Was this the start of a US Presidential campaign

[winner69]

Bernie would make a good Presidents .......and take the Democrats back to there roots

Was last week’s little do the beginning of his 2020 campaign

https://sandersinstitutegathering.org

[macduffy]

To answer the original question with another: Do the campaigns ever stop?

;)

[BlackPeter]

Elizabeth Warren aka 'Pocahontas'


Amazing - still people around parroting the liar in chief and doing his bidding.

Why?

[blackcap]

Amazing - still people around parroting the liar in chief and doing his bidding.

Why?

Because she has been outed, even by Wapo as a fake.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-apologizes-for-calling-herself-native-american/2019/02/05/1627df76-2962-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.c9c6bd744ae4

Sen. Elizabeth Warren said Tuesday that she was sorry that she identified herself as a Native American for almost two decades, reflecting her ongoing struggle to quiet a controversy that continues to haunt her as she prepares to formally announce a presidential bid.

Her comments more fully explain the regret she expressed last week to the chief of the Cherokee Nation, the first time she’s said she was sorry for claiming American Indian heritage.

[blackcap]

Bernie would make a good Presidents .......and take the Democrats back to there roots

Was last week’s little do the beginning of his 2020 campaign

https://sandersinstitutegathering.org

Bernie has a small chance but I do not think he will get there. The Dems will do what they did to him last time.

Odds currently to be Dem primary winner are:

Harris 4
Orouke 7
Biden 7
Sanders 15
Warren 20
Klobucher 15
Gillibrand 20
Brown 15
Gabbard 23
Clinton 40

As you can see its a pretty open field and plenty of others probably going to put hat into ring.

[BlackPeter]

Because she has been outed, even by Wapo as a fake.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-apologizes-for-calling-herself-native-american/2019/02/05/1627df76-2962-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.c9c6bd744ae4

So - she appologized. For something she said which might have been misunderstood but hurt nobody.

Just remind me - when did the big bully and liar sitting in the white house appologize for any of his lies and his hate speach which does actually does hurt people? Trump is revolting and directly responsible for hate crimes and the corrosion of democratic institutions.

[BlackPeter]

Bernie has a small chance but I do not think he will get there. The Dems will do what they did to him last time.

Odds currently to be Dem primary winner are:

Harris 4
Orouke 7
Biden 7
Sanders 15
Warren 20
Klobucher 15
Gillibrand 20
Brown 15
Gabbard 23
Clinton 40

As you can see its a pretty open field and plenty of others probably going to put hat into ring.

No point in analysing at this stage the odds. The crook who is sitting currently in the white house was 22 months prior ot the elections not even in the race.

More interesting is - will the GoP go with some other candidates into the primaries? I guess while it appears Trump is owning the party ... there still must be somewhere a decent human being on the conservative side who sees the crook for what he is?

[blackcap]

No point in analysing at this stage the odds. The crook who is sitting currently in the white house was 22 months prior ot the elections not even in the race.

More interesting is - will the GoP go with some other candidates into the primaries? I guess while it appears Trump is owning the party ... there still must be somewhere a decent human being on the conservative side who sees the crook for what he is?

You might be interested in GOP primary winner.

Trump 1.50 (so not a given by any means, that is a 2 in 3 chance)
Haley 18
Pence 20
Kasich 25
Romney 50
Ryan 40
Sasse 50
Corker 50
Owens 160

Plenty on the rest.

[JBmurc]

According to the Herald she's out and started running....:eek2:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12202380

I don't see her getting much traction

[Bjauck]

The rich are getting richer in America. Asset inflation has meant that a greater percentage of equity is now concentrated in the top 1% whilst middle incomes are stagnating. Are employee share ownership plans on the agenda in the USA? Does it help explain the rise of populism and the extreme right?

How America’s 1% came to dominate equity ownershiphttps://www.ft.com/content/2501e154-4789-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

[Paddles]

At this point I don't think it matters who the Democrats nominee is.
Still there is a long way to go, and a deep recession would play into the hands of the socialists.

11013

[blackcap]

As someone on another board mentioned:

"Two really old NY Jews, who are not Democrats are the top 2 primary candidates, in a Democrat party who hates old people and Jews."

What a time to be alive!

