Yawn - nothing compared with the Maori Party bottom line of a wealth tax which Hipkins has staked his leadership on.
Try harder, BS - Hipkins’ falling poll rating must be screwing up your mind.
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Iceman, while you minimise the comment that you'd think they were paid by National, Mike Hosking is a talkback host AND he is a supporter of the center-right National party and is often openly critical of the Labour-led government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Hosking
Meanwhile, here’s the ex police minister Hipkins and Ginny #4 police minister crying crocodile tears over the dairy robbery in Auckland yesterday.
Anyone out there believe the two hypocrites after their pro-crime & pro-gang policies?
Time for a change - vote in National & ACT.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-wi...KIE76FEWC7XGU/
“People should be safe in their businesses. I’m going to back the police completely ... and where necessary, we are changing the law to be able to give the police more tools to do that,” Hipkins said.
Police and Justice Minister Ginny Andersen called the attack a “completely abhorrent act of violence”.
“My thoughts are with the victims and their family,” Andersen said. ”This is something that no New Zealander should have to experience.”
In the article Act’s justice spokesperson Nicole McKee said “workers on the frontline are facing an increasingly violent New Zealand.”
“Dairy owners and other small retailers are now putting themselves inside cages so criminals can’t get behind the counter. There is no place for this kind of senseless violence in New Zealand,” she said.
Calling it senseless violence is not helpful. Senseless violence? Really? We do understand the violence by asking the people who commit it why they did it, and understanding the context of violence in their life. There is plenty of research to show violence begets violence.
Making Sense of Senseless Violence.
“As a sociology professor and researcher at Harvard, I learned about such violence by talking to men and women who were leaving prison and returning to neighborhoods around Boston. Violence shrouded this research. Many people I spoke to had explosive tempers, delivered beatings, stabbings, and shot at their assailants. As teenagers, they got in brutal fights. And after prison, in their thirties and forties, some continued to raise hell among their partners, children, and neighbors.”
“Most of those I interviewed were victims of serious violence and witnesses to violence since early childhood,’ says Professor Bruce Western.
Untreated addiction, mental illness, homelessness, and deep poverty combined to produce environments in which the respondents were often victims one day and offenders the next.
Violence and the abuse of children, in particular, prick our moral reflexes. We shrink away and demonize the abusers. But violent environments rarely present a bright line between victims and offenders. People who commit the most horrifying crimes have often suffered the darkest victimization.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...eless-violence
That's an unusual response.
Unless you think Labour, Greens & Te Pati Maori are going to win the election, therefore negotiating a coalition agreement, why are you still worried & bringing up Te Pati Maori's bottom line as a counter to a NAT/ACT?NZF coalition ?
It's irrelevant, that ship has long since sailed! Or don't you think?
On current polling the focus now (for most of us ) is on the policies, plausibility & integrity of the next govt & make up of Cabinet which is short of a major scandal or trip up, is clearly going to be National & ACT or most likely National ACT & NZF.
Will Luxon learn
Christopher Luxon apologises for tax policy inaccuracies - immediately repeats error
While campaigning in New Plymouth today, Luxon apologised for when the words “up to” had been missing, which even happened in one of the party’s official press releases.
“If I’ve missed that a couple of times, I apologise for that.”
He then immediately made the same mistake in explaining what the policy meant for certain people.
“If you think about the 130,000 families that actually will be entitled to our family boost tax care rebate to deal with the early childhood costs that they have - that’s another $150 a fortnight. Think about an average median income, single earner, that’s $50 a fortnight.”
Prompted by media about whether he should have said “up to”, Luxon replied: “I said ‘up to’, up to $150.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...EMN6GVZYOFBXA/
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And here’s another scumbag on electronic bail, the robber who critically injured the dairy owner in Auckland 2 days ago, courtesy of Labour’s ‘be kind’ to criminals as they are also ‘victims of crime’.
Roll on October 14th so NZ can move forward with law & order in favour of victims and the general public than criminals & gangs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-wi...D3IM5LXC7YD5E/
The 24-year-old facing multiple charges after two people were stabbed in an Auckland dairy yesterday was on electronic bail at the time.
