You are just a troll. $100 Billion dollars borrowed by Robbo, no probs with you at all.....but you want to see 'granular detail' from Luxon. It is absurd.
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Thanks both for reaffirming National aren't going to do anything about social housing in fact by doing nothing like they did in three terms in Government make things worse.
Their policies will see the housing market more unaffordable and see the social housing deficit only increase dramatically.
The same old c-rap always. The debunked garbage about rivers of sewage running down hospital walls, ‘9 years of neglect’, zero dollars into health and education by National….this Leftist propaganda is all cooked up by the CTU and Labour and then disseminated around by people like daytr.
Rubbish. Just a load of cobblers trotted out by a Labourite shill. You go and get indoctrinated over at The Standard and then you come running back here with it. Your beloved socialists are at 26% and still falling. In the event half of the red voters will defect to the Greens and NZ First & the other half won’t bother voting. Too lazy and / or despondent. Labours traditional voters will still turn out though: criminals, gangsters, losers, and daytr. Should be enough for the reds to scrape together a few seats.
It’ll be a blue wave on the 14th of October and you’ll be sobbing into your glass of chardonnay.
So you can't answer the question so you resort to attacking & making unfounded assumptions against the poster.
Par for the course.
Not only won't National solve the social housing crisis they will add to it with their policies making housing more unaffordable.
The result will be increased crime by the desperate who cannot even afford a roof over their head, let alone one being available.
Some factoids to ponder over....
- NZ's prison population has fallen over 20% since the ATH recorded in 2018.
- As at June 30, 2250 LESS individuals 'reside' in prison.
- Yet meanwhile total reported crime, including violent crime, is up well over 25%
- Yet meanwhile, since 2018 the number of 'households' in emergency housing (mainly motels), has increased by.....
- Yip, you've got it, over 2200.
- Supposedly each prison inmate costs the taxpayer $150k pa. So 2250 pax @ $150K each = $337.50M pa
- Meanwhile, however, this emergency housing is costing the taxpayer well over a $1M per day, at circa $400M pa.
- And Yip, you've got it right again; a massive increase since 2017, of over $330M pa.
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, but it certainly looks like one BIG rearrangement of the deck chairs by the Labour Government.
Smoke & Mirrors come to mind. Unintended or deliberate?
Buying up houses that come to market to turn into social housing, most often at inflated prices well above market value, resulting in crime ridden slums like they have turned Rotorua into, is hardly a solution. Labour has no idea how to deal with this problem they have largely created.
Building them sucks up what was an already tight building labour market I.e trades etc.
Buying them was smart and delivers quicker results.
Anyone attacking Labour's record on housing needs to PROVE that NACT are going to be any better. Going on their past performance they will probably sell off more social housing to help balance their books.
On last nights leaders debate:
Media: ‘Chris Hipkins won the debate’.
NZ Herald on-line poll:
32,806 respondents so far.
‘Who won the debate?’
Chris Hipkins: 38%
Chris Luxon: 62%
The real question: Who will give you 20 bucks a week
It wasn't a debate when Luxon couldn't answer a question.
The abortion one was funny.
Well if the Herald poll is anything like this site where there is the likes of yourself, Balance & NZTX treat posting on here like a full time job then that doesn't surprise me.
You have asked me on several occasions if I am on the Labour payroll & yet you seem to take it on yourself as the sole defender of NACT.
The amount of posts you do on here is just ridiculous.
If anyone is a paid or even volunteer supporter of one of the political parties it is likely to be you.
1) Are you a member of any political party?
2) Are you paid or volunteer to a political party to continually post on here?
3) Does the political party approve of your attacks on other posters when you don't have answers to questions around their policies?
If either of them had even an ounce of common sense and the ability to think outside the square, they would go have a chat with Sam Stubbs at Simplicity.
THIS is what they have achieved in a very short period of time, and they have three new developments underway currently. This is how you do social housing:
https://simplicity.kiwi/learn/update...ental-housing/
Definitely not a member of any political party or a paid employee or a paid volunteer ot anything of the sort.