[BlackPeter]

As someone on another board mentioned:

"Two really old NY Jews, who are not Democrats are the top 2 primary candidates, in a Democrat party who hates old people and Jews."

What a time to be alive!

What a weird comment coming from a stauch supporter of the biggest liar and crook ever dwelling in the white house ... but then projection of their attributes onto other people seems to be one of the strongest traits of Trump and many of this supporters.

I wouldn't know how a party can "hate" at all, only people can do that.

Do you mean to say that you are hating old people and Jews?

Tell us more ...

[blackcap]

What a weird comment coming from a stauch supporter of the biggest liar and crook ever dwelling in the white house ... but then projection of their attributes onto other people seems to be one of the strongest traits of Trump and many of this supporters.

I wouldn't know how a party can "hate" at all, only people can do that.

Do you mean to say that you are hating old people and Jews?

Tell us more ...

I love old people and I love Jews. In fact I have family members living in Israel. But that aside, its just ironic that the party that does not like Jews and has a thing about old white men and entitlement and privilege, well the two front runners and contenders for their top position are both very old, very white and of Jewish origin. You just can't make that kind of stuff up.

[Joshuatree]

You just have.

[whatsup]

Under the circumstances I think that the current situation is about correct for this round of the mid terms , not what everyone wanted but thems are the facts !

[BlackPeter]

Under the circumstances I think that the current situation is about correct for this round of the mid terms , not what everyone wanted but thems are the facts !

Impossible - clearly - if the results are not as people wanted, than clearly the election must have been stolen :p; Ask Donald, the Liar.

[iceman]

Impossible - clearly - if the results are not as people wanted, than clearly the election must have been stolen :p; Ask Donald, the Liar.

Hopefully this is the start of the USA moving beyond both Biden & Trump

[Blue Skies]

Hopefully this is the start of the USA moving beyond both Biden & Trump


It hardly matters if Biden achieves anything else, but lets not forget his greatest achievement & I mean this sincerely & one for which the world should be forever grateful to Biden esp at his age, was blocking Trump from a second term. (Biden was the oldest person to become President at 78 & will be 80 in less than 2 weeks time, 20th Nov ).

[fungus pudding]

It hardly matters if Biden achieves anything else, but lets not forget his greatest achievement & I mean this sincerely & one for which the world should be forever grateful to Biden esp at his age, was blocking Trump from a second term. (Biden was the oldest person to become President at 78 & will be 80 in less than 2 weeks time, 20th Nov ).

I would give more credit to Trump himself than Biden for Donald's downfall.

[iceman]

I would give more credit to Trump himself than Biden for Donald's downfall.

Correct. I think the results from the midterm election show loud and clear that most people have had enough of Trump's antics.

[Panda-NZ-]

Though republicans outperformed expectations in 2020 .

Leave a sh*tstorm in most areas.. still be competitive.

[Panda-NZ-]

Tim Ryan now that Ohio tossed him out for a trumpist loser should become the vice president.

A Biden-ryan ticket at least in 2024 will secure the presidency for democrats even if Biden dies (which is a risk today unfortunately).

[Blue Skies]

I would give more credit to Trump himself than Biden for Donald's downfall.


A thoughtful piece by CNN's political analyst Julian Zelizer, on Biden, titled "The most underestimated President in recent history".
Might modify your opinion.


In 2020 Trump not only won more votes than he did in 2016, but also expanded his base.
Since WW2 most Presidents have successfully won re-election.
But despite this, Trump was unable to stave off Biden who not only defeated a group of younger & more exciting candidates in the 2020 Democratic Primaries, but at the age of 76 became the oldest person to become President.
That's no trivial achievement.

Since loosing to Biden in 2020, & The Capital Insurrection, Trump's been the architect of his own downfall esp it appears in the mid-terms.
Whereas Rupert Murdoch's media empire (Fox News, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, The Australian, The Times) heavily backed Trump in 2020 & until the recent mid-terms, it seems he's now seen as yesterday's man & Murdoch's backing Florida's Ron DeSantis as the new leader for the Republicans.


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/10/opinions/biden-midterms-underestimated-zelizer/index.html

[jonu]

A thoughtful piece by CNN's political analyst Julian Zelizer, on Biden, titled "The most underestimated President in recent history".
Might modify your opinion.


