Er, Vince, were any of the complaints about me? Did I get a mention? :)
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Er, Vince, were any of the complaints about me? Did I get a mention? :)
MVT, I couldn't find anything except an insinuation he might be well off. The book mentions that if the bloggers can't find any dirt, they make it up, in their own admissions. In any case, whether Nicky Hager has independent means or not, that probably makes him a better journalist and investigative writer. He's certainly compiled good research to back up the emails and other data.
NZResources and the irrepressible Dene Mackenzie are keen to help John Key out here.
But I think John is on very dangerous ground if he continues to assert that he knows nothing about how and when Mr Ede fed data through to Cameron Slater and others. Some of that data could only have come from him, with his specific access to top secret documents.
Read the book, is my suggestion. The Whale Oil and Kiwiblog blog sites cost money to run. They are funded by businesses who have dubious products like alcohol and tobacco to promote, by wannabe electoral candidates for safe seats, and in particular by the National Party itself. They are fed some of the blog posts by all and sundry, and the time of placement is prescribed. Sometimes the volume is overwhelming, depending on how much they need to move opinion, and how important it is. It's all in the book (Dirty Politics).Quote:
The book: Key shifts blame to the left
By Dene Mackenzie
Prime Minister John Key believes an orchestrated campaign by left-wing activists led up to the release on Wednesday of Nicky Hager's book which contained damning allegations against the National Party.
First, came the Kim Dotcom video encouraging young people to chant “F...k John Key”. Then came an effigy of his likeness being burnt and posted online, followed by a billboard defacement campaign and a parody song, since ruled out by the Electoral Commission.
“Then comes the book containing baseless allegations.” Asked in Dunedin about Hager's book - Dirty Politics: How attack politics is poisoning New Zealand's political environment - John Key said Hager joined a whole lot of dots that could not be connected.
“There has been a build up from the left all week until Wednesday. That's when you have people saying we can't beat National on policy let's throw muck and see what happens.”
Key, despite constant questioning, denied any involvement of the National Party, his staff or National Party staff in the allegations contained in the book.
He constantly attempted to turn around the allegations against the political left. And, while not saying the emails were a work of fiction, the Prime Minister carefully skirted around the issue saying he was unlikely to take a serious look at any of the allegations. He was not likely to read the book before the election and his staff had said there was nothing for Key to investigate, he said.
John Key said he would be happy for any investigation to be undertaken by any agency into the allegations, and when told the Green Party wanted a Royal Commission inquiry, he urged them to go for it.
He again accused Nick Hager of being a left-wing conspiracy theorist and said any actions undertaken by Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater were undertaken solely by Slater and not under direction of the National Party.
Some of the damning emails published by Hager alleged conspiracy between National Party staff member Jason Ede and Slater. But Key gave a tacit approval if Ede had undertaken trawling through Labour's website after Slater alerted the site was open to public scrutiny.
Key denied to the Otago Daily Times he had any involvement in any of the allegations contained in the book and was particularly annoyed he was said to have made offensive remarks about a West Coast resident.
“That type of speech is not me.”
Labour Party secretary Tim Barnett said Labour was seeking legal and other advice and would consider the matter at its scheduled New Zealand Council meeting at the weekend in Auckland.
“Meanwhile, we are focusing on running a positive campaign centred on the issues New Zealanders are telling us they care most about - work, home and families,” he said.
Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei said the party planned to lodge a series of complaints with the Police, Parliamentary Service, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security and the Privacy Commissioner.
She said John Key had degraded New Zealand's democracy.
“The National Government is up to its neck in dirty politics and may have broken the law while smearing opponents. The NZ public cannot have any confidence in our democracy until these claims are investigated.”
A police spokesman said any complaint received by police in relation to the book “will be assessed in line with our normal process. We cannot provide a timeline for how long this may take.”
In contrast to some of the claims in the book National wanted to reduce voter turnout, Key told those attending an Otago Chamber of Commerce function to make sure they urged their friends to vote. He expressed concern voter numbers were falling and were possibly headed to a below 70% turnout from a turnout of more than 90% six elections ago.
Labour MP Grant Robertson asked a series of questions in an emailed statement, one of which was what involvement Key or his office had in release of SIS material to Slater.
Key denied any involvement and said all the decisions to release any material were made by the SIS. And he reiterated he and his team gave no direction to Ede.
*Dene Mackenzie is political editor of the Otago Daily Times.
That's why sometimes (apparently) Cameron Slater shows both sides of the one argument. it's not because he's balanced, sometimes he's being paid from both sides, or has a personal agenda to squash someone.
On another note, here's where National policy is leading us. We have the macabre sight of Chinese workers fixing their railway wagons under warranty, with the workers being paid US$40 a day, here in NZ. What are they living on? Where are they staying? Did they bring all their food and bedding with them?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU140...se-workers.htm
Let me say loud and clear that I have not complained to Vince or any other Mod with anything to do concerning, "threatening to punch people or that people have multiple aliases, but seen as how Vince has had many complaints this week and we seem to have a serial complainer, I will make one to Vince in front of everyone so they can see it. Here we go.
Vince, I am most offended that belg has come out on ShareTrader and told everybody he has the knowhow & tools to hack peoples computers aka Nicky Hager style then gloated everyone on here that he had taken less than 10 minutes to establish my identity. The quote is below and from #5469 on page 365 of this thread. I've also sent you a P.M to direct you to this post. I like keeping it upfront and honest.
Cheers Cuzzie.
The people have voted in the latest poll. Wow look at Labour take off. Check out these numbers.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...our-at-new-low
Looks like my prediction of Labour been in the 20% club is becoming reality. The lesson is dirty negative politics doesn't work and Labour is incapable of learning that lesson. Good thing too.
BTW, it sure is a beautiful day out there and I'm happy.:)
Cuzzie, the poll can only be that low for Labour, because National's dirty tricks brigade has been running at full steam for months. Well, that process is about to be derailed. I guarantee we'll see Labour polling strongly soon.
You know how anything Shearer or Cunliffe did (or said) was nitpicked over the years and then blogged for all it was worth? Straight out of the USA liberal party copybook. Then the lazy press picks it up in NZ, because the print advert revenue dropoff means there are fewer reporters. Labour haven't been doing that, but National did it with gusto. It works, but it's not polite or ethical.
This link has the graphs. http://origin-interactives.stuff.co.nz/polling/
You know, I really do beleive that the best thing for National right now is their oppersition, or lack of it. Internet Mana has speed up the Lefts downfall. D.C is no leader and the people know it, but when your political partners are the Greens which hand brake progress, Winston Peters who has Tim Shadbolts idea of "I don't care as long as I'm Mayor"[& he doesn't care] and then enter the Internet Mana disaster which drives voters to National in droves, there was never going to be a victory for the loonie left. Meanwhile, EZ is reading his new bible and belg is looking at private photos on my computer or something. What is wrong with the left, FGS it is right in front of your nose which most Kiwis can see.
Oh right, oh OK. You've just got to laugh. EZ, try to fix the problems not explain them away. Help kickstart the Labour party if you love them so much. Climb out of the negative rubbish and do something positive for Labour. You just don't get it do you. It is not working man, Labour politics is just plainly and simply not working. Forget about their policies, they have some good ones BTW, but it is their very negative political style that will let them down every time. That book you are reading wont help you one little bit. In fact it will make you even more negative than you already are.