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two things
1. Cameron Slater: career over
2. Early morning call to Crosby Textor from John Key " oh ...sh.t.... HELP" !!!!
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Wow, looks like it has been wasted, I wouldn't use your services that is for sure. To save you anymore time just look at my update above. Labour did not even have a hole, their website was open. So nada there, however the Whale Oil website was hacked and that would be a criminal offence. If you don't understand that, get out of I.T fast.
Here is another update, Cameron Slater has proof that Kim Dot Com was the hacker. So I was not trying to make a link with his involvement but merely hinting at the truth that is about to be released. This is massive, as massive as a dirty tricks campaign from the left could get. NZs watergate & Hagar could very well be the Fat mans cell mate in short time.
I'm just listening to some audio on the matter and will post it shortly.
Cheers, Cuz.
Want a conspiracy theory? Look how similar the adverts for the Internet Party and Spark are ;)
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He certainly adopted a very different style when interviewing Cameron. Quite unfair; although it's a breakfast show and that's his style. He's a plonker, but also quite capable of running an unbiased debate when required. He's done it before and will again no doubt.
Well it has been one hour since your allegation belg with no proof put up by you, so I guess your non-answer is an answer all by itself. Maybe I can help you out with some I.T matters. BTW, I meant what I said concerning your work colleague after he hacked the Whale Oil website and I will be informing Cameron Slater of this illegal act myself personally.
I bet you belg is not LOLing. This very much seems like a left thing to do, diving into other peoples business & was surprised as hell that belg and his workmates have done that to Whale Oil's website. Especially how we all know his political leanings. If he did infact get all the good oil, he might be very quite on what he read about Labour. Funny how Hagar edited the juicy stuff out about Labour and only used what he thought would be harmful stuff against National. Hagar is a Propaganda puppet for the left & a tool for Dave.
And then we see big Dave saying how disgusted he is the more he reads little Nicky's book. He must be very disgusted in himself then. CUNLIFFE TELLS MAN SEEKING ASSISTANCE – ‘NO DIRT, NO HELP’
I wonder if we are all safe from belg if his business hacks computers. Well are we?
BTW belg, be very careful not to disclosed one thing you read on the Whale Oil website that your work hacked into. If you already have, you will find the same laws that Hagar and Dot Com are about to get real familiar with and they are:
Extract from Crimes Act
249Accessing computer system for dishonest purpose
(1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7
years who, directly or indirectly, accesses any computer system and
thereby, dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—
(a)obtains any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage,
benefit, or valuable consideration; or
(b)causes loss to any other person.
(2)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5
years who, directly or indirectly, accesses any computer system with
intent, dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—
(a)to obtain any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage,
benefit, or valuable consideration; or
(b)to cause loss to any other person.
(3)In this section, deception has the same meaning as in section
240(2).
Section 249: replaced, on 1 October 2003, by section 15 of the Crimes
Amendment Act 2003 (2003 No 39).
Be very careful belg.
My view of the forum:
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Can I assume by the number of posts that cuzzie is getting upset about something?
In your own words, "and we have tools, many are the same that hackers use" Your "probed" word and the rest of your cool story about moving your work mate away from work and to his home comes down to trust. Trust and belg don't run together but you and Banksie do, work that one out.
Oh, the not very smart remark by me? That's in reference to you telling everybody on ShareTrader that it took you less than 10 minutes to establish my identity? Did you just probe me or was that a hack? Maybe we should meet up belg & seem as how you know all about me come around to my place now you know who I am & where I live. I might just "probe you a bit" . That won't happen now you know who I am, at least we both know that for sure. Like I said before belg, just be very, very careful where you are heading with all this cr@p. It is creepy for one.
Make that a hack because a probe wont give you info on my identity right. So you are here gloating that you have hacked my info. Maybe time to look at this again. Maybe there is room to fit you in with the Fat Man and little Nicky. That's why you're not very smart belg, you mouth is too big for your own good.
Extract from Crimes Act
249Accessing computer system for dishonest purpose
(1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7
years who, directly or indirectly, accesses any computer system and
thereby, dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—
(a)obtains any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage,
benefit, or valuable consideration; or
(b)causes loss to any other person.
(2)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5
years who, directly or indirectly, accesses any computer system with
intent, dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—
(a)to obtain any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage,
benefit, or valuable consideration; or
(b)to cause loss to any other person.
(3)In this section, deception has the same meaning as in section
240(2).
Section 249: replaced, on 1 October 2003, by section 15 of the Crimes
Amendment Act 2003 (2003 No
Well done Belg.....
I wondered why Belg wanted to know more details about where my brother worked once. Do you really spend ask your time trying to identify people on forums? And for what gain?
Apparently it been reported( and photographed) that, unusually, all the lights were on in the ninth floor of the Beehive last night.
I wonder why??
1.Perhaps the Beehive cleaning staff were working late?
2 Perhaps .maintenance staff were testing the lights?
My guess is that JK was having a very long, extended, and unscheduled meeting about something urgent. I wonder what that could be?
I'm reading the book. Can't put it down, I've read the Crusher Collins chapter. She will probably have to go. She lied to the PM. The main players all lied. What a mess for National :(. If Crosby-Textor can figure a way out of this, they really will be worth the money.
FP
The thing is FP, the ninth floor, and most of the beehive the lights are apparently off. I may be quite coincidental, I thought that perhaps John Keys office light were on because he had to stay on to discuss something important and unexpected. Cant imagine what that could be of course.
However I , and no doubt many others, have suspected for sometime with John Key that the "lights are on but no one is at home".
