Was this the start of a US Presidential campaign

[winner69]

Bernie would make a good Presidents .......and take the Democrats back to there roots

Was last week’s little do the beginning of his 2020 campaign

https://sandersinstitutegathering.org

[macduffy]

To answer the original question with another: Do the campaigns ever stop?

;)

[BlackPeter]

Elizabeth Warren aka 'Pocahontas'


Amazing - still people around parroting the liar in chief and doing his bidding.

Why?

[blackcap]

Amazing - still people around parroting the liar in chief and doing his bidding.

Why?

Because she has been outed, even by Wapo as a fake.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-apologizes-for-calling-herself-native-american/2019/02/05/1627df76-2962-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.c9c6bd744ae4

Sen. Elizabeth Warren said Tuesday that she was sorry that she identified herself as a Native American for almost two decades, reflecting her ongoing struggle to quiet a controversy that continues to haunt her as she prepares to formally announce a presidential bid.

Her comments more fully explain the regret she expressed last week to the chief of the Cherokee Nation, the first time she’s said she was sorry for claiming American Indian heritage.

[blackcap]

Bernie would make a good Presidents .......and take the Democrats back to there roots

Was last week’s little do the beginning of his 2020 campaign

https://sandersinstitutegathering.org

Bernie has a small chance but I do not think he will get there. The Dems will do what they did to him last time.

Odds currently to be Dem primary winner are:

Harris 4
Orouke 7
Biden 7
Sanders 15
Warren 20
Klobucher 15
Gillibrand 20
Brown 15
Gabbard 23
Clinton 40

As you can see its a pretty open field and plenty of others probably going to put hat into ring.

[BlackPeter]

Because she has been outed, even by Wapo as a fake.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-apologizes-for-calling-herself-native-american/2019/02/05/1627df76-2962-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.c9c6bd744ae4

So - she appologized. For something she said which might have been misunderstood but hurt nobody.

Just remind me - when did the big bully and liar sitting in the white house appologize for any of his lies and his hate speach which does actually does hurt people? Trump is revolting and directly responsible for hate crimes and the corrosion of democratic institutions.

[BlackPeter]

Bernie has a small chance but I do not think he will get there. The Dems will do what they did to him last time.

Odds currently to be Dem primary winner are:

Harris 4
Orouke 7
Biden 7
Sanders 15
Warren 20
Klobucher 15
Gillibrand 20
Brown 15
Gabbard 23
Clinton 40

As you can see its a pretty open field and plenty of others probably going to put hat into ring.

No point in analysing at this stage the odds. The crook who is sitting currently in the white house was 22 months prior ot the elections not even in the race.

More interesting is - will the GoP go with some other candidates into the primaries? I guess while it appears Trump is owning the party ... there still must be somewhere a decent human being on the conservative side who sees the crook for what he is?

[blackcap]

No point in analysing at this stage the odds. The crook who is sitting currently in the white house was 22 months prior ot the elections not even in the race.

More interesting is - will the GoP go with some other candidates into the primaries? I guess while it appears Trump is owning the party ... there still must be somewhere a decent human being on the conservative side who sees the crook for what he is?

You might be interested in GOP primary winner.

Trump 1.50 (so not a given by any means, that is a 2 in 3 chance)
Haley 18
Pence 20
Kasich 25
Romney 50
Ryan 40
Sasse 50
Corker 50
Owens 160

Plenty on the rest.

[JBmurc]

According to the Herald she's out and started running....:eek2:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12202380

I don't see her getting much traction

[Bjauck]

The rich are getting richer in America. Asset inflation has meant that a greater percentage of equity is now concentrated in the top 1% whilst middle incomes are stagnating. Are employee share ownership plans on the agenda in the USA? Does it help explain the rise of populism and the extreme right?

How America’s 1% came to dominate equity ownershiphttps://www.ft.com/content/2501e154-4789-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

[Paddles]

At this point I don't think it matters who the Democrats nominee is.
Still there is a long way to go, and a deep recession would play into the hands of the socialists.

11013

[blackcap]

As someone on another board mentioned:

"Two really old NY Jews, who are not Democrats are the top 2 primary candidates, in a Democrat party who hates old people and Jews."

What a time to be alive!

[BlackPeter]

As someone on another board mentioned:

"Two really old NY Jews, who are not Democrats are the top 2 primary candidates, in a Democrat party who hates old people and Jews."

What a time to be alive!

What a weird comment coming from a stauch supporter of the biggest liar and crook ever dwelling in the white house ... but then projection of their attributes onto other people seems to be one of the strongest traits of Trump and many of this supporters.

I wouldn't know how a party can "hate" at all, only people can do that.

Do you mean to say that you are hating old people and Jews?

Tell us more ...

[blackcap]

What a weird comment coming from a stauch supporter of the biggest liar and crook ever dwelling in the white house ... but then projection of their attributes onto other people seems to be one of the strongest traits of Trump and many of this supporters.

I wouldn't know how a party can "hate" at all, only people can do that.

Do you mean to say that you are hating old people and Jews?

Tell us more ...

I love old people and I love Jews. In fact I have family members living in Israel. But that aside, its just ironic that the party that does not like Jews and has a thing about old white men and entitlement and privilege, well the two front runners and contenders for their top position are both very old, very white and of Jewish origin. You just can't make that kind of stuff up.

[Joshuatree]

You just have.

[whatsup]

Under the circumstances I think that the current situation is about correct for this round of the mid terms , not what everyone wanted but thems are the facts !

