Rodney Hide nails Labour and Co beautifully right here: Lonely Cunliffe must soldier on.
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Rodney Hide nails Labour and Co beautifully right here: Lonely Cunliffe must soldier on.
That economist is the same guy that recommended never buying a house. Always rent. He also spends all his spare money on shoes.
Here's a film documentary based on "The Hollow Men". Produced in 2006, the very end of the last clip mentions John Key signing up Crosby Textor (2006)as part of the 2 year plan to be the next PM.
http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/the-hollow-men-2008
Or better still, wait until the facts are published by the NZ electorate in September - that will be irrefutable fact. Then sit down with a pencil and paper and work out where you went wrong.
Very clever Carbon tax policy by the Greens*. Labour could learn off them.
Labour should say "We are introducing a CGT and all the tax raised from that will be offset by reductions in the personal tax rate, specifically a tax free threshold"
Hard to argue against that. However, what they are really saying is "we will impose a CGT on rich people so we can waste more money on election promises.
* I dont want to get into a climate change argument. The fact is this is a policy that is the very meaning of their party and they have managed to keep it neutral of any left/right politics by giving tax cuts to all, including rich prices like John Key
Iceman, but that's his best shot, Hager should try a Non-fiction book next time. I'd like to talk more about John Minto. EZ & belg - what are your thoughts on Rent a Crowd far as you go left -' Minto', because the way I see him, he's so far left even the communists are right of him?
I'd also like to hear your thoughts about Cunliffe seen 'absolutely open' to Harre, Harawira proposal to kneecap Kelvin Davis. The link to that is Cunliffe culls his own to try to save his own a$$! Not very nice, but what else would you expect from the likes of Cunliffe?
Maybe you two can enlighten us on this one here - Harre, Dotcom and hypocrisy.
belg, BTW say or think what you like about Rodney Hide, fact is his hit the bullseye in that article & you know it. Your probs, not mine.
National now own the middle ground lock, stock and barrel. Labour is now a far left political party. When you hang out in the fringes like Labour is now doing, you become Fundamentalists, Radical Socialist, Communists, Anarchist and so on just like the Minto's, Harre's, Hager's, Norman's and McCarten's of this world. What a sad bunch that is.
EZ & belg answer me this; Do you think most Labour supporters are happy with this relationship with the Marxist circus run by ring master Fat Dotcom and even more importantly (mainly because I don't give a damn about the left wing fanboys) do you think sitting Labour MPs and those in the next level down are completely happy and relaxed with one 'David Cunliffe' like National supports are of 'John Key'?
My perdition is National by not too much unfortunately & "I don't pay my bills Cunliffe" a Goneburger within one week after the election. Mark 'Cunliffe' down as just another meal eaten up by 'Dot'.
I do give a damn about climate change argument & consider myself very clued up on the subject. Feel free to go head to head with me about the fear mongering garbage that we get shoved down our throats from the Labour Party, Green Party, Al Gore, the U.N, The NZ Met Service & so on. Try me on any or everything you like. When you tell untruths the facts always remain and when you fabricate facts you will always be found out by the rules of science. Augie Auer knew this and made a stance. Remember how our MetService treaty him when he did? The MetService continues to back Al Gore and his lies, more fool them.
There is no Global Warming!!!
Cuzzie, most of the experts who refute Anthropological global warming have to admit that there is indeed global warming, over the last hundred years or so. If that wasn't the case, we'd still have sea ice all around the Artic all through the year, and the glaciers in NZ wouldn't be retreating noticeably.
Iceman, re Crosby Textor and National, I am merely pointing out that politics is a long game, and the big players on the right think nothing of spending years, and hundreds of thousands of dollars, in moving public opinion. The left usually relies on a lot less funding, plenty of helpers, and good policies, for their votes.
Morning Iceman
Whats the obsession about Rod Oram??. Left winger? Rod Oram , prior to his arrival in our country was a journalist with the Financial Times, not exactly from my reading of FT a hot bed of leftist intrigue. Rod Oram does not hesitate to criticise the governments economic policies when criticism is warranted and usually provides a thoughtful, non political analysis to back it up. One I can recollect was John Keys proposal to establish a scaled international financial services industry in NZ, it was never going to be starter and Rod Oram simply pointed out why this was so. Sure enough nothing happened, for the simple fact it didn't make sense for large financial services provider to relocate/expand here, just one example.
You seemed rather grumpy with me recently regarding my post about Crosby Textor. My rationale was a rather simple one. As a shareholder in A2 Corporation I believe its on an exciting growth trajectory, consequently I believe John Key should do the proper , and patriotic thing and disengage with an organisation that is developing a strategy that could, it could be argued, hurt/derail A2s interests and get political strategy advice from another PR company.