So I have a question:
If Slater had received the hacked Labour data without the help of Ede, would that be okay? I see that it is wrong for the government or the National party to be involved, and probably even wrong for the journalist/blogger to be involved...but is it okay for a journalist to write an article/book off the back of hacked data?
I am having a bit of a moral debate with myself about this and wonder what others think.
I must say that I am truly enjoying this thread today. The lefties have been castigated and pilloried most of the time, and when I joined this thread on a share trading site, I thought it would probably be a bad idea.
Winston Peters has made some great comments today, thanks Belgarion.
I don't think Winston will be able to side with National after the election, not if he acts on any of these words.Quote:
Mr Peters said allegations within author Nicky Hager's new book Dirty Politics revealed a "very disappointing time in New Zealand politics".
"It's pretty low, not the book....this book is after all the record of the National Party's communications and they can't deny it. It shows it is down and dirty."
"Nobody minds hard politics, that's the name of the business but filth and dirt and sleaze and underhand activities should not be attributable."
Asked what Prime Minister John Key should do given the allegations squared at the National Party within the book, Mr Peters replied: "You will have to ask him but I hope he doesn't say that he didn't know what the SIS and others were doing."
"The SIS declassifying documentation with all the speed in the world, when you all know as journalists and politicians they keep it for the maximum time and sometimes for the maximum of 40 days and this being done in a matter of days goes right to the core of wrongful involvement of a security service in politics, it's just not acceptable."
Mr Peters said dirty campaigning had been building for a while in New Zealand politics.
"What you have got is the very adverse influence of huge money and American-style politics where the leader is being painted as someone you can trust but below him with his knowledge there's every dirty tactic going down and they shouldn't get away with it."
Mr Peters said the book couldn't have come at a better time.
"This is an election about the transparency of both politics, principles and personalities."
"What do you want in a campaign? Not to know or get the inside information on a party this time that has been exposed?"
"The fact is this is the National Party's story collated to their great embarrassment, in one book."
Mr Peters said despite Mr Hager being dismissed by National Party figures as a "left-wing conspiracy theorist" he believed the author had integrity, despite having never met him.
"The Prime Minister and Mr Joyce can go and make those statements but it just doesn't wash and you know why? They're their words, not mine."
Mr Peters said he had lodged a complaint with ministerial services over revelations made about himself in the book.
"I want to know how taxpayers' money was used in that illegal way."
"It's clear as daylight from those communications someone was being employed in the Prime Minister's office not to do a ministerial job but to get dirt and spray dirt around about opponents."
- APNZ
YAWN! Nicky Hagar....how did he make/inherit his considerable wealth? Was it through following Labour philosophy?
I bet the sales will be much lower than his previous effort, you can only go to the well so many times.
Comments I've seen in the media is that it will be a 2 day wonder.
What does he/Labour do for an encore?
MVT, you're from Chch - does the email exchange between CS and PS upset you?
Based on his attire, I think Nicky Hager (get the name right) is not terribly affluent. The book is only $35 in bookstores, he probably gets about $10 a copy sold. Maybe a lot less. He should outsell Barry Crump though, he deserves to. Congratulations on the hard work paying off, Nicky.
Nicky Hager and Labour don't need an encore. I'm now up to page 77 in the book. If many of the public read or hear about this work, National are not going to be the government after 20th September. They simply don't deserve to be there. The Whale Oil Blog will be dismantled as a sick joke.
All that remains to be found out, is if the NZ public (on average) can handle learning enough about politics to vote National out in 2014.
ElZee, do you know if the book is available for download?
"Comments I've seen in the media is that it will be a 2 day wonder"
MVT
I didn't realise this scandal was being covered by Fox News?
One possible explanation the lights being on in JKs office last night because he was getting Bill English to read Nicky Hagers book to him.
Problem for you here belg is your wrong. Nice try moving it sideways though. Most people would have a Facebook account, Google Account, go on other forums, but the only way you can find them or link them without hacking is through my name here - Cuzzie and what sort of politics I like. Cuzzie (my name here) or my choice in politics is known by you true. I do have a Facebook page - true, I do have a Google account - true. No shares in Wynyard though - false. Are you making associations to connect the dots and making a picture similar to Nicky Hager's? Nah, B.S belg you fail because I don't use my Facebook page for politics in any shape or form because it is a business Facebook page as well you know and my Google account is for my business too. No politics or talk of Cuzzie anywhere to be seen. No way to link them to me here period. So how the hell do you know this. Like I said I have done a profile on you and fully know how you operate. Your profile is what you have given me to process & I have the knowhow to take that a step further than most, my Facebook and Google accounts are what you have taken from me. There is a big difference. You can dance or dress it up how you please, but there is no hiding the fact that you on here have said you have the tools & knowhow to hack into computers & you now are pretending you have done it the hard way through Facebook or Google accounts. That's investigation work which is time and money, why bother when you have the tools & knowhow to hack computers. I know investigation work belg, I do it the hard way - clearly not as smart as you computer wise and proud of the fact now you have come out as a hacker. This will give you a chill belg, in my profiling of you, I bet you my bottom dollar that you have been in trouble with the police in the last 10 or 20 years for some kind of powertrip you were having. You love total control and in your mind everyone must be below you. When you meet your match, your mind rushes and you end up saying or doing stupid things & you slip up, like today and I said that you were not too smart. Not smart because you told the world that you can hack computers. You slip up under pressure and do silly things. You know I'm right so there you go, I've hacked your brain. Creepy? I don't believe so. We all profile somebody when we meet them for the first time. It's known as sussing somebody out. I take what I'm given and I'm good at it. You take what is not given belg & that is called stealing. One is legal and one is very much illegal.