[BlackPeter]

Under the circumstances I think that the current situation is about correct for this round of the mid terms , not what everyone wanted but thems are the facts !

Impossible - clearly - if the results are not as people wanted, than clearly the election must have been stolen :p; Ask Donald, the Liar.

[iceman]

Impossible - clearly - if the results are not as people wanted, than clearly the election must have been stolen :p; Ask Donald, the Liar.

Hopefully this is the start of the USA moving beyond both Biden & Trump

[Blue Skies]

Hopefully this is the start of the USA moving beyond both Biden & Trump


It hardly matters if Biden achieves anything else, but lets not forget his greatest achievement & I mean this sincerely & one for which the world should be forever grateful to Biden esp at his age, was blocking Trump from a second term. (Biden was the oldest person to become President at 78 & will be 80 in less than 2 weeks time, 20th Nov ).

[fungus pudding]

It hardly matters if Biden achieves anything else, but lets not forget his greatest achievement & I mean this sincerely & one for which the world should be forever grateful to Biden esp at his age, was blocking Trump from a second term. (Biden was the oldest person to become President at 78 & will be 80 in less than 2 weeks time, 20th Nov ).

I would give more credit to Trump himself than Biden for Donald's downfall.

[iceman]

I would give more credit to Trump himself than Biden for Donald's downfall.

Correct. I think the results from the midterm election show loud and clear that most people have had enough of Trump's antics.

[Panda-NZ-]

Though republicans outperformed expectations in 2020 .

Leave a sh*tstorm in most areas.. still be competitive.

[Panda-NZ-]

Tim Ryan now that Ohio tossed him out for a trumpist loser should become the vice president.

A Biden-ryan ticket at least in 2024 will secure the presidency for democrats even if Biden dies (which is a risk today unfortunately).

[Blue Skies]

I would give more credit to Trump himself than Biden for Donald's downfall.


A thoughtful piece by CNN's political analyst Julian Zelizer, on Biden, titled "The most underestimated President in recent history".
Might modify your opinion.


In 2020 Trump not only won more votes than he did in 2016, but also expanded his base.
Since WW2 most Presidents have successfully won re-election.
But despite this, Trump was unable to stave off Biden who not only defeated a group of younger & more exciting candidates in the 2020 Democratic Primaries, but at the age of 76 became the oldest person to become President.
That's no trivial achievement.

Since loosing to Biden in 2020, & The Capital Insurrection, Trump's been the architect of his own downfall esp it appears in the mid-terms.
Whereas Rupert Murdoch's media empire (Fox News, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, The Australian, The Times) heavily backed Trump in 2020 & until the recent mid-terms, it seems he's now seen as yesterday's man & Murdoch's backing Florida's Ron DeSantis as the new leader for the Republicans.


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/10/opinions/biden-midterms-underestimated-zelizer/index.html

[jonu]

A thoughtful piece by CNN's political analyst Julian Zelizer, on Biden, titled "The most underestimated President in recent history".
Might modify your opinion.


In 2020 Trump not only won more votes than he did in 2016, but also expanded his base.
Since WW2 most Presidents have successfully won re-election.
But despite this, Trump was unable to stave off Biden who not only defeated a group of younger & more exciting candidates in the 2020 Democratic Primaries, but at the age of 76 became the oldest person to become President.
That's no trivial achievement.

Since loosing to Biden in 2020, & The Capital Insurrection, Trump's been the architect of his own downfall esp it appears in the mid-terms.
Whereas Rupert Murdoch's media empire (Fox News, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, The Australian, The Times) heavily backed Trump in 2020 & until the recent mid-terms, it seems he's now seen as yesterday's man & Murdoch's backing Florida's Ron DeSantis as the new leader for the Republicans.


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/10/opinions/biden-midterms-underestimated-zelizer/index.html

Defeating someone as polarising and loathed as Trump is hardly an accomplishment. I've said it repeatedly; the fact that the US system can come up with such terrible nominees from both sides shows something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Most likely far too much corporate influence on both sides.

[Crypto Crude]

You lot are in fairy tale lands LOL... what a laugh.... you guys, its just pip squeak chatter .... legit...
....just tell me one thing biden did good in his term?

[Balance]

Bye bye Fornicator Trump.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/this-is-the-end-of-donald-trump-midterm-elections-shows-worst-possisible-outcome-for-his-presidential-plans/7AGODHUAFZBMPIP2TLKZMBJ33E/

[Marilyn Munroe]

The difference between President's Biden & Putin is Biden's opponent is not yet in jail.

Boop boop de do
Marilyn

[blackcap]

The difference between President's Biden & Putin is Biden's opponent is not yet in jail.

Boop boop de do
Marilyn

They are certainly using all the dirty tricks in the book to make it so though.

[fungus pudding]

You lot are in fairy tale lands LOL... what a laugh.... you guys, its just pip squeak chatter .... legit...
....just tell me one thing biden did good in his term?

Beat Trump at the polls.

[blackcap]

Beat Trump at the polls.

If that is all he has accomplished, well thats quite the CV.

[Daytr]

I'm not sure I can listen to Trump for 90 minutes saying how great he is whilst making derogatory comments about everyone else.
(As I write, I realized its the same modus operandi as one of the posters on here!)

No live audience, candidates muted whilst the other is speaking. Amazing that they have to do this just because of Trumps record of rude behaviour. I remember him stalking Clinton around the stage like a predator in 2016.

Anyone know how to view it in NZ?