The only party with questions around their 'economic and fiscal plan' & credibility should be Labour.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...PPGRJ4RR74BU4/
'The plan is incredibly tight, however, with the next three budgets each promising less new spending than any budget in the last term of Government.
The operating allowance (a Treasury term for new day-to-day spending) will be $3.5b next year, $3.25 the year following and $3b in the two subsequent years.
That is well below the three operating allowances this most recent term of $4.8b, $5.9b, and $4.8b.'
I appreciate the response & transparency, however that's really a bit sad.
You made 31 posts on these political threads just yesterday! 31!!!
At least NACT could be paying you for your obsession.
You are putting NZTX & Balance in the shade.
Common you two up your game! 😅
You seem to be a bit of a weird train spotter, going around like a busy body, counting up people's posts and trying to shame others for having their say during campaign season.
You've gone down this road before, bizarrely claiming that Nikki Hagar would be writing a book about the posting habits of a few people on a share chat site.
It's the sign of a fevered and rather paranoid mind-set, combined with obvious irritation at your inability to win any arguments here.
Trust me, once the election is done and dusted I won't be bothered posting about whatever the new government is up to. But I daresay you'll be in here yapping away like a little puppy dog, same as always.
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No, you just standout due to the outrageous volume you post.
I didn't say Nikki Hagar would write a book. I said it might be interesting if he did.
A little nuance in my paranoia.
It's a bit hard to have reasonable argument here, as you don't rise to the challenge and answer policy related questions and you constantly resort to attacking posters to avoid the tough questions.
I don't have the count you have called someone a Labour shill, leftist propagandist, communist.
My favorite clanger of yours though as you repeated twice that social democrats were trying destroy democracy! Who's paranoid? 🤣
So you aren't going to stick around after the election. Is that a metaphor for Luxon's Prime Ministership
My favorite clanger of yours though as you repeated twice that social democrats were trying destroy democracy!
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Well you've got that wrong for a start, I spoke about 'democratic socialists'.
The entire raison d'etre of 'democratic socialists' is to replace the existing system with a purely socialist state. Hardly a clanger, more like pointing out an inconvenient truth.
Democratic socialism is a left-wing[1] political philosophy that supports political democracy and some form of a socially owned economy,[2] with a particular emphasis on economic democracy, workplace democracy, and workers' self-management[3] within a market socialist economy or an alternative form of a decentralised planned socialist economy.[4] Democratic socialists argue that capitalism is inherently incompatible with the values of freedom, equality, and solidarity and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realisation of a socialist society.[5] Although most democratic socialists seek a gradual transition to socialism,[6] democratic socialism can support revolutionary or reformist politics to establish socialism.[7]
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Roll on the election.
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It's a shame that raising the retirement age to 67 hasn't recieved as much attention as it would in other countries.
The fact that you actually admitted to shaming me over who I have voted for in the past, speaks volumes about the kind of person you are. What gives you the right to shame anyone, for their political views or who they vote for? I have never done it to you, so why do you feel justified in doing it to me? I actually don't give a rat's arse what you say to me, or accuse me of, because I am a much kinder person than you, so I choose to let it be water off a duck's back. But I think you would do well to take a look in your mirror, and practice some self-reflection. You might learn something about yourself.
Are you and Balance drinking buddies? You have a way to go before you meet his level of obnoxiousness, but you're not making a bad job of it. Well done!
I think I pretty much shame anyone who votes for the awful Labour outfit that have buried us in debt & have sought to foist 'co-governance' on the populace. It's a case of 'if the hat fits, wear it' really. To most people it would be water off a ducks back.
Us people on the right are used to be called 'selfish' and seeing this ridiculous 'neoliberal' term get thrown into any debate like a hand grenade. Again, water off a ducks back.
Buying them was as dumb as it can ever get (even with this clueless government).
It meant the government was competing with the public to bid up property prices - no wonder house prices went nuts over Labour's term and made homes unaffordable for 1st home buyers, and pushed more NZers into the state housing waiting list.
