Luxon is hardly skin and bones which is what 60 bucks would bring for his family.
It sounds as made up as 60k.
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Maybe he should have added that he is so wealthy he doesn't really need to think about that sort of thing. Ask the bottom feeders they are the ones that need to budget.
If he cuts govt spending like he cuts his grocery bill NZ should be in surplus before too long, happy days.
Heard an elderly neighbour say, "I don't like Chris Luxon one bit, & as for that Nicola Willis, she's dreadful, awful,... but ahh I gave my Party vote to National because that nice man who does voluntary work at the Public Gardens I think he does fundraising for National."
Gward, you can only laugh.
They have had 6 years laughing at the entertainment from Labour/Greens, now see what Labour have done
coming through in their spiked COL & Grocery bills.
Not difficult to see why Labour will never be popular with the bulk of the elderly who have basically been
ignored by Labour, their savings devalued at Labour's hands to fraction of previous worth, a Health Sector turned into a shambles and their Super not going as far as previously by a country mile, and our Communities turned into a Crime cesspit under Labour.
The real laugh will be when the closing curtains go down with the Organ Grinders and Monkey getting
rapidly shunted off stage for a job very badly performed after Kiwi's have then been fed a further
bunch of lies on how the pile Labour leave behind is so glowingly good :)
Glowingly good probably until 5 minutes after, should Labour / Greens and hanger ons get near the line,
then it will be screams of something far worse and sinister ;)
Large Holes suddenly reappear. Unions go back to screaming hard done by, COL spikes upwards, Fuel prices go up by 12c Litre, more of the same incompetence in Education, Housing, Homelessness, Crime, a regime that looks to gut more of the Country's wealth on any excuse to justify & fund more chapters of it's own lack of progress and incompetence ..
That's Labour .. a cause which squanders the Nation's prosperity, which can't see the trajectory in pushing NZ eventually further towards Third World status, if not kicked out first ;)
There are rules about posting anything that is intended to influence how people vote from midnight before election day until 7 PM on election day. There has been discussion about this here on ST in the past and it was agreed to adhere to this rule, to show respect to the owner of the site. I suggest we do the same now.
https://elections.nz/guidance-and-ru.../social-media/
Cheers - worthwhile reminder.
BTW - it is a rule from the electoral commission - and if people don't follow, the commission does have some teeth ;) ;
https://elections.nz/guidance-and-ru...-election-day/
Election day rules of the electorate commission:
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You can’t influence voters
Don’t influence voters or tell them to vote or not vote for a candidate or party.
This rule applies to websites and social media
Don’t post anything to social media or a website on election day that could influence voters. Also make sure your profile pictures on social media don’t include anything that could influence voters.
You may only keep existing election material up on a website or social media if all the following apply.
You don’t update it on election day
It’s only available to people who choose to access it
The site isn’t advertised
Well, he got his dream to "manage an economy". All it took was 20 bucks.
Just heard Luxon's victory speech. Very good. Statesmanlike and sensible.
Congratulations to Luxon and national on the victory
Yes, well all those who get the $20, or much more, will be able to afford some band aids and Elastplast to patch over and heal the wounds of all the division Labour caused.
No more bridges to nowhere and other white elephants that Auckland did not ask for.
The Mongrel Mob will have to use their own ill gotten gains to pay for their dodgy meth rehab scheme which included mowing the Waipawa gang bosses lawns.
No more woke ideas being used to control lives.
Farmers can get on and produce some food for the nation and the world without being restrained with dumb ideas.
Wage earners no longer in fear of even more tax burden as Robbo and co screw them to give to the wastrels.
It looks like the best $20 ever saved!
All Blacks through to semi-finals!
Excellent omen for the new government to take NZ towards a brighter and better future.
The majority of NZers have voted for change and a path away from the divisiveness, incompetence & wasteful spending of the last 6 years. A lot of hard work ahead though to turn NZ around.
I can not wait to see what is dished up to us from the NZ media going forward. I have never seen such a biased media anywhere in the free world that we have been exposed to here for the last few years.
$55m buys a lot of media obedience, especially from the likes of Stuff.
Just go back and look at the conditions imposed by Ardern, Hipkins, Willie Jackson & the Maori cabal to access the dirty money.
Anything that the Labour government wanted, the likes of Stuff happily complied to get its hands on the grubby money imo.