Who cares what name he goes by, Hager is a criminal and a hypocrite in the first degree. I wouldn't waste my time or money on his stolen emails, but you would EZ. I like that - at least one sucker I know of. Wait till the fat man is done for hacking computers AGAIN. I'll buy that book. Here's a title, "Fatty & Skinny share a bunk behind bars".
Ha! I thought I recalled aright. Some assiduous Googling and it reveals that Nicky Hagar The Horrible is a spoilt little prat living off inherited wealth who doesn't need to, and doesn't, work for a living. :-)
That of course, is carefully overlooked in Wikipedia no doubt written up by some carefully coached and directed disciple.
My goodness that's a first MVT, a National Party cheerleader who is against inherited wealth!!!!.
Oh by the way, next time you see the President of the National Party, Peter Goodfellow ,try giving him a lecture on the evils of inherited wealth, his response will be interesting to say the least.
But all is good, John Key looks very uncomfortable,
Steven Joyce lost for words, and Crosby Textor are probably going to be asked for a refund.
Folks,
I've had so many complaints this week about things on here. I'm not going to start moderating peoples views or political standings (even if their wrong).
Please, can we keep it chilled a little and no threating to punch people, or saying that people have multiple aliases.
Regards,
Vince
Er, Vince, were any of the complaints about me? Did I get a mention? :)
MVT, I couldn't find anything except an insinuation he might be well off. The book mentions that if the bloggers can't find any dirt, they make it up, in their own admissions. In any case, whether Nicky Hager has independent means or not, that probably makes him a better journalist and investigative writer. He's certainly compiled good research to back up the emails and other data.
NZResources and the irrepressible Dene Mackenzie are keen to help John Key out here.
But I think John is on very dangerous ground if he continues to assert that he knows nothing about how and when Mr Ede fed data through to Cameron Slater and others. Some of that data could only have come from him, with his specific access to top secret documents.
Read the book, is my suggestion. The Whale Oil and Kiwiblog blog sites cost money to run. They are funded by businesses who have dubious products like alcohol and tobacco to promote, by wannabe electoral candidates for safe seats, and in particular by the National Party itself. They are fed some of the blog posts by all and sundry, and the time of placement is prescribed. Sometimes the volume is overwhelming, depending on how much they need to move opinion, and how important it is. It's all in the book (Dirty Politics).Quote:
The book: Key shifts blame to the left
By Dene Mackenzie
Prime Minister John Key believes an orchestrated campaign by left-wing activists led up to the release on Wednesday of Nicky Hager's book which contained damning allegations against the National Party.
First, came the Kim Dotcom video encouraging young people to chant “F...k John Key”. Then came an effigy of his likeness being burnt and posted online, followed by a billboard defacement campaign and a parody song, since ruled out by the Electoral Commission.
“Then comes the book containing baseless allegations.” Asked in Dunedin about Hager's book - Dirty Politics: How attack politics is poisoning New Zealand's political environment - John Key said Hager joined a whole lot of dots that could not be connected.
“There has been a build up from the left all week until Wednesday. That's when you have people saying we can't beat National on policy let's throw muck and see what happens.”
Key, despite constant questioning, denied any involvement of the National Party, his staff or National Party staff in the allegations contained in the book.
He constantly attempted to turn around the allegations against the political left. And, while not saying the emails were a work of fiction, the Prime Minister carefully skirted around the issue saying he was unlikely to take a serious look at any of the allegations. He was not likely to read the book before the election and his staff had said there was nothing for Key to investigate, he said.
John Key said he would be happy for any investigation to be undertaken by any agency into the allegations, and when told the Green Party wanted a Royal Commission inquiry, he urged them to go for it.
He again accused Nick Hager of being a left-wing conspiracy theorist and said any actions undertaken by Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater were undertaken solely by Slater and not under direction of the National Party.
Some of the damning emails published by Hager alleged conspiracy between National Party staff member Jason Ede and Slater. But Key gave a tacit approval if Ede had undertaken trawling through Labour's website after Slater alerted the site was open to public scrutiny.
Key denied to the Otago Daily Times he had any involvement in any of the allegations contained in the book and was particularly annoyed he was said to have made offensive remarks about a West Coast resident.
“That type of speech is not me.”
Labour Party secretary Tim Barnett said Labour was seeking legal and other advice and would consider the matter at its scheduled New Zealand Council meeting at the weekend in Auckland.
“Meanwhile, we are focusing on running a positive campaign centred on the issues New Zealanders are telling us they care most about - work, home and families,” he said.
Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei said the party planned to lodge a series of complaints with the Police, Parliamentary Service, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security and the Privacy Commissioner.
She said John Key had degraded New Zealand's democracy.
“The National Government is up to its neck in dirty politics and may have broken the law while smearing opponents. The NZ public cannot have any confidence in our democracy until these claims are investigated.”
A police spokesman said any complaint received by police in relation to the book “will be assessed in line with our normal process. We cannot provide a timeline for how long this may take.”
In contrast to some of the claims in the book National wanted to reduce voter turnout, Key told those attending an Otago Chamber of Commerce function to make sure they urged their friends to vote. He expressed concern voter numbers were falling and were possibly headed to a below 70% turnout from a turnout of more than 90% six elections ago.
Labour MP Grant Robertson asked a series of questions in an emailed statement, one of which was what involvement Key or his office had in release of SIS material to Slater.
Key denied any involvement and said all the decisions to release any material were made by the SIS. And he reiterated he and his team gave no direction to Ede.
*Dene Mackenzie is political editor of the Otago Daily Times.
