Agreed, bloody shambles.
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So who are the competents in the National Party in your opinion? It is easy to focus on how bad Labour are but voters didn’t see much in the way of electable talent in the National Party. Most of the talent resigned or was voted out. The stale pale males like Gerry Brownlee and Nick Smith have gone.
Gerry, Paul goldsmith, Judy.. a motley crew for sure.
Only 8 out of 35 MPs are women (!).
Only 8 out of 35 MPs are women.
So what. Diversity for diversity sake.
1 in 2 voters are women and they will not be too pleased with this next time.
I think it is broadly accepted that younger people tend to support the left wing and that younger females tend to support the left wing than younger men? https://theconversation.com/young-wo...-reveals-95624
So a National Party having fewer female MPs and fewer younger MPs would seem appropriate for its supporter base.
I picture the Parties as desserts - the National Party would be a spotted dick, Labour would be tiramisu and the Greens would be a fruit cocktail.
Interesting how the article shows that religion plays a strong role in how women vote.
The analysis shows that the decline of religiosity is crucial to explaining the trend. Older women are more religious and their religiosity is also more important for their vote choice compared to younger women. Religious voters are more likely to hold conservative social values and attachments to religious parties. This means that older women are more likely to vote for parties on the right – especially Christian democrat parties. Similarly, they are less likely to vote for parties on the left.
On the other hand, younger women tend to have a stronger preference for redistribution and see a larger role for the state compared to men.
Older women are also more left wing in their economic policy preferences compared to men, but their greater religiosity trumps these preferences when it comes to their vote choice.
I guess you did not read the article which says:
The analysis shows that the decline of religiosity is crucial to explaining the trend. This is shown in a study using data on over 40,000 people from the World Values Survey/European Values Study in Western Europe and Canada, 1989-2014.
https://theconversation.com/young-wo...-reveals-95624
If by "He" you are referring to me, then, yes, that is sort of what I was referring to. That is not to say that there are not also intelligent strong principled women of various faiths who stand up for what they believe and who may support the National Party.
What?Au contraire mon amie. It beats me how you could infer that. I can only suppose that you think I am like a hard right Archie Bunker and Alf Garnett from the 1960's.Quote:
He would much prefer they/we stuck to our kitchen, bedroom and Church “duties.”
It was perhaps a slightly flippant comment :D and had related to the finding of religiosity and right-wing political inclination in older women and the potential change in that as the modern era progresses.
My apologies to Justakiwi for any offence caused. It was not intended.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/123350020/shane-reti-becomes-new-deputy-leader-of-the-national-party
Shane Reti has become the new deputy leader of the National Party, in a meteoric rise up the party’s ranks.
After Gerry Brownlee resigned from the deputy leadership job on Friday, the party met on Tuesday morning to hold a confidence vote on the leadership. Leader Judith Collins has retained her position, unopposed.
Reti was appointed deputy leader by the party’s MPs, and was unopposed in his run for the position.
He lost the Whangārei electorate at the counting of the special votes on Friday, but retained his seat in Parliament due to his high list ranking in the party.
Matt Doocey has been chosen as the party’s new senior whip, and Maureen Pugh the deputy whip.
A country united in response to the Covid-19 pandemic and “shenanigans” within the National Party are two key reasons Father of the House Dr Nick Smith believes his party lost the 2020 election.
The “shenanigans” in the National Party over the past three years could not be ignored.
“We had too many own goals whether it was issues with the Jami-Lee Ross, Hamish Walkers, the Andrew Falloons and what occurred in Auckland Central – all of them detracted from [the view of National] as competent managers,” Smith said. “My view is also the retirements that we had also contributed to a lack of confidence in the ability for National to go forward.
“Firstly, it is my view the New Zealand National Party needs stability and unity,” he said. “If changes in leadership was the answer, National would have easily won the election. We need to lock in behind Judith Collins for stability. Secondly, we need to have a very robust review, both of the party and of campaign 2020.”
“It was a Labour king tide – or perhaps I should call it a queen tide, a queen red tide that got us.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...n-the-election
National has so few MPs that everyone got a portfolio in this reshuffle.