The good news is that a majority of NZers not only saw through the bias but were repulsed by it.
White middle class NZers said enough yesterday.
I hope the new Government will instigate a "conversation" with the news media about getting back to their job of reporting and end the continuous misleading and political activism.
We have lots of opinion commentators from across the political spectrum which is great but a decent unbiased news media is sadly missing. The media and it's political commentators should really take a good hard look at themselves and ask themselves how they got it so wrong.
I agree very Luxon’s victory speech was very statesmanlike. And my reaction was SPIN!
How is he going to actually deliver? He didn’t articulate that in his campaigning.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67110387
"My pledge to you is that our government will deliver for every New Zealander," Luxon said, adding that he would "build the economy and deliver tax relief".
"We will bring down the cost of living. We will restore law and order," he said.
"We will deliver better health care and we will educate our children so that they can grow up to live the lives they dream of."
"People don't really think that New Zealand is doing better than the rest of the world because they are hurting," said local economist Brad Olsen.
Given the results last night, which give National a strong mandate to form a Government, but is unlikely to be able to forma strong National/ACT only Government. Should National lose one vote with the specials and then gain another one from the Port Waikato by-election, they will end up with 61 combined out of 122. That is not a majority. EVen if they got one seat majority, that is not a stable Government and will always be at risk of losing support from the odd MP.
I therefore think Luxon should immediately start talks to form a Government with some form of assistance from NZF.
It is really silly that we have to wait 2-3 weeks for special votes to be counted. Why does it take so long with the technology available in 2023 ?
Agree - Luxon will need another partner for a stable government, and it is up to his own doing that the only other partner available will be Winston. Pretty dumb, given that Winston will no doubt play the long game and extract as much as possible from National for their support.
While I agree that it would be the best for the country to start negotiations soon and set up a government ASAP, I doubt that this will play into Winstons' hands. Remember - the longer he waits, the more he will get.
Good question. Better question would be: why do we need special votes at all? In other countries you solve the problem that not everybody can be at polling day in their electorate with allowing postal votes, which need to be posted in time to arrive prior to polling day. Simple process and no delays when counting the votes.
Just goes to show the alleged Nat gent who popped down to 21 year old TPM candidate Hana in Huntly, to wish her well did no harm at all.
Not only did she dislodge the Mahuta dynasty, she gave the most honest answer on election night.
When asked on Maori TV as a reflection on her victory, did she expect in her wildest dreams any of this to happen, she paused, then said, no, not at all!
I have family who have not lived here for over 30 years and probably never will again yet still get to vote. It actually annoys me. They have no real idea what it is like living here.
I'm undecided. I was a senior Public Servant during the Shipley-Peters fiasco, and I don't think a 3 way shambles will be particularly good for the country. National/ACT is certainly more likely to get stuff done than National/ACT/NZF, but I suspect that the stuff they get done won't be stuff that makes life better for most people
Interest dav.
I came across these comments this morning -
My main consolation, having worked in the public service under a National led govt before, is that they don't really do very much ….. Of course, the problem with this is that they don't do much good at all, but also, they are much worse at getting the machinery of the public service to achieve their ideological goals
Luxon said he will deliver for every nzer I will hold him to that.
The election is over. You got what you wanted. We have put up with your constant stream of personal attacks, judgmental accusations and disrespectful criticisms for months. Enough is enough Balance. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by continuing to persecute people. Just take your win and celebrate it. You should be happy now - time for everyone to move on and focus on what this new government does. You no longer have any need to convince anyone of anything. It’s over. So I repeat … just stop. Please.
Does a typical "contribution" from Balance on offmarket and political threads advance understanding of the issues, provide factual material relevant to the discussion, or any new or original perspective?
Or does it typically consist of a mixture of deliberate misinformation, outright lies, ad hominem argument, personal abuse, and "cut and paste" talking points of the week.
Balance does for meaningful discussion what the Hindenburg did for airships.
I might well have written that. I had lots of experience at the "pain face" in health, justice, and education, and a little experience further up the system developing, implementing, and evaluating policy.
Most of my colleagues at both levels really wanted to make effective interventions that would make people's lives better, and the machinery of the Public Service generally allowed and enabled them to do so.
Sometimes, under the Shipley/Peters government we found ourselves directed to implement ideologically based policies that we knew would not work because we were directed to do so despite our advice.