That's why sometimes (apparently) Cameron Slater shows both sides of the one argument. it's not because he's balanced, sometimes he's being paid from both sides, or has a personal agenda to squash someone.
On another note, here's where National policy is leading us. We have the macabre sight of Chinese workers fixing their railway wagons under warranty, with the workers being paid US$40 a day, here in NZ. What are they living on? Where are they staying? Did they bring all their food and bedding with them?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU140...se-workers.htm
Let me say loud and clear that I have not complained to Vince or any other Mod with anything to do concerning, "threatening to punch people or that people have multiple aliases, but seen as how Vince has had many complaints this week and we seem to have a serial complainer, I will make one to Vince in front of everyone so they can see it. Here we go.
Vince, I am most offended that belg has come out on ShareTrader and told everybody he has the knowhow & tools to hack peoples computers aka Nicky Hager style then gloated everyone on here that he had taken less than 10 minutes to establish my identity. The quote is below and from #5469 on page 365 of this thread. I've also sent you a P.M to direct you to this post. I like keeping it upfront and honest.
Cheers Cuzzie.
The people have voted in the latest poll. Wow look at Labour take off. Check out these numbers.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...our-at-new-low
Looks like my prediction of Labour been in the 20% club is becoming reality. The lesson is dirty negative politics doesn't work and Labour is incapable of learning that lesson. Good thing too.
BTW, it sure is a beautiful day out there and I'm happy.:)
Cuzzie, the poll can only be that low for Labour, because National's dirty tricks brigade has been running at full steam for months. Well, that process is about to be derailed. I guarantee we'll see Labour polling strongly soon.
You know how anything Shearer or Cunliffe did (or said) was nitpicked over the years and then blogged for all it was worth? Straight out of the USA liberal party copybook. Then the lazy press picks it up in NZ, because the print advert revenue dropoff means there are fewer reporters. Labour haven't been doing that, but National did it with gusto. It works, but it's not polite or ethical.
This link has the graphs. http://origin-interactives.stuff.co.nz/polling/
You know, I really do beleive that the best thing for National right now is their oppersition, or lack of it. Internet Mana has speed up the Lefts downfall. D.C is no leader and the people know it, but when your political partners are the Greens which hand brake progress, Winston Peters who has Tim Shadbolts idea of "I don't care as long as I'm Mayor"[& he doesn't care] and then enter the Internet Mana disaster which drives voters to National in droves, there was never going to be a victory for the loonie left. Meanwhile, EZ is reading his new bible and belg is looking at private photos on my computer or something. What is wrong with the left, FGS it is right in front of your nose which most Kiwis can see.
Oh right, oh OK. You've just got to laugh. EZ, try to fix the problems not explain them away. Help kickstart the Labour party if you love them so much. Climb out of the negative rubbish and do something positive for Labour. You just don't get it do you. It is not working man, Labour politics is just plainly and simply not working. Forget about their policies, they have some good ones BTW, but it is their very negative political style that will let them down every time. That book you are reading wont help you one little bit. In fact it will make you even more negative than you already are.
Cuzzie, I'm smiling from ear to ear, because the data in that book is going to boot National out, and put a Labour coalition back in charge. That poll finished before the Hager book came out, and it'll be 2-3 days before the general population get to hear much about what's in it. I can see the SST story now. It's easy press. Some comments from the "TRACY WATKINS" article you posted, show that many readers know instantly that it'll be a National Party Vote news feed, if her name is on top of it.
"Why don't you just tell us who to vote for?"
Comments
When are these pollsters going to step into the 21st Century? From Ipsos own website:
"The latest estimates put cell phone-only households at 30.2% of the population. Cell-only households, in turn, are systematically different than their landline counterparts: they tend to be less white, more liberal, less affluent, and younger."
Likewise Colmar-Brunton only survey people with landlines. The effect of these unscientific, out-dated and inaccurate methods are to skew the result and encourage low voter turnout.
The only poll that matters is the final count.
Meanwhile, other papers who hardly report it are worth reading. And the sun is shining. That's more newsworthy.
+5
Journalistic integrity hits a new low. You might as well have told us who to vote for too.
You mean kind of like this from our Labor cousins across the ditch S.P?
EZ, here are some copy & paste notes from that article for you to digest. I couldn't read your post as something appears to of gone wrong with it. Here's mine:
Labour has plumbed new depths in our latest poll as the election takes an ugly turn after a day rocked by allegations of blackmail, dirty politics and pushing and shoving on the campaign trail.The Stuff.co.nz/Ipsos Political Poll has National on 55.10 per cent, virtually unchanged from July, while Labour has sunk to 22.5, down 2.4 percentage points.
A surprise mover are the Conservatives, which have jumped to 3.4 per cent, level pegging with NZ First.
Slater said he would consider legal action forcing Hager to name the source of the leaked emails.
Key is at 54.3 per cent as preferred prime minister, compared with Labour leader David Cunliffe on 12 per cent.
The poll, of at least 1,000 New Zealand residents who are eligible to vote, is a kick in the guts to Labour, which has steadily bled support since this time last year. On today’s numbers it would lose five MPs to just 29, putting even some senior front bench MPs at risk.
National would comfortably govern alone with 72 seats.
That's what I call good reading and they are facts - cold hard facts. Not cool stories by little Nicky.
FP, since you don't have to work too hard in the line of business you're in, were you one of the 80 listening to John Key yesterday? John did look decidedly shaky on TV. He warmed up though, right? There's probably no truth in the book at all. It's all made up. Yeah right.