[Panda-NZ-]

I'm not sure I can listen to Trump for 90 minutes saying how great he is whilst making derogatory comments about everyone else.
(As I write, I realized its the same modus operandi as one of the posters on here!)

They seem attached to celebrities like a form of OCD.

Trump, Elon musk, steve jobs, obama (just to be equal). They are worshipped to the extent of saints and downsides are ignored.

This mindset is obviously a problem because it can lead to someone like Hitler in the worst case, though trump is nowhere near as methodical, charasmatic and tends to ruin everything so let's hope his team is the same.

[mistaTea]

I'm not sure I can listen to Trump for 90 minutes saying how great he is whilst making derogatory comments about everyone else.
(As I write, I realized its the same modus operandi as one of the posters on here!)

No live audience, candidates muted whilst the other is speaking. Amazing that they have to do this just because of Trumps record of rude behaviour. I remember him stalking Clinton around the stage like a predator in 2016.

Anyone know how to view it in NZ?

TV3 has it I think.

[ynot]

They seem attached to celebrities like a form of OCD.

Trump, Elon musk, steve jobs, obama (just to be equal). They are worshipped to the extent of saints and downsides are ignored.

This mindset is obviously a problem because it can lead to someone like Hitler in the worst case, though trump is nowhere near as methodical, charasmatic and tends to ruin everything so let's hope his team is the same.

This mindset is obviously a problem because it can lead to someone like Jacinda Ardern in the worst case.

[Panda-NZ-]

We can do worse than Jacinda (she got us data centres, Aussie citizenship for kiwis and trade deals).

An international diplomacy star compared to those who have "good conversations" but nothing delivered.

[Getty]

No live audience, candidates muted whilst the other is speaking. Amazing that they have to do this just because of Trumps record of rude behaviour. I remember him stalking Clinton around the stage like a predator in 2016.


Joey Biden has capitulated already.

He was the one who cancelled out the live audience, because he knew Trump plays them better and gets a very vocal level of support.

[Panda-NZ-]

Joey Biden has capitulated already.

He was the one who cancelled out the live audience, because he knew Trump plays them better and gets a very vocal level of support.

Joe doesn't have to show up you know. Neither does trump but he can't help himself, loves the attention.

[Getty]

Trump will out flank Joey.

All he has to do is to get a war veteran to appear in the wings with his golf trundler, and Joey will shuffle off the set mid debate to have a chat!

Knows his priorities does our Joey.

[Panda-NZ-]

Trump would be a war veteran if he didn't have those unfortuante bone spurs.

[Panda-NZ-]

You can watch on youtube if you want to see the spectacle of how far america has fallen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v-8wJkmwBY

[Getty]

Oh dear.
23 minutes in, and Joey having many senior moments.
A disconnect between brain and mouth.

Stand down now Joey, while you can do so with dignity.

Is it too late to bring in Jacinda?

[winner69]

Who will 'replace' Biden before the conventions

[JBmurc]

WTF USA how can these two be the leaders of the free world Dumb Vs Dumber ...like 10yr kids

Been watching a few clips of Nixon interviews where have the intellectual leaders gone they can speak more than just we are the BEST ever bah bah BS ???

NIXON Vs KENNEDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9cdRpE4KKc

CARTER Vs REGAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8YxFc_1b_0

[Panda-NZ-]

You're the worst president... no you're the worst president..

Trump: that wasn't real and didn't happen (50+ videos available of it happening).

Democratic team - biden has a cold today in the middle of summer.

[Getty]

Ah, but a delusional Joey thinks he can give Trumpet a hiding in golf, reckons he couldn't carry a golf bag.
The American public wanted to know that, and feel reassured now?

A lot of talk on war mongering by both.

Should we be afraid?

[JBmurc]

Ah, but a delusional Joey thinks he can give Trumpet a hiding in golf, and reckons he couldn't carry a golf bag.
The American public wanted to know that, and feel reassured now.

A lot of talk on war mongering by both.

Should we be afraid?

I just don't get it how these two guys the leaders of the major parties make no sense I wouldn't elect them to the president of my local Golf Club..

Yet I just watched two Geriatrics one a failing CONman Vs one that should be in a retirement 24 hour care ....need a limit on age

[jonu]

Going by the CNN commentators who across the Board agreed that Biden is not up to it, and them alluding that there were conversations happening across the Democrat base from the minute Biden walked out, it would appear that the way is being prepared for an alternative candidate. That might be Trump's undoing. Let's all hope it's someone competent and not just a mouthpiece.

[Panda-NZ-]

Yet I just watched two Geriatrics one a failing CONman Vs one that should be in a retirement 24 hour care ....need a limit on age

Biden looked at times like that photo of Rosevelt a few days before his death. :(

Surely it would have been apparent in the many debate practice sessions.

[Daytr]

One of the few times I have seen posters on here from both the left and the right agree on something, that being neither candidate is fit to be president.

Would I rather have an aged man who has small lapses over a consistent liar, definitely the former, although 4 years is a long time in an 83 year oldest future life & health span.

Can the Dems actually replace Biden?
I assume so but do they have the cahones?
The Republicans obviously don't as they are scared sh1tless of Trump.

[Panda-NZ-]

A compromise for the democrats would be to replace Kamala Harris (and you can trust the DNC to come up with half-baked solutions like this and lose).

Though you need to actually debate trump, so full replacement is probably the only option.

[Getty]

When Kamala Harris was asked to comment on Joey's performance, she was so one eyed and deflective, l don't think she even wanted to see that Trump was there!

But she did latch onto his comments on abortion.

