I thought it relevant given the Greens are part of this government. Maybe Citizens Assemblies will be on their wish list when they next have Cindy over a barrel?
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"An unelected bunch of people developing policy for the rest of us"?
That sounds uncannily like
* any number of special-interest lobbying organisations,
* the focus groups which political parties pay for to determine the electability or otherwise of their policies,
* the standard local and central government consultation process, like any number of government departments providing advice to ministers,
* all the other, less formal, methods of providing feedback on government policies - petitions, demonstrations, and the like
You might also like to consider the Ostbelgien model.
IMHO the only thing in your list it slightly resembles is the "Special Interest Lobby Groups". I would certainly like greater transparency on what they get up to, along with the exMPs and Ministers acting as consultants that still have access to the corridors at the Beehive.
As for the Ostbelgien model, without knowing too much about it, it would appear they are dealing with an incredibly complex history and mix of cultures.
And, with that "incredibly complex history and mix of cultures", they're being very pragmatic in searching for stuff that works for them.
Those governments which display unwillingness or inability to change eventually reap the whirlwind - as history so amply demonstrates.
Labour today denied a request of the former President of NZFirst Lester Gray and Treasurer Colin Forster to be heard at Justice Select Committee. Mr Gray resigned in October saying “This type of operation does not align with my moral and business values”.
NZ First was the only party to not declare any donations at Election 2017. Its anonymous donations were $342,000 more than ten times any other party. On top of this is $500,000 of secret donations to its foundation. NZ has a right to know who were major funders of the party that determined outcome of Election 2017.
And PM proclaims this is the most open and transparent Government ever !
And here's Cindy quiet as usual when it comes to bad news and uncomfortable truth :
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...jason-kerrison
"Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has not yet responded to a request for comment."
Spindoctors paid by taxpayers are busy behind the scenes putting lipsticks on this pig of a story.
Agree with that FP. Faafoi seems to be a competent Minister. I hope this doesn't undo him. We sure don't need less competent Minister in this Government
Until he took on part of Housing his portfolios were not challenging. And his housing announcements were for initiatives already well under way.
People keep saying he is competent, but not hard to be competent in easy portfolios.
Although, maybe people mean competent in comparison, and that would be fair comment.
Faafoi has no delicadeza (sense of propriety) or even an honour not to resign. And it's very hard to understand what Ardern's leadership really is.
Jacinda does not look well in today's press conference - she looks pale, rattled and obviously stressed.
Yet, she fronted the White Island eruption when really, it should be the Minister of Civil Defense and Emergency Management, Peeni Henare.
What can be read into it?
A cabinet of incompetents.
Morning sickness? #2 on the way? Poor thing, like she's not got enough to worry about than a bunch of tourists visiting a live volcano .. I mean, what could possibly go wrong!
I feel for the tourists, they'e been duped and now predictably the volcano does it's thing as it does frequently and people are hurt. Who to blame, surely not the tourists. ****ing idiot gouging tour operators need their heads read putting punters in the face of certain though unpredictable doom. Walk on a live volcano, yeah right .. great idea.
It certainly is a great idea. Having visited the island several times over the years, it's a rare opportunity to see a living or active volcano. The risk factor is minimal. Way back there was a bunch of miners who worked and lived there, who were wiped out. I think there were ten and were camped in the most vulnerable spot. Sulphur mining stopped in the early 1900s. To the best of my knowledge there has been no loss of life since despite boat loads of visitors inspecting the place daily (in excess of 20,000 per year). In addition there are several helicopter trips every week that land in the crater for a real view.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118...ism-attraction
https://www.whiteisland.co.nz
No warning from what I can see about the risk of sudden eruption.
I've lost count of the times I have walked the Milford track. I've yet to encounter trampers or tourists put off because of the occasional avalanche. And they've wiped out a few. Point is there are risks in nature. But getting out and about is what makes an interesting life.
So true, on the same page here.Must be hundreds of thousands over many many years have been thrilled walking around in/on a live volcano including us. Bad luck and thoughts are with the families.
Somewhat disturbed by the unsympathetic tone of this "discussion". Several lives have been lost, remember?
I'm not a Jacinda or Labour fan, but full marks to her for the way she fronted to another tragic situation.