No so and is not the case. The Arctic has been cooling over the past 60 years, and is now one degree Celsius cooler than it was in the 1940s. There was a record amount of snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere in 2001 & the last two winters. Several vessels were icebound in the Arctic in the Spring of 2007 - EZ the Spring of 2007 - not the Winter.
The glacial melt began in the 1820s, long before humankind could have had any effect, and has continued at a uniform rate since, showing no acceleration since humankind began increasing the quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere. Total ice volumes in three of the last four Ice Ages were lower than they are today, and “global warming” had nothing to do with that. Next!!!!
As I said, I dont want to get into a debate on climate change, mainly because I have no idea. My point was some people do beleive, they are natural supporters of Greens, so Greens have set out this policy which is agnostic on whether you are left or right.
Now the fact Greens have a deep hatred for the right sort of makes this irrelevant. But what would Greens do if National said we will support this policy (and home insulation again), if you give us confidence and supply.
Harvey Specter, BTW that was not directed at you, it was directed at everyone. I should of worded that better and your point is spot on. The Greens are basically told what to say and how to act by the U.N. The Green movement worldwide has been hijacked by the big spending U.N and are no longer in control of themselves. Greenpeace has a general consultative status with Helen Clarks joint, the United Nations and they do what they are told. The United Nations had it's beginnings from the Lucis Trust formerly known as the Lucifer Trust. Read more about that here. I would not trust the U.N, the Greens or anybody associated with them one little bit.
I suppose that's why we find Fat Dot.com on this side, after all he's not just Megaupload, Dot.com is also Megaporn and Megaerotic. He is where he belongs, after all the Lucis Trust and him are batting for the same side.
[/FONT]I suppose that's why we find Fat Dot.com on this side, after all he's not just Megaupload, Dot.com is also Megaporn and Megaerotic. He is where he belongs, after all the Lucis Trust and him are batting for the same side. [/QUOTE]
Just googled Megaporn and Megaerotic as it had never crossed my mind that Dot Com was into that sort of stuff and I still can't make a clear connection as they don't usually publish the names of their people. I wonder how many of his supporters would hang around if they saw where his money comes from?
I am so with you on this one. This morning I went for my usual dawn walk round the rice fields, stopping off to buy breakfast, AND I HARDLY SWEATED AT ALL! (But the volcanoes looked particularly beautiful with the red/orange/pink/blue early morning sky behind them).
Not only that but the night guard was wearing a knitted hat yesterday morning!!
So there you are two cool mornings in a row - that proves that this so called 'global warming' is absolute rubbish.
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I feel that the Internet Party has completely lost it's credibility by buying Laila Harre to be their leader.
I wish I could vote in the NZ Elections (been away too long) just so I could not vote for them.
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Just googled Megaporn and Megaerotic as it had never crossed my mind that Dot Com was into that sort of stuff and I still can't make a clear connection as they don't usually publish the names of their people. I wonder how many of his supporters would hang around if they saw where his money comes from?[/QUOTE] Nor did I until I read this article: Big Fat Dot Coms Porn Empire
Some of what you said in the first paragraph might be true, but you're looking on the wrong scale. Here's a decade or three, and it paints a different story Cuzzie. That's a trend if ever I saw one.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-in-7-visuals/
Conclusion: there is a definite warming trend in the Arctic. Vote Green/Labour. The Green's new climate change policy is here in detail. Farmers who demonstrate good on-farm techniques will get some of it rebated.
Good morning to you too Sgt Pepper. Not so good one over here though. Blowing about 70 kts and 12-15 mtrs seas so apologies for any spelling mistakes !
EZ regularly quotes and links Rod Oram. I simply suggested it would be more relevant and interesting if he continued quoting him rather than conspiracy theorist Hager.
I too am a shareholder in ATM. It is one of my bigger holdings and I am a great enthusiast for the company. The attack on them by Parmalat has been exposed by Australian media for what it is and I believe it has been positive over all for A2M.
With regard to that Crosby Textor outfit, which I admit to knowing nothing about, I just don't see thee problems. As with when I select a lawyer or even a surgeon, I go for the best. Don't care who their other customers have been !
Back to dodging the waves
The NBR article is all supposition. Read the link at the end of the article.
As for Rodney Hides bit in the Herald you could well have written that or are you Rodney?