In 2020 Trump not only won more votes than he did in 2016, but also expanded his base.
Since WW2 most Presidents have successfully won re-election.
But despite this, Trump was unable to stave off Biden who not only defeated a group of younger & more exciting candidates in the 2020 Democratic Primaries, but at the age of 76 became the oldest person to become President.
That's no trivial achievement.

Since loosing to Biden in 2020, & The Capital Insurrection, Trump's been the architect of his own downfall esp it appears in the mid-terms.
Whereas Rupert Murdoch's media empire (Fox News, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, The Australian, The Times) heavily backed Trump in 2020 & until the recent mid-terms, it seems he's now seen as yesterday's man & Murdoch's backing Florida's Ron DeSantis as the new leader for the Republicans.


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/10/opinions/biden-midterms-underestimated-zelizer/index.html

Defeating someone as polarising and loathed as Trump is hardly an accomplishment. I've said it repeatedly; the fact that the US system can come up with such terrible nominees from both sides shows something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Most likely far too much corporate influence on both sides.

[Crypto Crude]

You lot are in fairy tale lands LOL... what a laugh.... you guys, its just pip squeak chatter .... legit...
....just tell me one thing biden did good in his term?

[Balance]

Bye bye Fornicator Trump.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/this-is-the-end-of-donald-trump-midterm-elections-shows-worst-possisible-outcome-for-his-presidential-plans/7AGODHUAFZBMPIP2TLKZMBJ33E/

[Marilyn Munroe]

The difference between President's Biden & Putin is Biden's opponent is not yet in jail.

Boop boop de do
Marilyn

[blackcap]

The difference between President's Biden & Putin is Biden's opponent is not yet in jail.

Boop boop de do
Marilyn

They are certainly using all the dirty tricks in the book to make it so though.

[fungus pudding]

You lot are in fairy tale lands LOL... what a laugh.... you guys, its just pip squeak chatter .... legit...
....just tell me one thing biden did good in his term?

Beat Trump at the polls.

[blackcap]

Beat Trump at the polls.

If that is all he has accomplished, well thats quite the CV.

[Daytr]

I'm not sure I can listen to Trump for 90 minutes saying how great he is whilst making derogatory comments about everyone else.
(As I write, I realized its the same modus operandi as one of the posters on here!)

No live audience, candidates muted whilst the other is speaking. Amazing that they have to do this just because of Trumps record of rude behaviour. I remember him stalking Clinton around the stage like a predator in 2016.

Anyone know how to view it in NZ?

[Panda-NZ-]

I'm not sure I can listen to Trump for 90 minutes saying how great he is whilst making derogatory comments about everyone else.
(As I write, I realized its the same modus operandi as one of the posters on here!)

They seem attached to celebrities like a form of OCD.

Trump, Elon musk, steve jobs, obama (just to be equal). They are worshipped to the extent of saints and downsides are ignored.

This mindset is obviously a problem because it can lead to someone like Hitler in the worst case, though trump is nowhere near as methodical, charasmatic and tends to ruin everything so let's hope his team is the same.

[mistaTea]

I'm not sure I can listen to Trump for 90 minutes saying how great he is whilst making derogatory comments about everyone else.
(As I write, I realized its the same modus operandi as one of the posters on here!)

No live audience, candidates muted whilst the other is speaking. Amazing that they have to do this just because of Trumps record of rude behaviour. I remember him stalking Clinton around the stage like a predator in 2016.

Anyone know how to view it in NZ?

TV3 has it I think.

[ynot]

They seem attached to celebrities like a form of OCD.

Trump, Elon musk, steve jobs, obama (just to be equal). They are worshipped to the extent of saints and downsides are ignored.

This mindset is obviously a problem because it can lead to someone like Hitler in the worst case, though trump is nowhere near as methodical, charasmatic and tends to ruin everything so let's hope his team is the same.

This mindset is obviously a problem because it can lead to someone like Jacinda Ardern in the worst case.

[Panda-NZ-]

We can do worse than Jacinda (she got us data centres, Aussie citizenship for kiwis and trade deals).

An international diplomacy star compared to those who have "good conversations" but nothing delivered.

