Get ready to buy your property, JT. Told you that the recovery will be in 2021 and you did not believe me.
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A Very Long Hard Winter coming up for many
Reports of Rapidly rising Unemployment appearing in the Media, but that's just the start
More retrenchments & Further Unemployment on the way
Winz will be very busy as they have never known before .. Accommodation & Other Top ups will be in demand
There will be a lot of unhappy folk around, having lost Jobs, Houses, Businesses and livelyhoods during Labour's dastardly very late overkill of the job
All these affected folk are sure going to want to be throwing support behind a Tardy floundering Labour crew.. but only if they have their 'block all light out'blinkers on securely...
Returning expats (400k) from the social markets of europe will be added to the voter rolls. With their public transport, legal marijuana and social policies, tax free bands/thresholds and more ambitious climate policies they will look at NZ and want to improve it compared to the state of the country they left and we took in third world migrants to replace.
"Hmmm.. what's going on here with this no exemption GST, no tax free band etc". They don't have a stake in property or land either.
Good to see Twyford doing his bit to encourage councils to keep rates low under the circumstances: [Quote] "Don't cut your rates"
"If you want Government to be a partner, investing alongside you in your communities, we expect you to use your balance sheets and do your bit."
Finally someone smelling the coffee!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...navirus-claims
The Media whiners are probably too busy cuddled up around the Media Communal Wishing Well, hoping for another visit from Robertson to throw in another large Govt Donation - that not one would dare break wind or burp to disturb the chances..
And for that matter they probably dont think they should have to come up with a valid reason on why they should be excluded from the larger Wishing Pool, which Robertson has constantly ignored & avoided..
“And yes, the Government will eventually have to answer for all the damage to the economy that it has unnecessarily inflicted with a too-restrictive lockdown.
The lockdown might be justified, but total economic shut down and the length of it will come under scrutiny.
Most likely National will bounce back and most likely voters will again believe the narrative that it is the party best suited to fixing a shattered economy.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/n...ectid=12327334
Interesting to take a look back at this , pity Twyford didn't ask himself the same questions when he had the mandate to fix it .....
https://www.interest.co.nz/property/...sees-challenge
Remember the howling from Labour when National was using motels .....
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...after-lockdown
Do yoiu really think so ? This Government shut down parliament and runs the country by a small committee. After 9/11 and the Chch/Kaikoura earthquakes previous Governments called extraordinary sessions of parliament to debate their actions. After all we are a parliamentary democracy. The current way this country is being run is scary, with the only focus on COVID numbers and everything else left to crash and burn. People that do not agree with St Cindy and her followers are attacked and rubbished in conventional and social media. This is not healthy.
The World will look back in a year or two and I am not sure the NZ reaction to this crisis will get a high mark overall with our huge unemployment and enconomic ruin.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...n-is-unhealthy
Agreed. This is a completely different situation than normal. There are bills being proposed, including one to nullify various aspects of the Human Rights Act, and it is extremely important that we hear the opposition's view points as well. if anything, this is a time where would should be paying far more attention to what the Government and opposition are saying.
You don't see a difference between emergencies that were short duration events (over in minutes essentially), and the current pandemic, which is an on-going thing? And the fact that the MPs and their staff, and other parliamentary staff travelling will in fact be a vector for spreading covid-19, unlike earthquakes which aren't contagious last time I checked.
sigh, the regular legislative program is on hold until parliament resumes, the only parliamentary actions in happening at the moment are temporary measures related to the pandemic, and they did setup a special committee including Simon bloody bridges to review this stuff.
Why the sigh?
This government had no mandate to spend tens of billions in the manner that they have. No mandate to curtail civil rights in the manner that they have. (this is a statement of fact, not a criticism). They rely solely on parts of the Health Act and Civil Defence Act to move to a State of Emergency.
It is imperative that they are held to close scrutiny through this process. A very small number of people have made decisions to spend billions of dollars with no mandate other than they happened to be in the hotseat at the time.
