No. He's crawling like crazy on the radio. Says he'll work it out with his misses, but someone could always start a poll on the outcome.
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Maybe put link up fp.
Wow. On national radio JLR has decided to stay in parliament to hold national to account.No by election.!
But the waka jumping law which national fought hard against may now be used against him, takes min 21 days and may not be acheivable.
He has admitted to affairs and apologised to his wife
He has released another tape conversation with bridges.
Bridges caught threatening JLR re 15 women.Depending how one views it.
What else does JLR have on tape.Can use parliamentary privilege to release material.
Mark Mitchell has just said he will take avery strong position against using waka jump bill.
Thanks, bridges is still being outplayed .Getting down and dirty ( with he 4-13 women threat/smear)has put a covert narcissist (google this , & just my opinion) JLR on full revenge attack maybe with the guidance of gun for hire Lusk.
So now the jerk has stated that he had an affair with a married MP. Puts all married women (assumption here) MP's in the lens.
A type of formalised agreement. A marriage includes an exchange of vows and results in a change of legal status. A marriage is defined. Of course the involvement of a third party results in the crossing of boundaries.
Whilst a cheating spouse is a concern between the parties involved, the lengths to which a person may continue a deception could indicate a propensity to act deceptively with other people.
Yes quite shocking how low he stoops. He has no morals or standards and is taking down as many people/families as possible. Pure evil !
Now he's changed his mind about by-election too, as he's obviously realised noone would vote for him and that he'd probably find it extremely difficult to find a job anywhere else.
A National Party spokesman said: "Over the past several weeks the National Party has taken seriously the mental health concerns raised by Mr Ross and the medical professionals he has been involved with. That has included seeking advice from medical professionals and involving Police wherever necessary to ensure support is made available to Mr Ross. It would not be appropriate to comment further."
If so then why you point a finger at a guy (in public) where there is not clear conclusive evidence.. who already has documented mental health issues..total lack of understanding of the consequences for the National party and the individual. The other allegations were played in the media with no natural justice which seem to cause the original issue...go figure, total lack of leadership and strategic thinking. The whole handling of issues is dysfunctional and highlighted in the second article.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12146335
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12146400
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12144875
This is all so tragic. He's now been sectioned under the mental health act. No point speculating why - but likely the best place for him. https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/po...l-health-care/
Yes I was just reading that article mm. Very tragic for all involved and sadly all brought on by himself over what appears to be a long period of very bad behaviour. Hopefully he gets the help he needs as I do hope does his wife, family and all the others he has harmed on his crusade.
But there is. One person has come out already - and National managed that complaint ages ago. The news reporter wouldn't have gone public on the four women without evidence to support the "fact" defence to a defamation claim. Bridges would have seen the evidence before he had the conversation with JLR a few weeks back
Seems like Ross was fornicating and recording private / trusted conversations long before this "mental health" issue came up.
If the "find the leak" strategy pans out to see JLR out of parliament that is a cancer well worth the pain cutting out
David Collings Chariman of the Howick Local Board said on The Nation on Saturday that JLR had used untraceable phones to threaten board members he didn't like. Same tactic as used to txt Mallard and Bridges.
There appears to be lots of evidence against this scumbag
What I was referring to is how they chose to deal with the suspected leaker, given his previous mental health issues, which were reported several weeks back. It clearly has been an ongoing and wider issue which we do not have complete information on. What is clear is leadership had no concept on how to manage the situation. Concerning the other complaints.. they just happened to drop into this weeks media after Paula Bennett's inference ... are we expected to believe these are just coincidental or rather a response by National to him releasing his discussion with Bridges. Before this week it does appear they were working hard to block them coming out in the media.
They will change the leader mid term however all the main leadership is implicated in this and I certainly will not be voting for them again given what has been revealed. What a pack of muppets.
It was only the other day JLR said he wasnt the leaker and he also had doctors clearance to return fit for work.
It doesnt take much to read between the lines to see that Ross has been a problem child for quite some time. Informal complaints were managed and settled. On teh balance of probabilities, given Bridges is an prosecutor, I'm going with National conducted process that were aligned with natural justice but werent as full and final as might be expected as no formal complaint had been lodged. There seems to have been prior opportunities for JLR to back off with dignity - instead he choose to light teh flame thrower.
I think a spotlight ought to be shone on Slater and Lusk to see fi they were actually puppet masters. If their fingerprints are on any of this then it is those two who need to look very closely at their actions and take responsibility for where JLR is at today.
I hope that the National Party is not implicated in the psychiatric detention of Jami-Lee Ross.
It could lead to comparisons with the Brezhnev era Soviet Unions practice of using psychiatry to suppress dissidents.