Quote:
15/8/2014 — Economics, Politics and Government
Key takes time to warm up in Dunedin
By Dene Mackenzie
A different type of John Key fronted up to an Otago Chamber of Commerce lunch function in Dunedin yesterday - a Prime Minister who appeared to be showing the strain of the past few days.
Key flew into the city and into a storm of controversy, facing the media pack for the first time to answer questions regarding Nicky Hager's controversial book - Dirty Politics: how attack politics is poisoning New Zealand's political environment.
Before facing the media, Key visited the Chatsford Rest Home, in Mosgiel, and then on to Forsyth Barr Stadium where about 80 people had paid between $50 and $75 to hear his view on the world.
Key did not look entirely at ease as he arrived and attempted small talk with a few of those attending before he was whisked to the front of the room and the lectern.
After a perfunctory welcome, he rose to his feet and lectured the audience in a rapid fire delivery which seemed at odds with his normal engaging style. It was a cold room and Key failed to warm it up.
The usual statistics were rolled out regarding economic growth, unemployment falling, investment in the regions, returning to surplus and the increased spending on health, education and science.
The Prime Minister seemed ill at ease for someone usually so skilled at having an audience warm to him quickly in formal situations. The audience, of ages ranging from 30 upwards, sat still totally focusing on what he was saying.
While mentioning Dunedin-listed company Scott Technology, Key seemed a bit more enthusiastic - but it was not until he started explaining MMP to the audience, and the importance of the party vote, he showed any signs of animation.
Emphasising the only vote which mattered was the party vote, Key started gesticulating as he urged those present to head home and phone 20 of their friends to urge them to vote National first then any candidate they liked, though he preferred Dunedin North candidate and Immigration Minister Michael Woodhouse and Dunedin South candidate Hamish Walker to get the tick.
He jokingly warned Waitaki MP Jacqui Dean if she did not win in a landslide, he would speak to her later - bringing the first audience laughter of the day.
John Key's first genuine and warm smile came while answering a question on tertiary education when he proudly told the audience his son Max was at Auckland University doing a double degree and two majors.
After speaking, Key took time out to talk to a few people in the audience before facing persistent questioning on Nick Hager's book. Following an unexpected public walkabout, which caught officials by surprise, Key went to the Otago Daily Times Class Act function at the Dunedin Public Art Gallery.
By now, a good-natured and ebullient John Key addressed pupils, parents, and other guests, joking to Otago Daily Times editor Murray Kirkness the newspaper might endorse the National Party on September 19, the day before the general election. This was in response to Kirkness' speech, in which the editor gave a self-professed “plug” for parents to buy copies of the newspaper featuring the secondary school achievement event.
“When you said `here's for the plug' that wasn't quite the plug I was thinking you were about to say, but you should feel free to throw that in the editorial on the 19th of September.”
Key emphasised the importance of attitude - not just ability - to achieving goals in life. He recalled his mother's advice to him growing up, which was that “you get out of life what you put into it. We have an election coming up, and if we win it I'll be back for 2015, and if we don't, I'll read about it [in the ODT].”
University Book Shop general manager Phillippa Duffy said Nick Hager’s book sold out within about two hours of arriving.
*Dene Mackenzie is political editor of the Otago Daily Times.
All copy & pasted, but get your laughing gear around this.I don’t think Hagar is behind the hacking, spying, stealing or whatever may have taken place.
"I started reading more fully the Nicky Hager book yesterday, and the footnotes in the book. To my shock I realised that Hager had info in the book that could not have come from the hacking of Cameron Slater, but could only have come from my computer, my apartment or my office.
Specifically he refers to copies of two scripts used by my company, Curia Research, this year. There is absolutely no way they could have come from Cameron Slater’s computer systems, as Cameron doesn’t have them. No one has them but me and my office.
I thought about how this could have happened. The two most likely scenarios are that my computer systems have also been hacked, or that someone physically removed the scripts from my office (or possibly apartment). All of these scenarios make me feel sick, and make me worry about the security of the 100+ staff working for me.
Some of the material is very recent – from June 2014 – just two months ago. I think the most likely thing is that someone joined the staff (we recruit often) with the purpose of acquiring material from my office. There’s no evidence of a break in, and I tend to keep my computer systems fairly secure.
I am sure the official explanation will be that the scripts just turned up in an envelope somewhere, and they have no idea how they got there. I think that is bull****. Most of my staff are young students, who I can’t imagine would suddenly decide to send a copy of my scripts to Nicky Hager in the post.
I consider this outrageous, just as I hope people would if someone from the right infiltrated the offices of the Labour Party pollsters, to steal their material.
There is no public interest defence to the stealing of the material belonging to my clients. There was nothing sinister or inappropriate in it. In fact one of the scripts detailed in the book is of some questions we did for Family First, who published the results on their website, including the full questions. But I know Hager has a copy of the script as he has quoted the question numbers, which are not included in the published results.
I do not accept that because I am a blogger, and my company has National as a client, it makes it all right for me to be hacked or spied on, and material stolen from me.
This is the second Hager book that has e-mails from or to me. In 2008 (off memory) a left wing activist gained entry to a social function I was at, and covertly tape recorded conversations. My office has been infiltrated. To be honest, I’m pretty disgusted at the moment as I consider the pattern over several years.
I don’t hold the left generally responsible. I have many many friends involved in politics on the left. I’ve appreciated their support in recent days. They are good people. I think most Labour and Green MPs are good people. But there is an extreme segment of the left who do think that it is okay to hack, steal, record and spy on others, because we are of the right.
Read the rest at Kiwiblog
But he is the recipient of the fruits of someone resourced enough to pull it off.
Worse, the material he got was highly redacted – none of it talks about left leaning parties or personalities.