Absolutely correct. The "sigh" is a typical response. Nobody is supposed to say anything that may seem like criticism of the Government. It is also very debatable whether the "legislative program" is on hold. Only a couple of weeks ago did the Government circumvent normal parliamentary process by pushing through (by stealth) the prisoner voting bill past the select committee. Do not think for a minute this lot is not using this pandemic to quietly advance their political agenda without scrutiny, particulartly through the tens of bilions they are spending in the name of the pandemic. The amounts are so huge that nobody can monitor nor question them, hence the need for parliamentary debate.
*sigh*
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hans...00325_20200325
Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): Thank you, Mr Speaker. The National Party stands to support this bill and the efforts of the Government to try and respond to this unprecedented challenge to our way of life and our health and our ability to earn a living and look after ourselves and our families.
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Hon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister of Internal Affairs): I rise on behalf of New Zealand First in support of the Imprest Supply (Third for 2019/20) Bill in front of us today—as has been mentioned, $52 billion that the Government is, I guess, seeking from this House to ensure the work that the Minister of Finance and those supporting him have been doing to support New Zealand businesses, New Zealand's self-employed, New Zealand banks, New Zealand individuals, New Zealand homes, and New Zealand families while we deal with what we need to deal with to address COVID-19.
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Hon TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua): I rise with the National Party supporting this legislation, and we do so knowing its importance but also the significant impact it will have on all New Zealanders for so very many years to come. The finance Minister in his intervention earlier said that this is about jobs—saving jobs—and about saving homes, and National agrees with him. Indeed, it's about giving certainty and surety to every single New Zealander and for them to know that this House stands beside them.
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Hon JAMES SHAW (Minister for Climate Change): I rise to confirm the Green Party's support for this imprest supply bill.
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Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House): Following discussions across the House, I seek leave for the introduction and passing through all stages of the COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill and the COVID-19 Response (Urgent Management Measures) Legislation Bill, and that there be no debate on the first and second readings, and no committee stage of those bills.
SPEAKER: Is there any objection to that process being followed? There appears to be none.
1st and 2nd readings..
[..]Third Reading
Hon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance): I move, That the COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill be now read a third time. [...]
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Hon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National): Thank you, Madam Speaker. National will be supporting this piece of legislation, the COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill. Ordinarily, we wouldn't be wildly enthusiastic about rushing through legislation involving tax and social security changes. Ordinarily, you would want to spend many months having a select committee process and making sure that things have been done properly and we're not having unintended consequences, but we understand the need to move swiftly. This is part of the Government's COVID-19 response.
[..]
Hon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister of Internal Affairs): Kia ora, Madam Speaker. So I rise on behalf of my colleague Fletcher Tabuteau to contribute on behalf of New Zealand First to the COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill. New Zealand First will be supporting the bill.
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Hon TODD McCLAY (National—Rotorua): Madam Speaker, thank you. The National Party also supports this legislation, and we do so because it's important that we can move on and people can have certainty.
Yep, no mandate.. none at all. Clowns:p:p:p:p:p
With major questions arising over Jacinda Ardern’s judgement in adopting the elimination strategy and imposing one of the strictest lockdowns in the world, the lack of scrutiny of her decision-making is disturbing.
Treasury has quantified the devastating cost to the economy of the PM’s extremist approach. As a result of four weeks of lockdown, unemployment is expected to rise from four per cent to 13.5 per cent – increasing the number of unemployed from 111,000 to 371,000. It’s anticipated that a further $20 billion in Government support will be needed to cushion the blow – in addition to the $25 billion already spent fighting the virus.
According to the OECD, the prime minister’s lockdown will result in New Zealand suffering one of the biggest declines in economic activity in the world
https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star...SdSdome_HnP_5A
Ah yes, of course ignoring that the effect on NZ is greater because we have a great reliance on tourism than most other OECD countries (not the world, lets be accurate here), and the OECD report doesn't take into account the effects of the stimulus package. Wouldn't matter who was in govt, or whether we closed our borders or not, even if our borders weren't closed, pretty much everybody else's are, tourism is stone cold dead, globally.
