The only thing before the courts is the sexual assault accusations. They cant plead Sub Judice on the other issues.
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I don't think the results are of any interest to Labor at all. They have their agenda and they want to stick by it come hell or high water. How do they think business can have confidence when there is no tax policy and its being left to a Committee. How can business have confidence when wage rates are arbitrary pushed up with no increase in productivity. Do they really think giving unions unfettered access to an employer (rights of access even Police don't have) is good for business?
As for having having confidence in a transparent government - well thanks to Clare Curran that's dead in the water.
And what about being a caring, inclusive government. Well if you are a crook Kiwi offshore all care ends at the border. (unless you are a refugee in which case you got double the chance of getting here)
You bitch because they are using a committee, you bitch when they don't consult, you'd bitch if one of the MPs decided policy off their own bat, it really doesn't matter what process they follow, you'll bitch because its something a Labour/Greens govt is doing, neither what it does, or how it does it matters to you.
So under national you'd have supported wasting hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to bring home every sick teenager from overseas? Or every kid on their OE that fell off a scooter in Bali and needed medical treatment?Quote:
And what about being a caring, inclusive government. Well if you are a crook Kiwi offshore all care ends at the border. (unless you are a refugee in which case you got double the chance of getting here)
I'm not bitching. Just stating what is obvious to most.
I didn't say that - actually I support Winston on this one. But it is inconsistent with the caring Flaky Fairy Princess picture of NZwhere life is beautiful all the timewith trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes
Two down - how many ministers left in her cabinet? Meka Whaitiri bounced out of her portfolio.
(this is like shooting fish in a barrel - they make it too easy for me!)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...staffing-issue
I guess it is sad that some posters tend to use personal attacks when they are running out of arguments. Possibly a character problem, but maybe just bad parenting during their youth. Who knows?
Anyway - if their musings don't amuse you anymore, just use the "ignore-list". I do - and while it is not perfect, it does help.
Lets just pause for a moment and see how the Princess Fairy is faring.
“This will be a government of inclusion. All who live in this country are entitled to respect and dignity; “. Hmm seems like Waitiri was asleep in the chair when that part of the Speech from the Throne was delivered.
“….. all are entitled to care and compassion” Yup Winston sure was missing in action on that one.
“This government will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen transparency around official information.” Curran clearly out of her depth comprehending that wee gem.
And we aren’t even a year into this Government
This reported in Stuff so it cant be true. Lordy - please say its not true. "There is speculation that Whaitiri's troubles were part of the reason Curran was not more fully admonished, as Whaitiri is the next senior female MP in line for promotion."
If this is the depth of the talent pool no wonder business confidence is so low
I am sure the government won't run out of ministers. It is not the numbers but the quality which worries me.
Is this how Jacinda recognizes a natural candidate for the minister of Crown / Maori relations?Quote:
Stuff has been told relations in Whaitiri's office are toxic and she is understood to have been through an entire rotation of staff in the short time she has been in the job.
People who are close to the situation told Stuff on Thursday Whaitiri can be unpleasant and difficult to deal with
Either the current coalition has still less quality people to work with than I thought (and my expectations in that regard haven't been high) - or Jacinda is quite inept in picking good people for her government. Whatever it is - its not good for the country.
Not fact, your opinion.
"there is no tax policy." WTF OMG BBQ.. better tell that to the IRD, they seem to have volumes of tax rules and legislation to fall back on.
" How can business have confidence when wage rates are arbitrary pushed up" this has always been how minimum wage has been set for as long as I remember. Govt of the day increases minimum wage as it sees fit. Nothing new, but apparently because its labour there can be no confidence. Yet when National did it almost every year there was no problem? (C) Tui.
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- Set up a Tax Working Group, to ensure that there is a better and fairer balance between the taxation of income and assets, in particular the capital gain associated with property speculation. The outcomes of this Working Group – if any – will not take effect until the 2021 tax year"
As specified here: https://www.labour.org.nz/tax Dunno how you get they have no policy, its written in plain english right there. So the policy is no major changes till after the next election cycle.. how is that uncertain?
The Government has allowed Housing NZ to borrow $ 2.9 Billion directly despite Treasury warnings. This allows them to keep this debt off core Crown figures to help them try to achieve their stated goal of net debt at or below 20% of GDP.