As I said – doubt he’s sleeping very well. What a rushed botch job."
All right, end of copy & paste and will call it now. I think this is going to totally blow the Left wing apart and we will see multiple criminal charges against the author, the hacker, the publisher of little Nicky's book and a few more. National is heading for a landslide thanks to the loonie left, after all there is no way Labour can pull back 30%. They won't be getting any right of center votes, that is for sure. A shot in the foot, foot in the mouth abortion by the left. Jezz they are a funny bunch.
More break down from the latest poll:
The gap between the right and left blocs is 27 seats.Labour’s support by demographic is:
- Men 18%
- Women 27%
- Auckland 25%
- Upper NI 16%
- Wellington 23%
- Lower NI 30%
- Canterbury 14%
- SI 27%
- Under 30s 26%
- 30 to 44 25%
- 45 to 64 21%
- 65+ 19%
Note this poll was taken after their announcement of free GP visits for elderly New Zealanders, and after their campaign launch which is meant to be what gives you a boost in the polls. You can't fool, bribe or buy the olds, they are too wise for that rubbish!!!
There’s going to some very nervous Labour List MPs on this result, who will be cursing the unions and activists for their choice of leader. The above info is from Kiwiblog.
Think what you like about Ian Wishart, but here is the thing about him. He is in the same line as Nicky Hager more or less. The difference appears to be Ian Wishart appears to base his books on proof - absolute proof. I've read all Wisharts books - all of them. Wishart knows that anything he puts into print must be factual. So he knows the rules when writing these kinds of books. Here is Ian Wishart's take on little Nicky's poor effort.
IS NICKY HAGER AN UNETHICAL HYPOCRITE?
Man I can smell serious jail time coming.
David Farrar's main income for the Kiwiblog site and his Curia business is probably from the National Party. It pays him a retainer to (amongst other things) take a team of twelve or so canvassers into the National Party offices in Willis St, Wellington, for three nights a week. This is where John Key's polling data comes from. He's a more polite version of Whale Oil with his site, but it's still strongly pro-National, and he networks with Cameron Slater. They ping posts backwards and forwards on important issues they've been paid to 'sort out'.
The National Party work seems to be Curia's biggest client by far.
Did Ian Wishart read the same book? When I read it, the conclusion I came to was that Nicky was showing the reader the disgusting lengths that Cameron Slater would go to, to find the dirt on someone he was after. It was a personal crusade of his to get rid of Len Brown, because he was a leftie. He wasn't being paid to do this, by the sound of it. He tried it anyway, and in this case no extra information was forthcoming. The secondary reason for this behaviour was to put the fear of retaliation into anyone that crossed his path.
If you look at the disclaimer at the bottom of the article, you'll see that Ian Wishart and Nicky Hager might not be the best of mates at the moment.
Some observations on the current scandal and the implications for the election, of which I would be interested in others opinions
Firstly, I concede I could be wrong, but I am not sure, at this stage whether this a game changer for the election. Although we are a long way from the bottom of this swamp.
1.Judith Collins: game over here, her political career is finished. In contrast Paula Bennett and many other ambitious National MPs are no doubt, at this time privately delighted.
2.The unfolding scandals toxic effects will probably be delivered after the election. Numerous , rather large chickens are coming home to roost, and we must be mindful we haven't seen the GCSB, and what JK knew fully come to fruition yet.
3. It is quite possible that John Key, if National form the next government ,will not see out his term. If he senses in any way that there is a high probability that scandals will catch up with him and stick, he will bail out, gently pushed by Bill English, Paula Bennett and Michael Woodhouse.
You voting national FP?
Edit: Doesn't matter FP - I went back and looked at some of your old posts, to remind myself why you are not on my ignore list. Come on mate you are better than this. Debate the issue. If you really want to talk about Cliff, open up a thread.
Interestingly enough I was at Bramall Lane in the early 80s as a teenager, busy trying to see if I can regurgitate a repressed memory ;).
S.P & EZ, Ian Wishart has pointed out that:
Neither Brown nor Hide appear to have been asked to comment on the truth of the allegations. In fact, Hide has definitely confirmed he was not approached, and that the allegations are false and without substance.
In Nicky Hager’s new book, he has no witnesses at all; no prostitutes admitting to sleeping with Len Brown, no ex-spouse, no woman saying she was sent inappropriate texts by Rodney Hide. Hager’s entire ream of “evidence” is actually hearsay gossip, which is usually inadmissible in court.
So there you go, it can only be "hearsay gossip' at best and now the book is out that is very damning indeed. Not only is there an admission by Hager that all information has been obtained ILLEGALLY by hacking into one's computer but there is also defamation against multiple people. This can only end badly for Hager, the hacker who looks very much like being the one & only Kin Dot Com, the author and publisher of Hagers book. This could be very big news and a massive backlash for the loonie left. Any way you look at it, this can only end badly for all involved in this fabrication of fairy tales. One thing is for sure, the Lawyers are going to make plenty out of this so Hager better had sell plenty of books before it is banned. Seriously, I would be very nerious if I was Hager or the fat man right now.
Yes, I will be. As I have often said, I vote against the party or parties who I think will do most harm. This time I put Internet/Mana, The Greens and Labour in that category. Voting National is the only effective vote for me. Besides I like a lot of National's policies and certainly think they've done a good job to date.
FP, that is bull. You want to delay the onset of a CGT, not much else matters to you, does it. Which of National's steady-as-she goes, 'let's not do anything but borrow and sell off state assets' "policies" do you like the most? What other legacy will they leave behind to mark their two terms?
Great, I respect that.