National's list:
- 1. Judith Collins: Leader; spokesperson for national security and intelligence; Pacific peoples; technology, manufacturing and artificial intelligence
- 2. Shane Reti: health; children including Oranga Tamariki and child poverty reduction
- 3. Andrew Bayly: shadow treasurer; revenue; infrastructure; statistics
- 4. Michael Woodhouse: finance; transport; deputy shadow leader of the house
- 5. Louise Upston: Social development and employment; social investment; Whānau Ora; land information
- 6. Todd McClay: economic development; small business; consumer affairs; tourism, associate Pacific peoples
- 7. Simon Bridges: justice; water; Pike River re-entry; Māori-Crown relations
- 8. Chris Bishop: Covid-19 response; shadow leader of the House
- 9. Melissa Lee: broadcasting and digital media; digital economy; communications; ethnic communities
- 10. Scott Simpson: environment, workplace relations, RMA environment
- 11. David Bennett: agriculture, horticulture, biosecurity
- 12. Paul Goldsmith: education
- 13. Mark Mitchell: public service, SOE, sport and recreation
- 14. Barbara Kuriger: energy and resources; rural communities; food safety, associate transport
- 15. Gerry Brownlee: foreign Affairs; NZSIS and GCSB; associate finance
- 16. Nicola Willis: RMA housing; housing and urban development including social; associate economic development
- 17. Stewart Smith: climate change and viticulture
- 18. Jacqui Dean: conservation; assistant speaker of the house
- 19. Todd Muller: trade and export growth,
- 20. Simeon Brown: police, corrections, SFO; youth
- 21. Matt Doocey: chief whip; mental health; associate social development and employment; associate health
- 22. Maureen Pugh: junior whip; community and voluntary sector; emergency management
- 23. Nick Smith: research and science; electoral reform
- 24. Chris Penk: shadow attorney-general; defence; courts; veterans
- 25. Simon O'Connor: customs; arts, culture and heritage; associate foreign affairs
- 26. Erica Stanford: immigration; early childhood education
- 27. Ian McKelvie: seniors; forestry; racing; disability issues
- 28. Tim van de Molen: oceans and fisheries; animal welfare; building and construction
- 29. Nicola Grigg: women; associate trade; associate arts, culture and heritage
- 30. Christopher Luxon: local government; iwi development; associate transport
- 31. Joseph Mooney: Treaty negotiations; associate defence; associate tourism
- 32. Penny Simmonds: tertiary education; associate agriculture; associate disability issues
- 33. Simon Watts: ACC; associate health
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political...ucus-reshuffle
Interested to know your reasoning about the leader. Ms Collins has been in the role for a short time, and I doubt she has been lying on the beach in Bali. The first priority IMO is to trenchantly address disunity issues. Done, probably. Then plan and execute the plan.
LOL. National still as boring as?
I am not sure why you have referred to this old discussion point. I think you already claimed or implied that I had a lack of English grammar knowledge.
Online forum threads are great places to find perfect English. However I like your broad assumptions. They amuse me.
But I know a question mark does indeed make a question of a sentence. I like these linguistic tangents! I know too that apostrophes often go missing in action.
… in your opinion. As previously explained, I disagreed with your analysis. Sure, my original post was indeed sloppy. However I did not know there could be more than one Jane Fonda - you presumably do - so the apostrophe was used as it was to indicate I was referring to (women of) Jane Fonda’s (ilk - omitted but understood) and not cloned Jane Fondas. So I considered an apostrophe was preferable to a plural in that instance.
You may like this game show hosted by Julian Fellowes (of Downtown Abbey fame.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1hhG0X1Rnw
Never Mind The Full Stops.
As I said, I know it was a sloppy use of English. However, you resurrected a post I made on Halloween, just so you could reiterate that you did not think that I had used grammatical English. Personally, I don't mind discussing the point. However this is a thread on the National Party
I am sorry if you, and other readers, did not understand my post then and do not understand it now. I would still use "Jane Fonda's" instead of "Jane Fondas" now as the thought of a cloned Jane Fonda scares me! On the other hand, maybe there is a Jane Fondas?
A look back at politics in 2020
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...wild-ride.html
It is interesting to see the causes for which Bridges thinks his time and energy should be expended.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainmen...aland#comments
Is it worse than doing nothing like Ardern?
I voted ACT at the last election because I have been appalled at National putting Soimon Brudges up as a serious leader (what the heck were all those people in causus thinking?) and then the move to corporate-speak numpty Todd Muller - who seems to have been to-the-manor-born with obligatory short stints in top corporate roles before entering politics....before ending up with Judith Collins - who seems to be hated by her colleagues, although they are the same people who thought Brudges was a winner.
What were Nicky Kaye and Amy Adams doing?? First Adams is out, then she's back in, then out again.....who are these self-serving chaotic people??
I thought Collins was really, really poor in the debates. She should have hammered Adern non-stop about KiwiBuild, should have just ragged her about it constantly. First there would be 100,000 houses.....then a big 're-set'......and now - absolutely nothing!! Just a switch to state housing for homeless people.
Another thing that annoyed me was 'yes it requires historic debt' in the TV ads as if it was a fait accompli. Nothing about the money printing whatsoever. Nothing about Robertsons out of control spending. She looked like a deer in the headlights.
Yes, COVID had a lot of people swooning and going ga-ga over Jacinda. Yes, property speculators and greed have captured the political fortunes of the nation. But I don't think she said anything that resonated with anyone. It's not enough to look tough and go around saying you are the Crusher. You have to take a stand sometime.
