Interesting idea, Scuffer! But the product description says "Blis K12 (tm)", and the 2009 Blis report said "Trademark applications have been filed in the United States", so it seems unlikely this doesn't contain Blis NZ product.
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Interesting idea, Scuffer! But the product description says "Blis K12 (tm)", and the 2009 Blis report said "Trademark applications have been filed in the United States", so it seems unlikely this doesn't contain Blis NZ product.
First I'd say that the K12 is almost certainly BLT product. LEF doesn't cheat on patents.
Secondly, to be endorsed by LEF does indeed endorse the John Tagg research work, and
LEF only sells the highest quality products at the top end of the supplements market.
In my opinion, assuming this is the BLT product, this might be considered the evidence that BLT is about to become a successful business.
There have been several important milestones in the BLT upwards journey and this is one more. It's also one that I personally rank highly. I've had dealings with LEF for longer than a decade and their quality standards are very high. LEF also has a large established buyer base of members and 3rd party onsellers feeding product to customers who can afford to pay for quality products.
For BLT to have a product selling through them is the best news I've had for many months. We just need Barry to confirm that it's a BLT ingredient and I'd expect the SP to increment upwards.
PS. I've sent an email to Barry for confirmation.
There really shouldn't be any doubt that this is the geniune product. I say this for several main reasons.
1) Check out the references they cite. 1, 4 & 5 are all for research about Blis K12. At least one of which has had Prof Tagg contribute to it. The other two are by external to Blis (i.e. independent) researchers. I'm not sure about the other two just yet. It is likely they are for the other probiotic ingredient.
2) While it is highly unlikely LEF would have access to a rip off product, or even if they did have such a product it is highly unlikely they would use it as Frutarom own the rights for the Blis K12 ingredient and would come down on LEF like a ton of bricks. Imagine the negative publicity for LEF if it was annouced they were using fake ingredients.
3) The other products that have turned up on the web saying they contain the ingredient have never caused us to think they might be fakes, and given time Blis have annouced them. I don't see why this one should be any different?
4) Why fake a product that is hardly selling? The risk vs reward doesn't make much sense.
No, this is the real thing and based on previous announcements we can expect to see more products launched that contain the Blis K12 ingredient.
I would like to know when we can expect to see it included in yoghurt here and in Australia. From memory I believe it has been annouced that it can be included in foods in both countries, and as Blis has a relationship with Fonterra it seems likely that it will make it's way into some kind of dairy product at some point. Fonterra have been desperately trying to increase their portion of value added products since they formed in 2003(?) so this seems a very natural step.
I just checked what else LEF has listed and see they have that Nature's Plus 60 lozenges Ear, Nose & Throat product with K12 Probiotics that Simla found for us.
Item Catalog Number: 25068
That's x2 BLIS ingredients products being offered by LEF and probably advertised in their glossy monthly magazine to LEF members.
This means LEF has indirectly endorsed K12 efficacy.
BLT is starting to look quite good to me. Allow 12 months and we should see some payback on our investment money.
You know me too well Oman, but good research guys it definitely looks like the sun is starting to shine and things are starting to smell sweeter pardon the pun.:D
So - they have a great product, good management, there is a strong worldwide market for it, it has the potential to cross-sell into mass market products like tooth paste and yoghurt, they have a blue chip worldwide marketing arm - the most important thing IMO.
Then the LEF information gets published - I think that it is huge - and nobody wants the shares today at 4.2 cents.
If people were prepared to pay 4.2c yesterday then why are they not being snapped up today?
What are the collective thoughts of the group please?
as a large holder for the last 8 or 9 years....(or is it 10?), and having seen my holding evaporate to vertually ziltch, I might suggest that there are a few more or maybe many more investors that also got burnt from the ever decreasing sp.
maybe oneday when the sp actually goes up, we the large longterm holders/believers might reinvest again and really push the sp.
untill there is something really positive besides hype and talk and promises, this share will languish and only the newbies will take a punt.
its up to management to start producing the goods, after 8 or 9 years of listening to them talk, and spending my $100s Ks on salaries, I like others want to see results before we reinvest and try to recapture our loses.
NZ is small and most investors with real money know all about BLT.
BUT........ things could be turning, just like last year and the year before that and before that and that one tooooooo..........
be carefull.
share price wont rise on 3 or 4k here and there, it needs big investment, and sales and divis to reinforce that investment.
my pick is another 3 years at best.
regards
ipo investor
just went back to page one of this thread and started reading, on page 2 i made comments about the wonderfull news at that time (2007), and my concerns about the sp.
and here we are in the present........ and still going down hill.
anyone planning to invest should read the whole thread before pressing a buy button.
On LEF, I get that LEF are important for health - but I still don't get why they are especially important to Blis's future, different to other outlets?
On the share price, it will move when there is a profit. The difference now is that markets are opening around the world, so that is finally a seemingly imminent event. I have had shares for many years too, but only started stocking up over the last year or so, because I finally see the potential being realised.
Looking at the share price now versus the potential, you have to wonder how much more reward people are looking for? Still, the way of the market seems to be for everybody to try to jump on at the last moment - so personally I'm more or less expecting nothing much, followed by dramatic rise when the market finally notices. Whenever that is. ACC just noticed, on the other hand.
First, however, catch your rabbit! A profit over the full year seems pretty likely, but what about the current half year? It's summer in the northern hemisphere. Will people buy it anyway? Will new manufacturers order enough off their own bat regardless? Will Australia pick up again? Are Asian outlets stocking up on the stuff even now, unknown to us? Lots of unknowns, no answers.
I'd love, too, to be told what promotion is going on around the world - having manufacturers and outlets is fine, but just how much effort is going into building consumer bases, and who is paying for it - we simply cannot tell that from another country unless Blis NZ tells us.
One big change recently though, after the shock of a large rights issue, is that suddenly none of us seems to be feeling the future can hold dark news.