Who has brought religion into it? Last time I looked you weren't allowed to take the life of another. Callous and uncaring to stand up for the defenceless?You're just as evasive as your comrade leader.
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The argument about it being a "woman´s choice" each time is ridiculous. While abortions are justifiable in some circumstances, making them too freely available reduces this serious and sad decisión to the level of birth control. We have birth control freely available in NZ already (even day after pills) and time people take responsibility for their actions.
So women are ridiculous and should have no say over their bodies. I hope you can see how ridiculous and extremely sexist this attitude is.
Jonu getting offensive already in the new sharetrader. That didnt last long did it.!:( Come on mate please try to be nicer, seriously.
94 to 23 on the first stage of updating the redundant 40 year old abortion bill.Concsience ahead of politics and religion:)
Still no answers to the rebuttal of your fallacious arguments and false accusations. Tell me JT, does abortion stop a beating heart? How does your conscience sit with that? I worry about the state of our country's well being at a level that Little and Ardern seem unable to comprehend. The most vulnerable are expendable in their view, their lives to be snuffed out and from their "mother's womb untimely ripped".
Yes its very emotive for some i understand that.It was great to see lots of hugging going on across the house in the debates yesterday.My conscience is clean and looking forward to this bill going through albeit with much discussion to come and probably a few tweaks. You need to find the answers and solutions within jonu, thats up to you, your journey.
I have those answers. How you can have a clean conscience about supporting taking the lives of others is beyond me...but perhaps that is why you avoid answering tough questions and instead raise fallacious arguments and accuse me of being offensive. I suggest an underlying unease on your part that you won't confront, but will instead see it to be easier to raise smokescreens and attack others to placate yourself. It is not uncommon behaviour.
Out of interest Jonu, are you vegan?
Interesting , it was brought up again today the religious beliefs hiding behind the anti abortion lobby, its there alright just like it was hiding in the background pushing hard in the anti euthanasia lobby, very disappointing and all it does push people away from religions.
Still no answers to hard questions JT? Just more attacks on religion which was certainly never raised by me.
Do you accept that abortion after 6 weeks gestation stops a beating heart? Most doctors don't want to have anything to do with abortion. They understand, more than most, exactly what is involved and the lengths to which abortionists will go to extinguish the life of a human being. Cutting up in utero, crushing the head so it can be sucked out and other horrific acts. Unpalatable to hear and think about, which sadly is why most people willfully turn a blind eye and say it's a woman's choice. A woman's choice whose mental wellbeing is supposedly at risk. How is that responsible?
No I was just thinking about your post the other day...
...and wondering, for someone like yourself so dead set against abortion, is it the killing of any living thing (stopping a beating heart), or do you set an intelligence distinction, or....?
FWIW I think there is definitely a need for availability of abortions for very specific instances, but I don't think they should be freely available for no reason. I haven't actually looked at the details of the bill to see exactly what they're proposing.
Do you hold the same position on euthanasia? ie take no lives.
There will always be difficult , heart wrenching exceptions but the vast majority are not. And i believe its the womans right to choose. It sounds like you have personal story to tell and if so i can understand your depth of feeling here.