Selwyn Manning: National ‘sat on’ vital covid-19 infection information before dropping...
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So...??.. Jeeze Balance, it’s pretty obvious isn’t it ?
IMO National run a very dangerous race playing with the health of people like this
They should have disclosed what they knew ASAP to enable appropriate action.
Despicable that they didn’t. And I’m not a Labour voter, but I hope this bites them in the A.
Nothing has endangered NZers’ health than the shambolic and disastrously mismanaged quarantine regime.
Anything which snap this government’s complacency & self-congratulatory clouds in the sky mindset back to reality is a good thing - think of what would have happened if the quarantine mess has been allowed to continue.
And this pathetic Selwyn Manning is picking on a few hours before Woodhouse disclosed that the women had made contact with someone in Auckland before driving down to Wellington. MOH & the government had known about the two women since the 15th June - 2 whole days! What were the officials at MOH doing in that time? Sleeping on their job?
And I did not vote National FYI.
So if you're not an attack dog for national why are you so offensive and using the trump tactic , being divisive? Gynophobia?
Aha ,, yep Gynophobia for sure. But hey its treatable, just gotta action that. Whats the worst that would happen? Nothing bad ,all good.:)
Trevor Mallard....he of the playground debacle....he of the punchup in Parliament Buildings with Tau Henare...is the worst Speaker we have had in living memory. Shown repeatedly to be sheltering Ardern from hard questioning early in the term and under a steady stream of complaints as to his impartiality.
His election to Speaker wasn't backed by the Nats as I recall, which is extremely rare.
It's all about protecting Comrade Cindy & her team of incompetents from the hard questions.
Remember how he shielded Helen Clark from Owen Glenn (who donated generously to the Auckland University Business School) by keeping him away from Comrade Helen at the opening of the School?
Well, Owen Glenn exacted his revenge by unleashing extremely damaging information on how Labour & Winston were covering up huge donations from him, and not returning favors they promised.
NZers can see through Mallard like thy voted out Helen Clark.
Aaaha so you havnt even bothered to look at the vid.Caught out;)
Michael Woodhouse, Nationals health spokesman and Minister for Health if they get elected (god help us) has yet to come up with any evidence regarding the “homeless man “ freeloading among the isolating hotel guests. His claims a reliable unnamed source told him. More likely he was just trying to embarrass the Government with what has been described as an "urban myth"
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What resources?
Here’s the real and appalling waste of resources :
The bunch of Incompetent dumb wits who have no idea how a quarantine control system must work.
The idiots who wasted the tens of millions of dollars spent as returnees enjoyed a holiday at the 5 stars hotels - mingling, drinking, mixing and potentially passing on the virus to one another for weeks?
Then, being able to leave without being tested and with non-existent & incomplete follow up?
And putting us all at risk - potentially passing the virus onto NZers who endured considerable hardship and inconvenience during the lockdowns?
THAT is the real waste of resources. :t_down:
The PPE stockpiles were depleted and left to expire by the last government (& maybe others idk). No one can really prepare for a once in 100 year event but they have done well so credit where it's due.
The facts of NO community transmission speaks for itself and maybe australia will become the next epicentre due to their relaxed approach (isolation there is even worse and they still want people to isolate "in their homes"). we will be ok now we have a robust contact tracing system.
NZ is the best place and there is nowhere safer on earth. I know the prospect of NZ succeeding upsets some unbalanced people but tough imo.
Panda has a bad case of myopia. Incredible really, like a paid shill for the Labour Party. Who’d waste their time spewing defence of the indefensible without some ulterior motive? Came in the scene only recently and a relentless defender of the ineptitude. Shallow shill so obvious it’s sad.
Oh boy...If this is the attitude of your average Labour supporter we are well on the way to a Marxist state! Speak up decent Labourites. Call out this appalling rhetoric by someone purporting to support the Ardern government. Are these comments of Panda acceptable to you? Is this representative of Labour supporters?
I don't support anyone lol. I voted for Key twice then winston then jacinda and now jacinda again.
Why can't you recognise our world leading performance in both the economy and with covid? The figures are there. We are topping all of the charts and will likely be the best economy and country out of this in my opinion.
The story has also been backed up by journalist Barry Soper who has also claimed to have ‘a very reliable source’. So it seems likely someone has told the story separately to an MP and a journalist.
https://yournz.org/2020/06/25/the-ho...e-hotel-story/
Anne Tolley is out.. united team.. paula as well.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/...w-out-election
A bunch of divisive mud throwers on here wont acknowledge our great wins because they are being mean spirited and political.Divide and conquer not celebrate our wins and support fixing,
constantly improving in this constantly evolving and changing quarantine issue which is complex and complicated and which has a small % of "guests" who wont comply, who lie and wont be tested.. Let alone being let out on grounds for compassion before 14 days. They are bit like some on here who demand perfection and are very imperfect themselves like the rest of us.I kinda agree , go set up your perfect nirvana somewhere else then noisily implode and come back more balanced people.