They didn't
I admit, I would as well prefer to see Winston out of the game, but not sure this is realistic. Don't forget - the votes of some 500k Australian kiwi voters have not yet been counted, and normally they go for Maori / Green and Left.
Sure - possible that the Covid experience changed their views, but not quite certain ...
If the player’s view is that a NZer has no culture or heritage unless they are a Maori or adopt Maori culture, I believe anyone has the right to question snd challenge any other views held by said player.
I will criticise Hitler the person anytime (if I had the opportunity) as he was incapable of saying or writing any worthwhile view.
No doubt, BP, you would argue that is playing the player and not the ball.
Anyway back to National.
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I expected a relief rally given that NZ shook off the yoke of a socialist government - and what happens? Markets down ...
But maybe punters just still too intoxicated from the victory parties or still fighting with their hang-over. Lets hope the Australians are able to correct the picture when they wake up :) ;
I just hope that no football team has to suffer under your contribution. I never met anybody with such problems to distinguish between player and ball like you do :) ;
How can you attack the personal professional skills of a poster whom you don't even know just because he shares some observations about your favorite government you might not like?
Nothing about my favourite government - his views on the racist and divisive path that NZ has been taken down towards our collective destruction as a country.
That’s what my disdain for any of davflaws’ views is about - Maori culture = only culture.
Just get with the rhythm of the discussion or are you incapable of doing that?
Bjauck ..NZX got worse when ASX opened
Should go back to first past the post …this election clear cut 45 Nats 17 Labour Others 9
Save a lot of bother
https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/16-10-2023/the-bulletin-business-property-investors-delighted-with-national-win
The Bulletin: Business, property investors delighted with National win
The business sector will be very happy with the election result, commentators tell the Herald’s Tamsyn Parker (paywalled). While “a change in government won’t be a silver bullet for bringing down inflation or fixing New Zealand’s fiscal situation”, business confidence is already on the rise, they tell her, and will be further bolstered by the prospect of National and Act being able to govern alone.
Westpac chief economist Kelly Eckhold says financial markets may be slightly more volatile than usual during the post-election negotations. “However, [the] centre-right’s strong performance on the night will help to assuage some uncertainty.” Also celebrating are those involved in the real estate industry. The prospect of National’s pro-landlord policies such as the reinstatement of mortgage interest deductibility has made property investor Steve Goodey a “very happy camper”, he tells Stuff’s Susan Edmunds, while over on The Kākā, Bernard Hickey says he predicts “the housing market will take off again, from today. I stick with my view residential land prices will rise 20% because of this result.”
There is no question that Muldoon's policies were unsustainable, but my understanding is that the Rogergnomes deliberately and consciously subverted the political process of policy development to introduce a whole suite of neoliberal policies with complete disregard of the damage to the country's economy that a more gradual approach would have avoided.
I understand that other countries managed to introduce neoliberal reforms more gradually, and with better results in purely economic terms.
The social damage that Rogernomics and its daughter Ruthenasia inflicted was even greater in terms of increasing inequality and providing huge windfall gains for a small subset of already very wealthy individuals. Ruthenasia in particular added to rather than subtracted from the sum total of human misery.
FPP would not solve or change our NZ specific special problem with the special votes. The problem is not the electoral system, but the need for special votes and quite arduous procedures to process them. Maybe we should use less no 8 wire to solve problems and use instead sensible rules for voting (like allowing postal votes which need to arrive latest at election day at the election office). Most other countries do it like that, but clearly too hard for us.
But this is probably too easy for us. We do have a very special system for our special New Zealand requirements (whatever they might be) - i.e. we probably should not complain that we are a bit slower than anybody else in deciding the outcome of an election.
Our election rules are just special :t_up: ;
Now if we repeat that with a couple of subtle word changes
There is no question that Muldoon's policies were unsustainable, but my understanding is that Ardern's Marxist agenda deliberately and consciously subverted the political process of policy development to introduce a whole suite of racist policies with complete disregard of the damage to the country's economy that a more gradual approach would have avoided.
Anyone spot this -
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/elon-m...PWKIYNOTXLRQ4/
Elon Musk congratulates National’s Christopher Luxon on election win
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Congratulations regarding the National Party’s election win are coming from around the world, with Elon Musk the latest to weigh in.
“Congratulations and thank goodness!” Musk wrote on X (formerly Twitter) in response to a post by Luxon.