One more proof that Steven Joyce was absolutely correct about Labour's fiscal hole. However much they want to fiddle with the books, they can't hide it.
Business confidence down to a net 50% saying business conditions will deteriorate (ANZ)
Respondents have 3 choices .....conditions will improve, stay the same or will deteriorate
If say 20% responded stay the same that net 50% figure means 65% responded deteriorate and 15% responded improve (the net 50% being 65% less 15%)
That’s a huge difference between the deteriorates and the improved
A net 50% does not mean half the businesses think things will deteriorate (as often headlined in the media). It’s a net 50%
No wonder the ANZ says it could get ugly
Yeah well people in business do not lose confidence easy, they are natural optimists, usually reflects economic reality they face. A good friends construction business is struggling, just mumbles making seven figures an't going to happen this year..must be worse than that thou as happy to offload his 2017 audi to me in a private sale as long as I offered anything around trade in value and cash....hmmm
Clare must have fallen head over heels with this Derek guy as the next ITO
https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/29...f-new-zealand/
Great to see terms of trade at historically high levels near all time highs.
Sure, a lot of good things are happening but the politics get in the way ..........
We're all doomed i tell ya doomed:D
It's about tribal loyalty, from Gordon Campbell Gordon Campbell on trying to cheer up the business sector Here’s the weird thing. Essentially, the right wing in New Zealand is treating Jacinda Ardern in exactly the same way as the left wing in the United States is treating Donald Trump. Meaning: the people who support the Opposition (Democratic Party supporters in the US, National Party voters here) are refusing to accept that someone whose policies and personality they distrust so much is presiding over an economy that’s actually performing rather well - not for everyone, but by all the usual imperfect indicators. In the US, the Vox news service has pointed to polling evidence that Democrats have been far more spooked by the Trump presidency than Republicans have been elated by it. An extended discussion of how political partisanship affects the perceptions of the economy can be found in this recent Atlantic article.
Much the same phenomenon has taken root in New Zealand, in that the right still appears to be utterly inconsolable about their election loss, while the left seem pleased enough, without being exactly over the moon about their victory. In what look like acts of tribal solidarity, the business sector therefore still professes itself pessimistic, and fearful that the good times are not all that good anyway, and that worse is bound to come of it, just you wait and see.
Currently, this means there’s an almost religious belief in firms large and small in New Zealand that the end is nigh – and that surely Jacinda Ardern or Grant Robertson or the Greens or Shane Jones are going to wreck the economy, come some rainy day. This Eeyore attitude reflects an article of faith among many of our corporate chieftains that centre-left governments just can’t run the economy well, despite all recent (and historical) evidence to the contrary. Basically, it is a blind political judgment that’s being expressed in the stream of recent business confidence surveys, not a reasoned economic one.
Glad Jacinda going to Nauru ......even of costing a fortune
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12118575
Wish she would stop using words like reset, transition etc .....she’s sounding worse than some of our corporate leaders and nobody believes their speeches/presentations full of buzz words
I'm more cross with her using the Airforce as a personal taxi due to her mothering duties. Other mums cant do that - they have to find work arounds. Like delegate. Winston adequately held the fort - and its only Pacific Island leaders. Or use some A2 baby formula.
Ummm,she is our Prime minister .Row a boat doesn't quite fit
What if national had won?
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The minimum wage would barely keep up with inflation making sure those on the bottom stayed there, with no sense of hope that it may improve.Our Minister of Health would continue to take a hands-off approach to our mental health system and ignore all suggestions it needed attention, while nurses would be still be striking given that National's pay offer to them was less than half what the current Government offered. Or they may not have taken strike action at all because they knew that National just didn't give a damn.
Wow that simple, an app and some inefficiencies and acknowledgement of difficulties for ilitterate prisoners reduces numbers by 1,000 :ohmy::)
"Davis said the scheme - called the High Impact Innovation Programme - had eased pressure across the prison network. Crowding had eased in prison units, reducing stress among inmates and concern among Corrections officers.
"I just think, why wasn't this stuff done before," he said. "We haven't made changes to any laws. It's getting efficiencies in the system. We want to look at other ways we can make the system work more efficiently."
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Just shows how disconnected the Labour Party are from industry. He is a terrible choice, it will galvanise the ICT industry against the government.