Meanwhile look at our covid death rate compared to Ireland, a country with similar population. They have almost as meany dead as we've had cases, oh and they've extended their lockdown another 3 weeks.. that makes it 5 weeks. Perhaps you'd like to look to the USA, where they didn't lockdown soon enough.. but they did mostly lockdown in the end.. (like pretty much everybody else has eventually), so they have refrigerated trucks holding the overflow from the morgues in cities and at rest homes nationwide. And the labour coalition f--ked it up you say? bwahaha.
PS: Sweden, which the coronavirus ignorant seem to love to trot out as model for success for not locking down.. the OECD report predicts a slightly greater GDP hit for them than NZ. And they've already got 2200 deaths in a population a fraction over twice our size.
I applaud the righties, for doing such a good job of staying in your bubbles.. pity the MOH & PM meant household/social bubbles.
It seems to me that , in hindsight,
That when the Level 4 was announced in NZ there was an extraordinary amount of unknown unknowns about COVID 19
What was known was there was an extraordinary amount of deaths in affected countries
That it was spreading at an alarming rate
And that in hindsight
Italy in particular has such a high rate of deaths because they continued to keep their businesses open
That for Level 4 to work relies on social distancing
That social distancing would only work if people's needs where supplied to them as much as possible otherwise they would need to work/try to find work
While the Govt handouts is likely to just delay the inevitable collapse of companies it has allowed Level 4 to do its work it eliminating Covid 19
Was the handouts to much?,not enough?,to broad?,not broad enough?
Whatever they where it allowed Level 4 to work
I hope this is not NZ and we are are moving away from this
"The trend towards centralised, authoritarian rule evident in countries such as India, Brazil and Turkey, and typified by China and Russia, has coincided with the rise of rightwing nationalist-populist governments and parties in Europe. Some are now following China’s lead in attempting to weaponise the virus for political ends."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hape-the-world
And more
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...+28+April+2020
Well it looks like we are already right in the middle of it with our glorious leader Jacinda and the apparachik telling us all what we can and cannot do. Questions being answered with a "no" and left at that. "only believe us and our handlers". Definitely centralised left wing authoritarian rule evident in NZ. Not good, quite worrying really.
WB thoughts sound interesting
“It means increasing the Earned Income Tax Credit, because I think that's a better system,” he added. “What they need is more money in their pocket. Now, you can do more money in the pocket through a minimum wage, but you don't have as many people working. You need something so they have money in their pocket.”
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/warre...134650421.html
Perhaps you don't understand the definition of mandate. Nobody in this country voted for this at the last election. Perhaps if you read Paul Goldsmith's last statement in your quoting of Hansard you may note his underlying concern which I and other posters are reiterating.
A little less arrogance and an abandoning of a sheeple approach would perhaps open your eyes.
Treasury and the OECD are working with ACT? Remove the blinkers westerly!
Apart from her rant on the RMA it seems an article based on International findings and NZ govt reports. I don't support ACT but she highlights many of my concerns...particularly the ongoing health costs and deaths we will see for the next 10 years.
Jesus wept.. the last election was three years ago. Nobody had this on the radar, nobody could have asked for or given a mandate from the general public.
Luckily we have a representative democracy, we elect representatives to do the decision making for us on a day to day basis, particularly when time is of the essence and there isn't a chance for a long drawn out public debate and endless committees. And that is what they did.. the representatives elected by the people supported this action, thats the bloody mandate.
And you can take your sheeple comment and shove it right up your arse.
First you complain there was no mandate for the spending and the new (temporary) restrictions on movement etc, then you deny it was a mandate after I provide the hansard of the legislation being supported by all the parties. You're a joke, i can't take you seriously, you're so busy spinning round in your own little bubble its ridiculous. And the ERC is back in session today, we still have opposition parties being represented, just in a streamlined way.
I should have described ACT as survival of the rich. As for the ongoing health costs and deaths, I have a bit more respect for the resilience of Kiwis. I sometimes wonder if the amazing increase in the support sector has been followed by the increase in mental health problems.?
westerly
The "spending" is a moveable feast that is largely being (so far) paid to Labour's voter base. The "temporary" restrictions on movement are likely to be eased once an app is available that can track your every movement. Our useless media's only question so far is "when will it be available?" not, will there be a built in expiry date....or what does this mean for our long term civil liberties?