Fundamentalists? your right wing - lbertarian views are in line with their strategy to destroy the left by any means possible. Fair or foul
Perdition?
westerly
Knock me down with a feather EZ, you have got to be kidding me. By using the Washington Post as an example, you have just confirmed and backed up what I'm saying. Who owns the Washington Post? Answer - Nash Holdings LLC. Who is Nash Holdings? Jeff Bezos, that Amazon CEO who is worth about USD$25 billion. Bezos is part of the Bilderbergers org. and that is a NWO org. Before then the Graham family ran and owned the Washington post from 1947 until 2013. Donald Graham, who sold the Post last year is one of the main members the Bilderberg Club. These members have met every year since 1954 to orchestrate the takeover of the United States of America. Google away and you will find I'm not joking. Very powerful men upon the New World Order and through the Washington Post they will say it like it isn't. Give me the same stats from another source and if I can't debunk that on the spot, then you are correct. Fire away EZ on know my s**t on this crap. The Greens new climate change policy is based on a lie.
So all the points on that graph are incorrect? Or just some of them? The last two lined up with your post perfectly. The seasonal lowest arctic ice area made a 60% recovery last year. But the trend implies that it'll be back down again, either this August or the August after that. If the world is cooling down as you suggest, why are the sealevels rising and the seas warming at the same time? When you consider the enormous heat energy contained in the seas, it takes a lot to change the average. But it is changing. Upwards.
I'm not sure who owns the paper that published a report on this, but the graph will take a bit more disproving than that.
Here's one of the comments afterwards, from a real wordsmith:
In a way it's important to understand the whole deal behind climate change denial. The same misinformation is pedalled by political think-tanks, it's the same process. Sometimes it's the same think-tanks.Quote:
I just love these selectively "one eye open, the other dim as a burned out Christmas string bulb" self-described "just skeptically following the money" climate denialists. This kind of self-flattering/humanity-deprecating nonsense is all over the web. Somehow, they've convinced themselves in their likeminded circle-rants in the echo chamber, that climate scientists are getting fabulously wealthy studying this supposed "hoax" and those dumb-as-bricks PhDs (in physics, chemistry and so on) really couldn't find work in a hamburger joint if it weren't for this "totally made up field where our Congress pays them to lie" (even though Congress is demonstrably and nearly completely bought out by fossil fuel interests these days - I never hear how that part of it works).
Meanwhile, the trillion dollar industry which has billions in marginal profits at stake if humankind were to suddenly start doing the sane thing for its survival, AND IS KNOWN TO BE FUNDING ALL OF THE DISINFORMATION SITES that people like WMarion (read Cuzzie) & Co. frequent to get their latest dose of distorted non-science to then spread all over the web, is BEYOND EXAMINATION. They couldn't possibly be feeding these "soldiers of the truth" anything that maybe "tilts" things to SAVE THEIR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PROFITS. Oh no - that money does not need to be "followed". At least not with the Eagle Eye that you need to watch these sneaky scientists - who (let's face it) just took their exceptional brains and burning curiosity since age 5 and put them through about ten years of gruelling education and a monk's lifestyle because they were hoping to one day lie for a living.
PT, I hope you are not too hot over there, while we head into winter. I'm sure you'll miss the election process, the waiting to see who gets in.
I just found someone else (Alan Papprill) who is disturbed by John Key's helpers, and here are more links to Philip Morris, who coincidentally were raided to supply a new National candidate in Southland.
http://theirasciblecurmudgeon.blogsp...meron-and.html
A link he posted, about how IT doesn't necessarily provide a lot of jobs.
http://www.social-europe.eu/2014/02/whatsapp/
My apologies EZ, but I did not even bother reading the article or viewing the graphs, perhaps I should. I just knew the history behind the W.Post owners and laughed. Look there is a lot of misinformation in certain newspapers worldwide and even more stuff that should be reported and is not. Control the media and you control what you want known for you and what you want to remain unknown. Rupert Murdoch is a member of the Bilderberg Club too. Give me graphs that support your theory from that (W.P) media source and I will shoot you down every time. Give me evidence, real cold hard facts from a scientific abstract direct from its author and you will get more credence from me. If it is based on Al Gores fairy tales though, I will easily knock it down so be warned.
Moving on to the rising sea levels and our oceans warming up. Gore’s presentation of the imagined imminent threat of a 6 m (20 ft) sea-level rise, with his account of the supposed impact on the present day populations of Manhattan, the Netherlands, Bangladesh, Pacific Islands etc., etc, was not a correct statement of the mainstream science on this question. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (I.P.C.C) says sea-level increases up to 7 m (23 ft) above today’s levels have happened naturally in the past climate, and would only be likely to happen again after several millennia. In the next 100 years, according to calculations based on figures in the IPCC’s 2007 report, two ice sheets between them will add a little over 6 cm (2.5 inches) to sea level, not 6 m (this figure of 6 cm is 15% of the IPCC’s total central estimate of a 43 cm or 1 ft 5 in sea-level rise over the next century). Gore has accordingly exaggerated the official sea-level estimate by approaching 10,000 per cent.
