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Beagle your posts are mostly calling the PM names and complaining about the government. Open a Facebook account and post the tripe there.
As correctly pointed out comparing lockdown NZ to the "trenches" of Vietnam is way out of line. It's really offensive.
When I need some time to reflect I always go back to first principles and listen to people I respect
https://youtu.be/RDrfE9I8_hs
Legend
I think this thread could really do with some humour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5azNpTwVk8
Have a good day folks.
It is old fashioned? I remember hearing it frequently in NZ back in the 1980's. Depending on context "love" can be used sarcastically.
Fwiw, I think Beagle makes a good point. There are posters who provide good insights, even though they may have some opinions which do not necessarily concur with my own.
Magda Szubanski using "love" in a skit on Fast Forward. - about 2.06m in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-9BXQf95uY
SKT has it’s ASM tomorrow. Although their Mt Wellington building doesn’t fit the normal mould for OCA, there is a possibility that they have purchased it and if they have bought it we should know tomorrow.
i sold out , like watching the paint dry this stock no follow thru in buying after the big director buy. brought some more sek instead
Wow what a day. I have had my first negative reputation in 16 years and from the dog himself. How dare I comment on his posts.
Thread: OCA - Oceania Group - retirement villages
Rubbish and off topic
Back on my ignore list Mutt. I had only recently let you out for a run.
Which is exactly what it was. A lot of people seem to have this weird thing about negative rep and think of it as a personal attack. Its nothing but the opposite of positive rep which I frequently give when a post deserves positive rep. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand the rep system.
I wish a few more people would put me on their ignore list lol
Well I just learnt there are reputation points last week. I got a negative point for saying I wouldnt piss on a MET director if they were on fire lol. Never a truer comment still to this day! Each to their own
The opposite of "positive" is "negative" so when you give someone a negative rep vote it most definitely is personal. The comments you add to your negative reps, are always personal. Go back through your past rep votes and read the comments. All of them, positive or negative, are personal comments.
I cannot believe we have gone through all this BS, to get to this point, over a simple, not in any way aggressive, generic request. It is beyond ridiculous. And yes, I realise I am contributing to the BS now, but I have not yet reached a place where I can "let it go." When I do, you will probably get your wish.
Anyone else want to support this nonsense just let me know and I'll be happy to add you to my permanent ignore list as well.
Meanwhile back to OCA...looks like this is well and truly beached until the next high tide on 29 November.
I Just read this. Yep, NZ frittered away the initial Covid success. I hope you are not right. However, I am stir crazy in the middle of Auckland reading about large gatherings of folk which do not give a threepenny ‘hapenny (as my Granny would say) for health measures, so I fear for the worst.
And yes I think too that retirement villages have come out of this, as the safer place to be.
I REALLY hope I'm wrong about the first paragraph too ! Unfortunately my nose for for a feed and for trouble coming seems to have been working remarkably well lately.
Its going to take a good king tide to lift this whale off the beach in late November. In the long run though, this should be all good.
Whale has come back fully ...deeper into the sand !!
All the stocks whose results round the corner are under pressure ....MFT , FPH and OCA ...
Just thinking about the selling. Didn't Macquarie's get some DRP shares after they sold all there holding. Can't remember the full details..
looks like the 1.30 might be back on again
scaremongering again,,, ahhhh. Never trust a traders hype on here newcomers. Nearly as bad as the politics :)
I just got another lot at $1.40, already over weight but its hard to find alternatives to cash being inflated down. This feels like a safe car park. I cannot see property collapsing and the retirement sector offers security and inelasticity of demand.
I just cant see a better stock on the NZX to buy as far as long term return is concerned as this one and I've been over most of the others with a pretty fine comb. Don't see much point in buying and holding divvy paying stocks right now in a rising interest rate environment which will continue to worsen over the next few yrs.
Whole market is in a funk...doubt this whale will refloat anytime soon.
Aren't whales endangered list?
as said yesterday , growth area is dementia units
Would there be some switching pressure to Arvida - with its rights issue funding its new purchase?
https://www.usingenglish.com/referen...hed+whale.html
"so if you are completely stuck somewhere and can't get away, you are stranded like a beached whale".
Can't sell now, its too low, don't want to buy more because its beached and unlikely to go higher anytime soon. I guess I'm now a "Beached Beagle" lol.
What’s the mystical dark arts, known as TA, say about OCA? I thought the $1.40s would have held 😕
I think Mr B is showing signs of lockdown fatigue ...we all in AKL are troubled souls at the moment ....but Mr B is having some vaccination debate trouble at home too to add to the pressure . I fully understand that strife in the mind as had experienced the same within my extended family .
Thats making him very different these days ....He is a very objective analyser and his readings are mostly correct and it helps many here to get his confirmation too about the stocks we hold . But these days he is little down and pessimistic about many things like OCA ...This will also pass ...we know from world experience that all countries have gone thru this widespread community covid time and then they started to ignore it ...NZ will also be same
This is short term blip to sentiment which will recover when 90% hit and markets are euphoric that never again any lockdowns ...just endemic Covid in the community forever . All will learn to manage that in real life after managing it in mind first
OCA surely is a dog amongst Retirement Village stocks ...always underperforms ...not a good sign that its not a market leader in any category but maybe it will be in times ahead ...leader of the common masses ...more volumes ...less margins model with small offerings of all other types also in the portfolio .