The media lovefeast for Ardern and doting supporters are prepared to give up Civil Rights hard fought for over centuries without giving it a second thought.
Guess you don't know how apps work. You install them.. and when you're done with them, you uninstall them. Its pretty simple really, most 12yos can manage it.
And the spending so far has mostly gone to businesses, $8.7 billion on wage subsidies, $6.2b on targeted business finance relief package, Essential workers leave subsidy scheme (paid to businesses). Compared to $3b on benefit increase and support?
The only moveable feast is for the flies feasting on the bull**** coming from you as usual.
Nobody is giving up civil rights, we're temporarily sacrificing exercising them to try not to kill off a chunk of our population and avoid the fate that has befallen the "land of the free".. overflowing morgues,dead people everywhere.
Reality really doesn't get a look in with you does it?
I understand Apps perfectly well thank you. You would uninstall it unless it became impossible to purchase something without having to scan your phone first.
As for the understanding the govt spend...the bulk of the billions is designed to end up in the pockets of employees...Labour's voter base. You know... the wage subsidy bit!!!
I find the more reality I expose the more abusive the response. You fit the pattern.
I don't think you've seen reality in a long time.. Perhaps loosen the tinfoil hat a bit, it might help get the blood flow back to your brain.
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".the bulk of the billions is designed to end up in the pockets of employees...Labour's voter base ".
Really, all employees are labour voters? Then how the hell did national ever get into power, considering 80% of workers are employees? This is exactly what i mean by reality not intruding on your little bubble. I really can't be bothered engaging any further with someone that far off the planet. enjoy your afternoon of fighting against imagined boogie men named jacinda.
This is the very same David Clark who had time to go mountain biking and to his beach?
But he has no time to read a long awaited report on reforming the health system?
"...... it was wrong that everyone had to wait for Dr Clark, given the amount of effort and cost that had gone into the review".
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/...nterest-report
"Health Minister David Clark’s decision not to receive the long-awaited final report of the $9.5million Heather Simpson-led review of the health and disability system "anytime in the near future" means the public cannot see what it contains either. Dr Clark’s only explanation for the delay is that he does not want any resources diverted from the Covid-19 response."
Telling it as it is - Cindy & her bunch of incompetents have no idea whatsoever about business, and it shows.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12327901
One of the owners of Glenfield mall in Auckland, Dallas Pendergrast, said they had 115 tenants and they'd halved their rents during the lockdown.
And they would be doing that again next month but there was uncertainty about how long that could continue.
The Government had totally ignored SMEs, she said.
Pendergrast called Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern's public thanks to SMEs "an insult" because the Government had "no idea" about small businesses.
"They don't want a thank you, they want to get back to work.
"In the meantime they want Government help."
Compassion didn't pay the bills, she said.
If it were not for the Americans and our armies fighting, we would be speaking a version of Nip right now in NZ. Or if not speaking it, it would be the official language and we non Japs would be slaves to the Emporer. Pretty sure our civil liberties would be gone.
As for Europe, well we all know what happened between 1940 and 1944 under Nazi rule. Civil liberties totally gone and Jews and other non humans exterminated. Yeah nah, don't buy it as myth.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12328085
Very same David Clark who does not have time to read the Healthcare Report but strike #3, he has time to move house!
Talking of Japanese On this thread , wonder if Labour Govt adopting the same approach with job for life .... It’s like a downgrade from a company there is always another to come . Jacinda should have sacked him first offence . All she has done is leave him on a whooping ministers salary to let Ashley do his job for the last month .
There is very good point on exactly why CLARK & his Ministry Of Health did not pick up the Virus Trend in countries very close to China in early days & pick up / research why the likes of Taiwan had so Low Death & Infection rates for their population & why that was occurring..
It was really only very Simple Analysis that was needed - ie: Which Countries should be on the Chart but are NOT ; or are not following the general expected trend ? Even a child could work out what was missing on a chart!
