Nat/act/nzf 2023

[Bjauck]

Duplication

[Getty]

And if the AB's score an own goal, it's only a game, not the whole nation's economy Mr Tame.

[Ferg]

He didn't miss it but rides rough shod over it with this paragraph.

“Yes, they have access to enormous mineral wealth. But to blame the difference on that alone is a cop-out. New Zealand is also blessed with outsize natural resources relative to its population.
“But per person, we have lower productivity and lower rates of savings and investment.”

Rough shod indeed. He also rode rough shod over his own strawman argument. No one said it was "that alone", except himself.

But at least he admits the mineral wealth is "enormous" - but he fails to grasp none of the other stuff could have been done without that. This is assuming your quote is representative of his position. He also missed the thing that NZ has that Aussie doesn't - crippling legislation & student activist politicians when it comes to extracting said minerals.

Dann sounds like one of those people who thinks a country can tax its way to greater wealth. If the problem is low productivity and/or restrictive legislation then the solution is not 'more tax'.

[Bjauck]

Rough shod indeed. He also rode rough shod over his own strawman argument. No one said it was "that alone", except himself.

But at least he admits the mineral wealth is "enormous" - but he fails to grasp none of the other stuff could have been done without that. This is assuming your quote is representative of his position. He also missed the thing that NZ has that Aussie doesn't - crippling legislation & student activist politicians when it comes to extracting said minerals.

Dann sounds like one of those people who thinks a country can tax its way to greater wealth. If the problem is low productivity and/or restrictive legislation then the solution is not 'more tax'. Not more tax but maybe different tax, and exemptions, such that Australia has. Maybe that would help grow productivity too.

I think Australia/Australians has been the more realistic of the two neighbours. A wealthy population may mean environmental trade-offs. Defending its freedom and independence may mean accepting the weaponry of bigger like-minded allies.

[Panda-NZ-]

Not more tax but maybe different tax, and exemptions, such that Australia has. Maybe that would help grow productivity too.

Lower GST? :p

Simply having more people helps a ton (and they seem far more capable of preparing for that).

[Bjauck]

Lower GST? :p

Simply having more people helps a ton (and they seem far more capable of preparing for that).

Yes Large countries are their own taxing bloc. Being small seems to be ok for some countries. However it helps being surrounded by a large populations or being in a trading bloc, such as Switzerland, Denmark, Ireland, Singapore or Hong Kong China SAR. Being a farming country miles from anywhere else does mean you need to act smarter…somehow.

[Daytr]

Well this is interesting. Key may have mucked in with the wrong crowd.

https://www.interest.co.nz/technology/127839/shareholders-cybersecurity-vendor-palo-alto-networks-take-legal-action-against

[iceman]

Well this is interesting. Key may have mucked in with the wrong crowd.

https://www.interest.co.nz/technology/127839/shareholders-cybersecurity-vendor-palo-alto-networks-take-legal-action-against

Talk about jumping to conclusions. Why not just wait and see if this claim, quite common in the USA, has any merit ?

[nztx]

Well this is interesting. Key may have mucked in with the wrong crowd.

https://www.interest.co.nz/technology/127839/shareholders-cybersecurity-vendor-palo-alto-networks-take-legal-action-against



The same might be said of Robbo jumping into Otago Uni ;)

[Daytr]

Talk about jumping to conclusions. Why not just wait and see if this claim, quite common in the USA, has any merit ?

And what conclusions is that?

[iceman]

And what conclusions is that?

That there is something to see there

[Daytr]

That there is something to see there

OK buddy whatever. 🙄

[causecelebre]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-mp-david-macleod-stood-down-after-failing-to-declare-19-donations/R6SLASED7BFLZLO2YKPQYUOJAQ/

Thats how you own a mistake. No "mental health" issues, no blaming personal life, no running away to a far off eastern island. And punishment doled out without prolonged committees, investigations and "natural justice process" that ultimately cost the tax payer

[Daytr]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-mp-david-macleod-stood-down-after-failing-to-declare-19-donations/R6SLASED7BFLZLO2YKPQYUOJAQ/

Thats how you own a mistake. No "mental health" issues, no blaming personal life, no running away to a far off eastern island. And punishment doled out without prolonged committees, investigations and "natural justice process" that ultimately cost the tax payer

Well he's been caught out.
That's quite a bit of money to not declare.
So is it incompetence or naivety?

[mistaTea]

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/517389/national-mp-david-macleod-likely-to-face-police-probe-over-undeclared-donations-law-professor

This is one hell of a f*ck up to make.

Just a wee oversight!

Geez. No coming back for this guy I don’t think.

[Balance]

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/517389/national-mp-david-macleod-likely-to-face-police-probe-over-undeclared-donations-law-professor

This is one hell of a f*ck up to make.

Just a wee oversight!

Geez. No coming back for this guy I don’t think.

Agreed.

No place in any government for a fxckwit like this one. Untrustworthy and incompetent.

[mistaTea]

Agreed.

No place in any government for a fxckwit like this one. Untrustworthy and incompetent.

For sure. Good to see the decisive action though. No mucking around, no dragging it out with investigations.

Big c*ck up made, off to the gallows it is.

[Bjauck]

Well this is interesting. Key may have mucked in with the wrong crowd.

https://www.interest.co.nz/technology/127839/shareholders-cybersecurity-vendor-palo-alto-networks-take-legal-action-against
If the directors knew of the material vulnerability in the firewall software, which was disclosed in April, when they sold their shares in December, then there should be an interesting insider trading case.

[causecelebre]

If the directors knew of the material vulnerability in the firewall software, which was disclosed in April, when they sold their shares in December, then there should be an interesting insider trading case.

Looks sketchy as. You would think someone with his experience in capital markets would know this....and for a "paltry" $700k?

[Bjauck]

For sure. Good to see the decisive action though. No mucking around, no dragging it out with investigations.

Big c*ck up made, off to the gallows it is. Well handled by the PM.

[Daytr]

Looks sketchy as. You would think someone with his experience in capital markets would know this....and for a "paltry" $700k?

I think it's more about his association. He had a responsibility as a board member and on several committees whilst other directors sold hundreds of millions of stock.

It gets interesting in the fact the share price has risen since. Is the shareholders argument that the the directors speculated that it was detrimental to the share price even though in hindsight it wasn't.

[Bjauck]

Looks sketchy as. You would think someone with his experience in capital markets would know this....and for a "paltry" $700k?
For The Keyster, That is just a few rounds of golf.

[Bjauck]

I think it's more about his association. He had a responsibility as a board member and on several committees whilst other directors sold hundreds of millions of stock.

It gets interesting in the fact the share price has risen since. Is the shareholders argument that the the directors speculated that it was detrimental to the share price even though in hindsight it wasn't.
Also I think Key’s emolument was in shares only, so he has to sell to get cash out.

[nztx]

Gez .. still so many political Key follower fanatics around even now .. after how many years ? :)


A shame that well crisped and charcoaled chips didn't seem to afford much after attention ..

[Balance]

Do a Google search and it’s only in NZ with our woke media that the case receives coverage.

Zero coverage over here when the lawsuit against the company (not the directors/major shareholders) was signalled.

[Bjauck]

Do a Google search and it’s only in NZ with our woke media that the case receives coverage.

Zero coverage over here when the lawsuit against the company (not the directors/major shareholders) was signalled. He is an ex-PM who gets media attention when he comments on NZ’s politics. When he is involved in an insider trading case, it is NZ news.

[Daytr]

Also I think Key’s emolument was in shares only, so he has to sell to get cash out.

Sure, but what will be scrutinized will be the timing & if he knew anything material that wasn't public knowledge.
I would imagine his trade wouldn't have even been on the radar if if the other directors hadn't sold $100s of millions of stock.
I.e the association.

[Daytr]

So its revealed that one of David MacLeod's $10k doners is a major shareholder in Trans Tasman Resources who recently withdrew from their decade long challenge through the courts to get approval for sea mining to opt for the Fast Track process.

Chair of the environmental committee David MacLeod. Are there other donors who are in oil & gas or related industries, other industries with substantial environmental impact?
This is starting to look grubby.

[Balance]

So its revealed that one of David MacLeod's $10k doners is a major shareholder in Trans Tasman Resources who recently withdrew from their decade long challenge through the courts to get approval for sea mining to opt for the Fast Track process.

Chair of the environmental committee David MacLeod. Are there other doners who are in oil & gas or related industries, other industries with substantial environmental impact?
This is starting to look grubby.

So what?

How is that any different from the Trade Unions donating and supporting Labour for Labour to pass anti-business laws.

[Balance]

He is an ex-PM who gets media attention when he comments on NZ’s politics. When he is involved in an insider trading case, it is NZ news.

Of course it is.

But is it that significant that it's all front page & headline news to push the findings of disastrous Kainga Ora (huge impact on NZ) out of the headlines on the same day?

Perspective is what matters. Something our msm woke media still has no perspective on.

[Daytr]

So what?

How is that any different from the Trade Unions donating and supporting Labour for Labour to pass anti-business laws.

The difference a very key difference and potentially a legal difference is they are declared!

Another key difference, is that a significant doner is in a large investor in a company that could benefit from an unprecedented fast track process and its this sort of very reason many senior figures are opposed to the process as it's potentially open to abuse.

[Bjauck]

Of course it is.

But is it that significant that it's all front page & headline news to push the findings of disastrous Kainga Ora (huge impact on NZ) out of the headlines on the same day?

Perspective is what matters. Something our msm woke media still has no perspective on. I thought you were questioning any “woke” media attention to the John Key story. However now it seems your beef is with its headline placement. I am not a tabloid editor - so don’t know much about their headline formulation other than falls from grace - alleged or perceived - receive prominence. Tall poppies cut short are favourite stories.

How much prominence is this John Key story receiving amongst the “sleepy” media and online “personalities?”

[Joshuatree]

50 Mayors and more to come object to the Cannibal Collectives overreach re Maori wards.On top of the removal of the home start(11,000 last year),the attempted country genocide continues at speed Wow this disaster of a Govt is doomed already.The entitled will fall,thank Dog .

[nztx]

50 Mayors and more to come object to the Cannibal Collectives overreach re Maori wards.On top of the removal of the home start(11,000 last year),the attempted country genocide continues at speed Wow this disaster of a Govt is doomed already.The entitled will fall,thank Dog .


Your favourite poison looks like it's gone off tonight - JT ? ;)
Best to not post when you got the wobbles & are hallucinating ;)

[causecelebre]

50 Mayors and more to come object to the Cannibal Collectives overreach re Maori wards.On top of the removal of the home start(11,000 last year),the attempted country genocide continues at speed Wow this disaster of a Govt is doomed already.The entitled will fall,thank Dog .

Sorry comrade. Welcome to democracy where a seat at the table is decided by the constituency and not racial entitlement

[jonu]

John Upperton
NTL Director

From Inside Resources, coverage of Shane Jones speech in Blackball today.

Jones sets out minerals vision
Colin Williscroft - Thu, 23 May 2024

Resources Minister Shane Jones laid out his plans to double the export value of the minerals sector by 2035 at an event in Blackball this afternoon.

Minerals currently generate annual export earnings of $1 billion, $21 million in royalties and more than 5000 direct jobs.

Jones says the Government anticipates accelerating the sector's growth through existing minerals like gold and coking coal, but also new minerals important to clean energy technologies.

“My goal is for the sector to double its export value to $2 billion by 2035, provide more than 7000 direct jobs across regional New Zealand and support other sectors through the stable supply of essential minerals,” he says.

“This is not out of reach. The establishment of 10 significant mining operations, each having the potential to generate $100m per annum, can lead this growth pathway.”

Potential

To unlock that potential, mining needs to happen in the right place, in the right way and in partnership with tangata whenua and local communities, he says in notes for his speech.

At present, policy and regulatory settings don’t allow that.

Jones says New Zealand has long lacked clear policy direction on minerals extraction, making it harder to create enabling policies and creating investment uncertainty.

“This changes now.”

Strategy

He says the Government will develop a long-term strategic approach for minerals that sets clear policy direction, identifying the actions needed to secure and increase minerals supply and their potential for use and export to maximise economic and Crown benefit from the mineral estate.

As part of that, a Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment draft minerals strategy to 2040 discussion document was released this afternoon.

The final strategy will include clarifying where mining can occur.

“Schedule 4 land is off the table under my watch – but not all conservation land is equal,” Jones says.

“I support sustainable and environmentally approved mining on stewardship land and other categories of DoC land. A major priority is to clarify access arrangements for mineral extraction.”

Regulatory barriers

He says to allow efficient mining development, red tape needs to be removed.

“The sector is impacted by the revolving list of regulatory barriers which currently exist, because we’ve never had a solid plan that we stick to.”

He says the length of time it takes to deliver mining projects is proving costly – in inflated costs, delays and in terms of New Zealand’s international reputation as a place for doing business.

Much of that relates to the state of the Resource Management Act, he says, but the country has also suffered from negative signals through changes to Crown minerals laws and unclear positions on conservation law.

“The past several decades have seen mining promoters sidelined or stigmatised. It is high time that the tables were turned and facts replaced tales of woe and exaggeration.

“We all want wealth and resilience. Trade-offs are necessary. Mitigation is the key to achieving balance.”

Consent pathways

Jones says the Government wants to enable major projects by improving decision-making timeframes and giving greater investment certainty, with well-designed projects having a clear and fast path to consent.

While the Fast-track Approvals Bill is already before Parliament, he says more work is needed across all the legislation and approvals required by miners when they are working outside the fast-track process.

“That doesn’t mean we can drop the ball on environmental protections, rehabilitation or our people – all these things need to coexist together.

“I want to see mining making a positive difference to our iwi and hapū across the country, enabling better access to cultural minerals, creating more jobs and ensuring long-term benefits flow to our community.”

Domestic resilience

Jones also wants to improve domestic resilience for the minerals the country needs.

“New Zealand has a wealth of mineral resources and I would rather we extract from our own backyard than be left with no choice but to import from places with lower environmental and employment standards.

He says domestic resilience will create more jobs and ensure minerals come with high environmental credentials.

“To do this, we first need to improve our understanding of what minerals we have, where they are and what we need.

“What are the minerals needs of New Zealand now and in the future, and are those supplies secure and affordable?”

He says the Government will develop a list of critical minerals for New Zealand to answer those questions.

“Developing actions to secure a better supply of these minerals will start in our own back yard. This Government will invest in geological modelling and resource potential mapping of our mineral resources so we can answer these questions.”

Supply chains

Another focus for Jones is to increase New Zealand’s contributions to global supply chains.

The International Energy Agency estimates that to reach net-zero emissions by 2050, the world will need six times more minerals for low- emission technology than are currently being extracted.

“I want New Zealand to be part of the solution.

“There is no energy transition without minerals - no batteries, no electric cars, no wind turbines and no solar panels.”

He says New Zealand has a choice to contribute to and benefit from this growing market, or to become the recipients of other people’s economic effort and output.

“The transition to a low-emissions economy provides us with an opportunity to trade our mineral reserves, but we need to act now.

“Our trade partners are asking us to contribute to secure, resilient, and sustainable global supply chains, because current supply chains are vulnerable to disruption.”

He says with the right direction and settings, mining will boost regional opportunities and jobs, increase New Zealand’s self sufficiency and be a critical part of an export-led focus “especially as we take advantage of the global opportunities for new minerals uses”.

[mistaTea]

Here is a summary for those who don’t want to read all of that.