He is charged with two counts of wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm and one count of resisting police.
Prosecutor Sam Papp told an Auckland District Court hearing on the matter that police wanted media to publish the fact that police had opposed granting him electronic bail earlier this year for another matter.
Final election poll is here:
https://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showth...-the-election!
Haha, Grant Robertson getting under Nicola Willis's skin over National's FUBAR tax policies.
....in response to National's frequent ( e.g. Luxon on National's Social Media adverts', Luxon on live interviews) misleading messaging on the heavily promoted $250 tax cut which contrary to all perceptions excludes over 99% of the 1.6 million average Kiwi families with children.
Grant says "This is not Briscoes sale Nicola. It's meant to be a tax policy. You can't say up to $250."
A defensive Nicola acidly responds .."Are you implying I am somehow a Briscoes saleswoman, because I think that's unfortunate Mr Robertson. "
Well worth a watch, Current Finance Minister Grant Robertson v probable next Finance Minister Nicola Willis.
A couple of things to come out of this,
Nicola admits National's policy around the Emergency Climate Change fund & ETS will directly cause an increase to the cost of petrol & electricity, to help pay for tax cuts. ( which in my view is going to hit lower income families harder esp since NAT/ACT will be removing the EV subsidy to help people transition from petrol to EV's & the power bill is a major cost in families budgets ).
Need to sell off $5 billion of NZ homes off to foreigners every year to help pay for tax cuts.
Winston Peters & NZF promising to pay for Residential Care with an extra 2,000 beds costing 2.2 billion over 3 years,
and Rates Relief for Pensioners costing 2 billion, - will be interesting to see how National who will need NZF is going to fund all this plus tax cuts without further borrowing.
Personally I can't understand how anyone can rationally reconcile tax cuts at the same time as saying the economy is so badly damaged, it reminds me of the disastrous Tories policies in England, Liz Truss or Boris Johnson. Look at the state of England now!
At least Grant is saying the country can't afford tax cuts right now.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...statement.html
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He should know. He has spent the last 6 years burning it.
Robbo talking about tax cuts is like a prostitute talking about virginity and chastity.
Or like a drunk talking about being a teetotaller.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/y...FKYI257OPA.JPG
Yip, 52 billion in Covid cash with what to show for it? Let Winne have his 2000 extra beds, he's going to be needing one soon enough and he's earnt it. The things that COULD have been done. A new hospital in every city and a huge increase in social housing? At least we own a few motels right? I have a feeling more got spent on road cones and mandate enforcement.
Hey Balance, you see this…
@CranmerWrites
Concerning news from New Lynn electorate yesterday. A car was driven towards towards National Party supporters who were standing on the side of the road with placards before swerving and stopping. Driver got out of car and was abusive and aggressive towards the group, assaulting one of the group before Police arrived. Police report the offender as holding a Labour Party placard. Offender was taken into custody and car searched, revealing cannabis and evidence of dealing. Offender is due to appear in the Waitakere District Court tomorrow charged with Common Assault, Wilful Damage and Possession of Cannabis for Supply. Other traffic offences may be added.
Luxon really does need Willis to clean up what he says, though she isn't much better.
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Luxon and Nats imploding ……won’t be government next week
In some respects probably good they show true worth now and not when in power
Wasteful spending by National if National sends the voters back to the polls because of a no-deal with NZ First.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-national-warns-very-real-possibility-of-no-deal-with-nz-first-sending-voters-back-to-the-polls/SEDJLYGOEVHV5DABMIJQZV3JQ4/
Election 2023: National warns “very real possibility” of no-deal with NZ First, sending voters back to the polls
The National Party has ramped up its efforts to try to stop NZ First holding the balance of power by raising the prospect of a second election, warning there was “a very real and growing possibility” National could not get a deal done, or of a hung parliament.
It comes as polls show it is increasingly likely National will need both NZ First and Act to form a government, despite National leader Christopher Luxon’s pleas to voters to deliver a clear two-party hand to him.
