Hillary should have won in 2016, she was right.
Putin didn't like her at all.
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Hillary should have won in 2016, she was right.
Putin didn't like her at all.
'Smart guy, that Putin' says Donald.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/do...on-11645720539
Yep unfortunately Russia will take Ukraine and will get away with it sporting just a couple of scratches. meanwhile China watching with great interest to see how the world reacts, this will set the precedent and has way scarier ramifications…
Pardon me?
I took you so far for a decent poster, but you can't really mean that ... or can you?
This would be victim blaming to the worst degree. Same as saying that Czechia and e.g. Northern France was equally responsible at the time Hitler invaded them. Is this what you think? Really?
OK - thanks for clarifying that, this makes your original statement a bit easier to digest.
Still - hard to see how anybody can put equal blame on the attacking bully and murderer (Russia) as well as on the West (its bigger than the US) who clearly didn't use the opportunities given after the breakdown of the USSR to create a better and fairer world order.
It is a sad reflection on humanity that in all human systems it seems to be much easier for the bullies, thugs and and aggressors to be flushed to the top rather than decent and thoughtful leaders. During the time where the West could have facilitated to generate a better and fairer political system for the world they wasted this time indulging in their greed (making money out of the crumbling Eastern block) and by elevating themselves political monsters and inepts like at the end Trump and Johnson.
So - yes, The West clearly carries some blame for wasting the last 3 decades to create a better world order, but still - they didn't pull the trigger, Wladimir Adolf Hitler Putin did.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/02/2...-at-its-peril/
It is complicated
westerly
Quote from your article:
"Vladimir Putin was absolutely correct to describe the break-up of the Soviet Union as a geopolitical catastrophe. The Russians had done the world an enormous favour in taking responsibility for the cutthroat nations of Eastern Europe and the Baltic littoral."
Speechless that anyone could read that and think it was worth re-posting! Staggering ignorance.
Good reading on why there will be no tough sanctions, Russia provides a large amount of material for making computer chips etc.
https://intelligencequarterly.com/ah...risis/
https://uk.investing.com/news/commod...kraine-2591509
A couple of nights ago I watched the documentary "Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight For Freedom". It showed the violent lead up to the end of the regime of their Pro-Russian president who ultimately fled to Russia where he was given asylum by Putin.
The people of Ukraine now have to cope with Putin's ultimate revenge, but I suspect they will not win their fight for freedom this time.
I found the film compelling and shocking viewing. It's available now on NETFLIX. Here's a review of the film to give you a taste of what it's about:
Review: Documentary ‘Winter on Fire: Ukraine’s Fight For Freedom’ Is Essential Viewing
At the beginning of “Winter on Fire: Ukraine’s Fight For Freedom,” we see the streets of Kiev, Ukraine filled with peaceful demonstrations against the Ukrainian government. The people of the Ukraine want to be a part of Europe and making that official means signing an association agreement with the European Union. But by November of 2013, preparations to sign the agreement were suspended, prompting protests. Three months later, thanks to the continued use of violent methods to disperse of the massive gatherings, the city of Kiev looked like a total war zone. Evgeny Afineevsky’s documentary forces you to feel this transformation, one harrowing step after another. ‘Winter on Fire’ is often difficult to watch, but if you can make it to the end, it’ll be hard not to feel emotionally overwhelmed. A good documentary will shed light on an event you may have otherwise not known much about, a great documentary will make you feel it too. Watching these Ukrainian citizens stand together and find ways to fight back against such brutality — it’s really inspiring stuff.
I watched it last night. Compelling viewing
It always is complicated - and sure, every nation has lots of historic grievances to deal with and conspiracy theories to work thorough. Still hard to find a more ridiculous comparison than defending Putin's unprovoked attack on a neighbour country the Soviet Union helped to create when it was useful for them by comparing it to the peaceful recognition of parts of the (by Tito oppressed) former Yugoslavia by western nations.
Looks like the author is a soul mate of Putin. Sick. Why are you elevating this tripe?
Hardly any land bound country in the world which didn't used to have at some stage land which is now the neighbours.
The world agreed to solve these issues by peaceful negotiation within international law;
Putin ignored international law as well as international agreements Russia once signed.
He and his cronies are crooks (assassinating political enemies) , liars ("we don't intend to attack the Ukraine") and murderers (Innocent Ukrainian blood is dropping off their hands) - they don't care about peoples lives, only about more power for themselves.