### Summary of Shane Jones' Speech on Minerals Vision

**Event:** Blackball, 23 May 2024

**Key Points:**

1. **Objective:** Double the export value of the minerals sector to $2 billion by 2035, creating over 7000 direct jobs.
2. **Current Status:** Minerals generate $1 billion in export earnings, $21 million in royalties, and 5000 direct jobs annually.
3. **Strategic Vision:**
- Focus on existing minerals like gold and coking coal.
- Introduce new minerals essential for clean energy technologies.
- Establish 10 significant mining operations, each generating $100 million annually.
4. **Policy and Regulatory Reforms:**
- Develop a long-term strategic approach to minerals with clear policy direction.
- Release of a draft minerals strategy to 2040 for discussion.
- Clarify access arrangements for mineral extraction, excluding Schedule 4 land but allowing sustainable mining on other conservation lands.
- Remove regulatory barriers to streamline mining development.
5. **Consent Pathways:**
- Improve decision-making timeframes for major projects.
- Ensure environmental protections, rehabilitation, and community benefits coexist with mining activities.
6. **Domestic Resilience:**
- Enhance understanding of New Zealand's mineral resources.
- Develop a list of critical minerals to ensure secure and affordable supplies.
- Invest in geological modelling and resource mapping.
7. **Global Supply Chains:**
- Increase contributions to global mineral supply chains for low-emission technologies.
- Position New Zealand as a key player in the transition to a low-emissions economy.

Jones emphasized the importance of balancing economic growth with environmental sustainability and community benefits, aiming to improve New Zealand's international reputation and self-sufficiency in minerals.

[Daytr]

As I have said before, Jones has far too much influence for someone that hasn't been elected in decade and represents a minor party.

Limitations need to be put on this fast track bill to projects that don't have a significant environmental risk. NZ isn't Australia where they are digging up a piece of desert with little rainfall.

Being the first in the world to start seabed mining is not a race we should look to win. It's highly destructive and the consequences are unknown and uncontrollable.

There will be projects that should qualify, but take the decision out if the hands of the minister. Jones is confusing his role as operational, it's not, and there are supposed to be clear lines of separation.
If he wants to be a civil servant, then resign from parliament.

[Joshuatree]

Your favourite poison looks like it's gone off tonight - JT ? ;)
Best to not post when you got the wobbles & are hallucinating ;)

Yes me and 50 Mayors been poisoned.Its oozing over NZ,keep your mouth closed and don't breathe.

[nztx]

Yes me and 50 Mayors been poisoned.Its oozing over NZ,keep your mouth closed and don't breathe.


Shouldn't you lock yourself in an airtight sealed room with lights, phone, internet & power all switched off, until someone remembers to tell you it's safe to come out again , if things are really that bad on Planet JT ? ;)

[Bjauck]

Sorry comrade. Welcome to democracy where a seat at the table is decided by the constituency and not racial entitlement The mayors are elected by the electors in their area. This seems to be a question of the comrades from central government forcing an unwanted local government policy on the democratically elected local government. These mayors seem to think their priorities lie elsewhere.

[causecelebre]

The mayors are elected by the electors in their area. This seems to be a question of the comrades from central government forcing an unwanted local government policy on the democratically elected local government. These mayors seem to think their priorities lie elsewhere.

Yes the mayors are elected but Maori wards are not. They are chosen by the council. This effectively gives full voting positions to unelected (as in, not by the general electorate) councillors. Having unelected councillors is fundamentally undemocratic

[iceman]

The mayors are elected by the electors in their area. This seems to be a question of the comrades from central government forcing an unwanted local government policy on the democratically elected local government. These mayors seem to think their priorities lie elsewhere.

Did any of these 50 Mayors mention they wanted to introduce Maori wards without consultation with the electorate, during their election campaigns ?

The parties in the coalition Government did say they wanted the wards only if the electorate voted for them.

Democracy has spoken

[Bjauck]

Did any of these 50 Mayors mention they wanted to introduce Maori wards without consultation with the electorate, during their election campaigns ?

The parties in the coalition Government did say they wanted the wards only if the electorate voted for them.

Democracy has spoken Did a majority of the voters in each of those 50 local government areas vote for a Coalition Party? Were voters in a nationwide election voting specifically on their local issues?

I actually support the National Party stand on Māori wards, but I also do recognise that elected Mayors have more of a handle on their local issues and priorities.

The people of Auckland never got a more direct say on the Auckland Super City amalgamation. That too was a gloomy day for democracy.

[Bjauck]

Yes the mayors are elected but Maori wards are not. They are chosen by the council. This effectively gives full voting positions to unelected (as in, not by the general electorate) councillors. Having unelected councillors is fundamentally undemocratic
Local elections are only quasi-democratic with the Landlord vote too.

If you want democracy, there should be no Landlord roll, and no unelected councillors entitled to vote on all matters. Any change to local constitutions should only be approved by local referendum.

[Bjauck]

Talking of democracy - the voting age should be 16y. If you are deemed mentally competent enough to drive, refuse medical treatment, get a firearms licence and work full time, then you should be able to vote. Otherwise the minimum age for all those activities should rise.

[iceman]

Did a majority of the voters in each of those 50 local government areas vote for a Coalition Party? Were voters in a nationwide election voting specifically on their local issues?

I actually support the National Party stand on Māori wards, but I also do recognise that elected Mayors have more of a handle on their local issues and priorities.

The people of Auckland never got a more direct say on the Auckland Super City amalgamation. That too was a gloomy day for democracy.

I have no idea. Don't even know who the 50 Mayors are. But the Government sets our laws and all Mayors and Councils can now put it to their local voters if they wish, not just make such important decisions without any discussion or local input into it. I can not see what the issue is

[Bjauck]

I have no idea. Don't even know who the 50 Mayors are. But the Government sets our laws and all Mayors and Councils can now put it to their local voters if they wish, not just make such important decisions without any discussion or local input into it. I can not see what the issue is
The coalition is making the abolition into an issue, whereas the Mayors say attention would be better spent elsewhere. Anyway since local democracy is claimed to be key for the Coalition, maybe they will support the Abolition of the Ratepayer Roll. https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20240320_20240320_40

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/reserve-bank-governor-adrian-orr-hits-back-as-row-over-capital-rules-resumes/UJUPNQCEYJCOBADJAQCYS2YZ2U/

Reserve Bank governor Adrian Orr hits back as row over capital rules resumes


Did someone mutter a mention of 'Past Utter C*ck-ups" ? ;)

even if the fat boy from labour had an oar in things ;)


perhaps he might be able to assist with helping look for a new day job ..

[Balance]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/reserve-bank-governor-adrian-orr-hits-back-as-row-over-capital-rules-resumes/UJUPNQCEYJCOBADJAQCYS2YZ2U/

Reserve Bank governor Adrian Orr hits back as row over capital rules resumes


Did someone mutter a mention of 'Past Utter C*ck-ups" ? ;)

even if the fat boy from labour had an oar in things ;)


perhaps he might be able to assist with helping look for a new day job ..

Reason why Adrian Orr and RBNZ fxxked up monetary policy and fxxked up the economy in cohorts with Clueless Cindy & her equally clueless Robbo :

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/hub/publications/speech/2022/speech2022-06-13

WTF is the RBNZ doing, getting involved in politics?

This post sums up best what Adrian Orr and his idiots at the RBNZ have been up to :

Rob Beechey said...

"In 2019 the RBNZ had staff numbers of 275 but by 2023 its ranks swelled to 510 and delivered a level of incompetence not seen before in NZ.

If Adrian Orr had an ounce of dignity he would step down as the most clueless governor ever to draw breath.

His arrogance this week to blame everybody but himself says everything about his arse covering character."

[mistaTea]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/te-pati-maori-behaviour-towards-karen-chhour-ridiculous-heather-du-plessis-allan/SLRRR7W2R5HI7JYBPPWXDZXU6E/

Amazing how these people can get away with this kind of personal attack and racism.

Could you imagine the uproar if it was the other way around? If someone was being critical of the fact a white was raised by foster parents who were Maori?

[Bjauck]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/te-pati-maori-behaviour-towards-karen-chhour-ridiculous-heather-du-plessis-allan/SLRRR7W2R5HI7JYBPPWXDZXU6E/

Amazing how these people can get away with this kind of personal attack and racism.

Could you imagine the uproar if it was the other way around? If someone was being critical of the fact a white was raised by foster parents who were Maori?
Taking the opinion piece at face value, it certainly seems The Māori Party is trying to cancel the Children’s Minister for being the wrong type of Maori, according their specific political definition. It seems denigrating to her individuality. Cancel culture nastiness.

BTW Cancel culture is nothing new. It has occurred throughout history. Only the term to describe what happens is new.

[Bjauck]

Liberal comedian Stephen Fry talks about cancel culture, from 14 minute mark onwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQW0-hz2-rI

[Balance]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/te-pati-maori-behaviour-towards-karen-chhour-ridiculous-heather-du-plessis-allan/SLRRR7W2R5HI7JYBPPWXDZXU6E/

Amazing how these people can get away with this kind of personal attack and racism.

Could you imagine the uproar if it was the other way around? If someone was being critical of the fact a white was raised by foster parents who were Maori?

One idiot is one idiot.

Two idiots are 2 idiots.

Ten thousand idiots plus a woke media are a political party in NZ.

Fxxk the Maori Party.

[Panda-NZ-]

John campbell does a tour of National party heartland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJWChX-IZJk

Stable economic management is doing wonders for regional NZ. :ohmy:

[Panda-NZ-]

The budget isn't even out yet and there's significant protests happening. If there are any surprises there will be revolution in the streets.

Remember, you had a job under Labour. More important than a few bucks a week

[causecelebre]

The budget isn't even out yet and there's significant protests happening. If there are any surprises there will be revolution in the streets.

Remember, you had a job under Labour. More important than a few bucks a week

If sitting at home on all manner of benefits, a complimentary ankle bracelet and a hug is considered a job, then yes

[Bjauck]

The budget isn't even out yet and there's significant protests happening. If there are any surprises there will be revolution in the streets.

Remember, you had a job under Labour. More important than a few bucks a weekThe Māori Party is planning to block Motorway ramps at peak morning commuting time, to cause the most disruption. I imagine that will be counter-productive if they stop taxpayers from earning taxable money in order to pay for what they think their voters deserve under the Treaty.

They don’t want better outcomes in absolute terms for their constituents, they just want comparatively better outcomes, compared to the general population, even if everybody ends up worse off.

During the last protests in December I was delayed by these clowns who blocked a main road. I was driving My elderly relative who ended up missing a hospital appointment.

[Balance]

The Māori Party is planning to block Motorway ramps at peak morning commuting time, to cause the most disruption. I imagine that will be counter-productive if they stop taxpayers from earning taxable money in order to pay for what they think their voters deserve under the Treaty.

They don’t want better outcomes in absolute terms for their constituents, they just want comparatively better outcomes, compared to the general population, even if everybody ends up worse off.

During the last protests in December I was delayed by these clowns who blocked a main road. I was driving My elderly relative who ended up missing a hospital appointment.

Accelerating the slide of Aotearoa towards 2nd world status.

Will The Maori Party aim for one of these protests every month?

Wonderful to see divisive racist and mindless activism in action - shows the pathetic state of Aotearoa.

The protests will also accelerate the flow of young, professional and hard working NZers to migrate to Australia.

Those who have migrated must be so pleased that they do not have to put up anymore with the primitives disrupting their well being.

2,000 a month soon to go to settle in Australia?

Wishing each and everyone of them the best.

[fungus pudding]

Accelerating the slide of Aitearoa towards 2nd world status.

Will The Maori Party aim for one of these protests every month. Wonderful to see activism in action!

No. They tire easily.

[mistaTea]

Accelerating the slide of Aotearoa towards 2nd world status.

Will The Maori Party aim for one of these protests every month?

Wonderful to see divisive racist and mindless activism in action - shows the pathetic state of Aotearoa.

The protests will also accelerate the flow of young, professional and hard working NZers to migrate to Australia.

Those who have migrated must be so pleased that they do not have to put up anymore with the primitives disrupting their well being.

2,000 a month soon to go to settle in Australia?

Wishing each and everyone of them the best.

Yeah as I have said before - cuzzies blocking roads and all the other bull**** might play well on some marae - but I think they hurt their cause longer term.

A lot of whites that tell you they are ‘on board’ with resolving Maori plight are virtue signallers only. If they start being impacted (like struggling to get about their lawful business) I think that ‘support’ will evaporate fairly quickly.

If the cops don’t arrest people this time around for participating in this illegal activity then it just shows the state of nz.

If our cops can’t sort these clowns out how are we expected to believe they can sort out the gangs?

[Balance]

Yeah as I have said before - cuzzies blocking roads and all the other bull**** might play well on some marae - but I think they hurt their cause longer term.

A lot of whites that tell you they are ‘on board’ with resolving Maori plight are virtue signallers only. If they start being impacted (like struggling to get about their lawful business) I think that ‘support’ will evaporate fairly quickly.

If the cops don’t arrest people this time around for participating in this illegal activity then it just shows the state of nz.

If our cops can’t sort these clowns out how are we expected to believe they can sort out the gangs?

The police can’t.

Especially when there’s an exodus of them heading to Queensland and NSW. Why do they want to put up with this racist and divisive BS?

[Balance]

The police can’t.

Especially when there’s an exodus of them heading to Queensland and NSW. Why do they want to put up with this racist and divisive BS?

Good case in point - crime running rampant in Auckland CBD and the police either cannot or has not done anything to de-escalate the surge in crime.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/517968/auckland-city-crime-getting-worse-businesses-fear-for-survival

A Korean food store owner told me that the criminals and vagrants target Asian stores and staff as they are least likely to fight back. She added that when they complain, nothing happens so matter of time before they shut up shop when their expensive and restrictive shop leases expire.

One Asian restaurant owner told me that he has his kitchen staff on standby to take action in the event of any crime targeting his restaurant and staff along High St. I cautioned him to be careful as the law in Aotearoa favours criminals and he could be charged with vigilante action. He shrugged his shoulder and asked who is going to protect his business and staff then? Who can disagree with him?

[RTM]

John campbell does a tour of National party heartland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJWChX-IZJk

Stable economic management is doing wonders for regional NZ. :ohmy:

Thanks for the link Panda, a real pity that it focussed on so many negatives.

[causecelebre]

No doubt the protests will contain the usual suspects, pro-Palestinian, LBGTQIA+, and no doubt Chloe and Marama will take the opportunity to have a rant. Legacy media will overstate the number of people there and will piss a while bunch of people off from getting on with their daily lives

[jonu]

Thanks for the link Panda, a real pity that it focussed on so many negatives.

Shame Mr Campbell didn't grill Ardern, Hipkins and Robertson about the mess they were creating at the time, instead of being a cheerleader.
I know some of the people interviewed and was a bit surprised that they couldn't join the dots of why we are doing it so tough right now. Yes, Te Taitokerau has been neglected forever. It has also had a Labour held Maori seat for 90% of the time.

The healthcare comment from the lady at Broadwood is a stretch. Rawene, Kaitaia and Kawakawa all have hospitals of limited capability plus village clinics across the Hokianga. And GP visits are free!

Northland does do it tough, and is beautiful because it is less developed. Trouble is most don't want that development but wonder why well paid jobs are hard to find. Not an easy fix.

[Bjauck]

No doubt the protests will contain the usual suspects, pro-Palestinian, LBGTQIA+, and no doubt Chloe and Marama will take the opportunity to have a rant. Legacy media will overstate the number of people there and will piss a while bunch of people off from getting on with their daily lives

I don’t recall seeing any rainbow flags in December’s demonstrations. I am pro-Palestinians as well as pro-Israelis. It does not mean I am pro Hamas or pro-Netanyahu.