[Getty]

No live audience, candidates muted whilst the other is speaking. Amazing that they have to do this just because of Trumps record of rude behaviour. I remember him stalking Clinton around the stage like a predator in 2016.


Joey Biden has capitulated already.

He was the one who cancelled out the live audience, because he knew Trump plays them better and gets a very vocal level of support.

[Panda-NZ-]

Joey Biden has capitulated already.

He was the one who cancelled out the live audience, because he knew Trump plays them better and gets a very vocal level of support.

Joe doesn't have to show up you know. Neither does trump but he can't help himself, loves the attention.

[Getty]

Trump will out flank Joey.

All he has to do is to get a war veteran to appear in the wings with his golf trundler, and Joey will shuffle off the set mid debate to have a chat!

Knows his priorities does our Joey.

[Panda-NZ-]

Trump would be a war veteran if he didn't have those unfortuante bone spurs.

[Panda-NZ-]

You can watch on youtube if you want to see the spectacle of how far america has fallen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v-8wJkmwBY

[Getty]

Oh dear.
23 minutes in, and Joey having many senior moments.
A disconnect between brain and mouth.

Stand down now Joey, while you can do so with dignity.

Is it too late to bring in Jacinda?

[winner69]

Who will 'replace' Biden before the conventions

[JBmurc]

WTF USA how can these two be the leaders of the free world Dumb Vs Dumber ...like 10yr kids

Been watching a few clips of Nixon interviews where have the intellectual leaders gone they can speak more than just we are the BEST ever bah bah BS ???

NIXON Vs KENNEDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9cdRpE4KKc

CARTER Vs REGAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8YxFc_1b_0

[Panda-NZ-]

You're the worst president... no you're the worst president..

Trump: that wasn't real and didn't happen (50+ videos available of it happening).

Democratic team - biden has a cold today in the middle of summer.

[Getty]

Ah, but a delusional Joey thinks he can give Trumpet a hiding in golf, reckons he couldn't carry a golf bag.
The American public wanted to know that, and feel reassured now?

A lot of talk on war mongering by both.

Should we be afraid?

[JBmurc]

Ah, but a delusional Joey thinks he can give Trumpet a hiding in golf, and reckons he couldn't carry a golf bag.
The American public wanted to know that, and feel reassured now.

A lot of talk on war mongering by both.

Should we be afraid?

I just don't get it how these two guys the leaders of the major parties make no sense I wouldn't elect them to the president of my local Golf Club..

Yet I just watched two Geriatrics one a failing CONman Vs one that should be in a retirement 24 hour care ....need a limit on age

[jonu]

Going by the CNN commentators who across the Board agreed that Biden is not up to it, and them alluding that there were conversations happening across the Democrat base from the minute Biden walked out, it would appear that the way is being prepared for an alternative candidate. That might be Trump's undoing. Let's all hope it's someone competent and not just a mouthpiece.

[Panda-NZ-]

Yet I just watched two Geriatrics one a failing CONman Vs one that should be in a retirement 24 hour care ....need a limit on age

Biden looked at times like that photo of Rosevelt a few days before his death. :(

Surely it would have been apparent in the many debate practice sessions.

[Daytr]

One of the few times I have seen posters on here from both the left and the right agree on something, that being neither candidate is fit to be president.

Would I rather have an aged man who has small lapses over a consistent liar, definitely the former, although 4 years is a long time in an 83 year oldest future life & health span.

Can the Dems actually replace Biden?
I assume so but do they have the cahones?
The Republicans obviously don't as they are scared sh1tless of Trump.

[Panda-NZ-]

A compromise for the democrats would be to replace Kamala Harris (and you can trust the DNC to come up with half-baked solutions like this and lose).

Though you need to actually debate trump, so full replacement is probably the only option.

[Getty]

When Kamala Harris was asked to comment on Joey's performance, she was so one eyed and deflective, l don't think she even wanted to see that Trump was there!

But she did latch onto his comments on abortion.

[Balance]

Old man vs Con Man.

What an indictment on the US as a country! https://chappatte.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb/public/2023-04/L230426c-small_0.jpg?itok=m5unIYrR

[mistaTea]

I think only one thing can be said for certain after that debate.

Biden is absolutely f*cked.