An uncritical media were culpable in promoting National's main campaign promise, the FUBAR tax policy, repeating the parties own spin with headlines like,
"Families in line for $250 a fortnight under National tax cut" - The Press
"National's tax plan offers average households with kids $250 and Kiwi workers $50 a fortnight." - the Herald
"National promises $250 more a fortnight for average households" - Interest.co.nz
"National's Big Bang tax announcement a good political move" - Jessica Much-McKay TVNZ
The media spent more time questioning how they were going to pay for it than realising (or anyone correcting them) that an average individual without kids might get $4.15 per week instead of $250 a fortnight.
And eventually when the CTU & a couple of journalists put the numbers to Nicola Willis, they were initially met with bluster & accusations of smear tactics by Labour, until National had to admit they knew all along they would only go to 3000 out of millions of families & households.
You have to wonder just how far ahead in the polls National would be if the public hadn't been so misled these last few weeks.
An interesting read.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/progr...licy-headlines
Desperation from the left again. Have you ever wondered whether Labour is as far behind as it is because they have mislead the voters on nearly every issue for close to 6 years ? You are seriously under estimating voter sentiment if you think they have been turned off voting for Labour solely because of National's tax policy. They are deserting them in droves based purely on their own record, which is abysmal.
Own goal moka. Labour saying the same thing. It's just the reality of the situation https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...LQJSTJ5FEGJGY/
Agreed Labour are desperate, but National are clearly desperate & now panicking too, threatening us with a second election, everyones desperate wouldn't you agree?
You'll get no argument from me that Labour have been pretty incompetent in this last term & the loss of 4 ministers chaotic, but that doesn't mean I'm going to excuse National from scrutiny or excuse their main campaign promise, the tax cuts which just about every economist plus Goldman Sacs have said is in fact not properly funded, will cause an increase in the cost of living for most people, and which has been repeatedly misrepresented to the voters.
Increasingly what I'm seeing is National's strategy morphing from vote for us, to instead 'vote for change & you'll get us' which is not very reassuring esp when change doesn't look much different to what we have now & in some respects worse.
And the crime spree (30% increase in violent crimes against retailers) continue - thanks to the pro-crime and pro-gang woke Labour government.
Soonest Hipkins (ex police minister) is despatched along with Ginny Anderson (the public should feel safe according to her as the increase in crime is due to more reporting!), the better.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckla...IXDF33VB5OBK4/
“Shortly after, police arrested two youths. A 16-year-old was charged with burglary, aggravated assault and unlawfully taking a motor vehicle and will appear in Manukau Youth Court today.
“A 13-year-old has been referred to Youth Aid Services.”
I think you got that wrong. The money tree is a National invention, given that their tax cut plans can't be funded any other way. It is really frightening that neither the Right nor the Left seem to have any clue of how to budget and how to spend money in a responsible way. But they probably just know that the average voter is stupid enough to vote for them, whether they break their promises or not.
Luxon's new mantra to voters "Don't overthink it."
Speaks volumes.
Maybe we should try to use words like desperation only if its the poster himself feeling it:);
The language in this forum is getting hmm - desperate - and I wonder more and more how belittling the other side would help people who are still sitting on the fence to make the decision to move their vote towards National?
And hey - not wanting to pick on you, I realise there are much worse examples around (and we all know them).
No, I think it was an attempt to encourage voters to make their decision quickly, in the hope that their votes will go to National based purely on the current narrative of "If you want change vote National." National won't want voters thinking too much, or looking too closely at their policies/promises or whatever. Because they know damned well, if voters actually started doing that, they may change their mind and vote for another party. I would have far greater respect Luxon if he had said "Take your time and do your due diligence."
Actually, I don't believe anywhere near "enough" has been said about you in this place. Most people have simply rolled over and allowed you to treat them like a piece of ****, over and over and over again. Those of us who have had the balls to call you out on your behaviour, have become victims of further, never-ending abuse and ridicule, as a consequence of standing up to you.