At least Paula leaves on her own terms but clearly shat on and has opted out.
This is actually good for National coz she represents that old guard who really dont care now that they have snouts in the trough
Woodhouse now says that the story wasn't made up but won't go so far as to say it's true either. It seems that Woodhouse and Soper have been taken for a ride.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-tale-was-true
It was dead until Ashley raised it again.
Woodhouse was duped - more fool him.
Now we get Muller wanting the borders open now - he doesn't seem to realise that there is a virus out there which we don't.
Though, to be fair, he has no idea how he'd open the borders to the world just that he wants them open.
Good sound bite but it would set us back.
Only a problem to allow students and essentials in - if our quarantine system is not up to the task.
How are they any different from the tens of thousands of NZers now queuing up to get back into NZ?
Says more about who are being duped by Comrade Cindy & her team of incompetents who are now **** scared to do anything leading to the election.
Muller wasn't just saying students - he wants the border OPEN. The man is in Lala land - totally out of touch with reality.
Of course students are different from the others wanting to come in - NZers are allowed back and take up all the space (and growing).
We'd need a lot more space for students - not impossible.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12343994
Your assertion about Todd Muller wanting uncontrolled open borders qualifies 110% as fake news. And you know it too which makes it worse - desperation is starting to show at such groundless assertions.
This is what he actually said & wanted :
Muller called for the Government to describe its thinking about the conditions under which it would look to relax border restrictions..
"The New Zealand strategy cannot be that we stay locked up until everybody else gets to zero or we have a vaccine. This country would be on its knees if that was the case."
Interesting to know how many of those returning are heading straight to WINZ. Some households will have lost jobs, and if coming in from Australia, many won't qualify for more than very temporary welfare. Still, if they are workers overseas they will be keen to be workers here. That can only be a good thing.
Interesting how Amy Adams decides to retire and “spend more time with her family” when Bridges was leader, but Muller’s arrival prompts a change of heart.
Paula Bennett however decides to leave after Muller kicks Bridges under the bus. After being demoted 11 spots in Nationals hierarchy she wishes to pursue other career options.
Little media comment on Nationals winners and losers? :)
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Simon back in the good books ....Shadow Minister Foreign Stuff
Seems the Nats don’t really want to win this election
Personally I thought it quite a good move. Bridges is very capable in my view....just unappealing to the public. Foreign Affairs seems a good fit. It's also a role where he is firmly tied to the Party Line. No coincidence that Winston ends up there when in Coalition. His hands are largely tied.
Muller showing some political nous here.
Simon gets on well with China ...that’s a good start
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12345104
Highlighting returnees from India, Pakistan and South Korea as being unwanted & unwelcomed for quarantine in Southland area when the vast majority are actually NZers returning from Australia.
Have to say this is disgusting & repugnant - Toddy better stamp his authority fast on this kind of race baiting from one of his MPs, and get him to apologize.
Finally someone admits to at least one of National's wrongs.
Sold off too many state houses.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...y-state-houses
Looks like National are going for the dirty campaign option.
Michelle Boag gives the covid people details to Hammish Walker so he can leak them to the media.
I hope he gets prosecuted and even jailed - shameful.
This is the same man who made the racist comments.
Says he gave the details to the media to "expose the government's shortcomings so they would be rectified" - taking lessons from Woodhouse.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...atient-details
I think they will both be gone by lunchtime . In any case sooner than Curran & Clark ,I will remind you ILG is still there as is Twyford ....
What about Dr jian yang someone who will have access to NZ's census information ??
He is national's spokesperson for statistics and will have access to those and considerably more assuming this translates into a Minister of statistics role within a National government.
No but it's part of the risk you take when electing a national government now.
"There is a Queen's Counsel appointed to investigate the whole circumstances of the matter and he will be able to consider some of those questions more, whether there are charges that can be pursued and I look forward to his report."
I assume if charges could be the outcome then National will have to select a new candidate for Clutha. Todd Muller must be apoplectic with rage. What a disaster
He is National's spokesperson for statistics.
He worked for chinese intelligence..
Plus take a look at the "other political affiliation" section.
These facts are plain. NZ's migrant communities with family ties to china will not be happy with this situation and for a good reason.
Do you seriously think a Spokesperson for Statistics has access to people's individual Census forms and personal information? Or are you adding it to your campaign of misinformation that you spread across the political threads?
Holding an opinion doesn't require you to make stuff up to justify that opinion. Just be prepared to back your opinions with logic....not propaganda and BS.
