Hey Tiger - the numbers on the whiteboard behind David in the photo are different from that in the slide
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You know its a good day on the market when TRS, Moa, Energy Mad, Veritas and PEB are the top 5 on the leader board
More feedback from the labrat coal-face.
The Waitemata DHB don't seem interested in giving the Rat a CX Bladder test, despite specifically asking for one after presenting with haematuria on 1 June. Were not the Waitemata DHB part of the original pilot programme for this test ?
This rat has been asked to do follow up blood tests and a 3 part urine cytology test, now done and has now been referred to Urology for a renal Ultrasound and a Flexible Cystoscopy procedure later this month, things the poor creature is definitely not looking forward too.
The Rat received a call from the DHB registrar this morning and brought up the subject of the CX Bladder test as an alternative form of discovery.
He hadn't heard of it and neither has his doctor as previously mentioned.
Naturally the Rat is absolutely thrilled with the prospect of these tests as opposed to a simple painless and quick CX bladder test. What should he do ?
The rodent is amazed that local medical professionals seem oblivious to this CX Bladder test.
Roger - very sorry to hear that and thanks for posting. I'm stunned!
Yes, Waitemata DHB was part of the deal:
NZX ANNOUNCEMENT: Released 10 February 2014
Health Innovation Hub signs commercial agreement for entry of Cxbladder to DHB’s
The Health Innovation Hub (HIH) has signed a commercial agreement to engage DHBs in the adoption of Pacific Edge’s non-invasive bladder cancer detection system Cxbladder, making it accessable for nearly one out of every two New Zealanders.
As a result of the agreement Cxbladder will be considered for use to evaluate patients presenting with haematuria, a symptom of possible bladder cancer, in clinics operated by the four largest District Health Boards (DHBs), Auckland, Waitemata, Counties Manukau and Canterbury.
Sorry to hear that man, hope it works out ok for you.
But this is what I have mentioned a few times lately, no doctors seem to have heard of cxbladder in nz, at a mens clinic where they see lots of people like you with blood in there urine they hadnt heard of cxbladder. Still waiting for a reasonable explanation for this from a PEB bull, I hate to go on about it but everyone just seems to ignore me asking.
Thanks guys. Its very confusing isn't it !! It makes me wonder both from an investment and medical perspective.
Renal ultrasound doesn't sound like too bad a procedure and that's on 15 July. If that's clear I'll make a decision sometime before 31 July whether I submit to the other far more "delightful" procedure or pay for my own CX bladder test or get the full warrant of fitness and do both ? :eek2:
''We are providing this rebate because we are a New Zealand company and have been supported by New Zealand people. We are pleased to be able to offer the service directly to people here.''
This sounds like PEB are taking the piss (sorry somebody had to say it).
Without a GP/Urologist advising a patient, this is most likely what a patient is prepared to pay - I'd love to know if they did any market research in this regard.
My question is does this also reduce the cost of the test for DHBs?
How much does it cost ?
$368, Roger I hope you do not need the test but if you do at least the test is available
I'm sure I remember from the NZSA presentation, David Darling saying that "The Mad Butcher" pays to get himself tested every month, because he has a history with bladder cancer.
Sorry - I will clarify:
The study had only 66 cancer cases 54 positive/12 negative from which the Sensitivity is calculated. This is a statistically small sample, so if you repeated the test with a different 66 cases the positive/negative balance and thus the sensitivity would be rather different. This where confidence intervals come in to it.
The 62.1% sensitivity is not for CxBladder - but for it's predecessor uRNA:
see UoJ Article abstract. [The astute may spot why a positive journal article or two more might help the PEB cause].
Best Wishes
Paper Tiger
"Two Christchurch urologists have words of caution about the marketing of a urine test for detection of bladder cancer direct to patients"
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/heal...er-cancer-test
As a long practicing doctor contact on mine commented to me yesterday, the move by PEB is an excellent one in his opinion - it will allow Joe Public direct access to a diagnosis tool to take the guesswork (and accompanying concern) out of the way.
He likens the situation to pregnancy tests - women know if it turns positive, they have to go and see a doctor immediately. A positive does not necessarily mean pregnancy but most likely to be. A negative is a huge relief (or disappointment) but missed periods can be common due to stress, diet etc and need to be monitored.
Doctors and specialists were making a fortune in the old days before pregnancy kits were available freely via the pharmacies. And some pregnancies went undetected due to the social stigma back in those days of going to a doctor or specialist to confirm - leading to health and social complications, as the doctor puts it.
The two urologists make a fair point about possible other causes of blood in the urine but Cancer is the most frightening scenario for those who experience blood in their urine. A positive or negative is an alert to action.
Just wondering if the urologists are responding to their outrageous charges for conventional tests coming under threat?