Sorry, don't agree, we already have too much cotton wool culture. They knew it was an active volcano, they took the risk willingly. Perhaps the risk should have been spelled out more clearly, or with the elevated activity level (was at 2) they should have not permitted the tours, but to say no member of the public should be able to go to white island at all, stuff that.
Lol.the country and economy is travelling well with low unemployment, high commodity prices and wage growth. Business sentiment is improving . Grant Robertson has been prudent and careful with spending, the books are looking fantastic,so much so that the govt can start some big spending on NZ increasing up to 25%. Most countries are @ 50% or more. Undisputable facts.
Take off the blinkers - and lets not just talk about the areas where even you must have noticed that Labour policies like Kiwi build (how many houses did they promise?), Justice reform (they jumped as tiger and landed as bed rug), healthcare (less care but exploding costs) or education (quality reduction and cost blow out) are a total disaster.
Jacinda talked during the campaign a lot about child poverty in New Zealand ... and how Labour would make things better for poor children.
More than 2 years down the track - and while there might be now a handful more taxpayer funded and overpaid debating clubs without any clue - absolutely nothing has changed for the children:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...in-new-zealandQuote:
The Ardern government has failed to reduce child poverty in New Zealand, the children’s commissioner says, despite the prime minister’s pledge to make the country the best place in the world to be a child.
The children’s commissioner, Andrew Becroft, released the annual child poverty monitor on Monday which has found 148,000 children live in homes experiencing material hardship in six or more areas, including lack of access to basics such as warm clothing, health care and food. The figures are unchanged since the first report into child poverty in 2012.
Unfortunately it is not enough to wish that things get better for everybody ... a government needs also to have the competence to achieve its promises. This is the part where Labour is severely lacking. Nice wishes, lots of talk - but nothing to show for.
Don’t forget the fuel price increases courtesy of tax increases? From a government which pledged no new taxes or increased taxes.
Facts are better then fables. Find the truth and the truth will set you free.
Lots of firepower coming, many $billions of spend as our finance Minister has steered a prudent cautious ship to do more of the above. A safe caring govt making a good caring fist of it this term.lots more to follow.
Sorry but the facts are getting in the way of spin.
Go through the 'facts' one by one and the star dust turns into bull dust fairly quickly.
Examples :
1. Trained over 1500 more police recruits - Labour's promise was to boost police numbers by 1800 over 3 years. Guess how many Bull Dust Labour added?
2. 149 million trees have been planted , so far - what happened to the billion trees program? And how many of those 149m trees were going to be planted anyway by the foresters (careful before you answer)?
Bull dust is bull dust.
Sure - slightly reducing the free float of uncontrolled deadly weapons in NZ was a sensible move, but otherwise?
Most of the things you have listed are election lollies - cheap for the government and dear for the taxpayer. Typical Labor - throwing tax payer money at beneficiaries or increasing the cost of work for the people who provide real jobs. Any government without a brain can do that ... spending somebody else's money .... until reality bites back.
Funny thing is that despite wasting many millions of tax payer money (just re-read your list) they achieved nothing - zero - zilch.
Child poverty is as bad as it used to be, which proves my point. Anybody can throw money at problems, even Labor. However - this unfortunately does not solve problems.
Don't tell us about Labour throwing our money away. Again - any idiot can do that.
Tell us about one big problem NZ had which Labour has solved.
A third of Mana in Mahi entrants withdraw before completion. Not very many in the programme so far, but if that drop out rate continues the funding rate per participant might get close to the $400+ for full time PGF jobs.
The big problem with big announcements is that questions get asked.
Don't even get me started on Kiwibuild.
Labour is practicing the worse kind of socialism this country has ever seen yet - if you are hard working self employed or an employer, you can expect to get taxed more and carry more costs so Labour can spend spend spend on its fan base - the ones who think everyone else owes them a freaking living.
Yeah . Dont try try and try again. What a selfish rotten bunch we have above, wanting to keep the status quo. this govt is improving the life of many .How about you start making donations yourselves. Greedy is the word that comes to mind. Its a happening and you wont stop it. Climb on board this train and contribute to a better NZ or stay behind and be unproductive irrelevant knockers, the choice is yours.;)
Acknowledge or be blind.
https://www.sharetrader.co.nz/images...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Joshuatreehttps://www.sharetrader.co.nz/images...post-right.pngJust a few things this govt has done so far ,getting on with it reviewing, exposing, fixing ,doing.
