I grew up in a state housing area in the 1960s. There was little crime, neighbours respected and cooperated with each other. There was nothing even remotely comparable to the appalling behaviour described in the article.
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This is now par for the course - due to the racist directive from Cindy’s government NOT to evict state tenants :
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kainga...GOVRG2TC7YV6M/
State housing provider Kāinga Ora must pay two of its tenants $1500 each and reduce their rent due to the "disturbing and dangerous" behaviour of the tenants living in a neighbouring flat.
Kāinga Ora has declined to evict the troublesome pair, saying keeping people housed is the best way to ensure they get the support they need.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/orakei...3IRQRCEQTWYD4/
"It appears any disreputable, unruly and antisocial person can be randomly housed next door to upstanding, law-abiding citizens, [and] behave as badly as they like with absolutely no consequences and impunity."
Here’s another, the latest :
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-fe...FS63IBOQIUTQ4/
It's understood police have been called to the property at least 50 times to respond to reports of domestic violence, street brawls and other alleged crime.
Gosain told the Herald Kāinga Ora staff told residents they were hamstrung by an internal policy that stops the agency evicting difficult tenants to prevent them being recycled through emergency and transitional housing at further cost.
Sadly we are hearing stories like this on a weekly basis. There was another article on a similar situation yesterday https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-fe...FS63IBOQIUTQ4/. Totally shocking how these idiots get away with this behaviour.
p.s. just noticed Balance had already posted this article
When is this person being an NZ citizen going to cause us some reputational damage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw1ByVhJt7A
German heritage too how wonderful.
"Most importantly, I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible".
And that's the whole point isn't it!
If the transgressors against the community realise there are actions against them, and not just weasel words, they pull their head in, for the betterment of everyone.
How many balls would have to be crushed, before there was an improvement in social behaviour?
To be fair - we can't really blame Germany, there is not a lot any country can do about the misbehaviour of their citizens who emigrated already as toddlers, as Thiel did. Peter Thiel's character clearly has been formed in the US.
Quite different situation for New Zealand. It was our government which gave him citizenship rights knowing his questionable character and mindset. Thiel clearly had the right arguments suitable for our banana republic ... amazing what a large enough bank account can do to convince our otherwise so anti-immigration authorities.
Just to avoid doubts ... Peter Thiel was granted NZ citizenship in June 2011 after spending only 12 days in NZ and without any plans to keep staying here. While our current government is the most unkind and xenophobic I remember - we can't blame them for this particular mishap. Maybe the Key government was still more banana republic compliant ...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-12-days-there
So law-abiding citizens harassed and intimidated by anti-social & criminal tenants of Housing NZ (or whatever the stupid name it is called these days) simply have to put up with the directive from Cindy that the tenants are untouchable.
You have a seriously warped sense of what's right and what's wrong with Cindy's government and race based policies. :t_down:
As soon as he withdraws this disgraceful comment made in 2009.The 1920s were the last decade in American history during which one could be genuinely optimistic about politics. Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries (??) and the extension of the franchise to women—two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians—have rendered the notion of "capitalist democracy" into an oxymoron... In our time, the great task for libertarians is to find an escape from politics in all its forms... Because there are no truly free places left in our world, I suspect that the mode for escape must involve some sort of new and hitherto untried process that leads us to some undiscovered country; and for this reason I have focused my efforts on new technologies that may create a new space for freedom.
The inclusion of women has been unquestionably good for most countries given the lack of world wars.
Sadly , his german family lived in apartheid south africa for a short time too.
Where did I say that was right?
You do draw some strange conclusions based on your biases.
For the record what those people get away with is just plain wrong.
How to fix it isn't simple though.
Kicking them out seems like a good idea but they still end up as a housing problem for the state (I think I posted an article on this previously).
Fining them wouldn't help - they just won't pay.
I don't have an answer but I suspect that the answer would be different depending on whether they had kids or not.