There have been no mass evacuations of populations of Pacific Islanders as suggested by Gore, though some residents of Tuvalu have asked to be moved to New Zealand, even though the tide-gauges maintained until recently by the National Tidal Facility of Australia show a mean annual sea-level rise over the past half-century equivalent to the thickness of a human hair. 50 years to only rise to the thickness of a human hair. Lets look at Tuvalu, the max. sea height in the last 21 years was back in 2006, hardly a sea level rising. That chart isMonthly sea levels for TUVALU
Oceans warming up - It is the atmosphere, not the Sun that warms the ocean but even if it was the sun, we have not had Global warming since the 1990s. There has been a 29 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, the equivalent of 857,780 square km. Antarctic sea-ice spread to a 30-year record extent in late 2007. I know I just told you not to use media as a reference, however this article gives you both sides of the story here: Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists. Some people think it's a big debate, some believe in Global Warming & others know it is just a big Con job. Perhaps you won't enjoy reading this article here: The game is up for climate change believers, because it tells us just how dirty the Greens and the left wing are.
I love talking about something I have followed and study for many years though EZ, next question please. This is about politics, Global Control Freaks that the Greens adore.
EZ, just a little background on me. I was a Greenpeace member along with my wife and are still Green at heart. I call myself common sense Green & I am. Greenpeace co-Founder Dr. Patrick Moore left the org. back in the eighties. I also turned my back on them as things just did not add up. B.S was the king then and still is now.
Dr. Moore testified recently before the Senate Environmental and Public Works Committee & took issue with the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) claim that “Since the mid-20th century it is ‘extremely likely’ that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming."
Moore pointed out that “There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth's atmosphere over the past 100 years,” arguing that “perhaps the simplest way to expose the fallacy of extreme certainty is to look at the historical record.”
He told the committee: “When modern life evolved over 500 million years ago, CO2 was more than 10 times higher than today, yet life flourished at this time. Then an Ice Age occurred 450 million years ago when carbon dioxide was 10 times higher than today.”
Moore noted that “The increase in temperature between 1910 and 1940 was virtually identical to the increase between 1970 and 2000. Yet the IPCC does not attribute the increase from 1910–1942 to human influence.” Why then, he asks, “does the IPCC believe that a virtually identical increase in temperature after 1950 is caused mainly by human influence, when it has no explanation for a nearly identical increase from 1910 to 1940?"
When previously asked on Fox Business News who is responsible for promoting unwarranted fear and what their motives are, Moore said: “A powerful convergence of interests. Scientists seeking grant money, media seeking headlines, universities seeking huge grants from major institutions, foundations, environmental groups, politicians wanting to make it look like they are saving future generations. And all of these people have converged on this issue."
Read the rest here: http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/glo.../12/id/570760/
Patrick Moore seems to have been fairly controversial since he left Greenpeace.
westerly
Controversy, is telling porkies about the Global Climate Non-crisis. Moore is on the ball 100%, make no bones about it.
westerly, maybe you can give us your thoughts on John Minto. Bob Jones wrote a few thoughts about him in the Herald today. I had no idea Bob thought so highly of him. He really needs to harden up a bit and not be so nice about Minto. Maybe Bob is getting soft in his old age. If it was me writting a story about Minto I would not be so kind. Here's B.Js commentary on the idiot. John Minto: Shut up!!!
Here's a bit about the terms of trade turning back from a post 1973 high. The extent won't show up until after the election date. It's not desperate, but worth keeping an eye on.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farm...terms-of-trade
So Labour promise to remove "coat tailing" in elections from the law and reduce the minimum percentage to 4%. Probably the most predictable change since someone discovered that night follows day. I doubt that John Key will do any more then smile and say that they intended to make the change after the election anyway. Not much chance of MMP being scrapped but it will certainly be revised in the near future. Look at the mess. The country potentially led by Kim Dotcom, Laila Harre, John Tamihere. Winston Peters and the like. I predict a rise in Doomsday Preppers befor long.
What's the bet that if they did get rid of coat tailing we would STILL have an ACT MP elected in Epsom. Elected with 65% of the electorate vote and 0% of the nationwide party vote. And still a rort.
They also need a provision that in order to take up your seat for winning an electorate you MUST win the proportionate share of the party vote nationwide as well.