And Labour's record on housing is that the waiting list for state houses increased by 236% from 7357 to 24,717 - an absolute disaster.
Something that Labour should be thoroughly ashamed of - but like daytr, it's the usual deflection from the real numbers of just how bad this Labour government is at delivering on any of their promises.
Plus, spending $1m a day on emergency housing by putting ever more families in motels is yet another Labour self-made disaster.
Remember how Ardern said she was ashamed for NZ that there were children living in cars? Well, that has increased by 290% under Labour.
Nat's beneficiary policy explained.
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Look at the good post 4513 on this thread. It indicates very strongly that this huge increase in "need" for social housing is directly correlated to Labour's policy of releasing criminals into our society. So whatever you say about it, it is clear to most people that Labour's social housing policy is an absolute disaster and has achieved absolutely nothing other than drive up house prices and turn certain areas into slums. National & ACT will quickly reduce the demand for social housing by keeping criminals in jail, where they belong, which will hopefully make some houses available for unfortunate families that really need them.
This week's election poll is here:
https://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showth...l-the-election
Get stuffed ‘Stuff’. 😂
Far left media outlet has a whinge. Look at the pathetic spin they put on the story. Chimpy is crook, Luxon has a full diary next week, and Davis isn’t up to debating Willis.
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'Extremely disappointing': Luxon won't face The Press and its readers
‘National Party campaign chairperson Chris Bishop says South Island voters will not miss out after his leader, Christopher Luxon, pulled out of The Press leaders debate.
He said Luxon wasn't trying to hide, as Labour has alleged, and pointed out the two were still scheduled to face off in the TVNZ leaders debate on Thursday next week.
"Guess what, people in the South Island have TV," Bishop said.
"I'm just saying - Nicola Willis is happy to debate Kelvin Davis. Christopher Luxon is happy to debate Chris Hipkins, he's done it twice."
Leaders of The Press and Stuff had tried to find an alternative date for Luxon to face Labour leader Chris Hipkins in The Press leaders debate, after Hipkins fell ill with Covid-19. The debate was scheduled to take place on Tuesday.
The Press leaders' debate is the only major debate filmed in the South Island, and more than 2000 voters had ticked to watch both Hipkins and Luxon.
Joanna Norris, the managing director of Stuff's masthead publishing arm, said it was "extremely disappointing".
"We had been working until this afternoon to secure alternative dates for the two leaders," she said.
"This is obviously extremely disappointing to the thousands of people who were looking forward to seeing both leaders in person in the only South Island debate."
Bishop said Luxon had a full calendar next week.’
I'm not surprised he doesn't want to go ahead with the Press debate at some unknown future date. Stuff is not a neutral media outlet but nothing short of a rag of political activism on many issues.
Chris Bishop has made claims that National candidates have received death threats from gangs https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/there-...26MQCZO4S24DA/
I searched Stuff and see no mention of this while we had story after story a few days ago when a Labour candidate's home had been burgled. Stuff can not be taken seriously.
It seems Goldman Sachs agree with my view on the impact of National’s housing policies will see interest rates either higher or at least stay high for longer.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...d=94f3s8evyryw
https://www.thepress.co.nz/a/politic...aigning-labour
More neutral than you are though.
westerly
I would never vote for NZF but will be very pleased if National ACT are forced into coalition with them, if only to put a stop to opening the gates to our housing stock to foreign buyers/investors/ speculators.
Who wants a return to neighbourhoods with lots of vacant homes owned by foreigners who don't live here & don't rent out their houses? It was a growing problem in parts of Auckland & damaging for communities.
With the NZD at US .58, how would we feel with our kids having to compete at auction with foreign buyers who only have to pay US$1.16 million for a NZ$2 million house (plus US$ 174,000 in tax) & you can hardly buy a house in Auckland for under $2 million.
In my view, National's policy relies on us selling over $2.2 Billion of NZ housing stock to foreigners in just the next 3 years, almost $3 Billion in the next 4 years, is so short sighted, so damaging.