Maybe they need to be corralled together out of the way and left to annoy each other. :eek2:
2 points to note :
1. Crushing boy racers' cars was meant as a deterrent and it worked. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...er-collins-law
You are too quick to take the defensive 'too hard to do anything' stance whenever it is Cindy clearly at fault for allowing law abiding citizens to be placed second behind criminals and anti-social elements.
2. Housing NZ in the past used to evict or transfer unruly & criminal tenants until Cindy's government issued the race based directive NOT to take action against such elements. It is simple enough to retract the directive so that law abiding citizens are protected - not the other way round.
This clueless government is encouraging lawlessness in so many of its race based initiatives with law abiding citizens becoming the victims and whose interests are being placed behind that of the criminal & anti-social elements.
How can that be right?
Judy says Talofa! to the loafers.
What is there to apologize?
You know very well that the solution is to resind the directive sent by Cindy to Housing NZ
so that
law abiding citizens harassed, intimidated and threatened by anti-social & criminal elements (placed next to them by the government itself!) are protected first above these elements
but
you chose to post the comment that it is all too hard to enforce like the law to crush boy racers' cars.
Too quick to come up with excuses, dobby41, just like Cindy & her team of clueless nincompoops rather than doing their job.
Disgusting woman with no clue about how the world really works - all spin & zero delivery.
COVID for Christmas .... Ho Ho Ho.
There you go again.
Where did I say it was 'too hard'?
You like to attribute comments to people that they didn't make (much like Trump's methods, complete with repeated one-liners).
They need to get this sorted.
They need to sort what they do with the people once they are kicked out - like where do they go?
Pithy one-liners don't sort anything.
Good to see Judith Collins finally attacking David Seymour & ACT for flip flopping on Covid mandates before ACT devours any more National voters.
Easier for National to pull back some voters off ACT than off Labour.
Strange for Seymour to come out undermining mandates now, instead of leaving it entirely up to businesses to make their own decisions around mandates for their employees.
National need not worry too much about pulling Labour voters currently, the impression I'm getting lately is that Labour voters are leaving the party in droves without any effort from National. Labour is really starting to demonstrate they have not got a clue what they are doing.
Simon's part of the group the liberals in caucus call The Taliban!
2 of National's currently best performing MP's Chris Bishop & Nicola Willis organised the coup that dumped him from the leadership & replaced him with Todd Muller.
Doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the team!
[QUOTE=Blue Skies;925001]Simon's part of the group the liberals in caucus call The Taliban!
2 of National's currently best performing MP's Chris Bishop & Nicola Willis organised the coup that dumped him from the leadership & replaced him with Todd Muller.
Doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the team![/QUOTE
What does not inspire a lot of confidence is a prime minister that can't cope with 1 heckler in a room, can't front the podium on a bad news day, and when she does appear looks like a jibbering mess.
I agree. He comes across as a good Health Minister in waiting. I don't think he's got the public appeal that seems to be the all important factor these days. I would have preferred to see Chris Luxon with Erica Stanford as Deputy but it sounds like MPs don't think Chris is ready. Apparently that includes himself thinking that. Whoever takes Judith down in the next few weeks, needs to make sure the likes of Luxon & Bridges as well as moderates such as Nicola Willis, Chris Bishop & Erica Stanford get prominent roles on the front bench.
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What does not inspire a lot of confidence is a prime minister that can't cope with 1 heckler in a room, can't front the podium on a bad news day, and when she does appear looks like a jibbering mess.
There would be very few people who would see it that way.
Even the journalists there thought she handled Chafin perfectly, denying him any oxygen for his You Tube rant.
It wasn't a political rally where you might engage with hecklers, it was an exclusive media briefing to update journalists on the evolving situation in Northland.
Whatever the PM's weaknesses, this is not one of them.
She is highly rated ( & acknowledged by the opposition, media etc ) as a great communicator, an articulate speaker, quick on her feet & a master of the one liner as several opposition leaders have found to their chagrin in the debating chamber.
Question would be - do they have anybody better than Judith the caucus would agree on and support? We clearly don't need National playing the leadership marry-go-round for the next 2 years or so.