Playing devils advocate, your provision would not be democratic JR would it??
If a MP is voted in via the electorate then why should he/she not be a MP regardless of what votes the party got overall
At present Epsom would either be a ACT seat or National seat, don't think it would be anything else
Disc: Not in the Epsom electorate!
Got in first Mr/Mrs/Miss Pudding
Cuzzie, There are too many people whose main objective in life appears to be telling others what to do. Bob Jones was a very good in his field of property, and appears to know something about boxing. Over the years he became someone the media turn to when they want a quote or story to raise the odd eyebrow. Outside of his field of expertise he should have ( along with most columnists been put out to pasture after half a dozen columns) Plenty of opportunity to bore us with his views.
I read the Press and just about all their writers along with most of the reporters have long past their use by date. The reporters are experts at turning private tragedies into public entertainment.
As for Minto, Jones probably had a point, he should take up bowls or something but would probably want to change the rules. I would ask Banks, Hide, Roger Douglas, and all the others who have had countless opportunity to inflict their views on a weary public to do the same.
As for global warming, one day it will either be real, or not, and that is when mankind will know who is correct. Then another crisis will be be dreamed up and arguments will carry on. In my simple minded view the world has only one major problem – too many people and apart from China no one is doing anything about it. And send Dotcom to the US - that covers everything.
westerly
A blog post worth reading with an interesting take on the hopeless situation Cunliffe finds himself in. He's got fights raging all around him on the left, before he even glances towards National. To win this election, National just have to stay head down and make no mistakes. The Left's infighting will take care of the rest :ohmy:
http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2014/06...trategic-loss/
Interestinmg blog there iceman
Will Hone win Te Tai Tokerau. Not a forgone conclusion, will some of his support dessert him due to the tie up with the Internet party??
If the Marxist circus win the election this will be the first quote I will post on here:
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
~John Lennon~
Judge says 'Mr Banks, I find you guilty'
Until next month that is. Discharged without conviction
We can't have one of them being a crim can we ....we'll make sure he cleared
My view is Key knew nothing and Banks has been found guilty of knowing something he should have known about, but because he lost, didn't give a sh.. about trying to recall (he didn't prepare the form, and probably didn't even read it before he signed it).
The tapes were just Key saying Winston's support is dying - literally.
There is no scandel here. Just Banks being a bit lazy and not taking full care in relation to a statutory declaration he signed.
Not at all. You can still stand as an independent, you just need 0.83% of the nationwide vote. That's proportional representation. Voting for "independent endorsed by party x" as a list candidate and "party x" with the party vote is simply double dipping. It would sort of be fair if that tactic was available in all electorates. We would then have 100 odd proportional list MP's and another 100 odd electoral independent MPS's as a overhang.
Goodness, even Roy Morgan appears to have changed camp
Asked if he accepted that he had done something wrong Banks said: "From day one I have told you I have never filed a false anything let alone a false return."
Good one banksie, you tell them
Good riddance to bad rubbish! He's a fraud, a hypocrite and a religious fundamentalist moron. And I had been splitting my vote between National and ACT but no way I'm voting for Banks. He deserves to swing.
That poll result suggests that the gyrations of the gypsy left have not impressed the voters people are moving away from the probable debacle that would be created with a Labour leader with hands up his back working his brain from KDC, LH, the Greens and Uncle Tom Cobley and All.
gee, very hard to find this poll result, and commentary anywhere in the MSM, so here it is in part.
“Today’s New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows a strong positive response to the predicted Budget Surplus of $372 million handed down by Finance Minister Bill English with National surging to 52.5% (up 7%) – it’s highest since the last New Zealand Election. National has surged to a huge lead over a potential Labour/ Greens alliance (38%, down 6%).
“The closer the election, it appears the less support there is for the main opposition parties with support for Labour (29%, down 1.5%) now stuck below the level that prompted the resignation of previous leader David Shearer for most of 2014. The initial surge provided by David Cunliffe has well and truly worn off. In addition the Greens (9%, down 4.5%) have slumped to their lowest level of support since before the last New Zealand election after announcing last weekend a proposal to introduce a Carbon Tax in New Zealand in place of the current Emissions Trading Scheme.
“Last week’s merger announcement of the Internet Party (0.5%) and Mana Party (0.5%) to contest this year’s election offers both parties a better chance of attaining the 5% threshold required to elect a slate of Party List MPs. However, the combined support for the two parties has never exceeded 2%, and it would appear unlikely the merged party can bridge this gap in the next few months.”