However you are right if what the Māori Party have threatened actually occurs, they will annoy a lot of people, including many potential supporters of some of their causes. The public will have to hope they do not need to travel in urgency.

I may have had sympathy for some of the causes espoused by farmers, but did not have sympathy for their disruptive protests.
I may have had sympathy for some of the causes espoused by some of the protest groups that occupied parliamentary grounds and the surrounding streets, but not with their disruptive occupation.

[causecelebre]

I don’t recall seeing any rainbow flags in December’s demonstrations. I am pro-Palestinians as well as pro-Israelis. It does not mean I am pro Hamas or pro-Netanyahu.

However you are right if what the Māori Party have threatened actually occurs, they will annoy a lot of people, including many potential supporters of some of their causes. The public will have to hope they do not need to travel in urgency.

I may have had sympathy for some of the causes espoused by farmers, but did not have sympathy for their disruptive protests.
I may have had sympathy for some of the causes espoused by some of the protest groups that occupied parliamentary grounds and the surrounding streets, but not with their disruptive occupation.

I'm all for free speech and welcome all form of protest's as is their right. I'm just commenting, not ranting, on the fact that every protest these days gets highjacked for alternative causes and our activist parliamentarians will use it as a good chance to further their causes - and Ms Swarbrick et at are excellent examples of such - recall their "from the ocean to the sea" pro-Palestinian and post election "victory" speeches

[nztx]

No doubt the protests will contain the usual suspects, pro-Palestinian, LBGTQIA+, and no doubt Chloe and Marama will take the opportunity to have a rant. Legacy media will overstate the number of people there and will piss a while bunch of people off from getting on with their daily lives


Will Tamaki be there or perhaps busy with closer pressing issues like trying to extract a Bro out of a serious bind ? ;)

It might be safe for Marama to come out & play on the intersections & crossings and not be left star struck while trying to perfect licking the asphalt between the lines :)

Nothing like an early practice run for the wandering day of starry holiday ;)

[Bjauck]

I'm all for free speech and welcome all form of protest's as is their right. I'm just commenting, not ranting, on the fact that every protest these days gets highjacked for alternative causes and our activist parliamentarians will use it as a good chance to further their causes - and Ms Swarbrick et at are excellent examples of such - recall their "from the ocean to the sea" pro-Palestinian and post election "victory" speeches I am certainly against some forms of protest - such as blocking the motorways at peak times, and occupying parliamentary grounds - no matter whether protestors are from the political right or left.

You said you are for free speech and “all form” of protest so surely Swarbrick saying what she did on a protest march would be a good thing? Freedom in motion. I think it is a good thing to get as many causes together as possible on one protest occasion!

[Bjauck]

Will Tamaki be there or perhaps busy with closer pressing issues like trying to extract a Bro out of a serious bind ? ;)

It might be safe for Marama to come out & play on the intersections & crossings and not be left star struck while trying to perfect licking the asphalt between the lines

Nothing like an early practice run for the wandering day of starry holiday ;) LOL. Definitely no rainbow flags or LGBQTIAs will be around for long if he shows up with his posse.

[causecelebre]

I am certainly against some forms of protest - such as blocking the motorways at peak times, and occupying parliamentary grounds - no matter whether protestors are from the political right or left.

You said you are for free speech and “all form” of protest so surely Swarbrick saying what she did on a protest march would be a good thing? Freedom in motion. I think it is a good thing to get as many causes together as possible on one protest occasion!

Agree protesting without causing undue encroachment on civil liberties is good and proper. Im not sure whether all protesters coming out at the same time does them any good. The voice gets lost and can be seen as protesting for the sake of protesting. Of course, I have zero evidence to back this up so it may well turn out to be an effective way to conduct such a thing.

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/reserve-bank-governor-adrian-orr-shares-fiery-letter-to-the-editor-with-bank-bosses/DWXAH4T2J5G73MLWDZL7IIUO4A/

Reserve Bank governor Adrian Orr shares fiery ‘letter to the editor’ with bank bosses


Adrian Awesome drops a humungous Spaz & tries to share how p*ssed off he is with NZ Media ;)

Sorry - Adrian, the local Media don't appreciate being F/witted to the Financial Insto's here and over the way
and the narrative being shared far & wide :)


but don't worry - they're bound to be back soon trying to peel what remains of the soles off your outsized No 8's double quick ;)


What could come next ? ... A new day job ? :)


Hope someone remembered to ask the bankers if they had a nice cozy spot coming up for man with Central Bank experience & who know the ropes on chalking up Robbo man's large pile of debt on never never ;)


ps: there's another bunch hanging at the Beehive that you could send love notes about too & see what that brings ..

And another even larger bunch who might be more than slightly miffed about the way the strings are being pulled to keep interest rates high for extended periods .. the ensuing fight in the sandpit might produce some interesting outcomes that might come back to bite badly .. where the bite marks land won't worry many of the pack :)


Sorry folks - NZME in their selective revenue generating tunnel wisdom have restricted to "paying me's only'

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/protests-te-pati-maori-co-leaders-back-calls-for-strike-action-around-nz-on-budget-day/GNYVXMBYANHNFKN36IUDR5UB4Y/


Did someone suggest Mutiny & Te-Reason - folks ? ;)



Te Pāti Māori co-leaders have pushed back on suggestions calls for people to strike as part of a nationwide protest on Thursday is inappropriate, saying the Government was “oppressive” and the action was a necessary response to policy.

Didn't some get to learn what Democacy was while at school, or perhaps too busy eating other kid's lunches out the back ? ;)


So much airing of the ramblings of Te Splatti lately - one would think they consider they're ruling the parliamentary roost .. beware however the ones below will only take so much sh*t and droppings before tail feathers start getting plucked ;)

[Panda-NZ-]

PM considers strike action to be illegal rather than a human right (but if doing it, please do so on a weekend).

What's not illegal though, is turning on all our heating and AC's during the budget speech hour so there's a power cut. ;)

[Bjauck]

PM considers strike action to be illegal rather than a human right (but if doing it, please do so on a weekend).

What's not illegal though, is turning on all our heating and AC's during the budget speech hour so there's a power cut. ;) Luxon is correct. For a start Striking for a political issue is a different matter to striking for a job-related issue. Also causing unrelated disruption to your business is good way to jeopardise job security in tough times. It is almost as if the Maori Party want their supporters to become hungry, unemployed and on the margins.

[mistaTea]

Luxon is correct. For a start Striking for a political issue is a different matter to striking for a job-related issue. Also causing unrelated disruption to your business is good way to jeopardise job security in tough times. It is almost as if the Maori Party want their supporters to become hungry, unemployed and on the margins.

Yeah I think that MP, Labour etc are happy to have a big segment of the population doing it tough, and encouraging them to behave in a way that is only going to make their situation worse.

That’s how that guarantee a certain percentage of guaranteed votes each election. Just make the people desperate.

[causecelebre]

Yeah I think that MP, Labour etc are happy to have a big segment of the population doing it tough, and encouraging them to behave in a way that is only going to make their situation worse.

That’s how that guarantee a certain percentage of guaranteed votes each election. Just make the people desperate.

Maori elites are doing that already without needing a protest

[davflaws]

Maori elites are doing that already without needing a protest

So the Maori elites are causing the economic pain and encouraging desparation?

And it's their fault that services are being cut and jobs lost so that Nat/act/nzf can transfer resources from those on the bottom of the heap to those on the top in the form of tax cuts?

And - to add insult to injury - the right are playing to the redneck portions of their base by trying to claw back and reverse much of the social progress made over the last fifty years. I suspect this latter point has at least as much to do with the current angst as economic issues.

[causecelebre]

So the Maori elites are causing the economic pain and encouraging desparation?

And it's their fault that services are being cut and jobs lost so that Nat/act/nzf can transfer resources from those on the bottom of the heap to those on the top in the form of tax cuts?

And - to add insult to injury - the right are playing to the redneck portions of their base by trying to claw back and reverse much of the social progress made over the last fifty years. I suspect this latter point has at least as much to do with the current angst as economic issues.

No, it's their fault the provisions put in place does not filter down to those that need it

[davflaws]

No, it's their fault the provisions put in place does not filter down to those that need it

Please explain what provisions have been put in place and how the Maori elites have prevented those provisions from filtering down to those that need it.

[jonu]

Please explain what provisions have been put in place and how the Maori elites have prevented those provisions from filtering down to those that need it.

You could start with Ngapuhi. That's a biggie. It's not the pie that has been at issue, it's the divvying up amongst competing internal interests. Treaty settlements Minister Finlayson wasn't shy on calling them out. Andrew Little got nowhere either (perhaps to be expected in that case).

[causecelebre]

Please explain what provisions have been put in place and how the Maori elites have prevented those provisions from filtering down to those that need it.

E.g., Shall we see how successful the Maori Health Authority was?

No budget planning and breached the State Owned Entities Act by not having a financial statement yet employed over 400 FTE's! They had zero measurements and zero KPI's. There was no plan for activities, time frames and resources accountabilities and performance. There was no overarching plan yet was a half billion dollar enterprise and multiple ten's millions set aside for the equivalent full time employees. These so called employees were being pulled out of the Ministry of Health and into Maori Health Authority because they were Maori and not based on merit, i.e. race based employment policies. These employees were not front line staff but were all "administrative". The board interfered with operational activities. The upshot is they employed redundant administrative staff based on race without merit that performed zero positive outcomes for Maori with zero accountability and performance outcomes using $500m of tax payer funding.

If this isn't race based troughing by Maori elites I don't know what is. Textbook gravy train

[Panda-NZ-]

Luxon is correct. For a start Striking for a political issue is a different matter to striking for a job-related issue. Also causing unrelated disruption to your business is good way to jeopardise job security in tough times. It is almost as if the Maori Party want their supporters to become hungry, unemployed and on the margins.

True. Rather than risk a days pay (...or more in terms of having an employment breach).

Spend a buck and turn your appliances on full blast at 2-3pm Thursday. Nicola will give you that buck back & more.

[Panda-NZ-]

Edit: double post

[davflaws]

You could start with Ngapuhi. That's a biggie. It's not the pie that has been at issue, it's the divvying up amongst competing internal interests. Treaty settlements Minister Finlayson wasn't shy on calling them out. Andrew Little got nowhere either (perhaps to be expected in that case).

We could indeed start with Ngapuhi if we were discussing settlements under TOW, but that has nothing to do with a discussion of how "Maori Elites" are responsible for preventing some (unspecified) provisions that have been put in place from filtereing down to those in need.

[Bjauck]

True. Rather than risk a days pay (...or more in terms of having an employment breach).

Spend a buck and turn your appliances on full blast at 2-3pm Thursday. Nicola will give you that buck back & more. The old wiring in my house would sizzle and fry!

[davflaws]

E.g., Shall we see how successful the Maori Health Authority was?

No budget planning and breached the State Owned Entities Act by not having a financial statement yet employed over 400 FTE's! They had zero measurements and zero KPI's. There was no plan for activities, time frames and resources accountabilities and performance. There was no overarching plan yet was a half billion dollar enterprise and multiple ten's millions set aside for the equivalent full time employees. These so called employees were being pulled out of the Ministry of Health and into Maori Health Authority because they were Maori and not based on merit, i.e. race based employment policies. These employees were not front line staff but were all "administrative". The board interfered with operational activities. The upshot is they employed redundant administrative staff based on race without merit that performed zero positive outcomes for Maori with zero accountability and performance outcomes using $500m of tax payer funding.

If this isn't race based troughing by Maori elites I don't know what is. Textbook gravy train

So a program involving the complete reorganisation of a huge proportion of Govt expenditure and service delivery is set up by a centre left govt, but has not been more than partially implemented when the govt changes and a move to the right scraps the changes. It is a matter of argument whether the shambles we are currently facing is because it was a bad idea in the first place, whether it was very badly impemented, whether yet another reorganisation was a bridge too far, or whether it would have come right if the govt hadn't changed. We can agree that the result is a shambles.

But I can't see how you can argue that the shambles is the fault of a "Maori elite".

[Panda-NZ-]

The old wiring in my house would sizzle and fry!

Winners from the budget will definitely include landlords while everyone else has cuts.

Having a protest won't stop their after-budget party. But a blackout might.

At a minimum it would make a difference as to whether the champagne is served chilled, or at room temperature.

[blackcap]

Winners from the budget will definitely include landlords while everyone else has cuts.

Having a protest won't stop their after-budget party. But a blackout might.

At a minimum it would make a difference as to whether the champagne is served chilled, or at room temperature.

Not in my house, I have a wood fire that cranks up a good amount of heat so bring it on Panda.

It would also show the ineffectiveness of the ridiculous Labour policy of no exploration for Oil and Gas, and also highlight how renewables, or should I say unreliables, are inept.

[jonu]

We could indeed start with Ngapuhi if we were discussing settlements under TOW, but that has nothing to do with a discussion of how "Maori Elites" are responsible for preventing some (unspecified) provisions that have been put in place from filtereing down to those in need.

Hundreds of millions of dollars of provisions are being held back by bickering elites within Ngapuhi. It isn't the overall dollar amount/package, but the internal power struggle that is holding things up. That's why Finlayson was furious with them. Those in need have been unable to access their entitlements. Meanwhile it is the impoverished who suffer.

[nztx]

Winners from the budget will definitely include landlords while everyone else has cuts.

Having a protest won't stop their after-budget party. But a blackout might.

At a minimum it would make a difference as to whether the champagne is served chilled, or at room temperature.


That's okay .. LL's have in past 6 years suffered multiple custs & blows at the hands of Robbo & the clueless, and still in many parts continued filling a gap while Labour continued failing to come anywhere near what they promised & at the same time were trying to manipulate the markets..

Guess who the Losers were out of that - all the most vulnerable that Labour should have been looking after

Everyone knows exactly where to point the blame for the past 6 years of clueless meddling & non performance ;)

Even those who Labour encouraged into homes (before further meddling to close the tap & restrict supply) have been left scarred out of the idiot Left's envy meddling :)

Will Labour ever learn that - if they sh*t on those of their support base every time they come in, then sooner or later no amount of sorries will rescue Labour from a well deserved permanent holiday in the shade ;)

[Balance]

Meanwhile, Parliament has become a toxic environment where issues of race, ethnicity and racism have taken the place of ideals, aspirations and progress.

And all NZers who keep quiet while these disgusting issues are allowed to fester unchecked and unchallenged.

https://democracyproject.nz/2024/05/27/bryce-edwards-parliaments-increasingly-toxic-ethnic-identity-wars/

Toxicity and disinformation are becoming a big part of New Zealand politics. And much of this relates to debates about ethnicity, race, and racism.

We should all be concerned about this trend. Personal abuse, dishonesty, and contempt in the public sphere are bad for democracy, social cohesion, and the integrity of the political system.

The worst offenders, especially in terms of ethnicity, are often elected politicians, political parties, and even government agencies. This dimension is too frequently brushed aside. Instead, attention is directed to a cliché that the problem is about anonymous keyboard warriors in darkened bedrooms.

Perhaps it’s therefore time to shed some light on any political figures when they degenerate into hurling toxic political weapons. Currently, the worst offenders are Te Pati Māori and others aligned with them. Not only are they using ethnic-based slurs and attacks on people’s identities, but they are also using all sorts of evidence-free claims to foster outrage.