It's impossible to believe that of the 60 previous applicants there were none better than this self annointed imposter.
It will go badly from here if he is appointed.
I dont know anything about the guy, any info welcome.
Starting point would be Feverpitch. Then Snakk, a dabble in Kidicorp and then board Member of SkyTV.
Baa Baa - not hard to understand. Labour have no idea how to assess merit or competence. Anyone with these would have confuddled curran by using words of more than two syllables.
Thats a typical ignorant attention seeking thing to say mm. Key had two or three demoted ministers in his first term , goes with the course. An awful lot of protocols, rules to remember as a minister and first timers stuff up or get demoted if they dont perform/ pick it up. Worst job imaginable for first time ministers ,advisors &minders & secretaries, very stressful for some.
"Labour have no idea how to assess merit or competence. Anyone with these would have confuddled curran by using words of more than two syllables."
Well, Labour is doing even better. 2 Ministers in a week. Is that a record?
Edit to add - its a very basic human courtesy that you dont physically push someone around. Let alone if you are a boss.
AS for curran she was told how to manage rules, protocols and was even given a picture book on "transparency" after the Hirshfeld incident. Still she didn't learn. Yet she still kept her job after second major offence. I wonder what went on in the flat she shared with Adern
LOL - anybody heard the news?
Winston Trumps Jacinda.
Now we know who is running the country ....
I thought she was incompetent. But really todays performance in Question time was simply woeful. So bad in fact I'm not even going to post a link in the hope that no non-new Zealander sees it as an example of our Parliament in action. Please Jacinda, tell us you half some talent sitting below Clare because if this is as good as it gets your Government is knackered.
Taxpayers did not need to fund this $80,000 special plane trip for Jacinda to spend 16 hours on the ground, (possibly only half that working what with all her special needs for breastfeeding precious Neeve and all) at $5,000 per hour, ($10,000 per working hour) to achieve what ?, look like a pathetic wimp by caving in again to Winston ? https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...cid=spartandhp
Never thought I would say this but thank goodness Winston is there to hold this naive bunch back. Andrew Little on his crazy idea to go soft on criminals, now refugees and also stopping them from entrenching the Maori seats in law without a referendum. Winston is the real head of this Government, just as he knew when he chose to go with inexperienced Labour.
You make a good point mate. Don't hold your breath lol
Someone in parliament called it as they saw it a while back and got themselves in trouble with the speaker.
A silly little girl.
Open Government...surely she's got to go ! Really they've never had a mandate to govern. I am hopeful one day someone will end this excruciating fiasco and call a snap election.
Of course you wont. And telling the truth is the absolute simplest thing to do. It takes quite a clever person to remember the lies which eventually turn into a complicated web of mistruths. Curran did well having Mallard as speaker batting for her - he was showing his colours. But to be fair, I guess any decent person would have tried to do something with what was essentially a train wreck unraveling. Kudos to Melissa Lee who stayed calmly on point.
I'm loath to go on record with this - but I too am somewhat glad Winston Peters is keeping this loony lot under some degree of control.
Can't watch Question time from where I am but the Hansard shows her answer to Melissa Lee's question was quite clear : "To the best of my recollection, um, ah, ah, I haven't, um, I haven't used my, um I've answered um OIA, ah, ah, OIA responses and personal, um and parliamentary questions correctly and to the best of my recollection, um, ah, you know, that, that has, that's what I've done."
Time for Jacinda to be Prime Ministerial and turn up to parliament Question Time today. She needs to do her job and be there.
Hmm yes, but we should never forget that it was Winston creating this monster of a government in the first place.
He picked the weakest and most incompetent coalition partners he could find just to get an opportunity to look good afterwards keeping them at bay.
Not sure we need to thank him for that ...
It’s all OK ...all of Clares appointmennts were in her Google calendar
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmXFv2wU...pg&name=medium
Entertainment News. Coming today the best entertainment money can buy. Turn into to Parliament TV at 2.00pm and listen to Clare Curran answering questions in the house ( Melissa Lee has, as I understand it been cobbled - hands tied behind her back, microphone removed, knees capped and fed a tranquiliser to give Clare a fighting chance). And on the undercard we have Michael Woodhouse to the Minister of Immigration explaining the refugee quota
Q1 is a patsy question ....Labour MP asking a Minister
PAUL EAGLE to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: What progress has he made towards the Government’s target of building 1,000 affordable KiwiBuild homes in 2018/19, 5,000 in 2019/20, and 10,000 in 2020/21?