[Balance]

Old man vs Con Man.

What an indictment on the US as a country! https://chappatte.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb/public/2023-04/L230426c-small_0.jpg?itok=m5unIYrR

[mistaTea]

I think only one thing can be said for certain after that debate.

Biden is absolutely f*cked.

[Daytr]

This is a good article on the process of replacing Biden. Effectively he would have to agree to withdraw, so it seems unlikely to me, unless perhaps someone like Obama whispers in his ear or perhaps Biden's own wife.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/can-democrats-replace-joe-biden-ballot-rcna159374

[Panda-NZ-]

Well then, Kamala comes into the picture either within the next six months or if Biden wins.

She will polarise the country as much as Trump.

[Balance]

I think only one thing can be said for certain after that debate.

Biden is absolutely f*cked.

And if he decides to continue to run, then US is also fxxked.

Will accelerate the decline of the US.

Rest of the world will continue as it did before.

[mistaTea]

And if he decides to continue to run, then US is also fxxked.

Will accelerate the decline of the US.

Rest of the world will continue as it did before.

Yeah they need to get him to stand down. That was horrible to watch.

I hope his political opponents did not take any joy from that. Watching an elderly man stumble like that in front of the world. I felt really sad watching Biden.

But Biden must not be POTUS again. He is too old and there is a lot going on in the world right now that requires a strong US President.

Kamala would not be able to win.

A yankee friend of mine has suggested Gavin Newsom. Governor of California I think… don’t know much about him but I think he has been touted as a possible replacement.

[Bjauck]

Yeah they need to get him to stand down. That was horrible to watch.

I hope his political opponents did not take any joy from that. Watching an elderly man stumble like that in front of the world. I felt really sad watching Biden.

But Biden must not be POTUS again. He is too old and there is a lot going on in the world right now that requires a strong US President.

Kamala would not be able to win.

A yankee friend of mine has suggested Gavin Newsom. Governor of California I think… don’t know much about him but I think he has been touted as a possible replacement.
I think it is sad and scary to see such a confused President up against a challenger more crooked and tricky than Nixon. Time to brush off plans for the WW3 bunkers?

If they are patriotic Americans, they should both make themselves unavailable.

[Bjauck]

Joey Biden has capitulated already.

He was the one who cancelled out the live audience, because he knew Trump plays them better and gets a very vocal level of support.
Trump is a master at wooing a crowd, entertaining them, and holding them. It doesn’t mean he is a suitable candidate for president though. Maybe he is suited for another TV show.

[Panda-NZ-]

I think it is sad and scary to see such a confused President up against a challenger more crooked and tricky than Nixon. Time to brush off plans for the WW3 bunkers?

If they are patriotic Americans, they should both make themselves unavailable.

A tactical nuke might be on the cards soon.

If putin fears a non-biden Democrat could easily beat trump then he may try to take "special action". Hopefully nothing that drastic though.
Maybe China has warned him against it.

[mistaTea]

I think it is sad and scary to see such a confused President up against a challenger more crooked and tricky than Nixon. Time to brush off plans for the WW3 bunkers?

If they are patriotic Americans, they should both make themselves unavailable.

Yes very scary for the US (and therefore the world) they these are the two options.

A convicted felon who just lies and lies and lies.

Or a senile Democrat.

I feel very worried about a whole host of issues after watching that debate.

[Balance]

Yeah they need to get him to stand down. That was horrible to watch.

I hope his political opponents did not take any joy from that. Watching an elderly man stumble like that in front of the world. I felt really sad watching Biden.

But Biden must not be POTUS again. He is too old and there is a lot going on in the world right now that requires a strong US President.

Kamala would not be able to win.

A yankee friend of mine has suggested Gavin Newsom. Governor of California I think… don’t know much about him but I think he has been touted as a possible replacement.

From what I have read, Newsom would beat Trump hands down.

But he has said he is not interested.

[Balance]

Yes very scary for the US (and therefore the world) they these are the two options.

A convicted felon who just lies and lies and lies.

Or a senile Democrat.

I feel very worried about a whole host of issues after watching that debate.

Not to worry, mT.

We will have to manage our affairs to the extent that we can, given that there are factors out there way out of our control.

As was wisely advised during covid - you cannot control the storm but you can control how you react to it.

[JBmurc]

Trump is a master at wooing a crowd, entertaining them, and holding them. It doesn’t mean he is a suitable candidate for president though. Maybe he is suited for another TV show.

In watching trump speak(dial it down mate!!) ...Biden frail out of touch

Instead of Trump boasting about how he's the best and how the USA was perfect under his leadership, I wish he could be more real and connect with people on a more honest level by toning down his attitude...

Show he has matured and can pull his head in.....but no

[mistaTea]

From what I have read, Newsom would beat Trump hands down.

But he has said he is not interested.

Let’s watch this space.

After watching that debate he might decide to go for it (and be strongly encouraged/begged by his peers) to save the Dems and keep Trump well away from the White House.

That debate was a horror show.

[Panda-NZ-]

In watching trump speak(dial it down mate!!) ...Biden frail out of touch

Instead of Trump boasting about how he's the best and how the USA was perfect under his leadership, I wish he could be more real and connect with people on a more honest level by toning down his attitude...

Show he has matured and can pull his head in.....but no

It was a disaster before I came in... it was perfect with me in charge and everything was beautiful... now it's a disaster.

[JBmurc]

Not to worry, mT.

We will have to manage our affairs to the extent that we can, given that there are factors out there way out of our control.