Extended Paid parental leave
Set standards for rental homes to ensure they are warm and dry
Winter energy payments for a million people
384,000 families get an average $75 a week extra
Launched Mana in Mahi , will help 1000's of young people into apprenticeships etc
Banned overseas speculators from buying houses in NZ
Cheaper doctors visits for 500,000 plus children and community service card holders
Increased funding for up to 1700 schools so parents dont have to donate it.
Largest ever frontline investment in mental health.
Trained over 1500 more police recruits
92000 jobs since this govt formed, unemployment lowest in 11 years, hence increased tax take
Resumed contributions to govt super fund
Stopped nationals state house selloff.
Increased min wage to $17.70 giving 209,000 people away rise. More to come.
Fantastic surplus budget to use when the going gets tough, Global meltdown) very prudent.
Ban of military style weapons
The Christchurch call bringing global platforms onboard!
149 million trees have been planted , so far.
etcetcetc
2,206 new state homes added better than none!
How we'll plant one billion trees | Forestry NZ | NZ Governmenthttps://www.mpi.govt.nz › forestry › about-the-one-billion-trees-programme
I hope you are not aboard the non-existent light train to Mangere and Auckland Airport, flying past all the non-existent Kiwibuild houses ? As soon as the blinkers come off, you´ll realise it was just a bad dream
[QUOTE=Joshuatree;781644]Yeah . Dont try try and try again. What a selfish rotten bunch we have above, wanting to keep the status quo. this govt is improving the life of many .How about you start making donations yourselves. Greedy is the word that comes to mind. Its a happening and you wont stop it. Climb on board this train and contribute to a better NZ or stay behind and be unproductive irrelevant knockers, the choice is yours.;)
Acknowledge or be blind.
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"I want to see family incomes dramatically raised by increasing benefits and making the minimum wage a living wage," Becroft said.
"And the Government needs to move much faster at increasing the supply of social housing – building, buying and repurposing – and working closely with community-based housing providers.”
You should be worried, the Childrens Commisioner wants more money spent.
National with it’s emphasis on reducing expenditure and tax achieved nothing of consequence during its 9 years except create long term problems.
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[QUOTE=iceman;781667]I hope you are not aboard the non-existent light train to Mangere and Auckland Airport, flying past all the non-existent Kiwibuild houses ? As soon as the blinkers come off, you´ll realise it was just a bad dream
"Youve gotta accentuate the positive , eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative dont mess with mr in-between."
So - how come that the number of children living in households with low income in New Zeland was basically stagnant under National and drastically increased under Labour?
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https://figure.nz/chart/O0Nxquqx4Xla...tdmrZ3ImrxePLO
Just tell me - is this just incompetence or does Labour want to increase the number of poor children (more beneficiaries = more future Labor voters)?
That is all good and well in theory. But what do you think happens if this is actually put into practice. Do you really think those on benefits and minimum wages will be better off? I doubt it very much. In fact I can quite actually predict that they will be no better off. Maybe initially (like the first half year) but after that it will be status quo. And if you cannot forsee that then you have ideological blinkers on.
Extended Paid parental leave
Set standards for rental homes to ensure they are warm and dry
Winter energy payments for a million people
384,000 families get an average $75 a week extra
Launched Mana in Mahi , will help 1000's of young people into apprenticeships etc
Banned overseas speculators from buying houses in NZ
Cheaper doctors visits for 500,000 plus children and community service card holders
Increased funding for up to 1700 schools so parents dont have to donate it.
Largest ever frontline investment in mental health.
Increasing minimum wage
Lifted something like 74,000 children out of poverty already
This govt is doing it, MUCH MORE to come and it cant happen overnight after the neglect from the uncaring previous do nothing govt.
The cost of renting is a big issue still.
Balance is a natural born liar. Our Prime minister hasn't reneged on anything. Spot the difference between fact and lying.
Can you read and acknowledge the improvements so far in child poverty . Im betting alot more to come now that Robertson is going towards 25%.
He got back up .
A closer look at Phil Twyford's much-anticipated Bill that will give central government the power to fast-track large urban development projects. Read more »
You are talking in riddles - or did you just loose it?