Craic
to be honest there is school of thought that the next government may not be blessed with the most benevolent of times, to quote Hosea " he who sews the wind will reap the whirlwind"
In this case the next government will inevitably reap the whirlwind of massive defaults in the Auclkland Housing market with 10% mortgages looming menacingly on the horizon. Add to that a sustained collapse in Dairy prices, and a sharp downturn in China the fallout, both economic and political will be severe
In that case, St Pepper, best to bring in some good managers of the public purse, some that are capable of bringing out the best in NZ.
John Key picking what he shows up to..
Perfectly fair, says Dene Mackenzie. If John Key was proud of his record over the last few years, there would be no problem with him turning up. Just lately, the Stockton mine is back in the news with more job losses in the offing, and Postie Plus demonstrates just how tough the retail sector has become. These are all symptoms of a much bigger malaise.Quote:
6/6/2014 — Economics, Politics and Government
John Key emulates Muldoon?
By Dene Mackenzie
New Zealand First Leader Winston Peters is taking Prime Minister John Key to task for apparently pulling out of a planned television debate.
This could be a bit of history repeating itself as former National prime minister the late Sir Robert Muldoon issued instructions to his MPs in the 1970s, which included Winston Peters as fate would have it, to not turn up to joint meet the candidates’ evenings.
Sir Robert correctly surmised his MPs were drawcards for the protest element so rife in his time as a polarising leader of the government. Without the National MPs, there was not much point in holding the meet the candidate evenings in the National-held seats.
Instead, National held its own meetings in school halls, shearing sheds and draughty rural community halls, attended mainly by true blue supporters with the occasional protester who got shut down quickly.
Peters said the planned TV3 debate would have included himself plus representatives from the Labour and Green parties.
“Typical John Key - the chance of a fair, robust debate about the future of the country and he runs a hundred miles. The people of New Zealand are entitled to see how Mr Key performs under pressure. Well, they've seen how he performs. He does a runner,” Peters said.
Being no fool, but sometimes being mistaken for one by the Opposition, John Key will be well aware his presence on a televised debate would give credibility to Peters and the other party representatives.
Rather than indulge the Opposition in a shouting match, Key is wise to leave the debates until the election proper when he will come up against only Labour leader David Cunliffe. No contest.
*Dene Mackenzie is the political editor of the Otago Daily Times.
Why would you turn up to a 'debate' where it is 3 against 1?
Why is Peters even invited to a 'major parties' political debate?
If he pulled out of a debate against Labour, that would be a different story.
I think there should be a debate between Cunliffe, Norman and Peters. The winner earns the right to debate against a party that is polling above 50%! Alternatively, they should have to decide, as they would if they tried to form a government, which one of them gets to debate with Key on each issue, the others having to leave the stage (and shut up). eg. Greens debate the environment, Winston takes his specialty Immigration, horse racing and bribery, and Labour take the rest.
That been said, you must also have a big problem with Cunliffe open to doing deals with convicted criminal Dot.Com. He's a felon who has spent time behind bars in two countries(soon to be three) and is corrupt as a fat man can be.
Cunliffe needs the Fatman How say you belg. BTW, with the latest poll 71% of voters would not vote Labour, "71%"!!! Cunliffe needs numbers and he needs convicted criminal Dot.Com.
In the latest Roy Morgan Poll more than one in every two people would vote National, "52%"!!!
Key doesn't need Banks and that is it in a crunch right there.
The demise of Banks for this particular crime is of little significance in the scheme of things. He has had a long career and like most politicians, has swept more than his share of dust under the carpet in his time. I imagine that he will retire and like a bunch of earlier defaulters, mostly from the left, will be forgotten in the September race. And don't forget - he can and may appeal. Has Cunliffe borrowed Keys bach in Hawaii for a couple of months or has he just gone in for an oil chang and grease? haven't heard from him in a while.
morning HS
As I alluded to earlier with whats going to happen to the economy in the next 2-3 years there will probably be a collective sigh of relief from the left that they didn't attain power in September 2014. John Key will be tested to the extreme especially with collapsing dairy prices, defaulting Auckland Home owners in negative equity, etc. Hard decisions will have to be made, i.e. politically unpopular ones, John Keys famed pragmatic approach ,which has served him so well will have to be abandoned. I don't envy his task.
OK got you point the first time Belg
I see you have now deleted the other duplicates - good on you!:)
The Facts. Banks has the right to appeal BUT this matter has not been decided because a sentence must be impose BEFORE an appeal can be lodged. Therefore John Key and everyone else must wait for that date and if an appeal is lodge it is likely that any sentence will be suspended until the appeal is decided So belgarion, you can't hang the man just yet - that is the law and if you think that this is the end for Key and Co, I have another grand that says you are wrong. Now I must go and pick the horses for the betting adjunct for tomorrow because I picked winners last saturday and thems the rules
ACT is a separate party to National so Key has no control over the situation. He will be removed from parliament when/if he receives a conviction as stipulated by law.