Seymour is the only one saying anything to people on the Right who may be worrying about where the country is headed and how it has been captured by the Central Bank, which is busily printing money to fuel a socialist MMT pipe-dream of a magic money tree. I am sure there are plenty of people on Right who can look past 'property market blindness' and wonder if constant loose monetary policy isn't setting us up for a very big fall.
If Labour and National are only focussed on appealing to the terminally greedy and / or stupid, why should I vote for them?
She did though, NZ voters just didn't buy it.
We're part of an international community now (everyone is doing stimulus) and going against the grain will not serve us well.
Act supported the asset sales during a recession.. now 6% of Meridian is owned by Blackrock and this is set to rise.
It’s odd that you say that everyone is doing stimulus so we must do stimulus. So we myst cede our sovereignty to the US in this regard then(?) We are a vassal state and should be in lock-step with The Fed(?) In 2018 The Federal Reserve tried to start reducing its balance sheet (‘reverse QE’) and the US equity markets started going down. So they immediately had to reverse course. The problem with inflating asset bubbles is that you are then compelled to always keep them inflated. It is a clear trap. Is this the course we should be following? Going down a path from which there is no proven exit? Have we not learnt anything from the US experience?
NZ once had a record of following its own course. We went nuclear free in the face of much opposition from the US and other close allies. This is an example of a nation prepared to think for itself. Have we now lost that ability?
The suggestion you make - that we must do what others are doing - is just hopeless really. It’s like saying the other lemmings are jumping over the cliff, so we must do the same.
Once you open Pandora’s box and start printing money, all accountability goes out the window. There are no longer any constraints on government spending. The government can pump unlimited money to its support base, thus ensuring it stays in power indefinitely. No need to levy unpopular taxes and risk being punished for it by the electorate. The whole thing is totally undemocratic, and then you have Jim Bolger saying we should just print money and write it off. So we’d have a situation ripe for corruption, where Bob struggles to earn a living trying to make his business succeed, and Jeff makes $500,000 a year as a public servant because the government has unlimited funds and the governing party is dishing out patronage.
Luxon is playing this wrong. If he is as insiteful as he makes out then as far as I can see he needs to first look at what is concerning non Labour supporters.
Secondly he needs to pick up those concerns and defend them.
For example a good number of the electorate are now well over these mandates. Mandates are no longer required, Labour is flogging a dead horse with them but are so far off track they have no option but to persist.
If Luxon were to stand up, declare the mandates redundant, he would find some serious support.
Is he the least bit aware the opportunity is there for the taking.
Beyond belief!
Same old problems appearing in National's hopeless caucus, Nat MP Maureen Pugh who Simon Bridges once described as f...g useless, has to delete her post thanking the protesters, says she didn't know they were anti-vax!
How on earth were this people ever chosen by National's selection committee?
Same with Hipango.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...y-were-antivax
National need to stop apologising for everything. Tell the wokesters to go take a hike.
National should show up at question time and ask the Minister of Finance and the PM whether they will now ackowledge that NZ is in the midst of 'an inflation crisis'. They've had to put up for years and years with Labour taunts about them not acknowledging a 'housing crisis', this is the perfect opportunity to dish it back.
Don't! hold your breath. National have run their course. Everything comes to an end and they are finished. The sooner anti Labour voters recognise this the better.
I never thought I would say this but with enough support one man is capable of burying Labour.
His name is Winston Peters.
So National - who according to the latest Roy Morgan poll have gone past Labour in the popularity stakes - are cooked, but Winston Peters (at 76 years of age and with zero seats in parliament mind you) is the real opposition and is the man to topple Labour. What on earth have you been smoking?! Winnie is not the man to topple Labour: he was the man who put them in power, & he got booted out of parliament as his ultimate reward.
The only party besides NZ First who are cooked right now is Labour. Jacinda and company love taking credit for all sorts of things, including the fact that NZ is a remote and sparsely populated island nation making it fairly easy to contain a pandemic. So she'll have to take credit for the housing catastrophe (it's no longer a mere 'crisis') and rampant inflation as well. No use pointing at other nations, Kiwi's who are struggling to pay their bills won't accept that and from the comments I'm seeing on-line her excuses are wearing thin rather quickly.
https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parli...?itemId=223118
4 vs 1 and she comes away with the win.
Looks like austerity policies are back on the menu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjulzryx4BY
New party in the works:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...cal-party.html
Fair enough 4 leadership changes is bit of a shambles.
Wow ,what a leader,had all the facts to rebutt the leader of National(what's his name again:) and send him and his facile questions packing.I can't remember when a party has done so many things to improve the property and renters situ, it will take time ,new build stats looking great atm..What a freakin hypocrite Nationals leader is,how many rentals does he own again?
That is very true wrt healthy rental standards and increased tenure rights for renters.