With the same right which Putin claimed to attack the Ukraine, could Germany e.g. attack Italy (to get Südtirol back), Czechia (to get the Sudetenland back) and France (to get the Elsass back. The Vatican could attack Italy, Austria and Germany to reassemble the once strong Vatican state. Taiwan could attack NZ to rightfully get back what their people once occupied.
Putin is bringing the world order back to its previous state: the law of the jungle.
Only question would be now - how long are we going to duck towards this bully who without doubt will take more and more of what is not his if he sees that we are not just too coward to stand up to him but dumb enough to defend him? Do we want to wait for the new axis of evil merging and the world having to fight Russia and China at the same time?
The world has a choice - unite now and resist the Russian Hitler copycat with all means or continue the appeasing policies and pay later on a much higher price. World War 2 is a good example to show what the cost if the world is too coward to stop a bully early enough in his tracks.
Maybe u didn't read what I meant by both sides ...also pardon me I am not looking for your admiration ....for your information ....both sides meant USA and Russia ....for whose power games poor innocent Ukrainian people are paying the price .....Why u could not make that out from. " Ugly power games of the powerful " U think I will consider Ukraine as powerful !!!
Me also jumped the gun...sorry about that ...but if u dont consider Iraqis , Syrians and Afghanistanis and so on as people then U will say I dont understand how west is also to be blamed at background for this .
Why u think Ukrainians had the courage to take on Russia in their minds and actions ...as western powers especially USA encouraged them ...Now did they come to their rescue ?? Understand how they at fault too !!! Only lip service and sanctions ... Same with Russia in Syria ...whole country destroyed ...they also had innocent civilians living there ...No one cared ...Sad sad sad
!!
People keep forgetting its a war between Russia and its partners with west being played this time in Ukraine ....Was in Iraq , Syria , Afghanistan and many other places before ....
In my mind all are people all need to be safe from this kind of power games and bullying ...
Those with engineering back ground in the air line business will know if or how the lastest sanctions on all air line parts and servicing.
70 percent of russian air fleet is not built in russia...
Looks like commercial russian air fleet will slowly degrade although they may be able to get the parts on the black market...
Chips being hit and more banking...
May not matter much in the short term but it looks like they are closing the doors on russia..
Looks like oil refinement technologies used by Russia are also supplied by Europe are being sanctioned and over time
Russia will have trouble refining Oil.
Europe may lose Ukraine for the next 25 years or so but Russian Rubble may end up looking a very weak currency... more third world than present..
EU should offer residency and free english lessons to russian military defectors.
There are better choices on offer than war crimes.
The Russian 47th motorised rifle bridage apparently surrendered to Ukraine (not confirmed).
Yes, true it will be a security risk. I doubt current russian govt will be around for much longer.
" russian govt will be around much longer though."
who's going to pop him off ... till that happens ...
Age will and he's rumoured to have parkinsons.
Had a coach with parkinsons... and it only took a few years . Wasnt great to witness...
Ukranian's respond to Russian battleship
https://youtu.be/_pOLc5QLYTs
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ukra...dtv_topstories
Reality of the western allies !!!
OK - I think the bible talks at some stage about the "original sin". If we take this concept to its bitter end, than it is not just the US (and the West) and Putin, but we all (including you and me) who are at the same level responsible for the crimes Putin is committing in Ukraine as we speak. That's what you meant?
I didn't realize that you are a religious philosopher - and lets face it, while basically any country with a sufficient long history committed during its history unspeakable crimes (including UK, US, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Germany, Turkey, yes - NZ - and many more) - this does not mean that (if we discount for original sin) they are responsible for the crimes committed now by Russian soldiers ordered by the strongman Putin in Ukraine.
Nobody else is responsible for these particular crimes.
Fair enough ...though if u create Bi polar world as it suits u then creators should get the blame for the trouble it causes to mere bystanders or innocents or weak countries etc etc
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ukra...dtv_topstories
Shows how he is feeling now ...alone left to fight a mighty and cruel enemy
I create Bi polar world? Well, I guess, you have a point to bring mental diseases into the discussion - Putin's mental fitness is seriously questioned (https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...mental-fitness), but hey - it was not me creating this particular problem :p;
Apparently its not just the Americans who like to elevate from time to time nutcases to president ...
Bi polar world has been created by so called super powers and their allies ...not by u and me ...Mental disease can be a curse or boon ...lol ...