A fourth term is very rare, so you would expect this to be Nationals last term anyway(?). But as you say, the Left might actually be happy to lose this one, as the posibility of a one term left government is a possibility if the economy has issues and the coalition of Marxists cant agree.
belg, the Act Party is the Act Party not the National Party. After John Boscawen got overlooked, I couldn't give a monkeys about them. Speculation about Banks having something on Key and other MPs is just that, 'speculation' until the speculation is a proven fact.
S.P, surely we are better to head into the next 2 or 3 three years with a Govt. with a proven track record for Governing in tough economic times like National has. They overcome a major Financial crisis and disasters and have now got the country humming again. Don't panic S.P, you are in good hands with the experts, 'National', afterall what experience has a Cunliffe lead mob got at facing matters like this?
John Keys to do list
1. Win a 3rd term( Sept 2014)
2. Get a knighthood (January 1st 2018)
3. Get a diplomatic posting ( February 2018)
4. Work out a way to blame the 2016 housing crash on Labour
4. Retire to Hawaii with commutes to London (2021 approx.)
5 Remember the above items and don't give a monkeys about anything else
Key knew Banks had broken the law. Kiwi's don't like money controlling election outcomes ... This is not America or a corrupt Banana Republic ... yet :([/QUOTE]
Now why is Cunliffe, Mana and most of the left so cuddled up in bed with the proprieter of Magaporn if its not for his money? Do they see him as a fine example of a citizen? I don't know what you are on Belgarion but it is producing some bizarre results I still have the grand, the second one, on the table and I have picked the horses for Saturday. Meeting 4 Race 3 Rockafilly - Race 5 Rapt in gold - race 6 Goodoneglady Race 8 Ballroom.
Bet they will be all careful with the "funding" they receive for the coming election
Electoral fraud has been happening for years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Ne...ng_controversy
I was reading today I-Predict has NZ First holding the balance of power and will decide who holds power at the next election. Bit of a contrast to Roy Morgan Poll BUT I Predict historically has forecast the election remarkably accurately.
o Winston
Ha, could well be right FP, as Napoleon observed regarding the allure of the "baubles of power". Keep an eye out for John Key being polite and respectful to Winston, good sign or bad depending on your political point of view
Cheers Im off to work now
What? and steal David cunliffes thunder?
Now why is Cunliffe, Mana and most of the left so cuddled up in bed with the proprieter of Magaporn if its not for his money? Do they see him as a fine example of a citizen? I don't know what you are on Belgarion but it is producing some bizarre results I still have the grand, the second one, on the table and I have picked the horses for Saturday. Meeting 4 Race 3 Rockafilly - Race 5 Rapt in gold - race 6 Goodoneglady Race 8 Ballroom.[/QUOTE]
Just as well you had a couple of scratchings. Trentham in winter - punters graveyard
westerly
Just an old mans gamble - and a bit of fun. A trade on TEL onWed.-Fri. gathered $593 for the coffers. A raffle win of beef olives ( very little meat and a heap of stuffing) went wrong when the prize was given to someone else and we had to settle for Scotch fillet, a prize that someone else had failed to claim. I got $30 back from a $60 bet. The other punter, whose horses all ran, got $11.50. Tuesday We will be in Queensland why? Because thats what old folk do.
I'm guessing gardening doesn't carry enough risk to be your retirement hooby Craic? :)
Calling it for what the Internet Mana Party really is
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/opinion...kers-dc-157308
The problem is it is a knowledge offence so they all claim they don't know as they never looked. Banks has been found guilt due to wilful blindness.
The law should be changed so there are no anonymous donations, a fill list being required. The only knowledge issue therefore becomes associated parties.
Yawn, getting very shrill about rules that applied to a local Mayoral election a while ago now.
Get up to speed with what happens with current donations at the national level - the rules have changed twice since Banks was taken to task for doing what everyone had been doing for years. That fat, white, rich prick, who the left seem to love had it in for him. Anyway, for sure, he will do the right thing for the country, his party, his electorate, (but not himself), and resign tomorrow one would think.
Still no word from MSM on Labour's favoured political poll, the Roy Morgan, which is calling a landslide victory to the Nats. Not a word either on The Nation, or Q&A, yet the last 'rogue' poll from RM was front page news when it showed a glimmer of hope for Greenbour. Too funny....