Is this sort of trend analysis too much to ask of presumed intelligent High Level Health Professionals & Spinning Political Numpties to exercise just a little commonsense & use the things parked on their shoulders to look just a little outside the box ?
Taiwan should have come up instantly & given them idea of exactly what was needed to deal with & contain things at an early time.
Taiwan are experienced in dealing with Pandemic type events from past - and were turning away Cruise Ships / preparing from January 2020
The First & Most important First Warning Govt & Ministry of Health had was the Mercy Flight of Passengers off the Cruise Ship up not far from Taiwan - in receipt of this they dithered and dreamed on looking only at what was immediately infront of their Noses with Whangaparaoa Quarantine ignoring the picture outside the box, but not by far.
Govt's own lack of action & Tardiness in looking at the valid correct pointers, with effective action needed in time at that time effectively resulted in their orchestrating an even larger (& unnecessary) Crisis on the whole country.
The Labour Government & Ministry of Health have a very lot to answer for to all Kiwi's for the apparently slow, ineffective & incompetent dealing with the Covid-19 Pandemic from outset and both Govt & MOH could have done very considerably better
This would change things wouldn't it ? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ina-scientists
You are in the minority there https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12324302
westerly
You are away with the fairies. In a situation like this, or any other emergency/crisis situation, of course the government must tell us “what to do.” Did you complain when you were told not to go into the city after the Christchurch earthquakes? Did you complain when you were told to stay away from the mosque after the terror attack? Would you complain if you heard a tsunami siren telling you to stay away from the coast? For Pete’s sake - the government has a role to play in any crisis situation and you and I, as citizens do as we are told.
It is as if you you have set yourself an “every minute of every day” mission to somehow convince NZ that Jacinda is the Devil. You have blinders on buddy.
The examples you give present clear and immediate visible threats. This virus is very unclear. Certainly a threat, but what action is needed and to what degree do we clamp the economy to deal with it? This is very unclear. The downside (health and economic) is yet to be felt, but will be for likely minimum 10 years. The threat to our civil liberties is extreme with no guarantee we will return to the previous status quo.
The fact that literally nothing is clear about this virus yet, is all the more reason for the government to take an extreme stance. We are slowly building a picture of this virus, but the reality is, it will be months, if not years, before we know exactly how it operates and how/if, it can be successfully treated or vaccinated against. It is a pandemic. That’s a fact. How can you possibly expect any government to automatically know how to deal with it? Our government has taken their responsibility seriously. They have made a decision to err on the side of caution and it has paid off. The cynics amongst you of course, will claim that we would have ended up where we are now without such stringent measures. But that is BS. None of you know that. Nobody does. You can compare us with other countries as much as you like to back your argument, but there are way too many variables for that argument to hold any water. Climate/weather, pollution, population density, standard of living, food/nutrition/diet, water quality, health/exercise and all other aspects of life in any particular country, may all influence the way this virus behaves or effects the population. Nobody has a rule book. Nobody has a crystal ball. Not you, not me, not even the medical researchers/scientists. At some point down the track, they might. But until then, I for one am very satisfied with the way our government has managed this, for us. There is literally no place I would rather be living right now. And no, there are no guarantees that life will ever return to normal. There are no guarantees in life. There never have been and there never will be. It will be what it will be.
Hear hear, we are in a lucky place with a safe pair of hands with a great team of advisors around her. Prob i have is with the dimwits who place an unhealthy fatty fast meal above their country and the people around them. Queueing close together (see bulls post) is the way to undo all the good that has been done.Looks like they will have to close these fast-food outlets again.
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That is where we disagree. I do not think they have erred on the side of caution at all. By going for such a hard lock down they have caused thousands of kiwi's to lose their jobs, people missing surgeries, people becoming poorer with adverse health outcomes, quite possible a lower life expectancy to come with lower quality of life. People in despair, people missing out on contacts that are so important for mental health as well as other health. This government have gone for the high risk approach to eliminate or eradicate, or whatever the flavor of the day seems to be, a virus that quite likely will be with us regardless.