And Q2 will have a short answer
Hon PAULA BENNETT to the Prime Minister: Does she have confidence in all her Ministers?
Im guessing its Nick.
What exactly? What are the rules, any broken? She followed OIA protocols.
Mallard commented yesterday about National using G mail in their last year.
And now she is on personal leave.
From the Herald
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12120509
"There is nothing specifically in the Cabinet Manual about use of alternate email accounts. However, ministers, in the vast majority of cases, use the parliamentary email for ministerial/government business," Hipkins said.
"There are very practical reasons why ministers sometimes use Gmail … It is good practice on these occasions to CC any Government business emails to their parliamentary emails. It is important to note also that Gmail use is subject to relevant transparency legislation: OIA, Public Records Act," Hipkins said in a statement.
Yep check back on nationals use of gmail etc.
Like a pack of dogs savaging a sheep.
Well yes, Clare Curran looked and answered pretty sheepish, didn't she? On the other hand Melissa Lee was doing an outstanding job - if we stay with your analogy like a well trained farm dog. The speaker again appeared to be quite out of his league ... and shouldn't he be impartial? But hey - Labour, what more can you say.
Haven't seen a pack, though - and come on, JT - nobody needs a pack of dogs to get this sheep down. The way she performed I would be concerned she falls over just moving from one paddock to the next :p: But maybe Labour sheep don't normally have to perform such difficult tasks. Maybe they are normally just standing at the trough and listening to farmer Winston and his wife Cindy?
Keeping with the analogy she was drafted by a shepherd who failed School C into a yard that got missed a shearing time. So left to her own devices she ended up woooly headed, eventually falling cast in the middle of a paddock. With only a duck left protecting her
In the interests of balance, National does have some problems though. With Clare Curran about to leave who do they drill down on next. Wally Haumaha with two complaints against him. Or is it Meka Whaitiri and her alleged bullying / Assault. Or is it the silence around their sex camp alcohol supplier or is is it the suggested appointment of Derek Handley. I don't know how you would choose. Thats without the gap in the police ministers dairy that we will find out about next week.
She was given a fair go , a few chances to get her greenhorn skills up to speed but obviously just isn't up to being a Minister. May be a very good policy person but def does not have the skillset to be front person.Fair enough.
Probably did happen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmc-nWKU...pg&name=medium
Maybe Jacinda the one whose getting flustered ...and losing the plot
Ardern told Newstalk ZB's Chris Lynch - in an interview recorded at 8am this morning - that she would not fire Curran.
But it has now emerged the errant minister told Ardern last night that she would quit - and Ardern accepted her resignation.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12121097
Oh dear, our Prime Minister caught being very conservative with the truth. During an 8.00am radio interview no mention at all that Clare Curran had resigned. “we talked about just what was going on with her – just as you would expect…”, “I am not considering firing her” (or words to that effect).
And then a couple of hours later she says "Clare Curran contacted me last night to confirm her wish to resign as a Minister and I accepted that resignation,"
So much for transparency and integrity. Blah blah all is well in pretty fairy princess land.
From JT's favourite site "The Stranded"
“I could swear she seemed more capable when we were flatting. We even took turns cooking”
Empty vessels make the loudest noise
You forgot to post a link: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...nment-business
Schadenfreude (/ˈʃɑːdənfrɔɪdə/; German: [ˈʃaːdn̩ˌfʁɔʏ̯də] (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...peaker.svg.png listen); lit. 'harm-joy') is the experience of pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction that comes from learning of or witnessing the troubles, failures, or humiliation of another.
I take pleasure from an incompetent person no longer being in a position of power.
What isnt so pleasurable is a failure in leadership that allowed an incompetent a stage to further prove that incompetence. And leadership that is disingenuous as well as leadership that dalies over a bullying complaint and leadership that fails to be transparent with what happens in its youth camps and leadership that takes its policy leads from school children ...........
Can you give us a balanced summary of what she's done in opposition and in government that is competent but outweighed in your opinion by what is incompetent?
A lot of the media commentary is predatory bigotted dogma, amplified by the to be expected opposition party rhetoric, imho.