Any word from Kunteclive yet on who his secret donors are?
I look forward to a day or so after the election when John Key, the Prime Minister, looks the fat boy straight in the eye and utters that iconic Kiwi expression "Goodbye Pork Pie"
Why would Key want money from Dotcom He gives money away to charities now, has a batch in Hawaii and is probably the most up-front politician we have seen for ages? As to Banks lying - show me the politician in Labour who claims that he has never lied and I will show you a liar.
That Andrew Little will go a long way. He's obviously a bright young thing.
He's seeking an inquiry into why the police didn't prosecute Banks. He clearly forgot most of the other 50 odd cases forwarded to Police by the Electoral Commission for prosecution relate to his own party. Good one Andrew, so you'd like to limit the inquiry to a single case? Lol, hows the shotgun wound in the foot?
Craic
John Key ...upfront politician???? I spilt my cup of tea I was laughing so much, this is the man who when confronted,( or should I say found out), about the Tranz Rail share "issue" forgot he had a substantial shareholding. John Key upfront Yeah..Right. Got to make another cup of tea now
cheers
SP
Totally agree Belg
Had, all sorts of problems getting into Computershare over the past couple of weeks to sort out the rats and mice in a couple of portfolios, mine and one I manage, mainly because I changed passwords through the bottom of a rum bottle. Finally got in and was surprised to find that I had sold the stuff and cleaned up the stuff weeks ago. If JK forgot about a few shares in a multi-million dollar portfolio, I'm not surprised. I'm sure that, like most of us, he was concentrating on the main parts. I look forward to the main event where the main sound will be the sound of Labour jaws dropping on the ground, followed by the sound of Cunliffes train leaving the station. My birthday on Oct. 4 will be a memorable event.
No HS
The registry revealed he apparently purchased 100,000 shares
Fats has had is win in court, now it is time for him to be put under the spotlight. We aren't talking Dot.Cons $50,000 bribery money here, we are talking millions he ripped off from Warner Music, UMG Recordings, Sony Music, Capitol Records, 20th Century Fox, Disney, Paramount, Universal, Columbia Pictures and Warner Brothers. These Mega Companies are not best pleased with Kim and they will get their pound of flesh. Make that pounds - Mega Pounds. We are talking a real criminal. A real criminal who has spent time behind bars already and is about to do more - lots more. Banks will have the last laugh. Mark my words though, the loonie left will completely turn their backs on him when he's no use to them anymore, such is the nature of that beast.
belg, this is what I call humour - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11270566 What will the left do without his illegal fortune? A sugar daddy without doe will be left out to dry. The best thing about it is he will be in a U.S prison. That will save Taxpayers plenty by not having to feed him. Win, win, win.
It has been a good week for the left, let's admit it. I just found an old article from Brian Edwards online, I'm sure there are other pithy words that can be scrawled on campaign hoardings. It'll be a close election.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/confess...nett-ck-142943
Yep a good week for Labour EZ, including their latest:
Another great Labour policy falls flat on their faces - again.
Dear oh dear, Funnycliffe is at it again. Does he actually dream up these policies or is he just totally clueless? Who advises him and are his advisers from the right side of politics and are having a laugh at poor Davids expense? Does he run his ideas past somebody in the know first or does he just hopes for the best?
Cunliffe, you simple just have not got a clue - have you.
Here's his latest - Insurance Council rejects Labour's 'Earthquake Court'
It took four years for the Banks trial, let us add four years for the poor Christchurch folk too. Yep, that's a winner. Good on you Dave, keep talking because at this rate John Key doesn't have to say a thing does he!!!
Here is more bribery money from Fats, this time not just pennies he paid Banks. This time it is $5 million smackeroos.
$5 million for information that proves unlawful or corrupt conduct by the US government, the New Zealand government, spy agencies, law enforcement and Hollywood.
Five million means he is a very desperate man, he's feeling the noose tighten a bit more every day. So he should too.
The link is:Dotcom offers $US5m bounty for whistleblower info that could help his case. Thanks EZ, your link lead me to this one, cheers mate.
So former Federated Farmer's boss Don Nicolson is standing for ACT in Clutha Southland. Key says no deals will be offered and Don himself says he will put more focus on the party vote.
But I would not be surprised if the voters of Clutha Southland, 90% whom are National supporters and desperately wanting a 3rd term, will consider strategic voting. Wouldn't be too hard for them to tick the box for a fellow farmer and well known local identity, competing against the young fellow standing for National.
This could give ACT 2 constituency MPs !!!
Maybe Iceman, but already John Banks' removal has scuppered some National policies from being furthered.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/act-lea...sion-ck-157292