If anyone in this place deserved to be, and should have been, banned - it is you. Beagle and I had our differences (which we have since resolved) but I would take him back in a heart beat, if it meant we got rid of you. You are a mean, vindictive, judgmental, narcissistic, arsehole. You are literally incapable of kindness, let alone empathy or compassion. You have been allowed to get away with behaviours that would have had anyone else kicked out the door permanently.
I have no idea what your life is like, but I pity your wife and kids, and anyone else who is close to you. Your anger is palpable. Your intimidation tactics are downright disturbing. You are a spittle ejecting, blustering, Kiwi equivalent of Trump, and I despise you.
Oh, and in case you haven’t figured it out - the positive rep vote I gave you was absolutely NOT for you. I’lm sure the opportunity to reverse it will present itself shortly though.
Robert Muldoon gets a mention as a populist leader in this article by Ray Dalio, along with Lenin, Peron and Chavez and four others. (p4)
https://www.bridgewater.com/_documen...3-af3727ef0000
Populism: The Phenomenon - from Ray Dalio’s website
page 52 New Zealand 1970-80s: Robert Muldoon. Robert Muldoon was a three-time prime minister of New Zealand, serving from 1975 to 1984.
His campaign slogan—“New Zealand – The Way You Want It”—reflected his platform of crowd-pleasing social welfare programs and economic protectionism.
For most of this time, he was known as an aggressive and confrontational statesman, but also a conventional conservative (favoring generally limited government spending and private enterprise). In contrast to his conventional political background, Muldoon’s 1975 electoral campaign was classically populist, with an emphasis on bolstering social welfare and providing relief from economic pain through protectionism and government intervention. A cornerstone of his platform was to repeal the Labour government’s pension scheme (which had a paycheck-deduction component) and replace it with a universal, government-paid program.
Muldoon’s populist image benefited from his opponents’ attempts to label him as crass and emotional. This characterization backfired as Muldoon embraced the role and became popular with rural, older voters. His supporters named themselves “Rob’s Mob” in solidarity with his perceived empathy for “the ordinary bloke.” Muldoon further emphasized the divide between himself and his opponents by running a divisive and personal campaign, which included some of the first attack ads in New Zealand politics. In one ad—a Hanna-Barbera created cartoon—the National Party accused Labour of being communists because they were attempting to liberalize the pension system, using dancing Cossacks and Russian architecture to hammer the point home. Though mild by today’s standards, the ads were shocking breaches of protocol for the time. Muldoon ultimately won the election by a large margin.
Muldoon’s extremely generous universal pension program created a persistent fiscal deficit, and his price and wage freezes exacerbated the severity of the 1977 contraction.
This is outrageous, if you missed 3 News/ Newshub, figures just released show the 300 mega landlords who own 200 or more properties will EACH get $1.3 Million over the next 5 years from National's tax deductibility policy, the policy which is going to cost $2 Billion over 5 years, while the disabled community, those with brain injuries, battling chronic illnesses & other beneficiaries will each be $17,000 worse off over the next 5 years which will save National $2 Billion.
$2 Billion being taken off those who really need it, they are really worried, and transferred to millionaires.
National's wealthy donors are buying this election.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...-analysis.html
You mean people who are running businesses will receive normal tax deductibility.
Pathetic, BlueSkies.
The fact remains that Labour have squandered tens of billions of dollars and can't find their own backside to wipe it. The most useless incompetent government we have been cursed with in the country's history. A pox on them. They must not be allowed anywhere near the Treasury benches until they have purged the marxist nation wreckers that have afflicted us.
With any luck, with the way the Labour list is structured, come the weekend, we could be shod of Little, Parker, Prime, Tinetti, Anderson. Mahuta and Jackson.
What is a plan to get more housing in NZ? You let those with the $$ the incentive to build more houses in NZ ; taking away the interest expense deduction is purely a barrier to get more houses built in NZ. Actually let me clarify, most of NZ's housing stock is old and out dated, that requires investment in upgrading insulation, double glazing, & etc. Remove the loan interest deduction and you discourage the investment in housing.