Firstly it seems this has nothing to do with child poverty, where Labor obviously added a lot of negative value. I assume changing the topic is your acknowledgement that you agree they did a terrible job and need to be replaced by people who know what they are doing. Correct?
And secondly - why would anybody want to raise Mr. "Chinese sounding names" alias Mr "Kiwi build" to defend Labors performance? I guess it would be hard to find anybody still less competent even in the Labor caucus ...
If you wanted to convince us that this government is inept, than you clearly did a great job ...
You have to inform yourself and read the facts, no-one is going to spoon-fed you, and thats the last thing you or i want. Your negativity i hope stops at the political door or life would be untenable for those around you.
This forum covers many topics and if you cant see the link between rental/housing shortage and poverty . Well read some facts. "fast tracking urban developments" and all the red tape was one of the many complex issues for kiwi build.
Reminds me of Reginald Perrin who decides to change his name, Something like "i will call myself by the first thing i see" as he looks over fence into a paddock. "Reginald um, ahh, Cowpat".
Get what you are looking for and become it.
Yup - star dust to bull dust.
A female PM who lied about sexual assaults under her watch. Did not want to be associated with bad news, see? :t_down:
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...lt-allegations
News for Labour - BS sticks and most of it is now sticking to Jacinda and she reeks of hypocrisy.
No need for you to be condescending or offensive every time you run out of arguments - and this happens often.
Clearly this country has a number of problems.
Child poverty (as in most other countries) is one of it. Labor so far did absolutely nothing to improve the situation as statistics show. Hard to be positive about this situation.
Housing affordability is (as in most other countries) another problem Labour didn't manage to improve. The buffoon they asked to fix the problem clearly failed - and this is a positive statement.
Our justice system is broken and Labour didn't manage to improve it - they just cranked up the number of patched gang members but didn't deliver on the number of additional police they promised. Too many people behind bars and crime numbers rising. Something feels wrong with these "achievements", wouldn't you say so?
Our education system is in international comparison quite average (look at the Pisa studies) and a highly unionised teacher force wants to increase mediocrity (as unions always do). Labour paid back the unions election support by killing off the charter schools the unions hate. They clearly don't want to see high performance in the education sector - it is threatening for them.
The district health Board system created by the 5th Labor government is getting more indebted by the day and its performance is dropping. More bureaucracy, more debts but less surgeries. Under National both trended into the other direction (debts dropping and surgeries growing). Unfortunately I am quite positive on that :p;
JT - I challenged you before to give me examples where Labour measurably improved the lives of all New Zealanders. The only response I get are examples for Labor burning tax payer money as well as condescending and arrogant posts and offenses.
Even if this really is you (I don't know, is it?), whom do you want to convince this way? I guess it would be Trump supporters who might like this style, but they might not agree with the substance you try to peddle.
Well all i can say is "even a blind man can tell when he is walking in the sun". You will find what you seek as above, facts that this Govt is doing something about and improving lives as above but you choose not to see.
Im glad you are open to the positive things this govt is doing.Was rather worried you had become one eyed.:)
Here we go .Due to the Govt being fiscally prudent
$12b infrastructure boost
"We inherited neglected infrastructure when we took office, including run down hospitals, roads that had been announced but not paid for, overcrowded classrooms and a state housing shortage."He said it would see the Government spending more on infrastructure than any others had in "more than 20 years."
it's all very well to say they will spend 12 Bio on infrastructure . However what has been pointed out numerous times is they promise a lot , 100,000 houses , a billion trees , no new taxes ......but never deliver.
When we see some delivery , maybe we will become believers ....meantime I'm willing to bet some of spending here will be projects that were on the cards ( from National) that they had already discarded ....another flip flop.
Just a few things this govt has done so far ,getting on with it reviewing, exposing, fixing doing.
Extended Paid parental leave
Set standards for rental homes to ensure they are warm and dry
Winter energy payments for a million people
384,000 families get an average $75 a week extra
Launched Mana in Mahi , will help 1000's of young people into apprenticeships etc
Banned overseas speculators from buying houses in NZ
Cheaper doctors visits for 500,000 plus children and community service card holders
Increased funding for up to 1700 schools so parents dont have to donate it.