[nztx]

Meanwhile, Parliament has become a toxic environment where issues of race, ethnicity and racism have taken the place of ideals, aspirations and progress.

And all NZers who keep quiet while these disgusting issues are allowed to fester unchecked and unchallenged.

https://democracyproject.nz/2024/05/27/bryce-edwards-parliaments-increasingly-toxic-ethnic-identity-wars/

Toxicity and disinformation are becoming a big part of New Zealand politics. And much of this relates to debates about ethnicity, race, and racism.

We should all be concerned about this trend. Personal abuse, dishonesty, and contempt in the public sphere are bad for democracy, social cohesion, and the integrity of the political system.

The worst offenders, especially in terms of ethnicity, are often elected politicians, political parties, and even government agencies. This dimension is too frequently brushed aside. Instead, attention is directed to a cliché that the problem is about anonymous keyboard warriors in darkened bedrooms.

Perhaps it’s therefore time to shed some light on any political figures when they degenerate into hurling toxic political weapons. Currently, the worst offenders are Te Pati Māori and others aligned with them. Not only are they using ethnic-based slurs and attacks on people’s identities, but they are also using all sorts of evidence-free claims to foster outrage.


Indeed .. a lot of the Offensive & Vulgar unruly and seemingly uneducated trash which has crept into Parliament & the Civil Service in the last decade leaves a lot to be desired. We dont need to even look at how & who encouraged or facilitated recruiting this trash into public offices either .. just look back into the last few terms and the desperados needing any sort of support or leg in they could muster to continue pushing their filthy backwards Crisis centered idealogies & goals on all ;)

[causecelebre]

This is a sad indictment of our social fabric when our kids question funding for mental health when that funding comes from a source that their parental and institutional (as in schools) politics don't agree with. Welfare from the left is good. Welfare from the right is bad. Great response from Mike King

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/i-am-hopes-mike-king-lashes-dheads-throwing-s-over-charity-funding/SWSX2ZF5BFFDXPQJ25CY5VMQ3U/

[davflaws]

Hundreds of millions of dollars of provisions are being held back by bickering elites within Ngapuhi. It isn't the overall dollar amount/package, but the internal power struggle that is holding things up. That's why Finlayson was furious with them. Those in need have been unable to access their entitlements. Meanwhile it is the impoverished who suffer.

Nah - You continue to conflate TOW settlements with provison of resources generally. The claim that I am questioning is that Maori elites are preventing the distribution of economic resources to those in need. That is a quite separate issue from TOW settlements.

In relation to TOW settlements, I agree with you - Ngapuhi have seemed keener to fight with each other than to settle for many years - but that is their business, and the fact that some Iwi haven't got it together does not absolve the govt from responsibility for the economic and social disadvantages that the individual Maori on the bottom of the heap continue to suffer.

[Balance]

.....responsibility for the economic and social disadvantages that the individual Maori on the bottom of the heap continue to suffer.

And where do individual responsibilities lie with the Maoris to take advantage of all the services already provided by the country for their well being?

Smoking?

Drinking?

Poor Diet?

Drug taking?

Child abuse?

Gang culture?

Guess they want the country to provide all the above too huh?

Oh sorry .... they are already providing all the above for themselves!!!!!

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/budget-day-winston-peters-takes-aim-at-te-pati-maoris-organisation-of-protests-use-of-pistol-imagery-racial-division/GNEGMKYD6RHTBHPTHNH5MJ4F2M/

Budget Day: Winston Peters takes aim at Te Pāti Māori’s promotion of protests, use of pistol imagery, ‘racial division’




Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has taken aim at Te Pāti Māori, calling them “radical extremists” and accusing them stoking racial division.

Peters was responding to Te Pāti Māori’s promotion of the nationwide protests planned for Budget Day and comments made in recent days by party MPs. He criticised the use of imagery of pistols in the protest’s advertising on social media, saying “make no mistake, racial division is exactly what they want, not unity.”

“They don’t want democracy, they want anarchy,” Peters said.

[Getty]

And where do individual responsibilities lie with the Maoris to take advantage of all the services already provided by the country for their well being?

Smoking?

Drinking?

Poor Diet?

Drug taking?

Child abuse?

Gang culture?

Guess they want the country to provide all the above too huh?

Oh sorry .... they are already providing all the above for themselves!!!!!
And negative attitude to education and progress.

Hence their inability to send their kids to school as evidenced by their truancy rate.

Can't have the kids turning out more intelligent than them eh?

Damn colonials!

[mistaTea]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/budget-day-winston-peters-takes-aim-at-te-pati-maoris-organisation-of-protests-use-of-pistol-imagery-racial-division/GNEGMKYD6RHTBHPTHNH5MJ4F2M/

Budget Day: Winston Peters takes aim at Te Pāti Māori’s promotion of protests, use of pistol imagery, ‘racial division’

Yes they are an extreme. They take the most extreme interpretation of TOW etc and keep going even though the solutions they want (separate this, separate that) are unworkable and could never be accepted by the majority. Most Maori, so far as I am aware, don’t want that.

I do feel that the Maori who hitch their wagon to these clowns really do themselves a disservice. They ultimately harm themselves longer term, though they cannot see it in the moment.

The modern day LP along with the MP and Greens hold Maori back with their handouts, preferential treatment and racially divisive policies. But they suits them politically as without the ‘downtrodden’ they would not get enough votes.

[Panda-NZ-]

Winston peters to his legion of retiree support base: Here's 2 bucks, don't spend it all at once.

[blackcap]

Winston peters to his legion of retiree support base: Here's 2 bucks, don't spend it all at once.

Not surprising there is no money because we are now paying back Labour's fiscal cock up.

[mistaTea]

Not surprising there is no money because we are now paying back Labour's fiscal cock up.

Yeah, but pretty underwhelming.

Minimum wage worker will get $12.50 a week extra. Wow.

I think my wife and I will get $20 a week each. Wow.

I said before that I think tax cuts are not wise because they were always going to have to scale whatever they thought they were going to do back once they got into govt and saw how bad things were.

With rising costs etc, these tax cuts don't even scratch the surface. But they had to do it because it is political (not the right thing). They campaigned on it and Willis said she would resign if she didn't deliver tax cuts.

So they save $14B sacking people (good, we need to reduce out of control spending), they give those savings back to the people with these p1ss willy tax cuts that are not going to make anyone better off, and then are going to borrow another $12B to fund various projects.

Hmmmmmmn.

I know I am no genius, but something just doesn't add up here!

[Getty]

A terrific budget said economist Brad Olsens co commentator on 1zb.

[Panda-NZ-]

I know I am no genius, but something just doesn't add up here!

It's stable economic management .


Not surprising there is no money because we are now paying back Labour's fiscal cock up.

If they didn't give landlords a tax cut they could give pensioners something more. I wonder how much it will cost in administration to implement this change of... 2 bucks into the bank account of every pensioner (why bother).

[mistaTea]

It's stable economic management .



If they didn't give landlords a tax cut they could give pensioners something more. I wonder how much it will cost in administration to implement this change of... 2 bucks into the bank account of every pensioner (why bother).

I wonder if the pensioners will take this slight out on Winnie at the next election.

[Panda-NZ-]

Winston peters to his legion of retiree support base: Here's 2 bucks, don't spend it all at once.

What can you get with 2 bucks?

A soft serve on the Mcdonalds value menu. Maybe you can treat yourself and add a flake. ;)

[mistaTea]

What can you get with 2 bucks?

A soft serve on the Mcdonalds value menu. Maybe you can treat yourself and add a flake. ;)

Yeah so long as you don’t ask for chocolate dip.

[Bjauck]

A terrific budget said economist Brad Olsens co commentator on 1zb.
The increase to Health spending was a surprise. The increase to the visitor tax is a surprise too, since they opposed its introduction. Hopefully the income tax cuts will help boost the economy, as the recession was worse than previously thought.

It is a pity that the budget deficit is widening, and the forecast for a surplus has been postponed for a year. That would have received National Party criticism, if they were not in government! However a slightly more stimulatory budget may have been needed.

On the whole, I think it was OK.

[Panda-NZ-]

On the whole, I think it was OK.

Not great, not terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-YDV6vC2qo

What we really needed was some kind of plan to turn the NZ situation around. Lots of problems remain unaddressed particuarly in housing and infrastructure.

[nztx]

As expected - Crisis Labour, the Party of untold Broken Promises & Wholesale Non delivery whining loudly ;)

Perhaps they ought to look at themselves in the mirror :)

One tiny COL adjustment tossed out by halfwit Robbo long gone before it landed & the cause then became strangely sound deaf & blind leaving all wearing the ravages of the Left's trail of gross incompetence ;)


What did anyone expect of the clueless & incompetent Left who once promised all those decades ago there would be no Personal Income tax within 20 years of Douglas introducing GST in 1986 .. and then under the Comrades spent most of the their recent 6 years trying to find new areas to tax & rip all off on ;)


Where's Comrade Nosey Parker hiding now ? ;)

Has he taken early retirement or started digging the hole under his rock deeper so he wont be found ? ;)

[winner69]

This guy not too impressed

Budget 2024: A swing and a miss from Nicola Willis
https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350295901/budget-2024-swing-and-miss-nicola-willis

[iceman]

Yeah, but pretty underwhelming.

Minimum wage worker will get $12.50 a week extra. Wow.

I think my wife and I will get $20 a week each. Wow.

I said before that I think tax cuts are not wise because they were always going to have to scale whatever they thought they were going to do back once they got into govt and saw how bad things were.

With rising costs etc, these tax cuts don't even scratch the surface. But they had to do it because it is political (not the right thing). They campaigned on it and Willis said she would resign if she didn't deliver tax cuts.

So they save $14B sacking people (good, we need to reduce out of control spending), they give those savings back to the people with these p1ss willy tax cuts that are not going to make anyone better off, and then are going to borrow another $12B to fund various projects.

Hmmmmmmn.

I know I am no genius, but something just doesn't add up here!

Many of the minimum wage workers also get an increase in the WFF payments. It is often forgotten when talking about tax cuts that low income earners in most circumstances receive various other Government support that middle and high income earners (pathetically you fall into the latter if you earn over $70k) are less likely to receive.

[iceman]

One thing I have never understood in NZ is why visitors to our country are fully covered by ACC. Why does no political party ever mention scrapping this and expect visitors to NZ to be self covered or pay as you go if they need to use our health or search & rescue services, like most other countries ?
Now would be a good time.

[Entrep]

Te Pāti Māori protests: New Parliament mooted, declaration of independence issued

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/te-pati-maori-protests-new-parliament-mooted-declaration-of-independence-issued/GSOV3QHFX5EQ3NS6SYFIOCMO74/

If it's solely funded by a new Maori IRD and we remove all the current race-based seats then I can't say I have a problem. Perhaps the Greens will move over too.

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Nicola Willis delivers an Everybody Budget, yet Bradford and Sherman parrot on TV1, that there is nothing for Maori or Pacifika.

Yet earlier in the day, whities had been ringing in or texting in to talk back, claiming to have gone onto the Maori electoral rolls, so they got more benefits and advantages.

So one can only assume Maori protest marches today, were to request removal of those advantages, and just have equality???

[nztx]

Nicola Willis delivers an Everybody Budget, yet Bradford and Sherman parrot on TV1, that there is nothing for Maori or Pacifika.

Yet earlier in the day, whities had been ringing in or texting in to talk back, claiming to have gone onto the Maori electoral rolls, so they got more benefits and advantages.

So one can only assume Maori protest marches today, were to request removal of those advantages, and just have equality???


They must have some fairly large taxpayers in their bunch - how much are Te Splatti Party leaders paying in tax into the proposed communal pot ?

How much tax are the large Maori Incorporations paying in Income Tax into things? ;)

Are mussel, kina & pipi shells legal tender under the new touted alternative regime - for contributions by the have nots among the bunch ? ;)

Too many on the taking out large withdrawals and not many on the putting in side might even bust the new communal bank not long afer it gets off launch pad too

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They must have some fairly large taxpayers in their bunch - how much are Te Splatti Party leaders paying in tax into the proposed communal pot ?

How much tax are the large Maori Incorporations paying in Income Tax into things? ;)

Are mussel, kina & pipi shells legal tender under the new touted alternative regime - for contributions by the have nots among the bunch ? ;)

Too many on the taking out large withdrawals and not many on the putting in side might even bust the new communal bank not long afer it gets off launch pad too

Mugabe Waititi and his party may want New Zimbabwe, but I doubt if many Maori really do.

They know which side their rewana bread is buttered on.

[Bjauck]

One thing I have never understood in NZ is why visitors to our country are fully covered by ACC. Why does no political party ever mention scrapping this and expect visitors to NZ to be self covered or pay as you go if they need to use our health or search & rescue services, like most other countries ?
Now would be a good time.

Nobody can sue for costs, as the result of an accident in NZ. So for a start, it would be tough not to cover the medical costs of visitors.

Visitors are not as fully covered as NZers - only the medical costs (while they are in NZ) are covered.

NZ has reciprocal agreements with other countries, such as with the UK, whereby accidental and emergency medical costs are covered by their state health system (apart from routine dental and medical treatments). Many countries don’t have such a separate scheme for medical treatment needed as a result of accidents.

Ambulances are free for patients in the UK, including for Kiwis on holiday, no matter whether your emergency is from an accident or a medical event. In NZ you will get a Hato Hone St John bill, albeit subsidised, for a medical emergency.

It is still advisable to take out travel medical insurance. You need to check what Kiwis can receive from the reciprocal medical agreements for each country you intend to visit.

Reciprocal Health Agreements with the UK and Oz.
https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/corporate-information/our-health-system/eligibility-for-publicly-funded-health-services/reciprocal-health-agreements/

[Panda-NZ-]

The maori party's wish to set up their own parliament sounds a bit like treason.

Plus another distasteful aspect is will only maori be allowed to vote in this second parliament? (How much percentage ancestry do you need).

If you are no longer an NZ citizen then I don't think you should have access to the NZ employment market or social benefits.

[blackcap]

(How much percentage ancestry do you need to qualify).

You don't. All you need to do is identify as Maori. That's good enough. We are considering changing our status to Maori. There are many privileges and benefits associated with this change.

[mistaTea]

You don't. All you need to do is identify as Maori. That's good enough. We are considering changing our status to Maori. There are many privileges and benefits associated with this change.

What benefits would you get to make it worthwhile?

[blackcap]

What benefits would you get to make it worthwhile?

Well preferential health treatments etc, ie qualify before caucasians do for free stuff.

Also preferential status when seeking employment (diversity)

[Bjauck]

You don't. All you need to do is identify as Maori. That's good enough. We are considering changing our status to Maori. There are many privileges and benefits associated with this change.
It depends for what purposes you want to identify as Māori. Proof of descent is required for electoral and some other purposes.

For example: https://consult.health.govt.nz/hiso/hiso-10094-2021-m-ori-descent-and-iwi-affiliation/supporting_documents/Iwi%20affiliation%20data%20protocols%20%20MOH%20%2 0Draft%201%2022%20September%202021%20FINAL.pdf

[Bjauck]

The maori party's wish to set up their own parliament sounds a bit like treason.

Plus another distasteful aspect is will only maori be allowed to vote in this second parliament? (How much percentage ancestry do you need).

If you are no longer an NZ citizen then I don't think you should have access to the NZ employment market or social benefits. I don’t think seeking or discussing the reorganisation of representative bodies per se is treasonous. It is just democratic debate or expression.