All good then. Renters are happy campers. Provided they can find a rental that will accept them, and then pay the increasing rent so their tenancy is not terminated. No worries, there is always the social housing waiting list, only up 340% since September 2017 so they will need to be patient.
I doubt this forum is representative of the population.
Most NZers will disagree with the often out of touch views on display here by an older demographic.
I doubt that it is representative of the population as well. This forum is about participating in discussion with like minded ambitious people to successfully build ones wealth in the share market, individually, which is a difficult concept for the younger demographic who struggle to make a dime or pay the bills, maybe gamble a few bob on sharsies and rail against the old folks and the 'system' for all their own miseries. Cry me a river babies.
Time wounds all heals. Your time however came much sooner than your young peers, ST isn't the right place for you, despite being almost illiterate. Age and experience always trumps youth and ignorance, just look at who are holding the bags of money. Not you. Not the reliant on some government. Not the impatient, not the young except the lucky, who will probably squander it.
Youth and talent are no match for age and treachery. It takes time to understand it, clearly you don't yet. I could sing you a lullaby but you'd still wake up sweating about how you're 'never going to make it' and the hapless Labour government is your only desperate pathway to personal wealth and happiness and the older generation are the reason for your desperate situation.
Good luck with that, loser. Give yourself some time to grow up before you try to play with the grown up's.
The question is who is paying balance to spread.To try and influence
Propoganda,radicalism,far right spin,it's rabid ,foaming at the mouth stuff and obviously he has no time left for a real job,this is his job from I've seen and I think that's outside the rules on Sharetrader.
Seriously, JT - are you ok?
You have been getting more delusional by the day & now, by the hour.
Don't allow the lover who jilted you at the altar change the sweet girl who loved life and always had a kind word for everyone into what you are today.
We are here for you - just holler and we will be there.
Apart from some pot shots at the PM & Mallard, most of the key bits of Chris Luxon's speech could have been written & delivered by Jacinda Adern!
Apart from the usual waffle all politicians of all stripes indulge in, celebrating our differences while working together blah blah, he says the mandates have worked and "we should get rid of mandates progressively and carefully once we are through the peak of omicron" .
Isn't that precisely what the govt has already said will happen. Ummm...yes!
As one commentator says, he hasn't said anything different about the Covid rules to whats already on the Beehive website.
Exactly what is he proposing to do differently!
About right.
Attachment 13554
Luxons' inexperience shows, he really tripped up on this & was put in his place by Adern.
To make the occupiers esp the extremist aggressive elements feel their demands were validated, was a huge mistake Imo & will not sit well with National's base esp Asian voters.
And supposedly from the party of Law & Order.
The off market threads are for discussions other than selling and buying shares and “wealth accumulation”.
The Old folks with the money bags and real estate wealth are much more reliant on the government - they are some of the most demanding of government beneficiaries! For it is the government’s continuing the monetary and fiscal settings, amongst other policies, that provided and provide the basis for their wealth accumulation and continuation.
Even Tremain isn't impressed
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Lol.says it all. Luxon reminds me of tourists to the cape farewell visitor centre who would ask ,"what time is the next whale stranding"? Its like he wants to run covid like a business but covid isn't complying with appointments or time frames!
Want to see a real spineless creature?
Ihumatao.
That’s all that anyone has to ask about the Parliament protest and it’s quite a sight to see Clueless Cindy duck for cover.
CCC = Cowardly Clueless Cindy.
Spineless woman with no principles.
CCC - I LoVe it!
What about the huge settlements which national gave to iwi during their term.
I've resisted until now commenting on this absolutely ludicrous 'stuck record strategy' comparison between Ihumatao & the Parliament occupation.
If it didn't show such an ignorance of NZ history it would be laughable.
Apart from the fact the land was confiscated under totally false pretences by the govt & later sold to the Wallace family, none of the Ihumatao protesters drew up a list of our Members of Parliament to be executed, arrived with Nazi symbols, put up a gallows in front of Parliament, called for Nuremberg 2 trials, called for the sacking of Parliament, desecrated a war memorial, took over & destroyed our Parliamentary grounds, forced the closure of part of Victoria university, forced the closure of a couple of schools, the closure of the National Library & Archives, intimidation of citizens & even children going to work or school, blocked off major roads in our Capital city and on & on.
For goodness sake if you're going to keep going on about Ihumatao, study a bit of the history, and you will see it was totally unjust.
Just loosely the Iwi were trading & supportive of the local Auckland settlers but driven off their land & then framed as being part of the Waikato rebellion, had their land confiscated.
It's an important historical & archeological site.
The application of the Law is not always fair or just.
No informed person with any sense of decency would come to any conclusion other than the govt did exactly the right thing. They righted a very unjust wrong.
Find another comparison if you must, because that one sure don't work!