Largest ever frontline investment in mental health.
Trained over 1500 more police recruits
92000 jobs since this govt formed, unemployment lowest in 11 years, hence increased tax take
Resumed contributions to govt super fund
Stopped nationals state house selloff.
Increased min wage to $17.70 giving 209,000 people away rise. More to come.
Fantastic surplus budget to use when the going gets tough, Global meltdown) very prudent.
Ban of military style weapons
The Christchurch call bringing global platforms onboard!
149 million trees have been planted , so far.
etcetcetc
2,206 new state homes added better than none!
One of the many reasons why the ambitious kiwi build had to be reset is being tackled
Read more »
Yes please do, you are the most one eyed (as i suspected) being on here if you cant acknowledge the achievements so far. by this govt.
The living wage was never intended to be the minimum wage. It was based on a household of 2 adults and 2 children, with 1.5 incomes and a set of criteria. Those criteria are never seen in public these days but IIRC they included some surprising items like overseas holidays. Interesting that when it first went public, with detailed calculations, the very next year the calcs were revised downwards as those responsible decided the initial result was too high to be acceptable. In any case The Treasury published at one point that the two main groups to benefit from a living wage, as calculated, were young singles living at home and the government (higher tax take, reduced transfers).
Social housing costs the taxpayer bigly - capital cost, ongoing maintenance and management, rent subsidies averaging $300 pw. There will always be some who need social housing support, but the taxpayer could save a truckload of money by leaving most of the market to the private sector and paying them the $300 pw.
Meanwhile this Govt keeps rolling out improvements for our society.
Within two years, AODT Court participants are 23 percent less likely to reoffend for any offence, 35 percent less likely to reoffend for a serious offence, and 25 percent less likely to be imprisoned because of their reoffending," Little said.The rollout of other therapeutic and specialist courts over time was also promised.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/assets/news_cr...jpg?1557172749Justice Minister Andrew Little. Photo: RNZ / Ana Tovey
Little said the government had committed to working with Māori to improve outcomes, although no specific policy has been released
Changes to criminal justice system to come into effect today
Time will tell, but at least its a start to improve our justice system. The old method of locking them up and throw the key away clearly does not work.
About time they do something positive and creative instead of just throwing money away ....
JT - pleased you managed to overcome your broken record syndrome - see, you can do it!
"The left is a lie", always has been always will be !
Parrots don't question they just parrot.
Meanwhile this govt incrementally keeps on improving our country and society regardless of the flotsam trying to stop it, or deny it is.
It all adds up.
"Whakapuāwai is a wide-reaching environmental programme that incorporates the establishment of an industrial scale nursery to propagate native plants. The 15-hectare site at Synlait Dunsandel, will be capable of growing more than one million native trees and shrubs annually, and our goal is to plant four million native trees on farms and community land by 2028.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern opened Whakapuāwai planting a kowhai, a native New Zealand tree, that now sits alongside more than 1,000 natives already planted. Synlait staff will also receive one paid day per year to plant natives as a way of supporting commitments to our farmers and communities to jointly restore land in Canterbury."
Synlait tree planting program launched by NZ Prime Minister 2 pages 96.3KB
Just facts, more trees , more people wanting to plant them. Rolling over the blocked minds and doing it.
John Key should be THE poster boy for the Labour party/left, bought up by a single mother ( from eastern Europe ) who had 3 children lived in a state house, a university educated man who rose to the top of the financial world in the U S before returning to N Z to give back to the country which gave him every opportunity to succeed. He phoned his mother every day when possible.
Nobody has ever been able to find any dirt on him no matter how much the different political parties tried.
A wonderful role model for all N Zers, well done John and family.
Teflon John, the slipperiest politician ever imo although i dont think he dumped on where he came from as much as Bennett has ,what an attack dog on lower socio economic folk. There are rumours about her own behaviour when on the benefit.
Classy as ever JT. Trading in smear and innuendo. Everything you accuse the Nats and their supporters of doing. To you apparently only everyone else is a close minded bigot. The woke, inclusive left. The most fascist, narrow minded bigots I've had the misfortune to stumble across.