The Westminster system, on which the NZ system is based, can include non-democratic chambers, such as the House of Lords in the UK.

I also think only NZ citizens should be able vote in elections in NZ. Australia has a citizenship requirement, except for British Commonwealth citizens who arrived there before a certain specified date. NZ citizens can vote immediately in UK elections.

[blackcap]

It depends for what purposes you want to identify as Māori. Proof of descent is required for electoral and some other purposes.

For example: https://consult.health.govt.nz/hiso/hiso-10094-2021-m-ori-descent-and-iwi-affiliation/supporting_documents/Iwi%20affiliation%20data%20protocols%20%20MOH%20%2 0Draft%201%2022%20September%202021%20FINAL.pdf

O bugger, there goes my plan. I thought you could identify for all aspects. It seems I have been misinformed.

[Bjauck]

O bugger, there goes my plan. I thought you could identify for all aspects. It seems I have been misinformed. There is a lot if misinformation and opinion portrayed as fact out there!

[RTM]

O bugger, there goes my plan. I thought you could identify for all aspects. It seems I have been misinformed.

You might need to move to America.

[mistaTea]

I don’t think seeking or discussing the reorganisation of representative bodies per se is treasonous. It is just democratic debate or expression.

The Westminster system, on which the NZ system is based, can include non-democratic chambers, such as the House of Lords in the UK.

I also think only NZ citizens should be able vote in elections in NZ. Australia has a citizenship requirement, except for British Commonwealth citizens who arrived there before a certain specified date. NZ citizens can vote immediately in UK elections.

Is that all they did?

I thought they declared Independence.

[Bjauck]

Is that all they did?

I thought they declared Independence. With no authority from anyone else, I think the Maori Party “declared” Political independence by wanting to establish a Maori parliament. In effect they want self government within NZ. Even within the context of the English language version of the Treaty of Waitangi, I am not sure if this would amount to an act of treason against King Charles. Would a declaration such as that even be classified as an act?

If this were treason, it could certainly shut down debate. Every opposition political party wants King Charles to change how he governs the people in NZ.

However I am no expert as to what constitutes high or regular treason!

[Getty]

Congratulations to Nicola Willis and her team for serving up a palatable budget.

We could have easily got an austerity budget to choke on, to ease the hangover from 6 years of drunken orgy of Labour Greens.

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Congratulations to Nicola Willis and her team for serving up a palatable budget.

We could have easily got an austerity budget to choke on, to ease the hangover from 6 years of drunken orgy of Labour Greens.

Why even have the change then.

Matthew Hooton: Debt will explode under Nicola Willis.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/budget-2024-debt-set-to-explode-under-willis-matthew-hooton/K23TTTNPDFFONFVG333UB2HFWQ/

[causecelebre]

Why even have the change then.

Matthew Hooton: Debt will explode under Nicola Willis.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/budget-2024-debt-set-to-explode-under-willis-matthew-hooton/K23TTTNPDFFONFVG333UB2HFWQ/

Pretty much sums it up. A disappointing budget from my point of view. It was a political budget, not one based on economic needs. Utterly useless

[Getty]

One should understand degustation or medicinal programs.

You don't take it all in one gulp!

[causecelebre]

One should understand degustation or medicinal programs.

You don't take it all in one gulp!

haha. One also understands a laxative can help flush out the crap

[Getty]

haha. One also understands a laxative can help flush out the crap

Touche!

Lol.

So, Arnold Nordmeyer style Black Budget anyone?

[Panda-NZ-]

Is there anything in social services left to cut? Only super..

[Panda-NZ-]

Come to think of it, the accomodation supplement can be axed in it's entirety.

Along with tax reform to boost revenue (cgt).

[nztx]

Why even have the change then.

Matthew Hooton: Debt will explode under Nicola Willis.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/budget-2024-debt-set-to-explode-under-willis-matthew-hooton/K23TTTNPDFFONFVG333UB2HFWQ/


The large Debt is now hiding parked up sitting on it's fat b*m somewhere in Otago Uni with not a care for the size of the hole orchestrated on all ;)

[mistaTea]

The large Debt is now hiding parked up sitting on it's fat b*m somewhere in Otago Uni with not a care for the size of the hole orchestrated on all ;)

Well, I will get a whopping $20 a week more in the back pocket.

Those on WFF should get a decent amount, but the rest (pensioners, low wage earners who don't have kids, higher wage earners who do have kids) get peanuts.

I knew they were going to have to scale back tax cuts once they got into govt and realised they had a lot less to play with.

But now that I see they are still going to have to borrow so much, I question again whether these tax cuts are the right thing to do.

Given how modest it is for a lot of people, I doubt it's gonna be an election winner.

They start to lose credibility after all of the attacks on Labour. And I agree that Labour was out of control! But to then go and borrow even more money to give tax cuts... I just can't go along with that.

[Getty]

No doubt all those who disagree with tax cuts, or regard them as a pittance will, as a matter of principle, donate them to a reputable charity, like, um, National, NZ First or Act parties!

[Panda-NZ-]

No doubt all those who disagree with tax cuts, or regard them as a pittance will, as a matter of principle, donate them to a reputable charity, like, um, National, NZ First or Act parties!

Nah, we need them to keep up with the inflation it will create.

[Bjauck]

Well, I will get a whopping $20 a week more in the back pocket.

Those on WFF should get a decent amount, but the rest (pensioners, low wage earners who don't have kids, higher wage earners who do have kids) get peanuts.

I knew they were going to have to scale back tax cuts once they got into govt and realised they had a lot less to play with.

But now that I see they are still going to have to borrow so much, I question again whether these tax cuts are the right thing to do.

Given how modest it is for a lot of people, I doubt it's gonna be an election winner.

They start to lose credibility after all of the attacks on Labour. And I agree that Labour was out of control! But to then go and borrow even more money to give tax cuts... I just can't go along with that.
They turned a blind eye to revenue raising requirements when formulating their electioneering tax cutting “promises”. At least it isn’t as bad as the Liz Truss fiscal blowout tax-cutting kamikaze budget in the UK?

[davflaws]

No doubt all those who disagree with tax cuts, or regard them as a pittance will, as a matter of principle, donate them to a reputable charity, like, um, National, NZ First or Act parties!

Reputable??

[nztx]

posting adjusted with quote

[nztx]

Nah, we need them to keep up with the inflation it will create.

the inflation has already happened & taken off out the gate long before now :)

didn't you notice that with Comrade Robbo's attempt to hurl out the COL adjustment excuse after the horse had bolted ? ;)

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/nicola-willis-reveals-shes-had-to-field-a-complaint-over-reserve-bank-governor-adrian-orrs-conduct/77GE373YU5EXFGVL2PNVCGQNSM/

Nicola Willis reveals she’s had to field a complaint over Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr’s conduct

Poor Adrian Awesome - finally he's been alleged to have been seen prancing around too big for his boots ;)

Will it be out skating down Willis Street on the seat of his pants in a shower of silver sparks by mid week ? ;)

[mistaTea]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-heads-to-niue-and-fiji-this-week/EGPDSQ5KTBHCBAZALQX4OUTU7A/

They really stuffed up with reneging on the cancer drug commitment. Happy to borrow for tax cuts…but couldn’t get the money to fund important cancer drugs?

Backtrack coming very soon.

“We’ve been working hard on that, we’ve got more work to do and we’ll have something more to say about that shortly.”

[iceman]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-heads-to-niue-and-fiji-this-week/EGPDSQ5KTBHCBAZALQX4OUTU7A/

They really stuffed up with reneging on the cancer drug commitment. Happy to borrow for tax cuts…but couldn’t get the money to fund important cancer drugs?

Backtrack coming very soon.

“We’ve been working hard on that, we’ve got more work to do and we’ll have something more to say about that shortly.”

Agree. This is a very poor decision. There has been some suggestion that the Pharmac system has complicated this, but lets see what happens. You can not make such campaign promises, that directly affect very vulnerable people and gives them hope and then not follow through on it.

[mistaTea]

Agree. This is a very poor decision. There has been some suggestion that the Pharmac system has complicated this, but let’s see what happens. You can not make such campaign promises, that directly affect very vulnerable people and gives them hope and then not follow through on it.

Yes absolutely.

And also, when asked about it after the budget announcement, Chris said that it was about money. They things were worse than they realised after Labour and hard decisions needed to be made.

Another example of him being a rookie. How was it ever going to play well that you can borrow money to fund tax cuts…yet could not find any money to keep a very important campaign promise?

So yes I expect to see some sort of backpedaling.

[Bjauck]

Agree. This is a very poor decision. There has been some suggestion that the Pharmac system has complicated this, but lets see what happens. You can not make such campaign promises, that directly affect very vulnerable people and gives them hope and then not follow through on it.

This is a budget that clearly indicates that the Coalition is starting to roll back the nanny state, so that it can make tax cuts and not introduce new taxes. First Home Grants were axed too. That makes saving through KiwiSaver for young people less compelling too.

Private Health Insurance companies have policies with cancer cover including for drugs that Pharmac does not cover.

So the rich will be richer and live longer. Coalition colours have been hoisted!

[Panda-NZ-]

It's funny because Americans are disproportionately obese and take drugs despite the high healthcare cost.

Despite high crime penalties thefts and assault rates are rampant too. Though you're right it's more about elevating the wealthy in both countries and not doing what works for anyone else.

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kings-birthday-honours-2024-the-full-list-of-all-recipients/P4L54KE5MVCIHIMAJN3LOR335E/

King’s Birthday Honours 2024: The full list of all recipients

Darn - another year past & still can't see any Sir Balance, Sir Beagle, Sir MistaTea, Sir Getty, Sir Iceman, Sir 777,
etc or me on there ;)

No Awards for the collaborators of the Left's last scum before collapsing in a heap there either. Perhaps their antics weren't viewed as being anywhere neat stellar enough, apart from in the excavating large holes and the leaving mostly unfinished & never would fly projects departments :)

Maybe they bring a Tunnel & Large Hole digging awards section in next year for the past losers :)

Well done Sir Peter .. but do we know your offsider from somewhere ? Was she tangled up in MFB sometime back after escaping from a stint imprisoned in the concrete walls of Spot's Telecommunications jungle ? ;)

Joan has probably done a good deal of time in places and boards that matter, so cannot be left off the list, the legendary 4 days a week Trust outfit throw together founder gets a mention, as does the Briscoes Man - Rod who keeps on delivering shareholders impressive results

[mistaTea]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kings-birthday-honours-2024-the-full-list-of-all-recipients/P4L54KE5MVCIHIMAJN3LOR335E/

King’s Birthday Honours 2024: The full list of all recipients

Darn - another year past & still can't see any Sir Balance, Sir Beagle, Sir MistaTea, Sir Getty, Sir Iceman, Sir 777,
etc or me on there ;)


I too am shocked.

MissusTea even let me show her the ‘ole stiff one eye’ this morning because I told her it would be a sure thing.

Damn.

[777]

Wrong quote

[777]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kings-birthday-honours-2024-the-full-list-of-all-recipients/P4L54KE5MVCIHIMAJN3LOR335E/

King’s Birthday Honours 2024: The full list of all recipients

Darn - another year past & still can't see any Sir Balance, Sir Beagle, Sir MistaTea, Sir Getty, Sir Iceman, Sir 777,
etc or me on there ;)



I turned it down. Not sure what the others did. ;)

[Getty]

I turned it up.

I've serviced a few dames in my time, but perhaps l should do it more publicly.

Anyway, l'm humbled to be included with such esteemed company.

Thanks.

[iceman]

This is a budget that clearly indicates that the Coalition is starting to roll back the nanny state, so that it can make tax cuts and not introduce new taxes. First Home Grants were axed too. That makes saving through KiwiSaver for young people less compelling too.

Private Health Insurance companies have policies with cancer cover including for drugs that Pharmac does not cover.

So the rich will be richer and live longer. Coalition colours have been hoisted!

What about the long overdue tax bracket adjustments, in work payments and increase in WFF ? Hardly aimed ad the "rich" !

[Panda-NZ-]

Police officers pelted with rocks by a mob in Levin.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/06/horowhenua-mayor-says-police-hugely-outnumbered-by-boy-racers-on-saturday.html

Where's the tough on crime focus Luxon promised? Of course police can avoid all this by simply moving to aust.

[mistaTea]

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/518573/new-cancer-drug-funding-to-be-announced-this-year-christopher-luxon

Yep, Chris is scrambling.

[Bjauck]

This is a budget that clearly indicates that the Coalition is starting to roll back the nanny state, so that it can make tax cuts and not introduce new taxes. First Home Grants were axed too. That makes saving through KiwiSaver for young people less compelling too.

Private Health Insurance companies have policies with cancer cover including for drugs that Pharmac does not cover.

So the rich will be richer and live longer. Coalition colours have been hoisted!

What about the long overdue tax bracket adjustments, in work payments and increase in WFF ? Hardly aimed ad the "rich" ! In addition to income tax cuts, you need to take into account the reintroduced tax break for landlords, the cancellation of the first home grant of $5,000, Reimposition of prescription charges, reduction of public transport subsidies, free first year of study cancelled (fewer poorer students will try further education), warmer homes scheme scaled back.

So all in all, a budget for the wealthier and those who can afford private health insurance. It is a signpost for the direction of travel for the Coalition. I imagine many coalition supporters will not be unhappy.

[mistaTea]

In addition to income tax cuts, you need to take into account the reintroduced tax break for landlords, the cancellation of the first home grant of $5,000, Reimposition of prescription charges, reduction of public transport subsidies, free first year of study cancelled (fewer poorer students will try further education), warmer homes scheme scaled back.

So all in all, a budget for the wealthier and those who can afford private health insurance. It is a signpost for the direction of travel for the Coalition. I imagine many coalition supporters will not be unhappy.

Though the various things you call out in terms of cuts are true, I think it is a stretch to characterise the budget as being for the wealthy.

The biggest recipients of the tax cuts are families that qualify for WFF.

I would be considered ‘wealthy’ in NZ and I will get $20 a week.

[Bjauck]

Though the various things you call out in terms of cuts are true, I think it is a stretch to characterise the budget as being for the wealthy.

The biggest recipients of the tax cuts are families that qualify for WFF.

I would be considered ‘wealthy’ in NZ and I will get $20 a week. The WFF bonanza for some is of up to $25 week if you are in work with children. The clawback remains once your household starts earning over about $43000.

The cost to taxpayers of that is dwarfed by five times by the cost of reintroducing the landlord tax break. It is clear for whom the benefit from the budget lies.

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The cost to taxpayers of that is dwarfed by five times by the cost of reintroducing the landlord tax break. It is clear for whom the benefit from the budget lies.

Yes, it's very clear that those who want to rent a home will get the benefit of more rental homes available to rent, as landlords are re incentivised

[fungus pudding]

The WFF bonanza for some is of up to $25 week if you are in work with children. The clawback remains once your household starts earning over about $43000.

The cost to taxpayers of that is dwarfed by five times by the cost of reintroducing the landlord tax break. It is clear for whom the benefit from the budget lies.

Landlords do not get 'a tax break.'

[davflaws]

Police officers pelted with rocks by a mob in Levin.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/06/horowhenua-mayor-says-police-hugely-outnumbered-by-boy-racers-on-saturday.html


Where's the tough on crime focus Luxon promised? Of course police can avoid all this by simply moving to aust.

Lets not make this a political issue. It is totally unacceptable, and we should support the police with whatever resources they need to identify, locate, and prosecute the offenders.

