern fan girl...until the mean girl syndrome set in, manages to lower her credibility level with this ridiculous piece.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...m_medium=email
Relying on a Labour MP "close to negotiations in 2017" for commentary is a tad suspect for a start. She then goes on to "imagine" a bunch of scenarios, and then compares it to Ardern after she had formed a government, not the fawning, sell your grandmother of the negotiation period.
I know political commentators have column inches to fill, but sometimes dialing back on the hyperbole and engaging your brain (Tova!) is what is required.
Forgot about Tova, you can add Tova & half a dozen or more other commentators to the scathing criticism from the ones mentioned by Bryce Edwards in his Political Roundup today.
Whats going to hurt most is he's being made to look weak & incompetent in the eyes of the public.
Chris Luxon was a pretty hopeless opposition leader, hopeless at holding the govt to account, but was excused as he was so inexperienced.
But he's not going to be excused by the voting public from scrutiny as a Prime Minister.
(He hasn't got much talent around him either, Goldsmith, Simeon Brown part of the negotiating team " !!! )
Uhhmmmm....Labour just got their arse kicked by this supposed incompetent. Is this an admission of how truly bad Labour were? Let's hear you defend Labour's record of incompetence, rather than speculate on how Luxon will do as PM. The public has decided that for you.
Strange - not a squeak out of the weak & incompetent Fill in Leader of the Lost Large Pot Hole Era supposedly on Caretaker Duty - is he asleep in the corner or arranging the catering to celebrate the expulsion of the down and out Comrades that havent fallen on their swords ? ;)
Hmm...I don't think that's correct, while Labour got its arse kicked, it wasn't by Luxon.
The numbers show while voters fled Labour, instead of going to National they flocked to the minor parties.
In fact it was National's second worst result since 2002
Instead of being able to form a 2 Party coalition with ACT as projected just 3 months out from the election, Luxon's now has to marshal a 3 party coalition with NZF.
Secondly, this is the National Party thread where we scrutinise Luxon & National's performance on their own merits, & we must be allowed to do that don't you agree?
The disingenuous headlines write themselves for the Left wing media. No matter what the deal is that gets eventually announced, it will be ‘Inexperienced Luxon Capitulates to Winston Peters’. The Left don’t care about the truth, they have their predetermined click-bait attack lines ready to go. The left wing media know that they have a ready made Lefty audience of the likes of red skies & red panda waiting expectantly for more of this tosh to be printed. People like O’Brien and Hooton are not real journalists, they are bought & paid for sensationalists and attack dogs.
Last time I looked national won the majority of the vote, I don't know why it's taking so long to form a government.
Duh, just because you win the majority of the vote doesn’t mean you can govern alone. Without the support of the other 2 parties we are headed back to the polls. This is the stupid ‘MMP + 7 race-based electorates’ system that we operate under in our dysfunctional country, so blame whoever supports such a system.
The idea circulating among some dunces that Luxon can show up and dictate to Peters and Seymour on what he’ll give them is laughable, as they can simply say “no”.
The media & left wing mob can continue jumping up and down and braying loudly, the solution is just to ignore them & that is what the party leaders are doing.
Yes indeed, as seen elsewhere in the world - lose confidence of one of the minor support factions, it's all over
and off to another session at the polls. The most extreme of the factions are often seen to rule the roost by default
Italy & a few other European countries possibly examples of what happens
What we have is bad enough as it is: a ‘tail wags the dog’ MMP system with 7 race-based apartheid seats tacked on. The Left will keep pushing for further radical change though: removing the thresholds and getting 16 year olds voting is their latest two-pronged attack.