As was wisely advised during covid - you cannot control the storm but you can control how you react to it.

I wouldn't stress much in Biden's case it's well known he is only the frontman all the real moves come from Obamas lackys

[Daytr]

In watching trump speak(dial it down mate!!) ...Biden frail out of touch

Instead of Trump boasting about how he's the best and how the USA was perfect under his leadership, I wish he could be more real and connect with people on a more honest level by toning down his attitude...

Show he has matured and can pull his head in.....but no

At 78 he will mature.
Common JB you ask too much.
The guy doesn't have an ethical bone in his body.

Ironically in 2016 the Dems had a very competent candidate in Hillary. But America and some on here aren't ready for a strong articulate woman.

Hillary won the popular vote, despite the desperate email scandal that miraculously & anonymously landed in the FBI's lap just weeks before the election.
Trump only became president due to the archaic electoral college system.

[Balance]

I wouldn't stress much in Biden's case it's well known he is only the frontman all the real moves come from Obamas lackys

May be so but it’s the average American voters who decide who gets into the White House.

I actually think Trump would give the US one last hurrah before that country blows itself up.

A new world order is overdue.

[Panda-NZ-]

A new world order is overdue.

The alternatives are worse than America.

Russia needs regime change, and to join europe rather than murdering their own brothers to ally with Asian countries half a world away because they have a "KGB-approved" govt and believe in state media rubbish.

[jonu]

Let’s watch this space.

After watching that debate he might decide to go for it (and be strongly encouraged/begged by his peers) to save the Dems and keep Trump well away from the White House.

That debate was a horror show.

California has gone to hell under Newsom. He's a vacuous mouth piece type in the mould of Trudeau and Ardern. The tide is going out on these types worldwide, so while Newsom might present better than Biden, people have seen California and the hell-hole it's city centres have become, from LA to San Diego to San Francisco.

[Baa_Baa]

May be so but it’s the average American voters who decide who gets into the White House.

Not strictly true, the popular vote doesn't elect the President, the Electoral College elects the President and there are precedents where the Electoral College essentially overrode the popular vote. That's what happened in 2016, and had happened only three times previously in US political history.

[Panda-NZ-]

California has gone to hell under Newsom. He's a vacuous mouth piece type in the mould of Trudeau and Ardern. The tide is going out on these types worldwide, so while Newsom might present better than Biden, people have seen California and the hell-hole it's city centres have become, from LA to San Diego to San Francisco.

It's expensive sure. But Newsom doesn't control federal drug policies, inter-state migration or social services so naturally you get homeless drug addicts everywhere which seems to be much more of an American problem rather than something that applies to other countries. They go the california because it's a decent place to live and many other americans live there.

In a free market you can't build a wall to keep them out either unless it's a prison (the usual red state solution).

[Bjauck]

California has gone to hell under Newsom. He's a vacuous mouth piece type in the mould of Trudeau and Ardern. The tide is going out on these types worldwide, so while Newsom might present better than Biden, people have seen California and the hell-hole it's city centres have become, from LA to San Diego to San Francisco. Post Covid swings? You should include ideologues such as Sunak, and previous Conservative PMs, in your list of vacuous leaders. Food banks are the growth industry in the UK. The UK will join Australia in having a Labour Government.

[jonu]

Post Covid swings? You should include ideologues such as Sunak, and previous Conservative PMs, in your list of vacuous leaders. Food banks are the growth industry in the UK. The UK will join Australia in having a Labour Government.

I haven't really kept up with Sunak. Covid roosters roosting will be a part, but I think it's deeper than that. Europe has had enough. They are seeing their various cultures disappear under the weight of refugees and immigration. Despite your insistence that Brexit was a horrible mistake, the Euro elections would suggest the continent might be envious of what the UK achieved in getting out. Macron has panicked.

The pendulum has swung. The Left have over reached and the swing will be long and hard. Italy led the way. Argentina followed. Canada and probably France imminent.

[mistaTea]

Rousing speech from Biden at rally.

Sounded good…electable - a shame he was only 20% of that at the debate.

It seems like most elderly he has really good days and then really bad days.

[Bjauck]

I haven't really kept up with Sunak. Covid roosters roosting will be a part, but I think it's deeper than that. Europe has had enough. They are seeing their various cultures disappear under the weight of refugees and immigration. Despite your insistence that Brexit was a horrible mistake, the Euro elections would suggest the continent might be envious of what the UK achieved in getting out. Macron has panicked.

The pendulum has swung. The Left have over reached and the swing will be long and hard. Italy led the way. Argentina followed. Canada and probably France imminent.

The issue of refugees and how to handle them is a big strain, on the EU and individual frontline countries. It often gets confused with freedom of movement too.

Only 30% of Brits according to yougov polling think that Brexit was the right thing to have done. Nationalist parties in other EU countries no longer want to see their nations leave the EU. They prefer lobbying for reform from within. Le Pen’s French Front National stopped promoting a Frexit several years ago.

You probably aren’t aware of much about Sunak, because the UK have been changing PMs whenever calamities mount up…so three PMs since 2019 - the last election. Four PMs within five years. The UK left the EU in Jan 2020. The right wing government in the UK has been beset by problems other than Brexit, including health system failures, economic and trade decline, Ministerial scandals and conflicts of interest, etc. Brexit dishonesty, stress and incompetence has been a big factor though.

It would be interesting to see how a left wing Starmer gets on with a second term Trump. It will strain the so-called special relationship with the UK. He will need to work hard to keep Trump connected with Europe. Much was made of Boris Johnson’s similarity with Donald Trump as fellow disrupters.