But seriously this is too serious a matter for innocent and helpless people of Ukraine ....who are the latest pawns in the hands of mental people ...Who has no regard for humanity and concern for enormous sufferings
Not sure if you saw this Pete, and couldn't find figures for NZ, but eg Peal Harbour attack took over 300 days for the S&P500 to recover.
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In bizarre speech Putin calls on ukrainians to overthrow their "nazi, drug addict leaders".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J55cSx8Rz_g
I would think though that living under his dark regime for twenty years would make anyone turn to drugs.
Sure - I mentioned the first 6 months after the start of WW II and didn't talk about Pearl harbour (which happened only more than 2 years into the war - and it was not even the original aggressor, but its pal in evil who was responsible). American investors are clearly more worried if their own people die than if its only Europeans.
Not sure what a modern equivalent of Pearl Harbour could be for WW III? Maybe the Chinese dropping a nuke in LA, though at current it looks like not even the Chinese like the attack on Ukraine, given that the philosophy of helping the "suppressed" Russians in the Ukraine might open up their own territory to threats. I guess somebody could use Putin's logic and text book to "help" the poor people in Tibet, Hong Kong or Xi'an to regain freedom and sovereignty?
However - if you think something like this is going to happen, then (learning from the DOW during WW II) it might be a good idea to have sufficient cash reserves for at least the next 12 months (until the stock exchange recovers) - however, having said that, I think this would be anyway a good idea. Personally I try to keep even in good times a three year buffer out of an abundance of caution.
I don't think this is the beginning of ww3, Russia is already calling for discussions, Ukraine is calling for discussions. Russia wants Ukraine to remain but the government out, not to take all of Ukraine and call it russia, that is my understanding of the situation.
It's military vs military at these times, not like a nazi occupation of complete death and destruction.
Ww2 was all about occupation and land, today's economies rely to much on global and tech trade over land occupation and industrial output
As always I could be totally off the mark but this ww3 nonsense is far off for now, so never mind nuclear war talk, that's just unnecessary scaremongering
Well, neither you nor I know what's happening in Putin's head. I didn't claim I do, but it appears you are privy to some insider knowledge, tell us more ... :p ;
However, looking at the known confirmed facts:
1) We both know that Putin's words are not in any way correlated with the truth ... I.e. what he says does in no way increase or reduce the likelihood of an event. He said he is not attacking Ukraine. And now he says he wants to talk? - what a laugh.
2) We do know that he has access to the nuclear option and we do know that he threatened to use it. Of course - it may or may not be true that he is willing to use it (we know he is a liar), but this is clearly a risk. Do you understand the nature of risks?
3) I never said WW III will happen, I mentioned a hypothetical scenario of how it could look like if we draw the WW II parallel.
Not sure I understand your quite non sensical but aggressive post. Given that a madman is controlling the Russian red button and threatens to use it - WW III is clearly a risk.
So - who of the two of us is talking nonsense?
"Do you understand the nature of risks?"
I think you need to lay of the coffee mate.
Have you built your nuclear bunker yet.
We've been through all of this many times, Russia has already invaded Ukraine back in 2014, sure who knows what will happen, but talking nuclear bombs on LA is a bit out there lol
Dow yesterday was "mother of reversals", today add another 800 points, so guys calm down, tomorrow will be fine.
Why don't we just focus on the current situation, Russia has entered Ukraine to seize the capital and overthrow the pro Nato government. US dollar has strengthened but the money printer is still churning, military spending to be continued likely, big tech investments to be continued likely, and the US get to blame all the inflation on the Russia & Ukraine situation not the insane debt, globally.
Big corporations benefit the little people suffer on and Ukraine is the toy
Putin is a madman, yes
Break out the vodka....
On a more serious note German head of armed forces is pissed off apparently.
https://www.politico.eu/article/i-am...s-mais-states/
The ukrainian army/president could hide behind a NATO border.
Then heavily armed freedom fighters could make incursions back into ukraine.
US offers to evacuate zelensky:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...family-target/
Now he is threatening Finland and Sweden with trouble if they show an interest in joining NATO.
He is unhinged for real.
Can't wait until guerilla warfare breaks out and Putins sent packing.(hopefully)
Now he is threatening Finland and Sweden with trouble if they show an interest in joining NATO.
Interesting. Do you have a source for this please?
US Senator Marco Rubio has intriguingly suggested "something is off" with Vladimir Putin.
kazakhstan refuses to send troops to assist Russian Invasion of Ukraine.