I do see a small number of (I think) capable people in National, but not quite sure whether this is enough to rescue a party rotten from the core. For starters - as long as they don't get rid of the current quite ineptly called president I think they don't have a chance to select a capable and trustworthy team.
Some musings from the latest polling.
If the wives of places like Remuera, who love spending the income of their Tory husbands, but who give their party vote to the Greens, thinking they are helping a penguin out in the Ross dependency, but are actually supporting the looney left, wake up and vote for trendy Act instead, could be the end of the coalition.
If traditional Labour voters wake up to Jacinda's divisive direction, the resultant split would resemble that at the time of Rogernomics.
In the age of globalism, and Evergrande having 60 million empty apartments or homes, perhaps our disruptors could be exported to China, to live under a regime that DOES know what house arrest means!
Be cheaper than having them here, plus the social benefits to Kiwis left in the neighbourhoods the predators vacate.
Or 'exiled' to the appropriately named Disappointment Island, part of Auckland Isles.
No wardens, just predators predating on predators.
If there is still any 'be kind' sentiment, then revive Somes Island in Wellington harbour from its past.
Housing bad tenants is not a new problem, but it does not have to be the taxpayer's problem. A couple of things make it worse now apart from no KO evictions allowed. Examples - sheer force of numbers, private landlords forced by new regs to avoid even a sniff of risk, decline in home ownership.
The last point is important because fewer homeowners mean there are fewer relatives able to take in their own even if they wish to. Landlords, private and social are much much less willing to tolerate crowding so tenants put themselves at great risk if found out. Homeowners can do pretty much what they like. That might seem an arcane reason but it is very common and there are some parts of society that are unable to refuse extras.
So if tenants are in housing need, they can fall into the arms of their families until they make other arrangements, as has been the case for ever.
I think we would find plenty on the social housing waiting list are in that situation while they wait - it is what families do even if they don't want to. And evicted bad tenants, the same.
Not these days Cindy is not - she is seen as running away from the mess she has created and is unable and unwilling to front when challenged. Hence, the short visit to Auckland (via air force plane no less so she did not meet anyone who would challenge her).
What happened to the one liners then which would have cut hecklers and protestors to size?
Her poll ratings as a leader dropping and dropping and dropping show rather clearly that NZers are waking up to the spin mistress she is - garbage in, garbage out.
Disgusting woman.
If you want angrier becoming even more right (er :D), tune to the airwaves today :
Was great to hear the airwaves heating up over the mess in Housing NZ where Cindy's directive to prefer criminals & anti-social tenants over law abiding citizens - there is nothing but absolute outrage that Cindy can favor such low lives. All as a result of her racist policies and her dancing to the tune of the Maori cabal in her caucus.
Can you show where she made this directive or is it in your imagination?
In parliament today it was stated that the policy derives from Nationals time (Amy Adams set out the expectations in 2017).
It seems that there have been no evictions in the last 3 years but 159 households have been moved in the last year for anti-social behaviour concerns.
Moving the problem around maybe?
All the cases (in the news) referred to the affected law abiding parties being told by KO that there's a directive.
If there have been no evictions in the last 3 years, what does that tell us?
Beehive Barbie has a lot to answer for - the mess she is creating out there with criminals & anti-social elements being empowered & emboldened to do whatever they like.
Disgusting woman with no substance save spin.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/...or-kainga-ora/
More on how criminals & antisocial tenants are favoured by this government over law abiding citizens.
Crime pays under Clueless Cindy, Beehive Barbie.
If you read the link you posted re the man selling his house you would see KO say it is an internal policy "Kāinga Ora denies there is any Government directive but admits evictions are a last resort reserved for "extreme" cases."
Do you suffer from some on line version of palilalia? :)
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Whatever I suffer from, I do not suffer fools and spinsters like you do.