Another ****ty day in Wellington ....rain and 110km winds on Speedy's walk .....National hasn't improved the weather .....should have voted Greens after all
And she still believes that she represents only the Greens, not Wellington Central. So you guys & gals sure know how to pick them!
Said she declined to be interviewed by Hoskings as her Green members are hurt by what he says! Never mind the fact that she has been elected to represent the interests of Wellington Central.
Let’s hope that National cut 10,000+ civil servants added on by Labour - they have gone and achieved nothing except spent money and made life more difficult for the rest of NZers.
Add on their dependants and partners and that should mean 20,000+ votes less when they are kicked out of Wellington.
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL23...rs-options.htm
Christopher Luxon will now wear the mantle of being the nation’s leader – and if need be, can exert the power that comes with it – as he attempts to make reality conform to National’s slogans and soundbites.
He’s promising to govern for all New Zealanders, including everyone who didn’t vote for him. Good soundbite.
That noble sentiment though, is hard to square with the centre-right’s publically stated plans to freeze the minimum wage for three years, to re-introduce 90 day fire-at-will employment trials, to reduce personal grievance protections against workplace harassment, to give landlords a multi-billion dollar tax break by letting them write off the interest payments on their rental properties, to allow landlords to evict tenants with needing a reason, to invite people to rob their future by using their Kiwisaver savings to pay their housing rental bonds, to spend extra billions on Defence, to impose a five year lifetime limit on welfare support for the jobless, to lower corporate taxes, impose cashless welfare cards on long term beneficiaries, to create more charter schools able to expose kids to unqualified teachers, to permanently lower the tax burden on the wealthy, to scrap Fair Pay Agreements, to abolish the Maori Health Authority, to spend millions on sending young offenders to punitive boot camps known to fail, to bring back Three Strikes, to escalate the culture wars over gender fluidity, to re-open the export trade in live animals, to reduce the sentencing discretion of judges, to raise the retirement age, to give farmers an extra five year holiday from changing their climate damaging practices, to remove sanctions on dairy farming’s pollution of our lakes and rivers, and to reduce healthy homes protections.
New Zealand is going to be subject to change alright. It is going to involve a Great Leap Backwards to the early 1990s. Right on cue, Ruth Richardson has re-emerged into daylight.
You got it wrong as usual.
Labour took NZ back to the 1840s.
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=500w
Wellington with 2 Green MPs and former Green Chief of Staff as Mayor ……think they have a ‘mandate’ from the citizens to progress things like eliminating CBD traffic and building a light rail network …….but the Nats say they going to stop all that nonsense and build new motorways and tunnels for cars
Go the Nats ….put it up the Greens
Civil servants are always going to vote left - plenty of jobs, great perks and never ending $$$ for zero responsibility.
National is their worse nightmare as their ministers demand accountability.
Gone - the CYA reports from consultants and advisors running into the hundreds of millions of dollars. Them civil servants are going to have to work and take responsibility for delivery.
Here's to Erica Stanford becoming Education Minister - someone who actually wants children and students to achieve in schools, polytechs and universities rather than be indoctrinated with woke nonsense.
See the video.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...-election.html
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/c...3a1c2e~mv2.jpg
I thought this was pretty funny...
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We would have arrived at a position that reflects the political views which have recently prevailed - and we will see how that works out in due course. You may be right in relation to the speed of change proposed. You are certainly right in respect of a failure to explain the proposed changes.
You are just as wrong in characterising them as "racist" as you are about covid and global warming
Inflation coming in lower than expected - another positive for the incoming National government.
Heck, the ABs could very well bring home the RWC on 29 October! Just in time for the Nov 3rd final election tally.
Yes, I was facing the truth and the reality when I listed National’s policies. The buck is being passed to those at the bottom who have not benefitted from decades of neoliberalism. Rich get richer, poor get poorer.
"The buck stops here" means taking responsibility for one's actions and decisions and not passing the responsibility to someone else.
So out of the 22 National policy intentions I listed there are 13 policies which impose restrictions and extra burdens on those at the bottom such as low paid workers, beneficiaries, renters.
There are seven policies which reduce restrictions and give more to those at the top eg landlords, lower corporate taxes and lower taxes on the wealthy, allow farmers to pollute.