As for funding for mental health and disabilities, i'm not betting any gov't would provide enough for my 2 children (with autism diagnosis). Since I moved to NZ (from Canada) over 25 years ago, I had to accept that the NZ gov't would provide less than what the Cdn gov't provides. But then again in Canada I can not enjoy the use of my expensive classic cars and sports cars year round like we do in NZ. Oh, when I came to NZ 25 years, I basically had nothing so I guess I could say I was lucky in securing my wealth.
There are more houses being built now than at any time in the last 50 or 60years, and this is without interest tax deductibility.
Plus there numbers of sales to First Home Buyers is at record levels, the change to interest deductibility has tilted the field back towards Home Owners rather than landlords/investors.
That's so important for stable communities, for families & for stable schooling for children.
Interest deductibility doesn't make any difference to the number of houses being built.
It sounds like you've done well since immigrating to NZ & good on you, Im in a pretty good position too, but its unconscionable to me to take $2 Billion from benefits for the disabled community, those battling serious chronic health conditions, people with mental impairments, solo mothers & others who may be struggling ( losers & bottom feeders we've heard them called) & transfer that to wealthy landlords who own multiple homes.
What sort of society do we want to live in?
Unadulterated garbage as usual from Blue Skies.
Doesn't help on new builds, many of them don't make a profit.
The Interest deductability policy hasn't apparently affected the number of houses being built, but has acted to tilt the balance towards home ownership. My own life experience (and the statistics as far as I understand them) suggest that this is a good thing.
The Nats policy seems to me to increase inequality, and I have no doubt whatsoever that that is a bad thing, that everybody will be less healthy and happy as a result, ad that the sum total of human misery will increase. That is not the sort of society I want to live in.
Luxon took over AIR NZ when it was in good shape .......performance (especially finically) got progressively worse before he decided to give up.
And now he could become PM ....... Not a good CEO (of a monopoly) and an even worse politician.
NZ going downhill fast
Exactly,.. my friends who have $7-8- million homes in Auckland, luxury homes in Queenstown & the Southern Lakes, plus multi $million homes in Trusts for their kids, & who own several rental properties, & spend several months a year travelling in Europe, do not need millions of dollars of tax-cuts funded from $2 Billion cuts to Benefits from the disabled community & others struggling on Benefits.
Imagine, through adjustments to existing policy, National & Nicola Willis are going to take $17,000 over the next 5 years, off someone facing life in a wheelchair, or facing some other disability, to fund tax cuts for the wealthy.
Come come W69 ....
Air NZ sp (adjusted for rights issue) was 86c when he took over as CEO in June 2012 and $2.71 when he left in June 2019 - up 215%.
NPAT was $71m in June 2012 and $270m in June 2019 when he handed over the reins - up 280%.
If that's your idea and measure of progressively worse performance, NZ could do with more of that!
Hipkins is still trying to figure out why his wife left him?
And remember how he accepted the explanations of Kiri Allan, Stuart Nash and Michael Woods before he had to let them go?
A lot of figuring out by Hipkins to do!
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=500w
The demise of Chris Luxon's integrity & transformation into a teflon politician has been complete.
Once upon a time he used to at least try to give straightforward answers to questions.
Now he talks the hind legs off a donkey, without ever answering a question.
Here he repeatedly blocks Ryan Bridges every question, so rehearsed so smooth, hardly a hint of discomfort.
No wonder people are becoming so cynical about politicians.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...or-labour.html
Nobody in NZ politics will ever outdo Ardern (aka Clueless Cindy) for not giving any answers to any straight forward questions.
https://youtu.be/PJ7Cj_6ci80?si=-zmDLVepRTcMjxab
https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1646951636
All going wrong for the Nats …latest polls if they mean anything show a resurging left
And if Winnie happens to get over 5% and goes Labour at least the new Nats leader will have a few years to make a mark
I used to be a massive supporter of National and I do believe Luxon can do it if he gets to power. Only the way he answers his questions he sounds stupid and to be honest so are Nicolas. This year as well all politicians are answering as if they were possums in head lights making stuff up. I suppose that is how politics are but come on, I feel like we have to vote like the Americans for Clinton or Trump.