Other countries don't allow it, why should we?
On another note on landlords, anyone else heartily sick of hearing about "mum & dad investors" while we never ever, ever hear about "mum and dad renters"
Heard the phrase repeatedly on talk-back radio the other day including by the host, while renters are never referred to as people.
Renters are referred to as renters, property investors are referred to as property investors, share traders are referred to as share traders, business owners are referred to as business owners, farmers are referred to as farmers, commuters are referred to as commuters etc etc etc.
I think in this case your highly sensitive Left wing antennae has just picked up on new invented ‘injustice’ to have a whinge and a cry about.
National Party already wasting money on things like a Space Minister we are not a USA or China leave that to the private sector . Not against vision but realistic ones like a future bid for the men's soccer world cup with Australia 2034.
" and not a lot of people know that"!
Blimmy, only 0.18% of Kiwis will get the $250 per fortnight tax cut for the average family the National Party have been promoting so heavily in the election campaign.
Thought that must be a misprint, but National have admitted it.
I know they say 'up to $250 " but if a car dealership or bank, or Teleco heavily advertised or promoted a Special which only a minuscule 0.18% of their regular customers found when they rolled up they could actually get, there would be hell to pay, the Commerce Commission would definitely call that a scam. .
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...m-of-scam.html
I apologise for calling you a dickhead. You clearly don’t like me, and you take obvious pleasure in winding me up to the point where I lose my cool. I hate that I keep letting you do that. I do, however, own my mistakes and admit when I’m wrong. I am now putting you on ignore and I really hope you do the same.
Nats bringing out the big guns …….Sir John Key on TV tomorrow am ….telling us why we need to vote National
As compared to Labour who has not only given them fxxked all but increased their taxes as well.
Then, to add salt to injury, unleashing inflation to strip them of their spending power.
That’s what NZers get with Labour - speciality of Ardern, Hipkins and Robbo.
Plus the Winter Energy Payment that National will retain. I know you want everyone from superannuitants to beneficifiaries to bureaucrats to be taking pots of money to the bank, but the focus is on families and the 'squeezed middle'. Leftists think that there is a Magic Money Tree available for unlimited spending the way Labour have been doing for 6 years, increasing spending by 80% over their time in government.
Didn’t Winston say the other day he’d give oldies a decent rebate on their rates ….something like $1500 I’m told
That’s cool eh
National promises a “Minister for Space” - how freaking embarrassing is that. Great to see they have their priorities straight eh? No money for the aged care crisis, but plenty for a space minister. Luxon will be sprouting orange hair shortly.
Well we have Rocketlabs here, but some people don't weant us to reach for the stars obviously.
A vast improvement on the Left's Ministers of Wasted Space - as Labour have continued to demonstrate,
with numerous plummeting stars sent crashing down to earth under Chipmunk;)
Same Treasury which forecast in 2022 a surplus in 2024?
https://www.treasury.govt.nz/publica...al-update-2022
Kiss my arse.
Treasury didn't forecast that and you know it.
Let's leave the disingenuousness, that you came here with, to one side and I'll state some facts:
- In the period PREFU covers the incumbent government must show a return to surplus in the final year the PREFU covers.
- The figures are given to the Treasury by Robertson. I repeat: Robertson gives Treasury his spending projections and Treasury has no option but to print them in the PREFU. The figures are not seen as credible by any serious commentator. We go from two year where the combined decific is $21 billion dollars 'magically' into a small surplus. Robertson must project a surplus in that year.
The following is from the Heralds story on the PREFU -
'The road to surpluses is paved with deeper deficits in the short term. The deficit this year is now expected to be $10b, up from $6.9b forecast at the 2023 budget. Next year’s deficit is expected to be $11.4b, up from $7.6b forecast at the Budget.
Those large deficits contribute to much larger borrowing over the four-year forecast period. As recently as May, net core Crown debt was forecast to be $181b in 2027. These forecasts have revised that upwards to $193.3b, or 39.6 per cent of GDP.