Boop boop de do
Marilyn
Of course they wont be. JLR was in his electorate office. Someone called the authorities. It wasn't an ambulance so make of that what you will.
The police were called rather than an ambulance - again make of that what you will) - which is perfectly usual in instances where someone has lost the plot. Police are trained to do this kind of thing. I've seen them in action and they are very good at this difficult trask.
He was sectioned - which is also perfectly usual (and out of any political influence) when someone has so lost the plot and they are a danger to themselves or to others.
Lusk and Slater will be the only ones walking scared of any implication.
Well I’m chair of a large mental health non profit, police are not particularly trained in this area and is why National set up a pilot program for the police to work with mental health specialist in this area, which was canned by labour a few months ago. In reality is it rather difficult to get someone sectioned off which makes this a rather curious case.
Not wanting to turn this into a pissing contest but I have been closely involved in 3 "sectioning's" in the past 12 months. These involved police, ambulance, hospital, mental health workers family and other odds and sods
In each case each person, on the whole appeared quite rational. Communication and comprehension was fine. Body language was fine, conversation was fine. Thought processes were fine. As I say "on the whole" - but not 100%. There were clues. Like the attack helicopter with listening/ sonar devices on board that was following one person. His wife was in on it as well - sending secret messages from the back shed, Another had a friend on his back shoulder who turned ugly and threatened him, amongst other things. Plans to escape were enacted. The third attempted suicide - did a pretty good job but survived. A fourth did succeed - so obviously couldnt be sectioned.
In each case the "professionals" acted with speed and professionalism. In each case the person was not able to make decisions for themselves and were a danger to themselves and/or others.
I see nothing curious in JLR being sectioned.
Who was that someone who called the authorities, against his will? Why don't we know ,in the interests of transparency that there was no skullduggery involved. Or have i missed that piece of info.
Obviously you are close to this area as well, I'm aware of many cases as well over the years however the sad reality is it is applied to such a small number of potentially worthy cases. Many people would have loved this opportunity for a family member yet could not get it over the line within the system.
That is why it is curious and he seem to be discharged within five days which suggest it is not the whole story.
It is irrelevant and would be of no use to you if this is your level of thinking. There is no skulduggery. It is a perfectly usual response and is with precedent.
If you are looking for a conspiracy involving the police you only need to go back to the Police in announcing Clark Gayford was not the subject of any investigation. Now that is unprecedented.And did not answer all the questions swirling about at the time.
Again that doesnt surprise me.
If we were to drill down into the mental health cases I think that we would see a good service for those that pose a real and immediate threat to self or others. Of course this is a clinical decision. For those who rock up to a mental health provider they are probably providing evidence of enough rational thought (ie taking the initiative and going to hospital) to not meet the threshold in an under resourced health system.
You can call BS as much as your like - doesn't change the fact of the "sectioning" process for three individuals I have cited. I'm not talking about general mental health admission. Obviously I havent gone into full process details. (Most of that post was a general; / casual observation - not relating to the three incidents)
Interesting article? http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/
westerly
The gulag conspiracy theory might have some weight if it was the ruling party burying the miscreant in the nut house. What Trotter and others dont seem to grasp is that National is the opposition party - and it is Oppositions who typically fall into these state asylums. If anyone thinks the "police" and the "mental health Authorities" are acting under instructions from Bridges or Bennett then they need to line up to take the bed JLR has just vacated.
OK. I concede. You are right. And I apologise.
Its thanks to people like you that we now know Neil Armstrong didn't walk on the moon, HAARP is there for mind control and the hadron collider causes earthquakes.
While you are at it would you mind fining out who approves teh Chem Trail plane flights
Labour cant name the sexual deviant amongst their ranks.(edit - because that issue is before the courts)But they could name the person who supplied loads of alcohol to under age minors. Never did hear the consequences of allowing minors to get so drunk they were still throwing up the next day. And what was the Supervisor doing "going to bed early"?
Even Whaleoil is interesting today
westerly
Yeah I get that. But Slater had no costs so in effect he may have not won, but did not lose either. Craig is the one looking terrible out of this whole debacle. Slater had redeeming qualities attributed to him by the judge so on the balance of probabilities he probably won.
The Herald's interesting take on events https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12148840
Bridges ringing Slater! Its like he secretly wants to be rolled!. Keep digging simon.
Meanwhile if you havn't read the book here is some tasters and even parts that weren't in the book and its free ,to give one a brief intro insiders guide to dirty politics all the way up to judith collins & john key.