You weren't doing too bad until you claimed the decision they made has paid off. We don't know that, and won't till the next decade or two has passed by and we can analyse suicide stats. heart attack, strokes, domestic violence killings and all that happy stuff. We might find that instead of a pay-off, there has been a cost. So far Sweden has 233 deaths per million as opposed to our 4, but their braniacs seem to think their approach will win long term.
Precisely the point - this government is shamelessly using the virus crisis to score political advantage rather than transparently keeping NZers up to date with the full picture.
For a government which has no hesitation spending taxpayers' funds to commission all manner of studies and scenarios, where is the study to assess how many suicides, premature deaths, sickness and health problems are going to occur because of this 'strictest' lockdown in the world?
We know simplistically that :
Unemployment -> Depression -> Health & Social Problems -> Deaths
What's the trade-off?
Shamelessly giving us a chance to eliminate covid and get back to some form of normal but after seeing lines of braindead people queueing close together at fast food centres in some sort of risk on justification beggars belief.
I disagree. Yes, there have been inconveniences and yes, there has been an effect on businesses and the economy. But it has been for a very short period of time in the grand scheme of things. In two weeks we will probably be down to Level 2, which will be pretty close to “normal” life again. I can’t speak for public surgeries, but elective surgery has resumed at at least one private hospital - my daughter is back in theatre this week. Everything at her hospital is now back to normal. All of us have missed out on contact with loved ones but we will pick up where we left off. We should be grateful for the technology we have at our disposal as it has allowed us to keep in touch with our families and friends. Our rest home residents have enjoyed catching up with family/friends via Zoom, phone calls and video links via Messenger on their phones etc. They have even been able to see and talk (yell!) to visitors outside the building from a “safe” area set up with barriers to ensure a safe physical distance between people. And guess what? None of them are complaining. Not about the lockdown. Not about being isolated. Not about being restricted. Not about the government. Because most of them have lived through tough times in the past and they understand that these restrictions are to protect us all. Yes, no doubt people dealing with mental health issues, may well be struggling right now, but my guess is they would prefer that for a short time, than they would a stay in the covoid19 ward.
Nothing in life is perfect. It just isn’t. Yet you and others seem to think perfection exists. If you are so disappointed with the way NZ has handled this, maybe you should go live in Trumpland. Then you would have something real to complain about.
Telling someone to go live somewhere else when their own place has been turned on its head without their consent is a little extreme...I think anyway.
The one word of your post in BOLD is important.
The REAL consequences will be seen in the dole queue, the insolvencies, the mortgagee sales, the drug use, the health statistics, the suicides.
That is one seriously huge generalisation, which you are using as propaganda to serve your own agenda. The government has always supported the unemployed and that will not change. Yes, no doubt some people who find themselves unemployed now, will experience depression and/or anxiety. That is a normal reaction to a sudden change in one’s circumstances. Those with current mental health issues may find those are compounded right now, but they will be supported. The vast majority of people who now find themselves unemployed will not fall into a pit of depression and will not contemplate or commit suicide. With support from the government, social assistance, support from NGO and charitable agencies, support from family and friends - they will get through it. Maybe you could channel your anger into helping someone in that situation in some way? Volunteer to make daily calls to people, to mentor them in something you have skills in. Donate some of your investment income to agencies supporting people. Do something meaningful and proactive to help somebody else. One thing I can tell you for sure - you will get more joy, more satisfaction and more happiness out of focusing on others, than you will ever get from trying to win your arguments here. It is so easy to sit at home ranting and raving, day after day. All that has done is make you bitter. It is also not good for your health. None of your protestations have achieved anything. Nothing. Neither have mine, but at least I get out every day and focus on serving other human beings. Which is far, far more beneficial.
There has been some research done on this topic. For every 1% increase in unemployment costs about 500 lives in a NZ context if we extrapolate the data from the US (pop 330m, NZ pop 5m). So yes increase in unemployment has a huge cost and that is forgetting the flow on effects to the rest of society as well...
You seem rather naive or arrogant as well. You "protest" on here and say that you at least get out every day etc etc. How do you know that Jonu, or anyone else for that matter does not do exactly the same? (btw your work does not count because you do that for remuneration) I am talking about the extra things we do to help others. You cannot judge someone by the arguments they posit on a share trading site.