Unlike the t&c that a company affiliate must disclose their identity here, there seems to be no equivalent terms for party affiliates, hence we suffer the probably paid shills who troll this and other social media sites. It’s an election year, funny how some people just turn up out of nowhere, perfectly timed, immediate engagement responses, well informed but heavily biased supporters of the incumbents and attack dogs of any opposition. Join the dots.
It's the most exciting time to invest in ever AND Feb = the start of the corona pandemic. I can see the thoroughly amazing response that has been done with the help of 5mil and why wouldn't anyone. Maybe they are too blinkered themselves.
No international context at all when they make claims like "we are spending too much ", "our economy is being ruined" . So is everyone and we are set to top the charts because of our health response and keeping in place market principles for exporters.
You can not vote at all and that is pretty valid too I would think.
I can understand why a "core" Nat non-swing voter can't support a govt that is delivering results within the MMP confines though not voting is an option that our system allows for thankfully.
every item on the nz first labour agreement delivered
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12346280
No secret how and where the infor came from - it’s all there.
Must commend the media for printing the story but not disclosing the names of the patients.
Michelle Boag was given it in her capacity as CEO of a Health Rescue organisation, i.e. Auckland Rescue Helicopter Trust.
Vital these first responders who often have to provide immediate medical aid to patients are aware if the patient should be in isolation or quarantine, plus necessity to deep clean the helicopter & isolate the pilot & responders if that happened.
No good either delivering a potentially Covid infected patient straight into hospital's A&E dept exposing all to risk of infection.
Why didn't she leak it herself? Pretty easy to work that out.
Spectacular backfire and more voter drift coming.
"I think if a member of parliament can't accept that receiving people's health information is something that they should treat with a degree of confidence then that says quite a lot about their own levels of personal integrity and judgement."".
Privacy breach disappointing and has 'ring of dirty politics' - Hipkins
She could have and this raises a question.
For a start she got the information in her role as acting chief executive of the Auckland Rescue Helicopter Trust so that look legit.
She then sent it to Walker - why would she do that?
She says that she didn't expect him to release it to the presss but what legitimate reason would there be to give it to him anyway.
Very dirty.
Todd muller on the micheal woodhouse homeless man:
"I stand by my health spokesperson and his source"
4:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rBhwxRUcCQ
"I back him"
5:20
While in the same interview claiming the govt should read a random report in detail.
Todd said this morning he wants Walker gone but needs the full council to approve. Fair enough.
Comrade Cindy kept David Clark on despite all the stuffs up under him until she could not bear the political heat and cost any more. Who’s playing the nasty game (in this case, with David Clark’s life & career too?)
Good to see he is moving on this.
A bit stronger than yesterday - he put out a statement blandly saying that he “expressed to Hamish my view that forwarding on this information was an error of judgement”.
Maybe he has picked up the mood of the country since then (rather than his instinct).
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12346451
Walker gone.
Boag pretty much gone too.
Due process has to be followed.
Michelle has been at the core of the National party for decades. She will be back in there soon after the election whatever the outcome is I'm thinking.
I had to laugh when I read this.
Hamish Walker breaches Covid-19 patient’s privacy and then has the audacity to ask the National Party leadership not to out him citing concerns about his privacy.
His privacy matters and other people’s privacy is not important. He didn’t want to be accountable so another black mark against him.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12346451
Muller told the Clutha-Southland MP he needed to own up publicly.
It's understood later that afternoon - after the Government announced the inquiry - Muller received a legal letter on Walker's behalf.
It asked the National Party leadership not to out Walker citing concerns about his privacy.
Seems more to come.
Boags Trust says she wouldn't get the info in her work capacity.
Very dirty all around and shows how desperate National are.
Expect a very dirty campaign from them.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/122...iwisaver-board
Paying the price and rightly so.
So now clear why Todd Muller looked so awkward & unusually defensive yesterday, when asked by reporter if apart from Hamish Walker, he had sought personal assurances from his other MP's that they hadn't received any confidential patient information as well & weakly suggested he didn't need to.
Surprise surprise, looks like he knew Michael Woodhouse had as well,( though hadn't passed it on) & must have been hoping to contain the story to Walker.
Muller looks like a decent man but must be finding it frustrating trying to navigate all this dirty stuff while trying honour loyalties (to Michelle Boag who helped him roll Simon Bridges) plus win an election.
Also Woodhouse has to go, the creepy toilet seat trophy is beyond revolting, there's something deeply creepy about a smiling grown man holding up a toilet seat with a photo of a woman on it as a trophy.
Are those the values of family man Todd Muller & the National Party? I don't think so!
Todd Muller must be appalled.