Dirty Politics, 2018: Nicky Hager assesses the Jami-Lee Ross saga
Nicky Hagar suggesting there may be a concerted effort to roll Bridges going on. If so who else would be behind it? Obvious person is Judith Collins and she has the history and dirty friends to do it. She may have the lust but has a few big holes in her personality/ credibility about what is acceptable and what is not.
What about someone like Mark Mitchell the stone face assassin? He put his name up, fishing for support for the leadership then withdrew it . I think he used Lusk to eliminate other candidates for the electorate he won.
He came out before his leader saying he was strongly opposed to using the Waka jumping bill to dump Jamie L Ross. And Bennett, a dangerous deceptive, scheming tactician behind the scenes as can be heard in the latest tape released.
Would be a boring world with only one's own opinion in it. You read books?
Yes im thinking Slater / Lusk etc may be using Jamie L R who is paying him/them,but maybe as a smokescreen for other payer/players , now involved, opportunity knocks , for MP's who are playing a deeper, longer game, to become leader for example. this is what maybe Nicky Hagar is alluding to .
And remember Slater etc are mercenaries and they need to be paid.
It really isnt news that Bridges is not highly regarded. He was selected because National need a fresh "young" face to counter the Adern affect. Wouldn't have been my choice - I would have put collins in as an attack dog for a couple of years and then bought Bridges (or another) in to front the election campaign.
It would be truly odious if Slater or Lusk were using JLR - he is obviously an ill man. No-one should be exploiting him during such a time.
( As for the latest tape release - I reckon Bridges and Bennet were doing a pretty good job trying to let a man move along with some dignity. Unfortunately, given the fact the conversation was being subversively recorded JLR was too far gone for that.)
Voting the same way that national does is not the same as a National vote. It is simply against (presumably) a piece of legislation. Same as when NZ First vote "for " a piece of Labour legislation - thats not a labour vote. Its a For vote.
Proportionality is about having the same number of National votes recognised. Not the same number of for / against votes.
What happens in a conscience vote?
Yes that’s true mini but hard to argue it upsets the proportionality if the Botany vote is directed same way as other National votes. Of course this whole situation is a farce, now supported by Winston who has legislated to fire anyone in the same situation in his party. If JLR had any self respect or respect for the voters of Botany, which he obviously doesn’t, he would resign.
The NZ First line “ we will us ether vote to support National” is a total smoke screen.
If we look at the proportionality of parliament National held 56/120 of the seats in parliament. NZ First had 9/120 and the greens 8/120.
What it seems we now have is nationally holding 55/120ths’s and NZ first now having 10/120’ths. That is now a substantial proportional gap between them and the Greens who are still left holding their 8/120ths
If we look at it another way 20,572 people voted for each National seat. So by loosing that seat that’s 20,572 people whose voices are now no longer being heard. It is trite to say their voices are still being heard – they did not vote for NZ First
Contrast with NZ First. They are now speaking for 20,572 people who did not vote for them. In terms of proportions, this means there are 41,000 votes not being properly represented.
Any doubts proportionality isn’t affected are removed after considering some of Winston Peters many views on National. For example he has said "National's behaviour since the election has only confirmed the good sense we had in choosing to go with Labour," "National is leaderless, it's moribund, it's vacuous, that it's got bitter and jealous. And it's a shell of its former self because it's been seduced by big money and marketing. Substance will always trump shallowness.”
Look at it another way. National only need to convince 2 MP’s to cross the floor to get a hung parliament. They now need to convince three. That’s a 50% increase. That’s not proportional.
It is a total nonsense to think that NZ First using JLR’s vote is anything that represents what the voters wanted.
Lets put the proportionality right - JLR needs to stand down and let the 35,000 people who voted in Botany have their say on who represents them. 10% of them voted NZ First - that does not give them a right to an extra vote. The further appalling irony is that NZ First didnt even stand a candidate in Botany. Winston is being allowed one of the biggest piss takes in our recent parliamentary history!
As an aside. I've eaten rat. And it aint half bad.
Time for Bridges to pick the biggest meatiest dead rat he can find and chomp heartily down on it, devouring the whole thing with gusto. Invoke waka jumping and bin JLR at the earliest possible opportunity and give the voters of Botany a chance to have proper representation.
If National has concerns about the potential situations that could arise as you point out in your earlier post, then they have noone but themselves to blame as they were offered the proxy first and turned it down. A very silly thing to do.
But given where this is now, I agree with you about using the Waka Jumping law to get rid of JLR from Parliament and let the voters of Botany decide who they want to represent them.
It does look like JLR and his guns for hire have outplayed bridgey to nowhere atp. What next, more deaths by a thousand cuts recordings released i guess.
Curious what rat tastes like MM, pork/human?