As for KO’s denial of a directive, I will take the words of the affected neighbours anytime over KO’s words:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...bour-candidate
This is what Clueless Cindy & her Kainga Ora (whatever the freak it is) are doing to NZers :
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-d...2Y2L57FDEU5BI/
The Smiths chose Glenholme to buy a house for Carl because it was quiet, safe and there were good friends and neighbours nearby who understood their son's condition.
"Now it's a circus. Yelling at all hours late and early, public domestic disputes, cars zooming down quiet residential roads, intentional damage, theft, cars broken into, the works. It's completely overwhelming. It is a ticking time bomb and a disaster waiting to happen."
And the housing crisis is now a full blown disaster.
Will Aussies start coming to NZ?
Lower rents [tick]
Higher minimum pay [tick]
Better jobless rate [tick]
The only thing remaining is that median wage disparity.
We also have people that have called into talkback radio that claim to have worked for KO and have displayed intimate knowledge of how it works, saying it is a Government directive not to evict idiots and losers. What is clearly happening supports that. It does not support the lies from KO. If you really believe the BS from KO, then what is the reason KO doesn't do the decent thing and evict all these thugs all around the country ?
Hahaha. My son is at the end of his electrican apprenticeship. He will rise to roughly $50k here in NZ when he does finish it. Or he can go and work in the mines in Aussie on a 3 weeks on 3 weeks off contract, earning A$130k base salary with a potential $40-70k top up in overtime. The "lower rents", "higher minimum pay" & "better jobless rate" in NZ are not really going to have any say in his decision.
Most New Zealanders would be pleased to not being held back by this violent, misogynistic, primitive Maori culture our government promotes.
Plus the pay and weather are way better in Australia.
You say that like they are the only two choices. A sparky working in the Australian mines would have plenty of well paying options, as specifically mentioned in the Herald last weekend along with less highly paid jobs with shortages, such as hospo.
A few years of hard work and a young sparky is well set up.
Six gang members have lost their firearms license
Government taking a hard line with gangs …good to see
To be fair - not really comparing apples with apples, is it?
Working in remote mines or on oil platforms somewhere in the middle of nowhere was always a much better paid job (and there is a good reason for it - otherwise they would not get anybody prepared to work for them), but there are still lots of people who prefer a family life and some healthy surroundings over the mighty dollar.
Which means, where will those red votes go?
Will they abstain, go TOPless, a new party emerge, or will NZ First have a sudden renaissance?
And if NZF get in, which party will they form coalition with?
A gamble, or a shambles?
Tail wag the dog, or hair of the dog?
Or will all this lead to the formation of the Pakeha Party?
Well, yes - however now (without licence) is it much easier for police to lock them up if they find them carrying or in possession of a firearm.
Previously (with licence) they just had to show their licence with their arms and the police had to bugger off. Now they don't have a licence and the police can lock them up if they still are in possession of any weapons. I think this makes perfect sense ...
My point is - the options you listed (electrician in NZ community vs. working in a mine in the Australian desert) have nothing to do with the difference between NZ and Australia. Jobs for experts who need to live in unfriendly climatic conditions and far away from family are always better paid - and always have been.
Sure - some people will go for the money and some for a family and a life. Money is not everything for everybody.
What do you expect our government to do to prevent your son from going to the mines and choose instead life and work in NZ? If we double all our salaries - would this make a difference? Of course, not - the Australian mines would do that as well and the consumer prices would follow soon.
You seem to have overlooked that I was responding to the below post from Panda. No expectation of the Government to do anything about it. As dobby says above, it is a great opportunity for young people to do for a period of time and save some money to set themselves up.
Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
Will Aussies start coming to NZ?
Lower rents [tick]
Higher minimum pay [tick]
Better jobless rate [tick]
The only thing remaining is that median wage disparity."
Jacinda referring to "Minister Liddle" in her latest 'Propaganda Rant from the Podium'. Anyone know who this Liddle person is??
Chipkins and Robber son have delivered on a promise. Early too. Covid into South island by Christmas. Well done.
Nothing wrong with appraising or criticizing the actions of any politician in public - hey, they are public figures and this is a democracy.