Lol are you on the juice already TGIF. Im about to go down and have a few beers but where im going its called HAPPY hour not Angostura BITTERs hour:t_up:
J Tree, Please tell ONE thing that John Key did that was wrong, when he decided to enter parliament and again when he was P M two senior members of the L P went over to New York where he worked for several years to try and dig up dirt and guess what, they could not find anyone who said a bad thing about him, they slipped back into N Z but did not tell their masters that there was nothing to report.
"The left is a lie "
9 years of underfunding everything.Did the easy lower hung fruit thing and pumped immigration, never mind our hospitals etc not being funded to cope. Let alone the property crises and totally denying it! Sold off state owned assets, criminal. Had no care for families to have closure for their pike mine loved ones etc etc etc.Just a few off the top of my head.
"the left is a lie" thing really demonstrates that one can be brainwashed ala trump, say it 3 times and its true kinda thing. I'd remove that "mantra" to retain a little credibility re being your own person.
Any lessons for NZ from the UK landslide? Looks like blue collar workers eschewed their traditional party in numbers and decided against unfettered immigration from lower waged countries. And against being instructed on the acceptable banana shape and how sucky vacuum cleaners can be.(Yes I know the banana thing is a partial myth).
Immigration is an ongoing issue here of course, strong feelings on both sides. We are Ok on bananas and suction but we do have apple stickers to contend with.
What is interesting is how quickly traditional UK Labour voters deserted. Reminds me of the Greens who lost almost half of their MPs between 2014 and 2017, also mostly on a single issue.
No sign of that here, more a slow slide rather than a landslide.
Two reasons, artemis. The electorate in general wanted Brexit done and traditional Labour supporters didn't like Corbyn's prevarication.
I wonder if it has anything to do with populist causes attracting the working classes. Both the US and UK have right wing government with substantial worker support. Lefties world wide are so busy peering at everyone else's navel to examine if they meet their inclusive standards, that they have dropped the ball. Western society in general will pay for it either way. Worst case it goes either horribly to the right, or, end up in a Big Brother Socialist /Fascist mashup state. Not pretty either way.
I think Steven Joyce has been proven right, despite all the outcry from media and economists at the time, all of whom have been proven wrong https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opi...to-show-for-it
Josh, The " under funding" claim is total B S as we all know, as an example,when Helen was kicked out that govt spent 9 billion on health, so to recoup , since 1840 to 2009 the health budget was $9,000,000,000, when the the National govt was betrayed by W P the health spent was $18,000,000,000 a doubling in 9 years, where is the " underfunding" again ?
There are many more examples of them spending on items that needed spending on and lots of items of not spending on items that did not need more money thrown at !
Never forget , " the left is a lie, " the population of the U K have just shown that and still the Labour Party does not except what has happened !
More delivery from our Govt;)
Minimum wage rise confirmed
"Lees-Galloway said it reconfirmed the rates signalled in 2018 and the Government's plan for a $20 minimum wage in 2021."We're implementing a balanced approach to the minimum wage increases and have provided certainty to businesses who told us they wanted to know how much the minimum wage will increase and when the changes were going to happen," says Iain Lees-Galloway.
"Last year, we signalled minimum wages of $18.90 for 2020 and $20 in 2021. By re-confirming these rates we offer certainty the businesses need for planning and forecasting."
These lifting of the minimum wage will not help those on minimum wage one iota. Prices will rise accordingly as will rents and they will be just as badly off as before. Except businesses that employ them may feel the pinch initially and just look to automation or not hire new staff. Talk about shooting your constituents when they are down.
Not quite right - this government takes with both hands and returns so little. Increased minimum wage means not a cost to or benefit of the government, it just means that the cost of labour is going up big time for companies.
Labour promised to take (steal) more money from companies - and sure, one of the promises they kept. Not very hard though, is it - and certainly nothing to be proud of.
What it means for the government is that they pay themselves a higher tax income to feed all their bureaucracy and useless debating clubs through increased income taxes (ultimately paid by the companies as well) and that they reduce their benefits bill courtesy to the companies taking over the cost.
Nice for Labour as long as companies are able to afford the additional cost ... however:
New Zealand is already now (after Australia and Luxembourg) the country with the third highest minimum wage world wide. Labour's changes will make our companies still more in-competitive. Lets kill the cow we all are milking - shall we? Typical Labour.
https://ceoworld.biz/2019/01/03/coun...he-world-2019/