The EU will have to develop its own military otherwise Putin’s rampaging Russian bear will start to pick off its small “neutral” member nations.
https://nz.news.yahoo.com/russia-mil...163803214.html
Interesting that currently, cities like St petersburg and even moscow are undefended.
Would be great if NATO wearing ukranian uniforms could go in as peacekeepers.
The Europeans will now respond late a bit but hopefully with a larger NATO.
Finland wont be listening to any threats as they have a long history of defending themselves.
https://www.spiegel.de/international...5-39e5790b29b2
spiegel always worth a read when waiting at an airport or travelling on a train.
Hopefully swift sanctions will be announced soon.
EU can simply print money to cover all its losses unlike putins regime.
interesting discussion if you have 38 mins to spare...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GkmdCaBECs
The US will have to supply them with a new Berlin airlift only this one will be a sea lane.
Finally the Germans are preparing to send thousands of ANTI tank Weapons and Stingers.
Europe will now re Arm.
French preparing to build floating Gas Terminals to cater for supplies from Tankers.
They have to start somewhere... french wind turbines used to have a resource consent of 7 years. Cant be right but according to BBC.
Last 24 hours the germans are having a major rethink.. re : Das Spiegel.
attempt to cut swift cut off for some russian banks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60542433
So much for Russia's foreign reserves...
Guardian
11m ago 18:32
Russia has become a “global economic and financial pariah”, a senior US administration official told the Guardian’s diplomatic editor Julian Borger.
Speaking after western allies announced new financial measures against Russia, including the removal of some Russian banks from the Swift global payments network, the official said the measures were designed to target the Kremlin and individuals tied to the Russian government.
“We’ll go after their yachts, their luxury apartments their money and their ability to send their kids to fancy colleges in the west. We will also engage other governments, so as to detect and disrupt the movement of ill-gotten gains, and deny these individuals their ability to hide their assets in jurisdictions across the world,” the official said.
They said that all 10 of Russia’s largest financial institutions had now been subjected to sanctions – “holding nearly 80% of the Russian banking sector’s total assets”.
As a result, the official said: “Russia’s government borrowing costs have more than doubled to almost 17%. The S&P credit rating agency has downgraded Russia to junk status. Within 24 hours of our actions the demand for cash in Russia spiked 58 fold, according to reports, and the Russian government scrambled to deplete its own resources to try and shore up its banks and its currency. In short, Russia has become a global economic and financial pariah.”
Russia has been reported to have $630bn in financial reserves stored abroad, in gold and cash, but the new sanctions would render that fund useless, the official said.
“You heard about fortress Russia, the war chest of $630bn of foreign reserves,” they said.
“It’s impressive, but it’s only impressive if Russia can use those reserves. And that means Russia has to be able to sell those reserves and buy rubles to support its currency. And so what we’re committing to do here is to disarm the central bank. And the way we can do that, for example, is by banning US, EU UK, persons from selling rubles to the Central Bank of Russia. That means very simply, the Russian Central Bank can’t support the ruble, full stop, and that means our sanctions will have much greater force.”
The US official said the list of Russia banks to be removed from Swift will ultimately be decided by the EU, but said the US would “work very closely” with European countries “to finalize that list”.
Curtailing Russia's ability to transact using crypto currencies will be a much more difficult, but necessary goal to achieve.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/mortgages/mortgage-rates-dip-amid-ukraine-invasion/
Mortgage Rates Dip As Market Pressure Mounts Amid Russian Invasion Of Ukraine
"So much for Russia's foreign reserves...
Guardian"
good repost
been busy ready OCA FA half year and notes to 3.1...
you could submerge yourself in OCA's accounts and surface years later after redoing your accounting degree and the new property accounting standards...
Getting all Western nations to agree to simultaneous prohibition of cryptocurrencies would be exceptionally difficult to, let alone to enforce. Even if the west agrees to this, that still leaves many countries that Russia could trade with using cryptocurrencies.
That Der Spiegel article on Germany's armed forces was excellent also, replaced DW news with it now - many thanks Waltzing.
I find when im other there its my favourite.
But boy did they get sold down the river.
Boris will start walking around with a Hat shortly and drinking whiskey for lunch and take up water colour painting.
Russian apartments will be for sale soon in london all held in trusts if they were smart.
ALL Frozen, its going to take years to bring this all to a halt.
The old saying ...
How did it come to this ....
Wont be following it and will stick to work..
Just a sad situation.
All the tinpot tyrants in the Russian sphere of influence will not be sleeping easy tonight.
Their subjugated citizens will be thinking if the Ukrainians can do it why cant we.