Yes, great cartoon. If National wants Winnie to get into bed with them, they will find the price has gone up since 1996.
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2310/S00024/on-the-election-and-labours-options.htm
The sentimentally inclined will find it fitting that in the twilight of his career, Winston Peters is willing to fly back under the wing of the National Party where he began his political career. Ironically, Peters left that political home in 1993 in rebellion against the very same neo-liberal policies that Christopher Luxon and David Seymour now seem determined to resurrect.
Peters must be feeling déjà vu at the prospect of (a) being back roughly where he started, and (b) still having to deal with the same ideological differences with his new partners, as he did when battling it out with Ruth Richardson 30 years ago.
Back then, Peters knew that PM Jim Bolger was a pragmatist who had more in common with him than Bolger did with a zealot like Richardson. That’s not going to be the case this time around. Peters is going to find it harder to score significant gains, without becoming a captive to a globalisation agenda that he – and the NZF faithful – personally despise. For a guy wishing to ensure that New Zealand First will have a future once he’s gone, that’s a problem.
National don’t have to give tax cuts at a time when there is also concern, sometimes from the same people who also want tax cuts, about how much government debt there is. There is a contradiction there. People want tax cuts but they also want improved health services and education.
National policies include $14.6 billion in income tax cuts which seems like an election bribe to me, and would have influenced some people to vote National.
Then they have other policies that increase spending or reduce taxes:
- to spend extra billions on Defence,
- to lower corporate taxes,
- to permanently lower the tax burden on the wealthy,
- to spend millions on sending young offenders to punitive boot camps known to fail,
- to give landlords a multi-billion dollar tax break by letting them write off the interest payments on their rental properties
Perhaps National realise how much high-taxes can slow or even choke an economy. It is vital to allow the enterprising to get on with doing their thing. Mr. Laffer will tell you all about that.
https://www.google.com/search?q=laff...hrome&ie=UTF-8
According to Laffer’s theory, tax revenues are almost zero at extreme rates.
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I agree that we have a biased media. We probably disagree about the bias though. I actually call it unprofessional and disrespectful as in this article which is doing a disservice to New Zealanders who expect better. I refer to the reporter’s questions to the Labour candidate about being ashamed and embarrassed about the result and how she had done so badly. This is shaming. It sows a seed that the person did badly, just as asking if someone is a paedophile would even if the person denies it.
Watch - 'What a ridiculous question': White 'proud' of election result despite narrow margin in Labour stronghold (msn.com)
On the preliminary results, Helen White has reduced Labour's almost 20,000 vote margin from the last election to just 103.
Newshub Political Editor Jenna Lynch said on election night that White "should be ashamed of herself" about that result.
Newshub asked White whether she was embarrassed about almost losing the Mt Albert seat.
"No, I'm really, really proud of my result," White responded.
Newshub followed up by asking how she had done so badly.
That's a Laffer! Top economists unanimously reject that tax cuts will yield higher revenue.
https://okpolicy.org/thats-a-laffer-top-economists-unanimously-reject-that-tax-cuts-will-yield-higher-revenue/
Would an income tax cut foster so much economic growth that tax revenues would actually go up? In other words, can tax cuts pay for themselves? A new poll of 40 of America’s foremost economic experts was unable to find a single one in agreement with the assertion.
The idea that tax cuts pay for themselves, closely associated with economist Arthur Laffer and ‘supply-side economics’, is an article of faith that has been promoted by tax cut proponents for over four decades.
Not aware of any evidence in recent history where tax cuts actually raise revenue. Sorry, Laffer (David Autor, MIT);
May look plausible on a cocktail napkin (or at a cocktail party), but not true empirically in the US (Anil Kashyup, Chicago)
That’s a Laffer! (Richard Thaler, Chicago)
That did not happen in the past. No reason to think it would happen now (Kenneth Judd, Harvard);
Moon landing was real. Evolution exists. Tax cuts lose revenue. The research has shown this a thousand times. Enough already (Austin Golsbee, Chicago)
Excellent example of how the media protected the Labour government from proper scrutiny :
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...i-allan-speech
WTF BS is this excuse for not releasing the full transcript of Kiri Allan's speech :
"RNZ refused the requests for the full speech on the basis that it was necessary to protect Allan’s privacy, the privacy of other individuals and to protect “the tikanga of RNZ and its kaimahi”.
https://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.ne...ter&quality=75