I think its heading close to 135 but it should be good buy now for medium term investors who have faith in deep analysis of many here including Mr B ...though at present he is not sounding very positive ...:p
Ok, so here goes. First post, long time lurker and passive observer.
Like many of you I’m excessively overweight in OCA, mostly due to the repetitive press of the buy button late March 2020.
Whilst having a portfolio size well below what I suspect some you old dogs are sitting on, and well done to you, I feel it time to throw in my 5 cents worth, if one can value it to that degree.
Over time I have developed a toolbox of resources that assist my decision making regards which stock and how much to invest, and as some of you commented recently, OCA remains on my buy list with whatever spare cash I can find under my wife’s side of the bed. Objective: wealth generation for retirement which scarily gets closer and closer.
Such tools include my self-learnt interpretation of charting, deep diving into financial accounts (as much as my small brain can understand) online resources of which there are many, even including the entertaining Joshua Wang and his insightful youtube comparison of OCA to peers. Marketscreener, which can only look at the fundamentals even holds a solid buy recommendation with average target price of $1.71. Avoiding too much weight on any individual resource, putting them all together and comparing each retirement stock, NTA’s etc my conviction remains firmly in favour of OCA.
So the analytical side of my brain maintains high conviction for this stock. But that’s not the issue. Sharetrader, which I’m sure was established to assist learning, sharing analysis (safer to stay with the pack perhaps?) and providing a forum for the exchange of insightful experience has instead for me become the test of ones emotion towards a stock. Comments aimed toward driving fear or greed at extremes need moderation and I try to avoid reacting when I read such. If I do react, why? Self-analysis is tough at the best of times….
Back to OCA, the decline of OCA correlates to specific events that exacerbate the selling pressure especially with this stock. Whether it be a suggestion of Govt intervention, property price predictions on the back of rising interest rates, the Cap raise, Earl’s selldown and currently ARV’s raise necessitating some portfolio rebalancing. The corresponding decline in SP becomes self-perpetuating. Long term so what? Again, one needs to remember why they bought in the first place (unless of course you’re a trader). I agree with some that the large gap between news can be ‘testing’, but lets keep positive. Further drops in SP are nothing but an opportunity. Period!
I was one of the few scooping up more yesterday and if you can point me towards a better opportunity please do so. My portfolio remains firmly in 8 NZX stocks (1 growth), two ASX and I’ll leave Milford to deal with Kiwisaver. Several years ago during my ‘pre-formative’ years I must have had 20+ stocks, knew little to nothing about each and then grew up. This wasn’t a game, and as close to gambling it may be de-risking through learning became the objective. Not there yet but heading in the right direction.....
I won’t list specific names, however some of you I have the utmost respect for your valued contributions. For that reason I’ll continue to ‘lurk’ around these pages and offer something when I have something intelligent to say. Thank you. As for OCA, still some years off retirement and sleeping easy.
Best
Thanks, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Below- posted 27 October sums up how I feel although the recent metaphor's add a bit more colour to it lol
Provided there is no regulatory attack on this sector OCA should do very well in the long run.Quote:
Looking through to the other side of this unfolding apocalypse the upshot of all this is that once the widespread carnage is over elderly people will crave the security of living in a care suite or an apartment knowing they can move to a care suite when necessary with the security of knowing they'll be looked after and OCA sales will go gangbusters and at record high prices, (if our new CEO is smart enough to put the prices up).
support range 1.30 - 1.40 so poking its head down here isnt really a biggie imo
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note it even tested the 1.20,s at one point.
Could be a takeover offer coming, after a stock dumping. Now down over 20 cents from its high, which wasn't that high. Keep positive.
Adding my warm welcome to you ADogsLife. Excellent first post. We need some fresh perspective around here and you've certainly made a good first impression !
A resident at Edmonton Meadows retirement village in Henderson has been confirmed as having COVID-19.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...n-christchurch
this is the big risk to retirement villages
1 case is a big ask? Safer there than in general public. You just love to hate the stock. No idea why you buy into it as your only in it for a quick buck and love to downplay it. Wish you would F*** OFF from it.
Why would you place this comment on OCA and not on https://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showth...lage-operators as this applies to all
Edmonton Meadows is owned by Henderson Healthcare, which is not listed on the NZX.
"Both staff and residents at the village have very high vaccination rates." To be honest, I would hope that ALL staff and ALL residents (unless for medical reasons) should be vaccinated.
I wonder if Edmonton Meadows uses the same safe constraints as Arvida and Oceania.
Itsd not the effect on share price its your constant dribble..Go elsewhere..