[ynot]

Rousing speech from Biden at rally.

Sounded good…electable - a shame he was only 20% of that at the debate.

It seems like most elderly he has really good days and then really bad days.

Hard to get the measure on medication. sometimes not enough, then next day they nail it. Does not mean he is ok. Far from it.

[mistaTea]

Hard to get the measure on medication. sometimes not enough, then next day they nail it. Does not mean he is ok. Far from it.

Yes I do not think Biden is ok or fit to continue as POTUS.

Just amazing how one day he seems really ‘with it’ and the next day he looks like he should be in an old age home.

It is sad. Could also be them adjusting meds etc. I am no doctor so don’t know about that.

[Jay]

As has been said many a time, a population of 350 million or so and that is the best 2 they can come up with, or the 2 that want to stand and have enough support within their respective parties

[ynot]

Yes I do not think Biden is ok or fit to continue as POTUS.

Just amazing how one day he seems really ‘with it’ and the next day he looks like he should be in an old age home.

It is sad. Could also be them adjusting meds etc. I am no doctor so don’t know about that.

Don't need to be a doctor to work it out. What is hard to understand Is how whoever is controlling him has the gall to think this is ok.

[Bjauck]

Hard to get the measure on medication. sometimes not enough, then next day they nail it. Does not mean he is ok. Far from it.
Maybe a reset and an upgraded operating system are necessary.

[Panda-NZ-]

In the US they are liberal on prescribing drugs. If you ask for it they will give it to you.

When I was on a benzo for a brief time I had no inhibition at all to stop at stop signs when driving. Scary stuff.

[ynot]

In the US they are liberal on prescribing drugs. If you ask for it they will give it to you.

When I was on a benzo for a brief time I had no inhibition at all to stop at stop signs when driving. Scary stuff.

Biden is certainly sailing through a few stop signs. Hopefully his minders are keeping him well away from the nuke button, or anything else of nation importance.

[Getty]

In the US they are liberal on prescribing drugs. If you ask for it they will give it to you.

When I was on a benzo for a brief time I had no inhibition at all to stop at stop signs when driving. Scary stuff.

That's it then, he's on the benzo , because he doesn't know when to stop.

"Mr President, it's time to nuke North Korea, you know, NK on your keypad"

"OK then, bombs away, oops, l pushed NZ by mistake, too late to stop, goddammit!!!"

"Mr President, we will find a way to blame Trump"

[Panda-NZ-]

There are informal controls as we saw during the Trump admin about nukes.

I don't think even american doctors are silly enough to prescribe them to an elderly patient.

[Getty]

Anyway, GOLF was the winner on the night...

[blackcap]

At 78 he will mature.
Common JB you ask too much.
The guy doesn't have an ethical bone in his body.

Ironically in 2016 the Dems had a very competent candidate in Hillary. But America and some on here aren't ready for a strong articulate woman.

Hillary won the popular vote, despite the desperate email scandal that miraculously & anonymously landed in the FBI's lap just weeks before the election.
Trump only became president due to the archaic electoral college system.

Remember the USA is not a democracy, it is a Federal Republic. Nothing Archaic about their system. That is what their Republic is based on.

[Panda-NZ-]

Remember the USA is not a democracy, it is a Federal Republic. Nothing Archaic about their system. That is what their Republic is based on.

It's both.

Supreme court has outsized power though and is run by a council of elders (ie out of touch old men & women).

[Getty]

Poor old Joey will be feeling a bit under the weather since the debate, but Trump will reassure him, any port in a Stormy!

[Baa_Baa]

Supreme court ... is run by a council of elders (ie out of touch old men).

I think the women members would be offended by your comments. https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

[Panda-NZ-]

I think the women members would be offended by your comments. https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Agreed, corrected.

[Baa_Baa]

Agreed, corrected.

The women are not all that old.

[Bjauck]

As has been said many a time, a population of 350 million or so and that is the best 2 they can come up with, or the 2 that want to stand and have enough support within their respective parties
Only those candidates who are independently wealthy or have policies that appeal to wealthy donors have any chance of selection and/or running for President. Becoming President of the USA costs mega bucks.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/198183/total-disbursements-for-us-presidential-campaign-financing-since-1979/

[Balance]

US is a fxxked up country in structural decline.

Like all the empires in the past built on the subjugation and exploitation of others through the use of force, the US will have its inevitable collapse.

The US has of course taken the exploitation of other countries one step further by flooding the world with unlimited supply of US$ to support its own standard of living at the expense of others. The beginning of the end of the domination of the US$ has started.

This Presidential election of the old man vs the con man is the surest sign yet of the inflexion point.

[mistaTea]

US is a fxxked up country in structural decline.

Like all the empires in the past built on the subjugation and exploitation of others through the use of force, the US will have its inevitable collapse.

The US has of course taken the exploitation of other countries one step further by flooding the world with unlimited supply of US$ to support its own standard of living at the expense of others. The beginning of the end of the domination of the US$ has started.

This Presidential election of the old man vs the con man is the surest sign yet of the inflexion point.

If Biden does not step aside, you would hope that voters would pick Biden as the lesser of the two evils.

As old as Biden is, Trump is still a lying piece of sh1t who should be in jail, not the White House.

[Balance]

If Biden does not step aside, you would hope that voters would pick Biden as the lesser of the two evils.

As old as Biden is, Trump is still a lying piece of sh1t who should be in jail, not the White House.

