Know what you mean...... information on some of these bonds..especially the perpetuals can be difficult to find and also difficult to decipher. I can remember going backwards and forwards all over the place trying to sort it all out. Also the website link on DB didnt work..they certainly didnt make it user friendly. Thats a lesson for the powers that be..if you want a high strike rate you have to be access friendly and clear of jargon and legalspeak. Infratil is good about that..there website has an excellent section on debt securities/bonds etc.