[nztx]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/road-user-charges-12000-renegade-ev-owners-now-face-fines/HYDIZMHOXBGI3OIUR5Y4Z3I3T4/

Road user charges: 12,000 renegade EV owners now face fines


A kingsized RUC Up on the way folks ;)

Thanks Labour ;)

Its surprising Te Waka of Roading Incompetence (NZ Pothole Agency) are even able to work out how many there are after their inability to track the large Pot Hole collection multiplying under their noses :)

[Baa_Baa]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/road-user-charges-12000-renegade-ev-owners-now-face-fines/HYDIZMHOXBGI3OIUR5Y4Z3I3T4/

Road user charges: 12,000 renegade EV owners now face fines


A kingsized RUC Up on the way folks ;)

Thanks Labour ;)

Its surprising Te Waka of Roading Incompetence (NZ Pothole Agency) are even able to work out how many there are after their inability to track the large Pot Hole collection multiplying under their noses :)

The Seagull in the bay, spreading ****e and misinformation as usual, squark squark.

The lack of RUC charges for EV/PHEV were expired by the Coalition government in January 2024 and RUC for them was implemented April 2024, with a grace period to end-May 2024. Time is up.

Catching the non-RUC payers is easy, there is a system called the MVR (Motor Vehicles Register), it is connected to the RUC system, surely you knew that. Now they're caught, they will all receive a notice, to pay up including arrears, or face prosecution.

There is not a 'pot hole system', do you really think NZTA sweep every road across the whole motu to find potholes? They rely on public reporting and their dedicated teams, who are all subcontractors, get out there and fix them.

Your cynicism for NZTA is not well founded, it is inaccurate, misinformed and worse, you politicise it.

[tim23]

Yes, it's very clear that those who want to rent a home will get the benefit of more rental homes available to rent, as landlords are re incentivised
Another sucker who believes that these magic houses suddenly appear?!

[Balance]

Another sucker who believes that these magic houses suddenly appear?!

Kiwibuild 100,000 homes?

[Getty]

Another sucker who believes that these magic houses suddenly appear?!

Only someone like you who is still playing with the hand me down dolls houses Mummy gave you could make a comment like that!

One day you will understand what nurture is.

[nztx]

Kiwibuild 100,000 homes?


Cripes .. one of the flagship policies of the failed mob that Timothy admired deeply - wasn't it ?

Back in the reign of Queen Cinderella (the terrible), promise the earth like last year was the last year, spin every Crisis as an end of the earth magic fable everyone got saved from & the flushing Wonder Loo on housing dreams that mysteriously vanished before it appeared ? :)

[mistaTea]

I find it remarkable how the left wingers cling to labour, greens etc no matter what.

Zero objectivity.

I prefer to to try keep some objectivity.

Which allows me to vote in a new government but then still be critical of their policies. Evidenced by my luke warm reception to the budget and very critical response to them reneging on an important promise (cancer drugs).

Can anyone imagine the labour loons that post on these threads doing the same when the previous lot was in power?

No matter what bs the previous govt came up with, the usual suspects would be on here defending no matter how ridiculous it got. Hell, they still do.

One should not be wedded to a particular political party or ideology.

[kiora]

It depends whether they are they "Pot Holes" ,"Puddle Holes" or just “nid-de-poule”

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/18-07-2023/everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-potholes-but-were-afraid-to-ask

[Bjauck]

Landlords do not get 'a tax break.'The Government can give and the government can take away. At least residential rents are exempt from GST. Just imagine the jolt of reality that would give the housing market, if that exemption were removed.

[Balance]

The Government can give and the government can take away. At least residential rents are exempt from GST. Just imagine the jolt of reality that would give the housing market, if that exemption were removed.

GST is a tax on consumption - what has that got to do with landlords getting a tax break? The tax break if any is for the tenants.

Try another example and you may make sense one of these days.

[Bjauck]

GST is a tax on consumption - what has that got to do with landlords getting a tax break? The tax break if any is for the tenants.

Try another example and you may make sense one of these days. Provision of Goods AND services. Tenants consume the provision of accommodation. It is of course a political decision to exempt from GST the provision of residential housing.

If tenants cannot afford rents+gst. Landlords would have to buy their property at a cheaper price. Increased home owner occupation.

[iceman]

GST is a tax on consumption - what has that got to do with landlords getting a tax break? The tax break if any is for the tenants.

Try another example and you may make sense one of these days.

It would simply mean an additional 15% rent for tenants, collected by landlords on behalf of the Government. Zero effect on landlords except some extra administration costs

[iceman]

Provision of Goods AND services. Tenants consume the provision of accommodation. It is of course a political decision to exempt from GST the provision of residential housing.

If tenants cannot afford rents+gst. Landlords would have to buy their property at a cheaper price. Increased home owner occupation.

Accommodation supplements would increase to cover most of it.. As you said in an earlier post, the Government gives and the Government takes away.

[Daytr]

I find it remarkable how the left wingers cling to labour, greens etc no matter what.

Zero objectivity.

I prefer to to try keep some objectivity.

Which allows me to vote in a new government but then still be critical of their policies. Evidenced by my luke warm reception to the budget and very critical response to them reneging on an important promise (cancer drugs).

Can anyone imagine the labour loons that post on these threads doing the same when the previous lot was in power?

No matter what bs the previous govt came up with, the usual suspects would be on here defending no matter how ridiculous it got. Hell, they still do.

One should not be wedded to a particular political party or ideology.

TBF plenty of right wingers do the same.
Both left & right of the spectrum fluctuate about 20% thanks to those aren't fixed on either ideology but look to policy offered and performance to swing their vote.

It is the swing voters that decide elections.

[Daytr]

Landlords do not get 'a tax break.'

Correct, it's an offset against the taxed rental income. However there does need to be a CGT on investment properties otherwise NZs economy will never regain its productivity.


Another sucker who believes that these magic houses suddenly appear?!

There are already more investors coming back to the market, so the tax changes will create more rental supply & hopefully bring down rents.

I think we may have seen peak rents & rents quite often are an inverse to house prices. With more investors back we may also start seeing house prices improve.

[mistaTea]

TBF plenty of right wingers do the same.
Both left & right of the spectrum fluctuate about 20% thanks to those aren't fixed on either ideology but look to policy offered and performance to swing their vote.

It is the swing voters that decide elections.

You are right, I was just thinking about that earlier.

Plenty of 'right wingers' too who will defend the current govt no matter what because they despise the 'other team' so much.

Honeymoon well and truly over now that the Budget is out, warts and all. Optimistic about what they can deliver from here, but keeping an eye on baldy and his Merry Men in the meantime :cool:

[nztx]

It would simply mean an additional 15% rent for tenants, collected by landlords on behalf of the Government. Zero effect on landlords except some extra administration costs


15% GST reclaim on the Capital Assets purchase price would provide a handy interest free loan for LL's ;)

Guess who would be paying for that ..

[nztx]

Correct, it's an offset against the taxed rental income. However there does need to be a CGT on investment properties otherwise NZs economy will never regain its productivity.



There are already more investors coming back to the market, so the tax changes will create more rental supply & hopefully bring down rents.

I think we may have seen peak rents & rents quite often are an inverse to house prices. With more investors back we may also start seeing house prices improve.


Bring back Depreciation claims on Houses (which don't last forever & are frequently damaged by the occupying talent) and we wouldn't have a Housing Shortage problem anymore within a short time :)

[Bjauck]

Accommodation supplements would increase to cover most of it.. As you said in an earlier post, the Government gives and the Government takes away.
Maybe to an extent. I think however that if the exemption had not been introduced in the first place, there would have been market realignment as Landlords would not have bothered entering the market in the numbers and amount that they did. Some would not have wanted to deal with GST.

So the demand from investors for real estate would not have been as great with the result that land prices would not have climbed to as high as they are today, resulting in more widespread home ownership today. Anyway that is a fantasy alternate NZ regulatory environment!

[Bjauck]

Correct, it's an offset against the taxed rental income. However there does need to be a CGT on investment properties otherwise NZs economy will never regain its productivity.



There are already more investors coming back to the market, so the tax changes will create more rental supply & hopefully bring down rents.

I think we may have seen peak rents & rents quite often are an inverse to house prices. With more investors back we may also start seeing house prices improve. It is great if the investors coming back are building additional houses, otherwise they will be outbidding owner occupiers.

Whether called a tax-break, or a taxable income offset, other taxpayers end up paying for it. After all a tax break is anything from the government that reduces someone’s tax liability.

[Daytr]

Bring back Depreciation claims on Houses (which don't last forever & are frequently damaged by the occupying talent) and we wouldn't have a Housing Shortage problem anymore within a short time :)

Very bad idea as houses / land on average appreciate.


It is great if the investors coming back are building additional houses, otherwise they will be outbidding owner occupiers.

Whether called a tax-break, or a taxable income offset, other taxpayers end up paying for it. After all a tax break is anything from the government that reduces someone’s tax liability.

Well yes they will to a degree, bit there is a balance. Rents have sky rocketed in the last few years and is now at a level that us basically unaffordable, let alone being able to save to buy a house.

[Daytr]

Its obviously the vocal minority on here that want MSM killed off. Not a reality though, a bit like some of the extreme views thank goodness. 🤣😉

News outlets particularly in NZ have a high value of trust and viewer / readership.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/518707/news-provided-by-local-media-outlets-trusted-by-more-than-80-percent-of-kiwis-survey#:~:text=New%20research%20shows%20that%20mor e,local%20news%20source%20is%20shown.

[Balance]

You are right, I was just thinking about that earlier.

Plenty of 'right wingers' too who will defend the current govt no matter what because they despise the 'other team' so much.

Honeymoon well and truly over now that the Budget is out, warts and all. Optimistic about what they can deliver from here, but keeping an eye on baldy and his Merry Men in the meantime :cool:

What honeymoon?

The MSM never gave this government any leeway right from day 1.

And rightly so given the way Luxon has been bending backwards right from day 1 to accommodate the woke elements out there - after promising to roll back such garbage.

[mistaTea]

What honeymoon?

The MSM never gave this government any leeway right from day 1.

And rightly so given the way Luxon has been bending backwards right from day 1 to accommodate the woke elements out there - after promising to roll back such garbage.

I was not referring to the MSM which, I agree, was feral for months after the election. I do note that they seem to have calmed down a bit lately and hopefully taken a deep breath... they are getting themselves further into the sh1t, and do themselves no favours with biased journalists dressing their ideologies up as 'news'.

No, for the honeymoon I was referring to the man in the street. The coalition has retained support from the wider public (despite Maiki Sherman's embarassing report on one poll) since taking office. There is a bit of a honeymoon period with the public once they chuck out the old lot and in with the new.

I think that honeymoon period is now over after the announcement of the Budget, and Luxon can't afford too many more f*ck ups moving forward before it could start to cost him at the next election.

[nztx]

Very bad idea as houses / land on average appreciate.



Well yes they will to a degree, bit there is a balance. Rents have sky rocketed in the last few years and is now at a level that us basically unaffordable, let alone being able to save to buy a house.


Land appreciates, but buildings - do they ? or when they get to point of needing replacement falling into ruin that no amount of R&M can fix - what happens ? Bowl them over for a large capital loss ?

Now on the wider front - allowing RRP depreciation will encourage investment which will increase the rental pool & who knows start correcting the Left's shallow sharade of LL & Rental Property / homeless envy & Socialist lunacy which created the large problem in the first place ? ;)

[Getty]

Feedback from the Hui Taumata held near Hastings on Friday, at Omahu marae, Ngati Kahungunu, to discuss the formation of a Maori Parliament.

2000 attendees.

Many speakers, but the most influential and regarded speech came from King Tuheitia, who spoke last.

He was against the idea of a Maori Parliament, citing difficulties within Tainui tribe, of which he is, as an example of Maori needing to sort out their own affairs, without trying to run the country, or manage their share of the budget.

Ngai Tahu have their say next.

[Balance]

Feedback from the Hui Taumata held near Hastings on Friday, at Omahu marae, Ngati Kahungunu, to discuss the formation of a Maori Parliament.

2000 attendees.

Many speakers, but the most influential and regarded speech came from King Tuheitia, who spoke last.

He was against the idea of a Maori Parliament, citing difficulties within Tainui tribe, of which he is, as an example of Maori needing to sort out their own affairs, without trying to run the country, or manage their share of the budget.

Ngai Tahu have their say next.

They are all lining up to kiss King Charles’ arse when he pays a visit to NZ?

[Bjauck]

Feedback from the Hui Taumata held near Hastings on Friday, at Omahu marae, Ngati Kahungunu, to discuss the formation of a Maori Parliament.

2000 attendees.

Many speakers, but the most influential and regarded speech came from King Tuheitia, who spoke last.

He was against the idea of a Maori Parliament, citing difficulties within Tainui tribe, of which he is, as an example of Maori needing to sort out their own affairs, without trying to run the country, or manage their share of the budget.

Ngai Tahu have their say next.Does King Tuheitia believe more in absolute Māori monarchy as opposed to a parliamentary version with a chamber of commoners?

[Getty]

Does King Tuheitia believe more in absolute Māori monarchy as opposed to a parliamentary version with a chamber of commoners?

I can't specifically answer that on his behalf.

But the main take out from the King's speech is that there is a voice of reason and stability, rather than the divisive rhetoric coming from the likes of
Mugabe Waititi.

[Daytr]

Land appreciates, but buildings - do they ? or when they get to point of needing replacement falling into ruin that no amount of R&M can fix - what happens ? Bowl them over for a large capital loss ?

Now on the wider front - allowing RRP depreciation will encourage investment which will increase the rental pool & who knows start correcting the Left's shallow sharade of LL & Rental Property / homeless envy & Socialist lunacy which created the large problem in the first place ? ;)

Probably depends on the type of build. Think how much those old villas are worth now compared to what they cost. Even an 40 year old fibro is worth a lot more now than it was to build.

Bit I don't think you should be able to depreciate something that you don't pay capital gain on.

[Panda-NZ-]

NZ provides a renewable energy project for Nuie, 20m for 1k people (who are NZ citizens so can move here anyway).

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/06/nz-government-to-contribute-more-than-20-million-to-niue-for-renewable-energy-project.html

Which is nice but why can't we have improved renewable infrastructure here.

[fungus pudding]

Probably depends on the type of build. Think how much those old villas are worth now compared to what they cost. Even an 40 year old fibro is worth a lot more now than it was to build.

Bit I don't think you should be able to depreciate something that you don't pay capital gain on.

In nominal terms only, they will have increased - but in real terms they will be worth a fraction of their replacement cost, i.e. they have depreciated.

[nztx]

Probably depends on the type of build. Think how much those old villas are worth now compared to what they cost. Even an 40 year old fibro is worth a lot more now than it was to build.

Bit I don't think you should be able to depreciate something that you don't pay capital gain on.


seems at odds with other business assets - that stance

Business premises with land - when sold at end of the business - GST zero rated, some depreciation recovery is assessable on buildings etc if claimed, but no capital gains tax ;)

Some appear to have curious & perhaps convenient view of 'capital gain' etc with little background knowledge of what the usual course on such things has been for decades & decades .. strangely some views become muffled when it comes to certain other assets like their own Kiwisaver gains, the beach property or car or bottle collection & gains on them ;)

[Daytr]

In nominal terms only, they will have increased - but in real terms they will be worth a fraction of their replacement cost, i.e. they have depreciated.

I think you need to understand what depreciation in tax terms means.