The true measure of the US as a country is indeed in Nov 2024.

[ynot]

If Biden does not step aside, you would hope that voters would pick Biden as the lesser of the two evils.

As old as Biden is, Trump is still a lying piece of sh1t who should be in jail, not the White House.

With respect MT you are missing the bigger picture here, in my view. Biden is nothing but a Democrat tool. Irrespective what you think of Trump, the Dems are THE problem in USA. not Biden. He was never in charge anyway.

[Balance]

With respect MT you are missing the bigger picture here, in my view. Biden is nothing but a Democrat tool. Irrespective what you think of Trump, the Dems are THE problem in USA. not Biden. He was never in charge anyway.

Trump is a piece of shxt and for the Republicans to support him speaks volume of the sordid and declining state of US.

The hypocrisy of introducing the Ten Commandments to schools yet at the same time endorsing Trump who fornicated a porn star while his wife was in hospital, sexually assaulted women and lied & lies & stole.

[mistaTea]

Trump is a piece of shxt and for the Republicans to support him speaks volume of the sordid and declining state of US.

Yeah this whole schtick about the USA has gone to Hell in a hand basket under Biden/The Dems just doesn’t have much in the way of merit.

What we do know for certain is that DJT is an absolute piece of sh1t. A f*cking scumbag who should be in The Big House, not The White House.

If I had to pick out of the two evils I would prefer Biden because at least Biden’s wife, his mate Obama and his other minders would keep him in check.

If the USA decide to elect a convicted felon instead, well frankly they deserve everything they get. Because USA is already on the decline and a DJT presidency would only speed that process up imo.

[JBmurc]

Biden keep falling music video

https://x.com/KevinRMullins/status/1806727653413576953

[mistaTea]

Biden keep falling music video

https://x.com/KevinRMullins/status/1806727653413576953

Christ that one made me snort!!

[Panda-NZ-]

I'm in two minds about it now given the pretty good Biden rally the day after.

Maybe they gave him a drug idk, but I've also never been 81 before.
Still he was underperforming vs trump even before the debate.

[ynot]

I'm in two minds about it now given the pretty good Biden rally the day after.

Maybe they gave him a drug idk, but I've also never been 81 before.
Still he was underperforming vs trump even before the debate.

Drug top up and a teleprompter, combine that with no questions and yes on a good day..... prior to 4.00pm bedtime, maybe.

[mistaTea]

I'm in two minds about it now given the pretty good Biden rally the day after.

Maybe they gave him a drug idk, but I've also never been 81 before.
Still he was underperforming vs trump even before the debate.

Biden should not be POTUS.

The only thing the Dems have to weigh up is whether or not sh1tcanning him now will help or hurt their WH chances.

It may well be that it is too late in the game. If they can keep his meds flowing at the ideal doses it might end up being ok for them.

The stakes are high and keeping DJT as far away from the WH as possible is imperative.

Right now it looks like they are sticking with Joe. They will only do one more debate right? I pray that it falls on a ‘good day’ for Joe.

https://www.instagram.com/thedailyshow/reel/C8wyAkgMFES/

[Wright]

Genius :). Trump should run that as a campaign ad.

[mistaTea]

Loses train of through, trails off…mumbles a bit…

Ends with “We beat Medicaid”.

Host cuts him off as his time ran out (thank God).

I really did feel bad for Biden. It was obvious from that point that the rest of the ‘debate’ was going to be an absolute horror show.

I mean, hop dayummm!

[Bjauck]

I'm in two minds about it now given the pretty good Biden rally the day after.

Maybe they gave him a drug idk, but I've also never been 81 before.
Still he was underperforming vs trump even before the debate.
The debate format with the need for more spontaneous responses is not kind to Biden. Fortunately as President he has access to advisers. I think Biden is without doubt more honest, consistent and trustworthy. Even if he is generally slower to think dynamically and respond than Trump. Out of the two, he is the lesser of the two evils.

[mistaTea]

The debate format with the need for more spontaneous responses is not kind to Biden. Fortunately as President he has access to advisers. I think Biden is without doubt more honest, consistent and trustworthy. Even if he is generally slower to respond than Trump, out of the two, he is the lesser of the two evils.

I suspect a lot of people who like DJT were taken aback by the sheer quantity of lies he told. Maybe they will have another think?

Just lie after lie after lie. Absolutely no shame.

[jonu]

Yeah this whole schtick about the USA has gone to Hell in a hand basket under Biden/The Dems just doesn’t have much in the way of merit.

What we do know for certain is that DJT is an absolute piece of sh1t. A f*cking scumbag who should be in The Big House, not The White House.

If I had to pick out of the two evils I would prefer Biden because at least Biden’s wife, his mate Obama and his other minders would keep him in check.

If the USA decide to elect a convicted felon instead, well frankly they deserve everything they get. Because USA is already on the decline and a DJT presidency would only speed that process up imo.

The over arching problem is the corrupt nature of both the Democrat and Republican machines. That is how two such hopeless candidates have landed where they are. MSM media have finally given up trying to hide Biden's health issues. They capitulated en masse after the debate. You might almost call it coordinated. It certainly gives the Dems the excuse to do something drastic.

Trump's (to outsiders) unfathomable popularity is based on the fact that he is outside of the corrupt swamp. How corrupt he is personally is a mere distraction, he's not part of the machine that appears to have as its main priority to keep the US, either directly or indirectly, at war on as many fronts as possible.

