Cuzzie, you know that as long as you put those words inside your posts, we'll keep replying, even though the rest of your post is rubbish too? Because that's one big fat lie, and you know it.Quote:
the terrible mess Labour left us in,
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Cuzzie, you know that as long as you put those words inside your posts, we'll keep replying, even though the rest of your post is rubbish too? Because that's one big fat lie, and you know it.Quote:
the terrible mess Labour left us in,
Oh my goodness
John Key on one news tonight " oh yes.. well... dairy prices have come off A BIT" ( !!!)
Is there a possibility he will " snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" ?
One of the dangers of multi-term governments is that the arrogance starts to creep in. We saw it with Brownlee and the airport fiasco, and now he is doing it again.
In May he pooh-poohed the KordaMentha audit of council finances, promising an independent audit of the independent audit within 14 days. It is now more than 2 months later and nothing, no back down, no audit, no explanation. No matter if you are a National supporter or not, we shouldn't allow our politicians to get away with this.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/bus...C-audit-review
(belg: I can see your reply now, "always been arrogant, not creeping bulldozing, blah, blah...", don't do it mate :D)
Is that a fact? Well..............................
Clark wanted a Nanny state and was going to regulate how much water we could use when having a shower and what light bulbs we must use in our homes & she was banging on about dirty greenhouse gas polluting our planet. This was the beginning of her new job at the U.N selling the Global Warming Hoax.
The massive universal student allowance not only cost Labour an election win then lose, but National had to carry on that bribe which comes out of their books too at the end of the day. Now add the other Labour bribes that National still have to carry on with.
Under Helen Clark’s leadership we have witnessed the introduction of the most immoral and anti-family legislation ever thought up.
Thanks to the Clark, we have legalised homosexual marriage under the lame guise of civil unions(I know National has gone one step further, but only to tidy up the civil union act), we have decriminalised prostitution, which is effectively legal prostitution.
A child can now get an abortion without their parent’s consent, yet that same child couldn't get a Panadol at school without written parental permission. That's not good. Fantastic, my then teenage daughter could go out and marry a women, prostitute herself on the streets and have abortions all without telling me. That's plain and simple evil man and it still disgusts me to the bone.
The Labour party has investigated introducing hate speech laws, and members of her party have made no secret of the fact that they would like to see legalised euthanasia. Could come in handy for certain somebodies.
On the economic front, most economic experts are suggesting that Labour has simply spent its time in power reshuffling the chairs on the deck of the financial Titanic & yep they sink too.
Plus who could forget the election spending, or should that be bribery, targeted at increasing the Labour voter pool by offering financial incentives to vote Labour.
Then there are the dishonesty charges that have constantly dogged Helen Clark and the Labour Party. She always denied it which is what we see from our Labour Fanboys on here too.
There was that painting that Helen Clark signed and then had Steve Maharey destroy rather speedily once it came to light that she hadn't actually painted it as initially implied. Liar liar pants on fire. It most certainly a Labour trait, just look at D.C now.
There was the motorcade incident, where Helen Clark denied giving orders to put the pedal to the metal, and vehemently denied being aware that she was in the back of an average sized car travelling at speeds of over 140kph – Tui's right there!
Lets no forget the granddaddy of all dishonest behaviours, the famous pledge card spending which Labour was warned about, chose to do nothing about and then(that would be their arrogance doing that), after they got busted for it, proffered the idea that they should be able to introduce retrospective legislation to change the law so that they can keep the money they stole from the taxpayers. So sort of like robbing a bank, getting caught and then trying to pass a law that allows banks to get robbed & then backdating it. That's Labour for you, how do they get votes anyway?
But it’s not just Helen who has a problem with honesty back then, remember the dodgy dealings of Annette King, Ruth Dyson and David Benson Pope? Then that brings us up towards the apologetic wonder. I won't mention everything he's been bad at within the last year because I simple have not got the time to type for hours, or the space to post it so will just add a forerunner to the man we only know too well. In the last election campaign, Phil Goff was let down by his then finance spokesman Cunliffe, when he was asked to show us the money for his policies. He could not, maybe that was some sort of Slam Dunk by D.C to make Goff look bad, nah it was just clueless D.C as we know him only too well now. D.Cs election bribes continue this election and at last count was about 4.5 billion more than National. Trying to buy an election. Just imagine if he wins. Will he carry out those bribes and if he does, how will he manage it. How many lies will he commit and how many apologies will we be bombarded with? I will state quite clearly and boldly that "with all that said above, Helen Clark would be ten times better than Cunliffe as a P.M of NZ". Matt McCarten has done a terrible job pulling D.Cs strings, but D.C must take the blame for letting Matt having total control over him.
So there you go EZ, shove that in your pipe and smoke it & oh yeah, I almost forgot the 12 Billion dollars that Clark left us in the red that you have now agreed upon after much debate with me. So no way buddy I'm not letting you get away with that propaganda.
Labour left us in a mess driven by a trainwreck of a leader Helen Clark - AND YOU KNOW IT EZ!!!
Cuzzie
To be fair National did not have to continue with any of the 5th Labour Governments policies. If they did not believe policies, i.e Working For Families, Interest Free Student Loans were desirable or affordable then upon attaining the treasury benches in November 2008 they should have reversed these entitlements, They would easily have had, and continue to have the numbers to pass legislation accordingly.
HOWEVER they decided not to. If they don't believe in these things then they should have the courage of their convictions and act accordingly.
I would be interested in your opinion.
And let down all the people that got sucked in by Labour. Labour would do exactly what you suggest, but isn't it better not to vote out everything the previous Govt. started? The cost of that alone is massive and the people you pi$$ off in doing so won't be voting for National will they. There lies the problem and Labour knows it. If Labour did win this time around it will be a problem they don't like inheriting too. That's Labour for you - working for themselves. National work for New Zealand, spot the difference?
Once these things are in place it is political suicide to remove them. Our whole tax system is an ad hoc cumbersome and inefficient system. The only really constructive rebuilding of the system was the 84 to 90 Labour govt. who dropped the ridiculous 66% income tax rate, scrapped the complex and unwieldy, absolutely dreadful sales tax system and replaced it with the far better GST system. A vast improvement but never completed because Lange lost his marbles and destroyed his own party.
Cuzie, most of what you wrote about has almost zero impact on the economy or running of NZ, and Helen Clark ran a very tight ship actually. Crosby-Textor found a few little things that they made the most of, and you've parrotted them.
No, I don't dispute that the Labour Govt left office in 2008 with a Crown core debt remaining of about $12bill. Perhaps in all fairness you should research what the crown debt level was when Labour entered office, and admit that National left NZ with that debt. And how much was that?
No big long speeches required, just what the debt was in $billions, and a short statement of fact. You've researched everything else, this shouldn't be beyond your google powers.
Is it significant that the thread "If National Wins" is having more posts and more recent posts than the thread "If Labour Wins".... :-)
Makes you think doesn't it....