[Daytr]

seems at odds with other business assets - that stance

Business premises with land - when sold at end of the business - GST zero rated, some depreciation recovery is assessable on buildings etc if claimed, but no capital gains tax ;)

Some appear to have curious & perhaps convenient view of 'capital gain' etc with little background knowledge of what the usual course on such things has been for decades & decades .. strangely some views become muffled when it comes to certain other assets like their own Kiwisaver gains, the beach property or car or bottle collection & gains on them ;)

For businesses I understand it's only the chattels or fittings that are depreciated. Happy to be corrected.

GST zero rating is not relevant.

I buy a car, it quickly gets depreciated to zero over 5 years, but then I sell it for $20k, that $20k is taxable. If it was a collectable car & it appreciated in value I would pay tax on the capital gain.

You really need to get rid of those stupid emojis.

[Daytr]

Who would have thought ACT, the extreme party of the coalition that's all about the ME rather than the WE had such an atrocious culture and Covid nutbars.
Seems they are up with the Greens in regards party culture.
I suppose at least ACT don't pretend to care.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sources

[Bjauck]

In nominal terms only, they will have increased - but in real terms they will be worth a fraction of their replacement cost, i.e. they have depreciated. NZ’s systemic inflation benefits the taxman. The NZ tax system is only interested in nominal returns. Housing shouldn’t be an exception. Anyway with building depreciation it is just a question of timing, if buildings are over depreciated, the depreciation can be clawed back on sale, if the price realised is more than the depreciated value.

In the absence of a CGT, I think the same should happen to mortgage interest, if it is allowed as a tax deduction. And If the sale price is greater than purchase price, then the interest deducted for tax purposes should start to be clawed back.

[blackcap]

Who would have thought ACT, the extreme party of the coalition that's all about the ME rather than the WE had such an atrocious culture and Covid nutbars.
Seems they are up with the Greens in regards party culture.
I suppose at least ACT don't pretend to care.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sources

It's Tova. Grain of salt time.

Not that I am defending Act, but Tova is rather rabid and biased.

[Daytr]

It's Tova. Grain of salt time.

Not that I am defending Act, but Tova is rather rabid and biased.

I don't think she is making up the sources or quotes from the people that worked / volunteered for ACT.

[iceman]

I don't think she is making up the sources or quotes from the people that worked / volunteered for ACT.

Interesting article. But when I read it I don't see anything other than some grumbling from people that didn't get their way during the election campaign. I would say that will apply to all the parties. I imagine many Labour supporters will be unhappy about certain aspects of their terrible campaign. I'd say little to see here.

[nztx]

For businesses I understand it's only the chattels or fittings that are depreciated. Happy to be corrected.

GST zero rating is not relevant.

I buy a car, it quickly gets depreciated to zero over 5 years, but then I sell it for $20k, that $20k is taxable. If it was a collectable car & it appreciated in value I would pay tax on the capital gain.

You really need to get rid of those stupid emojis.


Okay .. thanks for another view & the explanation ... I think I'll stick with the current beancounter :)

[winner69]

Luxon cuts back on post Cabinet press conferences

Gets responses like this

@biggsibtweets
extraordinary admission of defeat by his handlers, can’t polish this bald ceo turd anymore; run and hide strategy. Clock is obviously ticking

I tend to agree …Luxon not a leader and pretty useless and this govt well enough said

[jonu]

Luxon cuts back on post Cabinet press conferences

Gets responses like this

@biggsibtweets
extraordinary admission of defeat by his handlers, can’t polish this bald ceo turd anymore; run and hide strategy. Clock is obviously ticking

I tend to agree …Luxon not a leader and pretty useless and this govt well enough said

I wasn't surprised by this. I figure after the Ardern/Hipkins all talk and no deliver nonsense we suffered for 6 years that Luxon would rather deljver than be constantly peppered with headline seeking questions that don't generally further the debate or policy. Why let the media set the political agenda?

Luxon's not responsible for the number of largely useless political journos/analysts who need daily headlines. Let the journos do some real work a la Andrea Vance, rather than sitting in the beehive theatrette squabbling over the top of each other for crumbs from the podium of truth.

[Panda-NZ-]

Luxon cuts back on post Cabinet press conferences


I tend to agree …Luxon not a leader and pretty useless and this govt well enough said

All his interviews are like 10 minutes long and pretty much nothing is said.

[Daytr]

David MacLeod's donorgate referred to the police.
Think, only a few months ago no one had really heard of this guy. Things that make you famous or perhaps in this case infamous.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/518941/national-mp-david-macleod-s-donations-referred-to-police

[Balance]

Luxon cuts back on post Cabinet press conferences

Gets responses like this

@biggsibtweets
extraordinary admission of defeat by his handlers, can’t polish this bald ceo turd anymore; run and hide strategy. Clock is obviously ticking

I tend to agree …Luxon not a leader and pretty useless and this govt well enough said

Down, down, down …

Latest polls - self explanatory.

Luxon about as effective a leader as Ardern was as a deliverer.

Can’t even get government departments and ministries to change to their proper functional names! And he thinks he can get them to be efficient and deliver results & accountability to NZers? Kiss my arse!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/voters-ditch-national-after-budget-chris-hipkins-pulls-ahead-of-christopher-luxon/U5PIIXLKMRAQBKMLDRNCVH6XKI/

[Panda-NZ-]

Crime worse than ever despite promises of a solution - and a timid response provided by Luxon to NZ being used as a dumping ground for scumbags.

[nztx]

Crime worse than ever despite promises of a solution - and a timid response provided by Luxon to NZ being used as a dumping ground for scumbags.


Thanks - Labour .. ;)

[jonu]

Down, down, down …

Latest polls - self explanatory.

Luxon about as effective a leader as Ardern was as a deliverer.

Can’t even get government departments and ministries to change to their proper functional names! And he thinks he can get them to be efficient and deliver results & accountability to NZers? Kiss my arse!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/voters-ditch-national-after-budget-chris-hipkins-pulls-ahead-of-christopher-luxon/U5PIIXLKMRAQBKMLDRNCVH6XKI/

Now is the winter of our discontent.
This year was always going to be tough. The polls will bounce around and largely count for nothing at this point. Luxon doesn't set the world on fire, but I think he is growing into the PM role. They have had that many fires to put out with government agencies in open rebellion and the MSM throwing their toys out of the cot, so it will take a while to turn the ship. But turn it will.

[nztx]

Now is the winter of our discontent.
This year was always going to be tough. The polls will bounce around and largely count for nothing at this point. Luxon doesn't set the world on fire, but I think he is growing into the PM role. They have had that many fires to put out with government agencies in open rebellion and the MSM throwing their toys out of the cot, so it will take a while to turn the ship. But turn it will.


Wonder if they can dust off one of Robbo's lost files for further COL adjustment he threw away & abandoned ? :)

Half of one of Robbo's efforts with a fraction of his squawking and prancing around like a lost end looking for a new crisis to adopt with new excuses .. could work ..

That might shut up all the whining mice and send them back into their holes ;)

[jonu]

Remarkable speech here by Paul Henry of all people. He has a poke at pretty much everybody, but talks a huge amount of common sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KloEyO5TYjw

[Balance]

Example of the huge success from the Maorification of NZ - highest levels of assaults on children in the 5 years to 2023.

“Serious assaults on under 15 year-olds which resulted in injury increased by 46 percent in the five years to 2023.”

Well done, Ardern, Kelvin Davis, Hipkins, Willie Jackson, the Maori cabal and their creation ‘Oranga Tamariki’.

https://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com/2024/06/oranga-tamariki-behind-scenes.html

And what have the staff in OT been doing?

Attending sessions on cultural awareness and safety!

“At one site supervisors and practice leads have implemented several practices to support the Practice Approach. For example, they have implemented karakia, waiata, kiwaha, and ko wai au in the morning meetings. They now go around the room and ask social workers what they have done in their work that week to reflect Ngakau whakairo and give examples.”

[blackcap]

Attending sessions on cultural awareness and safety!

“At one site supervisors and practice leads have implemented several practices to support the Practice Approach. For example, they have implemented karakia, waiata, kiwaha, and ko wai au in the morning meetings. They now go around the room and ask social workers what they have done in their work that week to reflect Ngakau whakairo and give examples.”

That sounds like a whole lot of meaningless bull crap.

[nztx]

Roading Progress:

The Grand Metropolis of Waipawa scores it's first Upside Down Pot Hole ;)


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/central-hawkes-bay-mail/pre-cast-roundabout-to-be-installed-on-sh2-waipawa/PWAJYRMMRFCOFDZQNR5E5UERMQ/

Pre-cast roundabout to be installed on SH2, Waipawa


Te Waka of Roading Scrapes, Holes & Bumps holding hands with Local Council on this new rare construction effort never seen before, obliterating even the most ardent of motorist's best efforts to blat through town
and not notice the place on the way through ;)

Hope they remembered to hand out instructions to all those around & passing through on how
this large concrete upside down elevated crater in the road that no-one has ever encountered before
in the Waipawa Metropolis should be safely used & navigated ;)


Guess we now need to await the tally of wipeouts, narrow & not so narrow misses & paint overs needed in the coming months out of encounters by locals & not so Locals with this new hazardously placed feature bang in the centre of the main 'Pawa drag ;)

[jonu]

Roading Progress:

The Grand Metropolis of Waipawa scores it's first Upside Down Pot Hole ;)


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/central-hawkes-bay-mail/pre-cast-roundabout-to-be-installed-on-sh2-waipawa/PWAJYRMMRFCOFDZQNR5E5UERMQ/

Pre-cast roundabout to be installed on SH2, Waipawa


Te Waka of Roading Scrapes, Holes & Bumps holding hands with Local Council on this new rare construction effort never seen before, obliterating even the most ardent of motorist's best efforts to blat through town
and not notice the place on the way through ;)

Hope they remembered to hand out instructions to all those around & passing through on how
this large concrete upside down elevated crater in the road that no-one has ever encountered before
in the Waipawa Metropolis should be safely used & navigated ;)


Guess we now need to await the tally of wipeouts, narrow & not so narrow misses & paint overs needed in the coming months out of encounters by locals & not so Locals with this new hazardously placed feature bang in the centre of the main 'Pawa drag ;)

My Dad used to own the wedge shape colonial building. He had a tent factory in there in the late 70s/80s. Mostly made army tents. He also started the sawmill below the highway in the late 60s. Don't know if it's still operating. Odlins bought him out in the late 70s.

[Balance]

That sounds like a whole lot of meaningless bull crap.

It’s the BS being used by the Maori and Leftist Pakeha elites to hoodwink NZers into their Maorification agenda. And the Maorification is to entrench their political power, as well as to drown out any criticism or challenge to their privileges.

Note how any challenger is ‘racist’ or if they are Maori, they are not real ‘Maori?’ according to the Maorification brigade?

Well, fxxk them and a curse on them & their kind for the harm and even, child killings due to their complicity in pushing the BS agenda.

[Getty]

That sounds like a whole lot of meaningless bull crap.

It's always about more hui, and less doey.

Ah, but it honours te tiriti, or so we're told?

[Balance]

It's always about more hui, and less doey.

Ah, but it honours te tiriti, or so we're told?

They are shoving te tiriti up the woke leftist arses (read Ardern, Hipkins, Swarbrick etc) and the leftists are loving the sensation. Feeling the love - they want more.

[Bjauck]

Remarkable speech here by Paul Henry of all people. He has a poke at pretty much everybody, but talks a huge amount of common sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KloEyO5TYjw Good plain talking. If anybody knows about the media, he should as he has had extensive experience, in front of and behind the camera/microphone. He is right about the Queen Street of yesteryear. Today it is a barren wasteland of tackiness in comparison. However a family trip from the suburbs to Queen St would now be an ordeal of road works, jams and parking misery. Slightly better, even if more inconvenient, if you live near a bus route or Train station.

[Aaron]

Remarkable speech here by Paul Henry of all people. He has a poke at pretty much everybody, but talks a huge amount of common sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KloEyO5TYjw

Assumed Paul Henry was just another overpaid, opinionated talking head finding "libertarianism" ala Lindsay Perigo, Paul Holmes, Mike Hoskings. He is funny and I agreed with a lot of what he was saying but rhetoric is easy, it is when you get down to actual policy that things get trickier.

Everyone agrees we want a better NZ that our young people might want to stay in and raise a family here. How this is achieved is where the disagreement starts.

[Panda-NZ-]

Assumed Paul Henry was just another overpaid, opinionated talking head finding "libertarianism" ala Lindsay Perigo, Paul Holmes, Mike Hoskings.

It's easy when everything is in your favour.


Everyone agrees we want a better NZ that our young people might want to stay in and raise a family here. How this is achieved is where the disagreement starts.
The market solution would be to raise wages, but we let so many third world people in. This may cause inflation in the short term until automation kicks in (but then, added migration might too).

[mistaTea]

Assumed Paul Henry was just another overpaid, opinionated talking head finding "libertarianism" ala Lindsay Perigo, Paul Holmes, Mike Hoskings. He is funny and I agreed with a lot of what he was saying but rhetoric is easy, it is when you get down to actual policy that things get trickier.

Everyone agrees we want a better NZ that our young people might want to stay in and raise a family here. How this is achieved is where the disagreement starts.

Agreed, very easy to crack a few jokes and point out the well-known problems. Paul was entertaining and articulated a number of concerns... but coming up with good policy to address the issues and then implementing them effectively is another story.

I think he is right to basically call National yellow bellied. Governing is hard, but they do have a tendency to play it too safe.

[Balance]

Agreed, very easy to crack a few jokes and point out the well-known problems. Paul was entertaining and articulated a number of concerns... but coming up with good policy to address the issues and then implementing them effectively is another story.

I think he is right to basically call National yellow bellied. Governing is hard, but they do have a tendency to play it too safe.

Don't count on National to make radical & necessary changes - the only time National did that was during the Bolger/Richardson era and that did not last more than 1 term before they lost their nerve.

Why ACT & NZ First are so important to put steel into the Coalition's spine.

[Panda-NZ-]

We have strong economic management now - luxon assures us.

A much needed return to the same dull wages and opportunities NZ is reknown for.

[Daytr]

Don't count on National to make radical & necessary changes - the only time National did that was during the Bolger/Richardson era and that did not last more than 1 term before they lost their nerve.

Why ACT & NZ First are so important to put steel into the Coalition's spine.

The last thing NZ needs is swings in the extreme.
Labour & the Māori caucus pushed too far one way & now you want ACT & NZF to swing too far the other.
NZF in particular use such divisive rhetoric and it's not about achieving anything, as it will just build more opposition, it's about appealing to the rednecks.

[Balance]

The last thing NZ needs is swings in the extreme.
Labour & the Māori caucus pushed too far one way & now you want ACT & NZF to swing too far the other.
NZF in particular use such divisive rhetoric and it's not about achieving anything, as it will just build more opposition, it's about appealing to the rednecks.

So what in your opinion are NZF’s extreme policies to appeal to the red necks?

[Daytr]

So what in your opinion are NZF’s extreme policies to appeal to the red necks?

I said rhetoric not policies, ACT have more extreme policies imo, but here are a few extreme issues relating to NZF.

Siding with the tobacco companies & not even campaigning on it. One of the first pieces of legislation to go through. Crickey that must have been a big payback.

Another is Shane Jones complete disregard for the environment. I'm all for cutting red tape where it makes sense, but this guy is a dinosaur. As I said, there is a balance to be had not extreme policy or rhetoric for that matter.

Both Peters & Jones are unnecessarily antagonistic. Luxon should have had the balls and called another election and said to the electorate, give me a mandate without Peters.
He probably would have swung my vote & I reckon a few like me.