Add to that the Democrats determination to weaken the US internally as much as possible eg the southern border, the tacit support for the antifa/BLM riots/ the tacit support for the defund the police calls (again antifa inspired). Of course as soon as the policing issues in the Democrat centres surfaced they couldn't get enough cops or the National guard in quick enough.

Trump is a symptom, not the cause.

[mistaTea]

The over arching problem is the corrupt nature of both the Democrat and Republican machines. That is how two such hopeless candidates have landed where they are. MSM media have finally given up trying to hide Biden's health issues. They capitulated en masse after the debate. You might almost call it coordinated. It certainly gives the Dems the excuse to do something drastic.

Trump's (to outsiders) unfathomable popularity is based on the fact that he is outside of the corrupt swamp. How corrupt he is personally is a mere distraction, he's not part of the machine that appears to have as its main priority to keep the US, either directly or indirectly, at war on as many fronts as possible.

Add to that the Democrats determination to weaken the US internally as much as possible eg the southern border, the tacit support for the antifa/BLM riots/ the tacit support for the defund the police calls (again antifa inspired). Of course as soon as the policing issues in the Democrat centres surfaced they couldn't get enough cops or the National guard in quick enough.

Trump is a symptom, not the cause.

Yes those are very good comments.

And I also hold the MSM responsible to a large extend for covering up Biden’s age-related health issues.

F*cking disgraceful actually.

[Panda-NZ-]

The over arching problem is the corrupt nature of both the Democrat and Republican machines. That is how two such hopeless candidates have landed where they are. MSM media have finally given up trying to hide Biden's health issues. They capitulated en masse after the debate. You might almost call it coordinated. It certainly gives the Dems the excuse to do something drastic.

DNC: Is Hillary available ?

Hehe. Yeah both RNC & DNC are corrupt (either that, or incompetent).

Maybe give someone like Newsom a chance, not sure how well he will do in the swing states. Tim Ryan may be safer.

[blackcap]

Yes those are very good comments.

And I also hold the MSM responsible to a large extend for covering up Biden’s age-related health issues.

F*cking disgraceful actually.

If you got a smidgen of news outside the MSM, you would have known for years that Dementia Joe is not a "republican slur" but has been reality for a while now.

[Bjauck]

Yes those are very good comments.

And I also hold the MSM responsible to a large extend for covering up Biden’s age-related health issues.

F*cking disgraceful actually.
The two-party swamp has now managed to put forward into pole position the most swampish swamp creature (Trump.) Trump is of the swamp and is for the swamp - a deeper unchartered swamp.

[jonu]

DNC: Is Hillary available ?

Hehe. Yeah both RNC & DNC are corrupt (either that, or incompetent).

Maybe give someone like Newsom a chance, not sure how well he will do in the swing states. Tim Ryan may be safer.

If H Clinton/M Obama or Newsom are the answer....what was the question? They will be mouthpieces for everything I described. Why does the US keep returning to 3 or 4 families to run for President? I thought they did away with the aristocracy? From the Kennedys to the Clintons to the Bushs, now Obamas?

[jonu]

The two-party swamp has now managed to put forward into pole position the most swampish swamp creature (Trump.) Trump is of the swamp and is for the swamp - a deeper unchartered swamp.

You describe what Trump's supporter base know he is up against. On the face of it Trump should be useful for such a swamp. He isn't, because he's not in the club. Trump scares the Sh*t out of them for that reason. The US industrial military complex (was that Truman's term?) and the Euro economic powers (not elected ones) don't know what to do with Trump. He's bad for their business.

[ynot]

The over arching problem is the corrupt nature of both the Democrat and Republican machines. That is how two such hopeless candidates have landed where they are. MSM media have finally given up trying to hide Biden's health issues. They capitulated en masse after the debate. You might almost call it coordinated. It certainly gives the Dems the excuse to do something drastic.

Trump's (to outsiders) unfathomable popularity is based on the fact that he is outside of the corrupt swamp. How corrupt he is personally is a mere distraction, he's not part of the machine that appears to have as its main priority to keep the US, either directly or indirectly, at war on as many fronts as possible.

Add to that the Democrats determination to weaken the US internally as much as possible eg the southern border, the tacit support for the antifa/BLM riots/ the tacit support for the defund the police calls (again antifa inspired). Of course as soon as the policing issues in the Democrat centres surfaced they couldn't get enough cops or the National guard in quick enough.

Trump is a symptom, not the cause.

Hard to comprehend how some defend the left blindly, irrespective of it being controlled by some of the most unscrupulous individuals on the planet.

[mistaTea]

If you got a smidgen of news outside the MSM, you would have known for years that Dementia Joe is not a "republican slur" but has been reality for a while now.

Hard to argue with that.

F*ck!

[mistaTea]

15169

Fair summary??

[mistaTea]

Hey ‘Murica… we have a great option for POTUS for ya this election…

You get to choose between the dotard and the felon!

I am sure there are brighter days ahead, but Christ Almighty things seem pretty grim right now.

[Bjauck]

If you got a smidgen of news outside the MSM, you would have known for years that Dementia Joe is not a "republican slur" but has been reality for a while now.
It is not without precedent to be left wondering over the mental capacity of a President - in the steps of Ronnie Reagan. I guess the chief of staff and advisers more or less take over.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/17/ronald-reagan-alzheimers-president-son

“"My heart sank as he floundered his way through his responses, fumbling with his notes, uncharacteristically lost for words. He looked tired and bewildered," Ron Reagan writes‘

[mistaTea]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/j49qNdUxl6