Hi mate,
Its been quite a week on this thread ! I put three posters on ignore this week, permanently. I look at it as a toxic pollution filter and if anyone else who contributes nothing of real worth gets under my skin enough they'll get added to my list. That's a better response that telling someone to....F off in my opinion.
For what its worth I find bull a bit annoying at times and at others I quite like him and he adds a different perspective.
Yes I think its a bit irrelevant that someone in some other facility not owned by OCA has got Covid as we're all well aware of the risk already.
Anyway back to OCA. I just had a nice walk and my goodness I reckon the grass growing has more movement that this beached whale lol
Thanks Beagle, thats the Greek. Zero tolerance for constant dribble he writes. Take it easy up Akl. Feel for you all. Greg
A resident in a random 28 bed rest home gets a positive Covid case, so what and nothing to see here, even if the case was in an OCA home it should not be a huge surprise to anyone or the market. Bull is a pure trader and has very little understanding of this industry, he has proven that over many years now.
Bull is very good - he calls the momentum it’s what he does. And he isn’t wrong but he ain’t in shares for a long time just a good time
Got in some more today just before it picked up at close today. Great timing and I look forward to the end of November.
From memory $1.35 jan/feb 2020. Beginning of March $1.15 after mac sold out.
Low of 40cents covid crash
Reached high of $1.60
Back to $1.40 16 months after being $1.35.
With all the realestate gains, new builds plus full occupation at most sites. What am I missing.
It can't stay here forever 😁.
Beagle, pretty sure you won't read this as I have no doubt I am top of your list of "newly ignored" people. But I'm going to say this anyway. You and I have butted heads in the past, culminating in a threat of legal action from you. I made the decision to put that behind us, and we worked to "build bridges." When I posted my request the other day, I didn't for one minute expect it to turn into a full blown hate fest. I consider your reaction to such a simple (and not even remotely aggressive) request to everyone, not just you, completely over the top. By all means put me on ignore if it makes you feel better, but you need to recognise and assume some responsibility for your contribution to the "toxic pollution" on this site. It seems to me that you have little insight into how you come across to others, or into the way you treat, speak to and react to people and situations. Your narrative below demonstrates that. It saddens me that the bridge you and I built some time back, clearly meant less to you than it did to me. But in hindsight, I realize that was me being naive. Guess that makes me the fool. I make no apologies for posting this publicly, and will not be saying any more on the subject.
Time to put this to bed and get back to what we are all here for.
Why can't we have deuls like the good old days.
It seems like beagle has offended your honour *slaps glove*.
I wonder if some people will delay buying into a retirement village, until it is absolutely necessary, due to potential future covid restrictions and family being unable to visit?
Once vaccination rates are up to the desired level, I don't believe aged care facilities will place blanket bans on visiting. I think down the track fully vaccinated visitors will be allowed to visit without too many restrictions. It may be, that if there is a local outbreak, they will temporarily go back to restricted visiting eg: masks and visiting in resident's room only, but I don't think that will be the norm.
Providers have done an excellent job of ensuring that residents can still have social interactions with family. During lock downs we have set up barriers outside so residents can sit out in the sun in one area, and family can chat to them from behind the barrier (3-4 metres apart). That has worked well for us, as long as the weather obliges. We have utilised video calls like zoom or Messenger, and there are always phone calls. Our residents have been incredibly accepting of any measures we have had to put in place.
If these residents were living in their own homes, they would not be allowed visitors during lock downs (other than one "bubble" person) but they would be much more isolated than they are living in a facility with other residents and staff. We are more like one big family than people realise, especially in smaller facilities. Good caregivers know that social contact and interaction with residents is as, if not more, important, than providing cares/practical support. It is the conversations, the laugh till we pee moments, the empathy and compassion, and the expression of genuine love and caring, that residents cherish and remember. Not the number of times you have helped them shower.
I honestly don't see this being an issue, or even a real consideration to anyone looking at moving into an aged care scenario.
Trouble is fully vaccinated is three doses thats what the science says at the moment. Not sure when NZ will follow the evidence.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...shots-standard
Pin cushion? Pretty stupid comment isn't it? Many people are quite happy to receive an annual flu shot.
Are you afraid of needles? Some kids are ... :p;
Anyway - what is the alternative? You can either take the jab (with boosters as necessary) or you can get the virus "vaccinating" you. The odds to stay healthy and alive are significantly better if you take the jab instead of the infection.
Bit tongue in cheek that comment but you may not have picked up on that, never had a flu shot by the way, scared of needles well no as I'm very good at giving them and receiving them (During my training eons ago we had to practice on each other after graduating from oranges) Also injected myself when I had minor running injuries with local in order to keep training (Hard to do and a bit naughty)
Not much at all compared to other companies.
Esp in per person terms. A vaccine for billions vs a specialised treatment for less responsible people.
Quite meaningless numbers. Lets face it - nearly all companies had a quite amazing percentage increase in revenue and earnings since Q2/2020. This has nothing to do with creaming it, just recovering from the big Covid dip.
Remember ANZ's numbers yesterday? They just returned from quite low numbers back to normal ... and so did Pfizer.