If you believe Greens and Labour will do harm - then yeah, National is the way to go. On the other hand Internet/Mana, even if they are in the ruling coalition what will they have 2, maybe 3, seats? Will they really be able to have much of an impact on they way the country is run?
I do believe the smaller parties throw out extreme policies, well knowing they will never be able to implement them, it is just to scoop up the voters at the extreme of the political spectrum.
Did you watch the minor party debate on Saturday? I was surprised how well some of the candidates came across. Not the wide-eyed radicals they are made out to be.
I have nothing against a CGT. It certainly will not affect me; I've long since retired from investing and present holdings will be grandfathered. Nor will it affect property traders, as it will not apply in addition to income tax . I just hope if ever adopted it is clearly thought out and designed properly. Allah forbid we end up with crap like the Australian scheme.
Yes, watched the debate. Internet/mana are a oncer. They will split as soon as parliament reconvenes and internet will not be around in 3 years. I went to listen to Dotcom and highly Scary the other night. Hilarious nonsense. It's sad though that they get support. They could not appeal to anyone with any understanding of the world. The worst thing about them is they look to have killed off The Maori party. Tariana Turia and Pita Sharples were the best thing that ever happened in the Maori world. They sure surprised and impressed me. But your point - will internet/mana have much influence? Yes. Cunliffe will bend Hone's way on some things if they can form a coalition. Hone is licking his chops and so is Highly Scary at the prospect. That is why I donated to Kelvin Davis' electorate - cos Labour will not support or promote their own candidate, but can't come out and say so because they were critical of the Epsom arrangement. That's my sermon for today.
Hopefully they are also appealing to people who would not have otherwise voted - and here is the crux - if these new voters feel like their vote is wasted, they'll be less inclined to vote next time. On the other hand, if they do happen to get a seat and have some policies passed, hell even if it is only free beer on Fridays, they will start feeling enfranchised. And that is a good thing. An engaged voter can be influenced whereas disengaged/disenfranchised voters will eventually revolt.
I don't feel the Internet Party have a fully developed set of policies, but I can see some that they could use as bargaining tools, such as cheaper universal internet, that should be good for everyone - and many of their other policies overlap with Labour/Green policies so they could claim the win anyway.
Mana, I am not so sure - are they any particular policies of their's that you think Hone would play hard-ball with that would be bad for NZ?
One of your many problems Belge, is that you never have a fallback position for when you are wrong, your only recourse is to shut-up on the particular point/subject and hope people won't remember while you burst recklessly into print on some other subject you know little about. Nor are you ever prepared to say you don't know when you don't. Nor are you ever prepared to accept the majority verdict which you need to be able to do to live in a democracy.
Nor do you do any background reading e.g. economic history, mathematical models of the advantages of Specialisation and Free Trade which have made the 13 colonies of the USA - expanded to 50 States, followed by the EU, rich.
Here's what they will deliver according to Highly Scary. (N.B. Not would like, will, which you and I know is not possible, but I assure you some of her audience actually believe it will happen.) Her words were well chosen but an unsophisticated audience has no idea of MMP or parliamentary process.
Minimum wage will be $18.80. No GST on anything. Free education including tertiary, school breakfasts for all and a few other bits and pieces.
If people don't vote, or don't want to vote, so-be-it.
I'd hate to see compulsory voting as in Australia, where the disinterested wander in, scratch a piece of paper with no idea who or what is on it. That's far worse than not voting at all. It's one thing to tax people and use that money to buy votes as Labour do and National to a lesser extent; but another matter entirely to make out the things mentioned will happen if they get into parliament.
Yeah, I can't comment on what Laila said or promised (I can only read their policy statments on the web), I do hope there is a road show in my vicinity and at a suitable time so I can attend. (And - I really do wish we could have intelligent discussion without calling people names. I wasn't sure until I saw the "her" if you were referring to Hone or Laila.)
There is a big difference between feeling disinterested and feeling disenfranchised. The disinterested you will never reach, but are you telling me that there is such a big difference in engagement between those in the youngest age group vs those in the oldest age group? (http://www.elections.org.nz/research...ics-electorate). If there is we are doing something seriously wrong in our education system.
Sorry I go on about dis-/enfranchisement, but coming for a country that has seen the worst of it - I feel quite passionate about the situation. Two things drive crime and violence. Disenfranchisement and a huge gap between the wealthy and the poor.
My apologies for confusing you. I can see how the nick-name could equally apply to Hone Harawira.
The gap between rich and poor is not easy to close. Obviously once someone earns more than they spend, it's an easy step to build wealth. Compound interest alone makes a huge difference to someone who has built up some savings. Taxing income is the last way to redistribute the goodies.
Unfortunately you'll have to wait till my book is published if you want the answers. :D
Interesting playing around with the age groups on these stats.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...onal-in-droves
There has been a shift to the left in the under 45 groups and a shift to the right in the over 45 ones. Given overall there is a shift to the right it would seem that oldies are over represented in this survey.
Edit: Stats at bottom of linked article.
Interpretation?
I see it as the more mature voter as realising what would happen with a Labour, and who ever they need, government at this point in time.
Scares the hell out if them.
When the U.S flexes its muscles any small Govt. listens. Lange folded to little old France in a flash and Rowling couldn't sign the paper he was told to by the FBI fast enough after he said he would not. Labour has sold out many a time and no doubt National has & will do too. Nothing there belg, nada.
EZ, you must be hopping mad at Labour for selling all the asserts they sold too. Don't be a hypocrite and show some honesty here, Labour has been even more guilty than National when it comes to selling off assets.