The past 6 years & what little Labour achieved in that time should be very clear warning to all on the core agenda of the Left and desperate depths the Left & it's defacto factions will stoop to in effectively prostituting themselves, in order to retain power, if let in ;)
Wonderful to see Dame Jacinda Ardern, now a Fellow at Harvard University & role model to many, speaking at the Harvard Public School of Health, reflecting on Leading with empathy, & what its like to make hard but compassionate policy choices under a global spotlight, 1pm EST Friday. (7am NZT)
It was live- streamed on Harvard's website & You Tube page for those unable to attend in person, at this stage not avail for later on-demand viewing.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/event/l...acinda-ardern/
Thought this the National thread & not the thread for Labour's path to oblivion including recent & departed actors & contributors thereto, which appears much unloved over the other way ;)
Perhaps why not a new thread on "Failing Stars of Labour" so the readers can decide whether they can be bothered reading or if it deserves any loving :)
Ha, because you asked for it.
Anybody reading this thread can see you guys never stop posting about Labour on this the National thread.
It's just constant carping & moaning about Labour, Labour, Labour, so I thought why not post it here!
If you don't want to see a post about a former Labour PM here, how about you stop posting about Labour here.
Put your posts on the right thread, or don't worry about it. (sunshine :) )
Luxon said that he was the M&A man - did he actually do any?
He mentioned AIR and Virgin - no merger or acquisition - in fact a share sale and loss for AIR of $100m or so.
Still waiting for the easy (he said) coalition deal.
Starting to get embarrassing - hopefully, the outcome will be worth it but I suspect a lot of the policies the National voters voted for won't be there.
The likes of dobby41 have been fed with so much spin, BS and lies from their one source of truth in the most transparent government ever that they are incapable of distinguishing what are lies and what are truth anymore.
What a damning indictment of 6 years of the government of Ardern, Hipkins and Labour.
This government won't see out the term to many egos involved
In recent days there's been strong rumours of National insiders becoming increasingly frustrated with Luxon, ignoring calls for a ceasefire in Gaza, despite the pace of the indiscriminate slaughter of defenceless, starving, innocent children, women, the elderly, showing no signs of slowing. The scenes we are witnessing are genocide. Watching the news tonight, another UN school where women & children sought safety, bombed.
Since Luxon unwilling to call for a ceasefire & after 5 weeks still unable to form a govt with no definite end in sight, a relief today to see Chris Hipkins unwilling to stay silent any longer calling for an urgent ceasefire on behalf of the Labour Party.
Luxon must be fuming, he looks out of touch, indecisive, floundering, flatfooted, & diminished.
5 weeks after results on election night which produced this coalition, he should have been able to form a govt, needed to be at APEC & should have had the backbone to call for a ceasefire in Gaza without asking MFAT or more discussions.
Where's the promised action!
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The three ringed circus continues with Winston the ring master with whip in hand.
Throughout history it's proven again & again, those who choose the battle ground tend to win. Peters moved the negotiations from Wellington to Auckland by simply not turning up & both Luxon & Seymour with tail between the legs, swiftly chased after their elusive partner.
Luxon made some huge mistakes even before negotiations began.
Saying he didn't know Winston, was a mistake or it was a mistake not getting to know him.
By not using the media is playing into Winston's hands. A party holding only 6% of the vote is holding the country & National to ransom.
It's not like the nation doesn't know Winston's form in these situations & be sympathetic. The problem for Luxon is that Winston is far more charismatic.
Garbage as usual from Blue Skies.
Sore loser who prefers NZ to have a government formed quickly like Ardern selling her grandmother to Winston to screw NZers with the lust for power. Give her or Hipkins another chance and this time, they will sell their children to get into power.
Meanwhile, Hipkins is trying to cover-up Labour's anti-Israel stance when Mahuta refused to condemn the Oct 7 massacre by the Hamas' terrorists of innocent civilians. He fools no-one except those indoctrinated by the one source of truth in the most transparent government ever under Ardern & Hipkins.
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So that justifies the killing of now an estimated 20,000 civilians? More than half of those women & children?
These are the actions of Israel you are condoning.
If you persecute a millions of people for decades, control every aspect of their lives, don't allow them a political voice, continually encroach on Palestinian land and evict people from their homes, don't allow them to defend themselves against one of the most sophisticated & well funded militaries in the world, you only leave the persecuted one choice. Guerrilla war tactics.