Most of the economic growth occurs in the back end of the forecasts.
The forecasts were underpinned by a number of assumptions that seem optimistic.
The borrowing numbers do not include most of the cost of building things like the Auckland Light Rail project, currently costed at more than $14b, or the building of the new Waitematā crossing, which could run to more than $40b.
Robertson said many of these costs fell outside of the forecast period, and Treasury said how they had been funded had not yet been determined.
Treasury warned that there were “a number of significant infrastructure investments that have been announced, or are in pre-implementation stages, but which have limited, or no funding committed yet, and often no clear funding source identified”.
In this, it included the likes of Auckland Light Rail, The Waitematā Harbour Crossing and Let’s Get Wellington Moving.
The forecasts also assume that the Government will run incredibly small budgets for the foreseeable future, baking in 15 years of relative austerity.
Its central forecast assumes that next year’s budget includes an operating allowance (Treasury jargon for “new day-to-day spending”) of $3.5b. The next two years have their allowances cut thanks to decisions Robertson made last month to $3.25b in 2025 and $3b in 2026.
Every budget thereafter has an operating allowance rising by 2 per cent.
What that means is that the forecasts assume that the Government does not run a budget with new spending as large as this year’s budget until at least 2037.
To put this in perspective, the Government’s last three budgets have averaged operating allowances of $4.8b.
This means the Prefu forecasts a decade of relative austerity with each budget funding cost pressures, but leaving nothing left for new policies, including goodies dangled in the many elections between now and then.'
To put this in perspective, the Government’s last three budgets have averaged operating allowances of $4.8b.
Postcript, also from the Herald article:
'Treasury helpfully published an alternative scenario of higher operating allowances, which modelled allowances of $4.5b in budget 2024 (still a smaller allowance than 2023), falling again to $4.25 in 2025 and $4b in 2026 and then rising in 2 per cent a year from 2027.
If the Government followed this track it would mean never returning to surplus, with deficits growing nearly each year to 2.3 per cent of GDP by 2037. Net debt would be more than double where it is currently forecast to be. '
You can see the Leftist mindset: governments must 'pick winners' and keep an endless stream of cash flowing to whatever 'winners' (usually duds) they've picked. This is called 'stimulating the economy'. The state must be everywhere at all times, wiping our bums for us & with its pudgy finger in every pie.
I'm sick of this 'big government' c-rap: get the razors out and let the Leftist media howl like alley cats if they like. They've thrown everything but the kitchen sink at the Right through this campaign, time to take the gloves off: slash the government advertising budget to the bone and who gives a flying continental if Stuffed and NZME go under.
Wow you really revealed yourself in that post.
I'm all for efficiency of Government spending but you are right ACT will slash Government services.
Survival of the fittest mentality.
Little or no safety net.
Labour I agree went far to far as you laid out.
That doesn't mean we want a Government who just doesn't give a %$#%
Andrew Little and Ardern spent $1.9 billion + $100m top up (proudly highlighted by the little one himself) on mental health and not one single extra treatment bed was added, mental health has gone backwards.
Yup - let’s slash the highly paid bureaucrats (diversity being the most important consideration, not competency & professionalism) and consultants hired by Labour. Give just half of that $2.0 billion to those who actually know how to deliver services.
Slash services, you betcha! Services defined by Labour devotees = waste.
“In the 2021-22 fiscal year – the most recent for which the Public Service Commission has published data – spending on contractors and consultants by core public service departments and ministries rose to $1.2 billion, an increase of $303.7m or 32 per cent over the previous year.”
Bonanza for the consultants and contractors under Ardern, Hipkins and Robbo - too as for NZers struggling with the cost of living.
Luxon's made a rod for his own back by refusing to rule out going into coalition with Winston & now he's desperately pleading to voters not to allow that same thing to happen.
Even brought in John Key to help!
Apart from the antipathy between the personalities, there's some pretty strong conflict between policies. e.g. NZF against opening the door to foreign buyers & raising the age of Superannuation for starters.