Come on guys, I've got to say the Blue team is letting themselves down a bit when I'm not on-line. Please don't let cr@p like this get left untouched. That is just basic rubbish we hear from the left, they invented selling off the family jewels FGS.
Gosh that guy is BRIGHT isn't he?
Does that mean she wasn't plugged into the mains at the time? Or Willie wasn't? Anyway Willie did half suspect that John Key knows all about the information being fed to Whale Oil. Key will have been careful to keep his written distance, but anything verbal will be OK (as long as no-one records it..).Quote:
Willie Jackson: Ironically Mana southern candidate Georgina Beyer wasn’t phased at all..
I think Willie's reaction to it is like a large majority of voters. One big yawn, like everything else that comes from Hager and the far leftwing conspiracy theorists ! The very few that seem upset to see how politics works, on both sides, are Labour or Green voters anyway so this "book" will not have any effect on the election outcome. The poll on Radio Live showed 68% of respondents saying it would have no bearing on how their vote. I doubt very much the 32% that said it would have a bearing, were potential National voters. This shows the left has given up on fighting this election on issues important to Kiwis and, contrary to what Cunliffe said, will fight only by slinging mud. That is all they know how to do.
Below are the words of Cameron Slater. I would say Hager is seeking legal advice as we speak.
These are the three biggest lies of the Hager book.
They cannot go with out calling them out.
The first big lie is that the PM’s department “hacked” the Labour party website. This is a lie and one repeated by the NZ Herald and John Armstrong this morning.Hager’s allegations are many and varied. They are extremely serious. But one stands out. The allegation that one of John Key’s minions hacked into the Labour Party’s database is – to put it bluntly – the modern-day equivalent of the 1972 burglary of the Democratic Party’s national committee headquarters in the Watergate complex in Washington.This is a lie. The Labour party website is extremely well documented, by me at the time. The website was open to the world and anyone could access it. It was not ever hacked. Furthermore it was not the PM’s department that alerted me to the openness of the Labour party website…I had two sources, neither of which are from the PM’s department.
And everyone knows whose head rolled at the end of that saga.
The second big lie is that PM and/or the PM’s office told me about Phil Goff’s briefing from the SIS. They did not.
I wrote my own OIA and boy did I get pressure to pull my OIA. Pressure came from very senior people to actually withdraw my OIA, very serious pressure…mostly by phone. I was told it wouldn’t do the Nats any favours.
I resisted that and basically told them to piss off, I was entitled to ask an OIA and I did, proving that Phil Goff lied about his briefing.
That is but two lies that Hager and now, flush with cash, media are reporting.
I understand that Matthew Hooton is also considering some action for the baseless lies about him in the book, especially around the sponsorship of a motorhome.
Again Hager’s claims are a fiction.
Hooton had nothing to do with the sponsorship of the motorhome, it was actually arranged and gifted at the time of the Mt Albert by-election by a chap in Taupo who actually owned the motorhome, and ran a motorhome business. Sadly he committed suicide three years ago in a rather dramatic fashion that I blogged about.
That is three lies at least, and that is without even reading the book.
Cuzzie
on a totally differernt topic i am concerned that none of the right of centre posters are responding to any of my witty, well constructed posts. Its not fair. I am feeling incredibly lonely and sorry for myself. Boo Hoo. Right well I am writing this on my coffee break, back to work
Cuzzie, you're spending way too much time on the Whale Oil Blog. It's mostly paid-for blogging there. On this site, no-one gets paid to post rubbish.
Iceman, you obviously haven't read the book, I finished it yesterday, so I'd be one of just 5,000 or so in NZ, if they have all lent the book to someone or got it online..
Nicky rushed that book out, even I could flesh out a few details for him on one area he started talking about, and it would hurt another pro-National TV personality. There are heaps of nasty-looking questions that can be asked by the press now. Most of them will have to be directed at the 9th floor of the Beehive. Like SGT Pepper, I think Judith Collins will have to go. She is so up to her neck in this.
Someone else's quiet little consultancy business that pushes wealthier but poor candidates into safe National seats using the paid bloggers, will also find it tough. These people are stacking the parliament with more pro-liberal candidates, taking National further towards ACT. The sad little National electorate committees haven't got a chance against this onslaught. It's just a few people wielding all this power. It's definitely undemocratic, and it should be illegal.
Sorry S.P I have not replied to you for a while. Too busy with my own posts I guess. I looked on this page and the last and saw none to reply to. Never mind, I have here. Hope that cheers you up.
It doesn't matter if you are left of center right of center or bang in the middle, one thing for certain is we are in for one hell of a ride leading up to the election. I don't know where the N.H book will take us for sure, I know what I'd like to see happen - but I can't say for sure. Same with the election, reality is we just don't know for certain. I can say National will romp home all I like and all indications indeed point that way, but I can't say for certain. Things have been a little heated of late so will take this opportunity to wish all well leading up to the big day. I know I have gone too far in some of my posts and that will more than likely be repeated in the very near future. Religion & politics always brings out the passion in us and that means signs of us at our worse. So on that note I will pre-apologise if I pi$$ off anyone too much. Here we go.......
I have not heard about that, but maybe you misheard what they were saying, FP.
Some businesses are excluded too, small ones below $30k or so.Quote:
Labour: The 15 per cent tax on any gains between the tax being implemented and the sale of assets won't apply to the family home. While the tax will apply on the sale of farms, the gains in the value of the vendor's family home on the farm would be excluded.
I just rediscovered a blog site called "The Jackalman". He has some good left-leaning posts, including this hard-hitting but accurate one about Nicky Hager's book.
http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz/2...sociation.html