What Hamas did was horrific as is what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians for decades.
The PLO negotiated peace and a defined border. This has never been honoured by Israel. Hamas are of Israel's own making. Gaza territory has a lot of similarities to the Warsaw ghetto of WWII.
So has much of the propaganda from Israel trying dehumanize Palestinians.
No I do not want civilians to die, however Hamas are the ones hiding behind civilians and have been doing for ages. Often a willing civilian. I know its a bit more nuanced than that, but I do have a Palestinian cousin and she applauds the IDF.
So not all Palestinians are for Hamas but many are.
Hamas needs to be destroyed, and once they are gone, hopefully Iran will not have a voice in that area of the world.
You write a lot of anti-Jew garbage and a lot of pro-Hamas propaganda.
Fact is simple - the Palestinian leadership has never wanted peace - they have rejected every peace overtures made by Israel.
But then, as an Ardern indoctrinated devotee, truth is not something you will ever understand.
You are wrong. Very wrong and you have been called out for this before.
To criticize Netanyahu's led Israel, is not to be anti Jewish. There are Jewish people also criticizing Netanyahu, are they anti Jewish as well?
These pathetic blanket, inflamatory & incorrect statements against anyone that criticizes Israel's actions, is a poor defense & has no place here.
With Hamas destroyed, which is probably impossible unless the whole of Palestine is leveled and tens of thousands more civilians are killed.
What next? Israel allows Palestinians a political voice? A vote? Representation? Allowed to act a free people in their own land?
Do they get a seat at the UN? Will they be allowed to defend themselves like any other nation?
Anyway we have gone off topic.
I suggest we get back to domestic politics
If people want to place blame for ongoing coalition negotiations putting us 'in limbo' then they should place it on our ‘tail wags the dog’ MMP system with 7 race-based apartheid seats tacked on. The Left howled long and loud about the First Past the Post system & eventually we got the debacle of a system we now have. Progressives don't actually bring 'progress', they make everything worse!
Personally I don't feel I'm in limbo; the sun is still coming up & life continues.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/coalit...OBCCF5ENPHQI4/
Coalition talks: National agrees policy deals with Act and NZ First
It's a ... Done deal :)
Time for the instructions to take the garbage out :)
Would be good if it was true.
Seems Luxon didn't tell the other 2 that it was a done deal.
Not a good start to coalition communication (actually the bad start was a couple of weeks ago and Luxon just continues digging).
I can't wait to see what is in or out and who gets what positions.
Hopefully it is all sensible and balanced.
Sense the fear and panic in Labour ranks, especially the Ardern devotees, as the new government gets ready to take out the trash?
Plenty of revelations to come out over the next 3 years of just how treacherously useless and incompetent & yet arrogant the government of Ardern, Hipkins and Labour have been.
Latest :
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...ndations-to-go
Te Whatever Ora, under the leadership of the diversity for diversity’s sake leadership appointed by Ardern & Little, has only implemented 3 (yes 3) out of the 101 (one hundred and one) recommendations from the Report prepared a year ago to cut & shorten the surgery waiting list.
WTF have the leadership of Te Fxckwit Ora & Little have been doing for the last year?
Complete nonsense speak from Luxon who says we can't call for a ceasefire in Gaza 'because the reality is you need the conditions for a ceasefire to be there & that requires both parties wanting to progress a ceasefire.'
Well if we waited until after both Israel & Hamas agree to wanting a ceasefire, we would look a bit ridiculous waiting for a ceasefire before calling for one.
Yes, lets wait until Israel & Hamas want a ceasefire before we call for one !!!
Rookie PM, way out of his depth.
This is going to be fun, as the swing to a National led government with ACT and NZF unfolds, and the Labour apologists try to defend their 6 years of achieving absolutely nothing that will be systematically unwound, reversed, dismantled and abolished, while they try to attack the incoming government.
Three years of fun. Can hardly wait.
Well, it's not looking like a National led govt at the moment...