A tyrant would be wise to keep the presidential jet fueled up.
Boop boop de do
Marilyn
I have read that owner of Chelsea has handed over stewardship to a charity trustee but still retains ownership.
So nothing really.
May be wrong but i just read an opinion piece that said the US is still buying Russian oil and that Biden hasn't banned Russian aeroplanes from US airspace.
Not sure what good 100b for defence in Germany is going to do. Unless it's research on a weapon to disable Russia's nukes. Should have properly supplied Ukraine in the first place.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ukra...-ndtv_bigstory
What is he trying to achieve ...scaring the world into submission ....this is becoming very serious as if west blinks then its blackmail on forever ...if they dont then real danger of nuclear war in Europe ...thats too scary to even imagine .
Maybe he is actually mentally unfit to control such powers ...This is too much to gamble with ...or is it hurting so much that he is ready to go this way
" 100b for defence "
the germans and the french are going to build a racing MBT top speed 100 KM hour controlled by a Quantum computer in the boot..
yes pretty serious just like CUBA..
it what one has feared. Hes a not fit to command. Contact with moscow over night and they seemed a bit stunned. Software people.
Putin is hiding in a mountain lair, such a slimy cowardly creature.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/rus...544R2PTDPDL6Q/
Not even risking being in Moscow.
Surely his mate, Trump would put him up at Mar-a-lago for a while. After all 'that's what friends are for'.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ukraine-crisis
Not the only parallel between Putin and Hitler. Hitler liked his hiding place in the mountains of Berchtesgaden (Obersalzberg).
Lets hope the world manages to deal faster and (for the world) less painful with Putin then it dealt with Hitler. Appeasement is clearly the wrong way to deal with monsters like those.
Simon Tisdal is so right:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...loses-to-putin
The western world turned into a bunch of lazy greedy cowards. If we don't change our ways Putin will always get what he wants ... and it won't be long before he wants our freedom.
Do we still have the power and spirit to fight this monster or are we really the cowards we appear to be?
Putin has nuclear weapons. He is a thug but let’s hope he is content only with threats to use them. He seems to hold both his own people and others with little regard.
I am amazed that given what has transpired over the weekend (nuclear war threats ramped up/Swift settlement sanctions etc) that the NZX50 is currently higher!
Lets face it - if we are too afraid to stop this thug because we fear the nuclear option, then Putin has already won. If that's what's stopping us, then the West will do anything for him and only ask "how far" if he asks us to bend over.
Well, lets face it - this is what we are doing. We didn't stop him to take parts of Georgia. We didn't stop him to take the Crim and parts of the Eastern Ukraine. We played football with his slaves and fed and entertained his cronies - I hear London is an amazing place for Putin's crooks to enjoy their life and relax when they need a place to recover from the stress of exploiting the Russian people.
The West will need to choose whether it wants to serve as Putin's lackey's ... or whether we are prepared to stand up and (yes - potentially suffer) for the rights of the world.
People decided to put their lives on the line to stop Hitler and many actually did die for their peoples freedom. Not more or less is what we need to do now to stop Putin. And lets face it - it makes little difference for the individual whether they are killed by Hitler's conventional rockets or by Putin's nuclear bombs ... and hey - the West has nuclear weapons as well. I hope they are in better maintenance then Putin's troup transporters already running out of gas in the Ukraine.
Lets use them as soon as Putin's prepares the launch for the first nuclear armed missile - and lets use plenty - Russia is large ...
Time to buy defence stocks in US and Europe.
The Rubble is going to just get slammed.
China might even follow some sanctions like oil. They have followed the US line on this before because china values it trade with the world MORE then Russia.
China does not want belt and road to be de railed.
Russia could actually become a sub state of china and china uses this to get leverage over russia..
"And/or their suppliers.."
you bet!
Sanctioning the Russian Central Bank IS the BIG weapon.
True, but so is Ukraine which you seem to be happy to sacrifice and so is the part of the West coming next ...
Well, actually - I did my part in the late 70-ies - serving actually quite close to the iron curtain. Sure - we hoped that nothing will happen, but we all understood that our lives are on the line if it does.
Maybe time now for appeasers to do something sensible and take up weapons? How long do you want to kiss Putin's feet?
be supportive of euro defence and buy defence stocks.
war maybe is costing russia over 20 billion a day. Russia may have reserves it may not now be able to access them as the central bank is shut down. But its listed private sector high debt may be under on going stress as well.