Justakiwi means well but I sincerely believe she is so besotted with Cindy she cannot accept Saint Cindy can do any wrong.
Question left unanswered - What is the flow in effect of the ‘strictest lockdown in the world’ on incremental unemployment & the effects in social & health problems?
Will only require another $5m from this government’s unlimited budgets for studies & reports into all manner of things.
But don’t expect this government to commission such a report - because it will show this lockdown on the negative side.
Sad.
Don’t feel sorry for me, justakiwi although I appreciate your sentiment.
You should feel sorry though for the tens of thousands of NZers needlessly thrown out of their jobs because of the ‘strictest lockdown’ in the world.
Their sufferings are going to be profound and there will be social & health problems for years to come.
So sorry you live in a different planet from those of us who have had to console NZers who were made redundant & jobless in the past.
It is soul destroying and it beggars belief that this government is not commissioning a report to quantify how many additional jobless and corresponding deaths this ‘strictest lockdown’ in the world has caused. Why?
I accept your point of view even though I disagree with it. What I struggle with however, is the way you present your arguments and your constant “ramping up” of pretty much everything. It’s as if you never stop to take a breath.
Either way, you are not good for my emotional or mental well-being, so once again, I am out. The sun is shining, birds are singing, and life is too precious to waste it in pointless debates. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Covid-19 briefing today :
In response to a question of the possibility of the wealth gap widening because of the virus, Cindy undertakes to make sure that the gap will be addressed in the budget and in the years ahead.
Well, Cindy is already doing an outstanding job of creating more unemployment that necessary through the ‘strictest lockdown’ in the world, and balancing that increase in social welfare beneficiaries via impoverishing Mom & Dad through zero direct help for their businesses. Clever, huh?
Watch out for a whole raft of wealth tax in the budget. Sock it to the ‘rich’ so everybody becomes poor and closed the wealth gap.
Be afraid, be very very vigilant of the socialist agenda of this economically incompetent government.
As in plenty of promises made, broken and hidden:
Kiwibuild
CGT
Child poverty
Police numbers
Transparency
Accountability
Highest level of performance - Clare Curran, Phil Twyford, Iain Lees-Galloway, David Clark
And now, using the virus crisis to close the gap between so-called haves & have nots by increasing numbers of Have-Nots.
Bravo, westerly!
Yep , always know better dont they, wannabe armchair hindsight heroes but sadly rather caste methinks.If they aren't benificary bashing,Govt knocking, strong woman hating,, trumpifying, making irrelevant noises, and misinformation, being trolls for national.
Its an incredible balancing act going on right now and this govt is doing remarkably well with results so far. Just look at other countries and see the overrun hospitals, the massive un employment, the looming food shortages etc etc. We so lucky here.
Just changing the direction slightly here, it seems to me that the govt, which I give full marks for its handling of the crisis so far, now runs the risk of being accused of milking the situation for their own benefit. Perhaps a daily news bulletin, rather than a full blown daily press conference will soon be appropriate?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12328348
Professor Gorman :
NZ caught totally un-prepared for virus outbreak despite plenty of warnings from outbreak overseas.
Being an island nation, defence against outbreak must be at the border to stop those with the virus spreading it.
High trust model of self-isolation for the tens of thousands of travellers into NZ - naive in the extreme.
Should have used police and/or army (like in Taiwan) to make sure self-isolation strictly enforced. War against Covid-19 - necessary action.
Strictest lockdown ONLY option due to above.
Fortunate NZers took outbreak seriously - why lockdown works.
Economic costs are going to be horrendous. Unnecessary if tough and decisive action taken initially.
Well....we have an opportunity later this year to get a new government....if that is what the collective “we” want.
It’s not so far away. Be interesting to see the outcome.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12328854
Labour at 55%, National under 30% in UMR polls.
Good stuff!
Will hasten departure of Simon. :t_up:
I read today that Bridges has been withholding Nationals own internal polling from his MP's.
Todd Muller has to be a contender.