Also all these polls. How often have they been very accurate? All the people I talk to don't want Labour in charge. Last time a few of my friends voted greens. Now they are voting national.
From the Getty poll, of who will disclose to me who they are voting for.
4 National
4 Labour.
4 Greens.
2 NZF
2 Act.
1 Top.
Don't blame me.
It's also unachievable.Chinese for one are astute investors and price driven,no way would they pay over the odds,ludicrous.
There's only one way to avoid this coalition of chaos,vote Labour/Greens. People forget what they have steered us through.
Luxons lust(hint tax cuts) for power is transparent,why on earth could anyone vote for a businessman with so little experience in politics.
If you're into racism,division,the rich getting richer ,more poverty,greenwashing then yep NAT/NZ First/Act is for you.You deserve them.
Unadulterated garbage as usual from yet another paid Labour shill.
Look at what career politicians like Ardern and Hipkins have brought NZ to - a racist, divided and impoverised country where anyone with get up and go, goes to Australia.
Land of parasites, beneficiaries & losers - Vision of Labour/Greens for NZ.
They say nobody is useless - at least you can use them as bad example.
balance, you are an outstanding example for writing disgusting posts focussing on personal attacks!
But apart from that - while I understand that it must be difficult for somebody like you to put yourself into other peoples shoes .... just try to imagine for a moment how your posts might impact on people who still might sit on the fence. If they like your rabid attacks, they are anyway part of your camp - i.e. no need to convince them, but if they are still undecided?
Many of your posts show neither strength nor problem solving ability, they are neither constructive nor positive - they are just utterly disgusting.
Why would anybody want to vote for the political camp you appear to represent?
Obviously nobody knows yet, how the elections will go, but until recently it looked like it is an election for National to lose. Don't work too hard or they actually might lose it.
If they do, I see two obvious reasons:
1) Luxon's inexperience and incompetence as poltician. Nobody but him is responsible for Winston Peters emerging back from the ashes.
2) The right camp not being able to control their trolls. So much vitriol spilled over the recent weeks - and hardly any of it coming from the left (well, yes, they had their attack ads as well, but at least they had a lawyer looking over it).
But is this really what you are after - damaging the political right wing? If yes, than I must admit you are more clever than I thought :);
Luxon: I have a very strong preference to have a lapdog as coalition partner (seymour).
Where's Logen gone to? We've been blessed with some peace and quiet.
Sure - grand coalitions do work in other countries. I think it requires a bit of pragmatism and common sense ... not so common though in our digital left/right oriented world.
But even without that - other options would be limitless if people would stop to dig their ideological rabbitholes already prior to the elections:
- National could talk with the Greens - blue green governments in Germany work absolutely fine.
- National could talk with TOP (if they make it into parliament) - any camp would be able to work with liberals, but the greenhorn Luxon excluded this option for no apparent reason - he just prefered to boost the populist Winston.
And no matter what people think about Labour - excluding NZ First as coalition partner was the right thing.
Pity that it needs a left-wing party to do the right thing, while a right-wing party managed to give the populists another run on the board and shoot itself badly into the foot. It is expensive to select a greenhorn as a leader ... the party pays for it already now in the polls. If he still succeeds - the country might end up paying for it.
National if they had any sense should kept benefits linked to wages than inflation for better outcomes for children.
Yes, and it's like it would be un PC to say to them get off your bums and take some of the work that is there.
NZ is having to bring in RSE and migrant labour.
Meanwhile, if I'm quoting him correctly, Shane Jones said since 2018, Maori on one type of benefit other than super, have gone from 38000 to 57000.
15% of the population, but 36% of beneficiaries.
What a sad indictment of Labour and Comrade Cinders.
Heading to insolvency NZ?
Nah, just tax the heck out of everything, while the beneficiaries decline work, but demand more money eh!
Marama wasn't wrong about tax evasion, go after those people first.
Let's have some fairness first before asking those with tiny incomes to "pull their weight".
Luxon said he spends $60 on groceries a week maybe he eats out a lot.
I think he meant $60k.
A fresh stock of the finest cheeses and wines delivered by llamas from Queenstown to wellington.