Russia was supposed to be is a position to easily wear this but today on markets the investment banks are now wondering if they made a big mistake investing there.
It appears most commentators did not image the full extent of banking options to block the russian central bank from accessing markets.
BP now bumping its holdings.
Australia and other country's that are net exporters of wheat will benefit from this.
Absolutely - but not more sorry I assume than for the innocent Germans who suffered under Hitler's actions. Not every country gets light off for enslaving other countries and killing millions like most of the European colonial forces did over centuries.
I didn't say either that this would be my preferred line of actions ... but it is clearly better than appease the monster and feed him every year a bit more of our freedoms and lives.
Sometimes an end with horror is better than an agony without end. But given that you seem to be such a political and military genius ... what solutions do you propose? Maybe we should already start to evacuate Poland and the Baltikum to make sure Putin's poor and innocent soldiers are not inconvenienced with fighting on their way towards the West. Maybe we should provide as well rations and tank stops for his troops given that they apparently forgot to look after the logistics. Anything it takes to not annoy Putin with the big button ...
Just tell us - how far you are willing to bend over for him? ... and what do you propose to do if Putin reaches the limits you are setting? Or - are there no limits for you to bend over to keep the madman happy?
More funding for the CIA rather than defence is needed.
If euro doesn't have an equivilent then set one up.
Make russia ungovernable by shutting down state TV, power grids and support their domestic freedom fighters.
The risks of the situation spiraling into a type of '1998 Russian financial crisis', and subsequent financial contagion, across the EU especially, should not be underestimated.
A) Putin has an entirely different psychological construct than Yeltsin. As in he is far more complex, devious & has sadistic tendencies. Yeltsin on the other hand was just a Vodka loving, 'innocent', mouth piece/puppet.:ohmy:
B) The financial deck of cards linking Moscow (and associated 'subservient States') and various European financial institutions, especially the banks, (e.g. Deutsche) are arguably stacked far higher and perilously than the late 90's. Derivatives market alone will be an area to keep a beady eye on.
"Sometimes an end with horror is better than an agony without end. But given that you seem to be such a political and military genius ... what solutions do you propose? Maybe we should already start to evacuate Poland and the Baltikum to make sure Putin's poor and innocent soldiers are not inconvenienced with fighting on their way towards the West. Maybe we should provide as well rations and tank stops for his troops given that they apparently forgot to look after the logistics. Anything it takes to not annoy Putin with the big button"
I don't believe myself to be a political or military genius unlike yourself, but I do believe your suggestions of dropping nuclear warheads onto a country killing millions of people and destroying large swathes of the planet, and not expecting retaliation from that exact country that also holds thousands of nuclear warheads not to respond in the same aggression, practically destroying the earth as we know it just to get one crazy dictator named Putin, is a far reach and solves no issues.
The nightmare scenario is if Putin does an "Enola Gay" and drops one small nuke. Does the west respond with a limited nuclear strike which would probably then lead to a full nuclear exchange and Armageddon or does Europe kowtow to this new Hitler on the basis that its the lesser of two very great evil's ?
"It is not a couple of air strikes now, the situation in Ukraine is officially a war... We will implement the Montreux Convention," Mevlut Cavusoglu, Turkey's foreign minister, said in an interview with broadcaster CNN Turk.
time to buy manufactures of Missile defence systems and anti tank weapons.
Its time to go defence.
Wouldn't you just hack a Belgian nuclear power station into (near-)meltdown? Or a cruise missile from under the icecap with small nuke yielding a US fallout signature - somewhere in northern China on a trajectory to Beijing?
A small technical team could probably do something drastic at Chernobyl? A step which could conveniently be blamed on Ukraine.
As they say about property - attribution, attribution, attribution. . .
Looks like you did shoot an own goal in your desire to grandstand.
You need to read my original post again.
I said
If we don't react in this way when Russia is preparing its missiles, then the only other option we have is to wet our pants, drop a prayer and die.Quote:
Lets use them as soon as Putin's prepares the launch for the first nuclear armed missile
You don't seem to understand the basis for the peace the world had over the last 70 or so years. Each side has more than enough missiles to completely destroy the other side (and by the way several times the rest of the globe). If one side launches successfully, than actually - it is too late, nothing the other side can do other than take the enemy with them into death.
So far this deterrent did work and no side dared to launch. However - Putin threatened that he will. So, Einstein, instead of talking down other posters, better tell us how you propose to stop him other than doing his bidding?
Is this what you propose?