[Bjauck]

Agreed, very easy to crack a few jokes and point out the well-known problems. Paul was entertaining and articulated a number of concerns... but coming up with good policy to address the issues and then implementing them effectively is another story.

I think he is right to basically call National yellow bellied. Governing is hard, but they do have a tendency to play it too safe. NZ’s current MMP political system and cycle ends up like Dolittle’s Pushmi-pullyu.

[Daytr]

NZ’s current MMP political system and cycle ends up like Dolittle’s Pushmi-pullyu.

True, but probably not extreme shifts as we see in the US, UK or Australia for that matter.
We just don't want to be heading further down that path.

[iceman]

I said rhetoric not policies, ACT have more extreme policies imo, but here are a few extreme issues relating to NZF.

Siding with the tobacco companies & not even campaigning on it. One of the first pieces of legislation to go through. Crickey that must have been a big payback.

Another is Shane Jones complete disregard for the environment. I'm all for cutting red tape where it makes sense, but this guy is a dinosaur. As I said, there is a balance to be had not extreme policy or rhetoric for that matter.

Both Peters & Jones are unnecessarily antagonistic. Luxon should have had the balls and called another election and said to the electorate, give me a mandate without Peters.
He probably would have swung my vote & I reckon a few like me.

You are making huge assumptions here. I haven't yet seen Jones implement anything that indicates he has "complete disregard for the environment". Many of the failed policies of the last Government and unintended and negative effects on the Government, such as increased coal imports and no investment in our own gas production.

[Balance]

I said rhetoric not policies, ACT have more extreme policies imo, but here are a few extreme issues relating to NZF.

Siding with the tobacco companies & not even campaigning on it. One of the first pieces of legislation to go through. Crickey that must have been a big payback.

Another is Shane Jones complete disregard for the environment. I'm all for cutting red tape where it makes sense, but this guy is a dinosaur. As I said, there is a balance to be had not extreme policy or rhetoric for that matter.

Both Peters & Jones are unnecessarily antagonistic. Luxon should have had the balls and called another election and said to the electorate, give me a mandate without Peters.
He probably would have swung my vote & I reckon a few like me.

NZF campaigned on repealing the 2022 smoking legislation - fact. And it delivered on its promise. Hardly extreme in any case.

Compare and contrast with the numerous broken promises made by Ardern, Hipkins and Labour. Where would you like to start?

As for extreme, how about Labour implementing the racially divisive and racist Maorification policy with zero consultation with NZers?

Without campaigning on it?

And doing it by stealth - by the self-promoted and self-proclaimed most transparent government ever and from the one source of truth.

[Balance]

That sounds like a whole lot of meaningless bull crap.

More bull crap from the Maorification indoctrination policy :

Radio NZ reports:

The Education Ministry spent nearly $3 million on one course that enrolled just 42 students and had 29 graduates over two years.

Annual funding of $4.5m for the Te Kawa Matakura course was axed in last month’s Budget, with the government citing consistent underspends and low enrolments.

The level 5 diploma in the knowledge and customs of indidual iwi had just two intakes of students in Te Tai Tokerau in 2020 and 2021.

This is staggering. They spent $100,000 per graduate for a level 5 diploma course!

[Getty]

More bull crap from the Maorification indoctrination policy :

Radio NZ reports:

The Education Ministry spent nearly $3 million on one course that enrolled just 42 students and had 29 graduates over two years.

Annual funding of $4.5m for the Te Kawa Matakura course was axed in last month’s Budget, with the government citing consistent underspends and low enrolments.

The level 5 diploma in the knowledge and customs of indidual iwi had just two intakes of students in Te Tai Tokerau in 2020 and 2021.

This is staggering. They spent $100,000 per graduate for a level 5 diploma course!

Rather invalidates any business studies or economics qualifications they put out eh?

[Balance]

It’s the BS being used by the Maori and Leftist Pakeha elites to hoodwink NZers into their Maorification agenda. And the Maorification is to entrench their political power, as well as to drown out any criticism or challenge to their privileges.

Note how any challenger is ‘racist’ or if they are Maori, they are not real ‘Maori?’ according to the Maorification brigade?

Well, fxxk them and a curse on them & their kind for the harm and even, child killings due to their complicity in pushing the BS agenda.

All power to Karen for repealing S7AA of Oranga Tamariki Act. And posters, remember all the abuse heaped at her by the Maori elites for putting children & their safety first and race second.

And also, remember Kelvin Davis (minister of OT) abusing her as a token Maori and for her to get out of her Pakeha world?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/517432/bill-repealing-section-7aa-of-the-oranga-tamariki-act-passes-first-reading-in-parliament

Well, here's what S7AA and Labour's Maorification policies have achieved : read on

'Excellent result' again from Labour's 'Race first, Safety last' Maorification policies - an example of how Oranga Tamairiki was more concerned about placing a vulnerable infant with 'whanau' than leaving her in safe care.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/casino-ataria-wharehinga-case-did-oranga-tamarikis-haste-to-place-a-toddler-with-whanau-lead-to-her-death/ONMTJHS66JAGZFYU2KAGWAE7KE/

"Hawke’s Bay toddler Casino Ataria-Wharehinga was killed in the care of her drug-addicted aunt and uncle in Gisborne in early 2022. In the weeks before she died, she was assaulted and refused treatment, before dying after another brutal assault.

A former voluntary Oranga Tamariki caregiver in Hastings says that, while the justice system has dealt with those responsible, OT could have prevented the tragedy.

She says she briefly looked after Casino at OT’s request, and would have kept doing so, but OT sent Casino out of her home, out of the region, and into harm’s way."

KILLED - thanks to Labour & Oranga Tamariki

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/v2/WE2CF3O66VDINDMYAUIGNAWPVA.jpg?auth=36701c1afe6353 2369e697bde51e7d4f123a7b8904760f58e9578dc480feceff&width=1440&height=810&quality=70&smart=true

ENABLING the killings - Kelvin Davis, Ardern & Oranga Tamariki - in the name of Maorification

https://media.rnztools.nz/rnz/image/upload/s--R8qKrcRw--/c_scale,f_auto,q_auto,w_1050/v1643419217/4O518VG_image_crop_45466

[Entrep]

Without getting into private info Balance, is there a point where you’d consider leaving NZ or supporting your kids/friends etc to do so?

[Balance]

Without getting into private info Balance, is there a point where you’d consider leaving NZ or supporting your kids/friends etc to do so?

And without getting too much more into private infor Entrep, I (or rather my partner and I) have bought our holiday home by one of the most beautiful beaches imo in the tropics - clean, powdery white sandy beach kissed by warm clear ocean waters and the beach township/city is fully serviced with all the amenities anyone could possibly need. It obviously doubles as a proper residence as well but that's another story for another time. Some posters here get all angsy or angsty when I posted that fact a while ago so that tells you more about them than me?

Meanwhile, how many NZers are migrating? Well, record numbers - 81,200 in the year to April 2024 and a net 56,500. That's the equivalent of the whole of Nelson's population plus 3,600 leaving NZ permanently.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/v2/HYVQL2BRUJBQDBFWHZ6BC2DHTE.jpg?auth=d32d81b3d7fdb5 42417d1df7264ebe6ee0443eef7a5bc37b6e221a5b7adf7381&width=1440&height=810&quality=70&smart=true

[mistaTea]

All power to Karen for repealing S7AA of Oranga Tamariki Act. And posters, remember all the abuse heaped at her by the Maori elites for putting children & their safety first and race second.

And also, remember Kelvin Davis (minister of OT) abusing her as a token Maori and for her to get out of her Pakeha world?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/517432/bill-repealing-section-7aa-of-the-oranga-tamariki-act-passes-first-reading-in-parliament

Well, here's what S7AA and Labour's Maorification policies have achieved : read on

'Excellent result' again from Labour's 'Race first, Safety last' Maorification policies - an example of how Oranga Tamairiki was more concerned about placing a vulnerable infant with 'whanau' than leaving her in safe care.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/casino-ataria-wharehinga-case-did-oranga-tamarikis-haste-to-place-a-toddler-with-whanau-lead-to-her-death/ONMTJHS66JAGZFYU2KAGWAE7KE/

"Hawke’s Bay toddler Casino Ataria-Wharehinga was killed in the care of her drug-addicted aunt and uncle in Gisborne in early 2022. In the weeks before she died, she was assaulted and refused treatment, before dying after another brutal assault.

A former voluntary Oranga Tamariki caregiver in Hastings says that, while the justice system has dealt with those responsible, OT could have prevented the tragedy.

She says she briefly looked after Casino at OT’s request, and would have kept doing so, but OT sent Casino out of her home, out of the region, and into harm’s way."

KILLED - thanks to Labour & Oranga Tamariki

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/v2/WE2CF3O66VDINDMYAUIGNAWPVA.jpg?auth=36701c1afe6353 2369e697bde51e7d4f123a7b8904760f58e9578dc480feceff&width=1440&height=810&quality=70&smart=true

ENABLING the killings - Kelvin Davis, Ardern & Oranga Tamariki - in the name of Maorification

https://media.rnztools.nz/rnz/image/upload/s--R8qKrcRw--/c_scale,f_auto,q_auto,w_1050/v1643419217/4O518VG_image_crop_45466

Blood on their hands.

And there will be a number of other Maori kids getting hidings and living in grim conditions but we never hear about because they are not murdered.

Not PC to say but child absuse is a real problem in ‘Maoridom’. The majority are good loving parents etc, but they, as a group, are massively over represented in the child abuse stats.

Poverty, alcohol, drugs, promiscuity … all lead to a recipe for disaster. But rather than figuring out practical things to try to address it, successive governments have done F all. And, if anything, the precious governments race-based policies seem to have made things even worse.

Meanwhile the Maori parties solution is to have a separate Parliament.

Just breaks your heart really.

[mistaTea]

And without getting too much more into private infor Entrep, I (or rather my partner and I) have bought our holiday home by one of the most beautiful beaches imo in the tropics - clean, powdery white sandy beach kissed by warm clear ocean waters and the beach township/city is fully serviced with all the amenities anyone could possibly need. It obviously doubles as a proper residence as well but that's another story for another time. Some posters here get all angsy or angsty when I posted that fact a while ago so that tells you more about them than me?

Meanwhile, how many NZers are migrating? Well, record numbers - 81,200 in the year to April 2024 and a net 56,500. That's the equivalent of the whole of Nelson's population plus 3,600 leaving NZ permanently.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/v2/HYVQL2BRUJBQDBFWHZ6BC2DHTE.jpg?auth=d32d81b3d7fdb5 42417d1df7264ebe6ee0443eef7a5bc37b6e221a5b7adf7381&width=1440&height=810&quality=70&smart=true

We have started to set in motion plans to move to Ireland within 2 years. I don’t like where NZ is headed and it will get worse before it gets better (if it ever does get better).

My son and I are dual Irish citizens and my wife can ride our coat tails to get in. Don’t even need to fill in any application for her, just turn up and tell immigration she has come to live. After 3 years she can become an Irish citizen too.

[Bjauck]

We have started to set in motion plans to move to Ireland within 2 years. I don’t like where NZ is headed and it will get worse before it gets better (if it ever does get better).

My son and I are dual Irish citizens and my wife can ride our coat tails to get in. Don’t even need to fill in any application for her, just turn up and tell immigration she has come to live. After 3 years she can become an Irish citizen too.There is a turn around for NZers to head to Ireland for its comparative political stability. Though Northern Ireland is heading closer to reunification, which will then be Ireland’s turn to deal with the DUP! Stock up on merino jumpers before you go! Every now and again the other EU countries baulk at their low corporate tax. Maybe the nationalist wave sweeping the continent may mean alignment is less likely, or maybe even competition as more countries out compete each other to attract multi-nationals.

[blackcap]

Blood on their hands.

And there will be a number of other Maori kids getting hidings and living in grim conditions but we never hear about because they are not murdered.

Not PC to say but child absuse is a real problem in ‘Maoridom’. The majority are good loving parents etc, but they, as a group, are massively over represented in the child abuse stats.

Poverty, alcohol, drugs, promiscuity … all lead to a recipe for disaster. But rather than figuring out practical things to try to address it, successive governments have done F all. And, if anything, the precious governments race-based policies seem to have made things even worse.

Meanwhile the Maori parties solution is to have a separate Parliament.

Just breaks your heart really.

It might not be PC but it is bloody true and like you say its really quite heart breaking. The problem with the PC aspect, is that we can't really talk about it and find solutions... because there really is not a problem.

Also quite a few whiteys think that "giving the missus the bash" is some kind of made up thing. It is not. Thats also heart breaking. It happens so much more than we want to admit.

[mistaTea]

It might not be PC but it is bloody true and like you say its really quite heart breaking. The problem with the PC aspect, is that we can't really talk about it and find solutions... because there really is not a problem.

Also quite a few whiteys think that "giving the missus the bash" is some kind of made up thing. It is not. Thats also heart breaking. It happens so much more than we want to admit.

Yea the unreported assaults on women and children are massive. The average kiwi would be shocked if they knew the half of it.

And I agree, so long as we are not allowed to call out the elephant in the room due to it not being PC enough…then there is no hope of establishing lasting solutions.

And I don’t pretend to have all the answers, nor do I underestimate how challenging it must be…all I know is that the ‘solutions’ by successive governments over decades have made jack diddly squat difference.

[Bjauck]

It might not be PC but it is bloody true and like you say its really quite heart breaking. The problem with the PC aspect, is that we can't really talk about it and find solutions... because there really is not a problem.

Also quite a few whiteys think that "giving the missus the bash" is some kind of made up thing. It is not. Thats also heart breaking. It happens so much more than we want to admit. Do you know how much of the difference is due to economic and social circumstances? I wonder what the difference in rates of abuse is, once you strip out wealth and income levels, parental age and relationship status differences from the ethnic comparisons.

What is the average propensity to child abuse for a poor, under 25yo solo parent of Māori and for non-Māori backgrounds, for example? Knowing that will then help direct attention to the most needed areas, whether Māori or non-Māori.

[mistaTea]

Do you know how much of the difference is due to economic and social circumstances? I wonder what the difference in rates of abuse is, once you strip out wealth and income levels, parental age and relationship status differences from the ethnic comparisons.

What is the average propensity to child abuse for a poor, under 25yo solo parent of Māori and for non-Māori backgrounds, for example? Knowing that will then help direct attention to the most needed areas, whether Māori or non-Māori.

Yes, poverty etc is a key contributor.

But rather than try to address the underlying cause, there has been an attempt to take the lazy option which is just implement race based policies. And they do not work.

Baby Ru never should have been returned to the mother. Mustafa was on police and OT radar from a month old but they did nothing.

Moko was another tragic case. Known to OT but ended up being stomped to death.

The list goes on.

I don’t have all the answers, but all I do know is having ideological policies that put ethnicity over safety are a recipe for disaster.

[Balance]

Yes, poverty etc is a key contributor.

But rather than try to address the underlying cause, there has been an attempt to take the lazy option which is just implement race based policies. And they do not work.

Baby Ru never should have been returned to the mother. Mustafa was on police and OT radar from a month old but they did nothing.

Moko was another tragic case. Known to OT but ended up being stomped to death.

The list goes on.

I don’t have all the answers, but all I do know is having ideological policies that put ethnicity over safety are a recipe for disaster.

And they are applying ethnicity criteria as a solution to every conceivable problem out there, be it social or economic - with the same outcome. Disaster.