However - posting a quite unqualified and as well absolutely irrelevant health diagnosis about a politician is more than just bad taste.
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Par for the course, another bad reputation notification has been sent to me from BlackPeter.
Have you run out yet, or did you get a special allocation?
Calm down BlackPeter, you were probably one of the pitiful name callers who insisted on calling John Key 'Donkey' or 'Smile and wave' for the entire time he was National leader / PM.
The Left have shown just how peurile and disingenuous they are by a decade of incessant name calling and constant references to 'the debt' during National's last term in government, only to forget completely about 'the debt' from about the same moment as Labour took office.
You can't take any moral high ground. Calling someone 'Donkey' as a term of derision is about as juvenile as it gets.
Just read my comment related to the post in question - your description of Mr Littles health is absolutely irrelevant and quite sickening. Is this what you are?
Kick the ball and not the player ... and politicians are humans with feelings as well.
Always think about how you would like to be treated in his position.
Show me where I called anybody donkey or shut up. You are spreading misinformation and actually - quite obvious lies. Tells us a lot about you.
Related to my political affiliation do I have to disappoint you - I used to (mainly) support the Key government, even if we know with the benefit of hindsight that they made some pretty grave mistakes costing the taxpayers billions (South Canterbury Finance was one of them). I.e. yes, I admit, I was not always right in supporting them :p; You need to pick your other rant throwing lies and dirt against liberals and conservatives. Sorry.
Clearly - your research skills suck, otherwise you would have known that.
The only politician I remember where I referred to name calling was the previous POTUS. ... and hey, he deserved it and nothing I called him had not been already tested before in court - i.e. always had the defence of truth.
So - you are spreading falsehoods and I caught you. Anybody with a thread of decency would now apologize. What about you, Logen Ninefingers?
No, I don't go around doing research on who said what. You are taking umbrage at people saying things about our marxist Labour government and Ministers, and I am pointing out that someone was behind the constant on-line references to 'Donkey' and 'Smile and wave' plus 'the debt' & since you seem to be a Lefty I've lumped you in with the movement.
If you support the Left and vote Labour then you need to recognise that you support ever increasing socialism to the point where the system as we know it eventually collapses and is replaced by anarchy and then totalitarianism. That is the road we are on. It is an act of treachery against our current individual freedoms and private ownership. Therefore I feel I have nothing to apologise for.
So Cindy has also given up on the requirement for 90% vaccination rate before moving to the traffic system.
Whatever happened to her ‘short & sharp, go early & go hard’ COVID strategy now that Aucklanders are into their ‘short & blunt, go early & go softer’ 4th month lockdown?
NZ’s COVID Queen must be trying on her indoctrinated devotees with her new ‘short & hard, go late & go sharp’ traffic light strategy?
Clueless - just like everything she does.
For once we recently got Labour & National agreeing on a piece of legislation that may actually help with increased supply of housing through intensification. I thought that was a great move.
But then we get NIMBY stuff like this stopping development nearing it's completion https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...XO5KJY4MM3OII/
Excerpt:
"He even cited the Government's intensification moves on Auckland to allow more houses on sites here in the case whose respondents included developers 44 Ventnor.
"I recognise that there will be prejudice to 44 Ventnor and disappointment to the council that a proposal for a more intensive use of a large site in a residential zone in Auckland is being held up when there is a strong policy impetus in the National Policy Statement - Urban Development and the Auckland Unitary Plan for more intensive development in residential zones," he said.
The decision was also issued at a time when the Government was looking to enable even greater intensification of certain residential areas than that currently provided for in the National Policy Statement, the judge noted.
The irony was not lost on him."
The ACC is fighting ng tooth & nail with the government on the further intensification however, even while it sneaked approval through on the 13 unit development!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/infras...OTH6KEXJTWYJ4/
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/progr...em-overwhelmed
Hospital system already getting overwhelmed - but Liddle & the COVID Queen say NZ healthcare system is in good shape after 4 years of Clueless Cindy.
Who do you believe?