All JLR's tapes show is that being in the care of processionals is his best option
if you mean death from boredom then you are probably on the mark. Lets face it. He's shot his load. The only thing he has to look forward to now is wondering when he is going to get bumped off the waka.I cant tell you if it tastes human. Maybe your forebears left a record of their experiences that you can refer to.
Its not got any Bat Sh1T Crazy flavour, nor any Dirty Dog smell. Closest I can think of is Chicken
(Adern will be desperately hoping JLR has something - she desperately needs the spotlight of attention shifted off her inept Ministers. Hipkins not looking too hot now with his tanty over the teachers strike))
No she won't, storm in a teacup.As for bridgey lets see what diversion attempt is next and what the next poll says.
How utterly pathetic. Secret recordings once again and baseless claims of bullying. They have been investigated and found to have no basis. Incredible how the World is becoming, anyone speaking forcefully is these days called a bully. People need to toughen up a little. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen
We will see.Questions over whether the bullying itself was investigated.
"He said the workplace investigation made no findings about bullying in his case and had simply concluded there had been a breakdown in the relationship."
Maggie Barry bullying claims: 'It was Jekyll and Hyde stuff'
Ok whats it like working for a blonde or a tartan or mauve head?
Death by a thousand cuts for Bridges. Is this dirty politics at work from would be leaders with history there?
Leaker claiming to be National MP sends another text
Flawed meth testing regime 'a huge failure across government'
Compassion sadly lacking in the last govt. How inhumane can one be at destroying peoples lives, self worth and the basics in life. Thread tile says it all.
"A Housing New Zealand report in September acknowledged the approach had had a far-reaching effect on tenants, including losing their tenancies, their possessions, being suspended from the waiting list, poor credit ratings and being made homeless."
Prob a good idea to just keep walking simon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-pm-on-sroubek
Bridges is sinking into his unliked mire, spat the dummy and got booted out.Good Job:t_up: Poor sour grapes leadership. His attempts at distraction to all the great things this govt is doing (and todays $100 million green investment fund) are futile and small minded and selfish and just little desperate imo.
C'mon Jt. He's just a politician, doing what politicians do, like all the rest of them.
Maybe less drinking and more facts fellas.
Simon Bridges needs to stop pandering to the alt-right on the Global Compact
something to ponder
"No one's saying they would be the final selected partner in New Zealand but they've certainly got the capacity if they wanted to," Key said. Sounding for all the world like a Huawei salesman, he went on to detail how the Chinese company was already supplying Vodafone and 2degrees. Huawei would represent "Value for money ...They've got a lot of expertise in that area, Huawei is a big player," the then PM said
Typical Teflon John, makes you wonder doesn't it?.Worth watching the interview with him on Q&A on tV1 9th dec, slippery and you get the feeling , not to be trusted, slippery as imo, even more noticeable now that he's representing AIR and not his country!
We won, sort of: A medicinal cannabis user at yesterday's historic vote
"The National Party’s performance in the debate yesterday also deserves a mention. There was an impressive level of unhinged ranting. Three National MPs, including Simon Bridges, declared that a major danger with the government’s bill is that dying people could go smoke cannabis outside schools. I don’t know a lot of dying people, but I hadn’t heard before that smoking at schools was one of their main hobbies."
This is incredibly bad stuff
Southern Response chair resigns following spying revelations
Outsourcing snooping Who can you trust ehh.
“It is never acceptable for an agency to undertake targeted surveillance of a person just because they are lawfully exercising their democratic rights – including their right to freedom of expression, association and right to protest. That is an affront to democracy.”
Spying On Politicians, Activists, Iwi, Quake Victims: "Failings Across Public Service"
This is so rotten and damming and strikes at Democracy.
Most Thompson and Clark vehicle register searches 'probably illegal'
Bridges was responsible for two Ministry of business and Innovation and the Transport Agency both of which are mired in spying during his watch.
Insane i think, and no empathy, humour at any expense, idle, psychotic.
Poor little JLR. Had a strongly worded txt from an angry woman who´s life he had threatened to destroy after they had an affair. So now police investigates a bloody txt message between two adults, although that´s a questionable description in JLR´s case. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...ice-probe-text
How pathetic. If police should be doing anything at all regarding this sorry saga it would be to charge JLR for wasting pólice time and resources.
That text Sarah Dowie sent is pretty brutal
Maybe she needs to go
I score her -5 in her taste in men.
But I give her 10/10 for sending a blast.
""Before you interpret this as your usual narc self - don't. Interpret it as me - you are a f***ing ugly MF pig. Shave that f***ing tuft of hair off your f***ing front of skull head and own your baldness - you sweaty, fat, toe inturned mutant. You deserve to die and leave your children in peace and your wife out of torment - f***er!""