[Daytr]

This is a good article on the process of replacing Biden. Effectively he would have to agree to withdraw, so it seems unlikely to me, unless perhaps someone like Obama whispers in his ear or perhaps Biden's own wife.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/can-democrats-replace-joe-biden-ballot-rcna159374

[Panda-NZ-]

Well then, Kamala comes into the picture either within the next six months or if Biden wins.

She will polarise the country as much as Trump.

[Balance]

I think only one thing can be said for certain after that debate.

Biden is absolutely f*cked.

And if he decides to continue to run, then US is also fxxked.

Will accelerate the decline of the US.

Rest of the world will continue as it did before.

[mistaTea]

And if he decides to continue to run, then US is also fxxked.

Will accelerate the decline of the US.

Rest of the world will continue as it did before.

Yeah they need to get him to stand down. That was horrible to watch.

I hope his political opponents did not take any joy from that. Watching an elderly man stumble like that in front of the world. I felt really sad watching Biden.

But Biden must not be POTUS again. He is too old and there is a lot going on in the world right now that requires a strong US President.

Kamala would not be able to win.

A yankee friend of mine has suggested Gavin Newsom. Governor of California I think… don’t know much about him but I think he has been touted as a possible replacement.

[Bjauck]

Yeah they need to get him to stand down. That was horrible to watch.

I hope his political opponents did not take any joy from that. Watching an elderly man stumble like that in front of the world. I felt really sad watching Biden.

But Biden must not be POTUS again. He is too old and there is a lot going on in the world right now that requires a strong US President.

Kamala would not be able to win.

A yankee friend of mine has suggested Gavin Newsom. Governor of California I think… don’t know much about him but I think he has been touted as a possible replacement.
I think it is sad and scary to see such a confused President up against a challenger more crooked and tricky than Nixon. Time to brush off plans for the WW3 bunkers?

If they are patriotic Americans, they should both make themselves unavailable.

[Bjauck]

Joey Biden has capitulated already.

He was the one who cancelled out the live audience, because he knew Trump plays them better and gets a very vocal level of support.
Trump is a master at wooing a crowd, entertaining them, and holding them. It doesn’t mean he is a suitable candidate for president though. Maybe he is suited for another TV show.

[Panda-NZ-]

I think it is sad and scary to see such a confused President up against a challenger more crooked and tricky than Nixon. Time to brush off plans for the WW3 bunkers?

If they are patriotic Americans, they should both make themselves unavailable.

A tactical nuke might be on the cards soon.

If putin fears a non-biden Democrat could easily beat trump then he may try to take "special action". Hopefully nothing that drastic though.
Maybe China has warned him against it.

[mistaTea]

I think it is sad and scary to see such a confused President up against a challenger more crooked and tricky than Nixon. Time to brush off plans for the WW3 bunkers?

If they are patriotic Americans, they should both make themselves unavailable.

Yes very scary for the US (and therefore the world) they these are the two options.

A convicted felon who just lies and lies and lies.

Or a senile Democrat.

I feel very worried about a whole host of issues after watching that debate.

[Balance]

Yeah they need to get him to stand down. That was horrible to watch.

I hope his political opponents did not take any joy from that. Watching an elderly man stumble like that in front of the world. I felt really sad watching Biden.

But Biden must not be POTUS again. He is too old and there is a lot going on in the world right now that requires a strong US President.

Kamala would not be able to win.

A yankee friend of mine has suggested Gavin Newsom. Governor of California I think… don’t know much about him but I think he has been touted as a possible replacement.

From what I have read, Newsom would beat Trump hands down.

But he has said he is not interested.

[Balance]

Yes very scary for the US (and therefore the world) they these are the two options.

A convicted felon who just lies and lies and lies.

Or a senile Democrat.

I feel very worried about a whole host of issues after watching that debate.

Not to worry, mT.

We will have to manage our affairs to the extent that we can, given that there are factors out there way out of our control.

As was wisely advised during covid - you cannot control the storm but you can control how you react to it.

[JBmurc]

Trump is a master at wooing a crowd, entertaining them, and holding them. It doesn’t mean he is a suitable candidate for president though. Maybe he is suited for another TV show.

In watching trump speak(dial it down mate!!) ...Biden frail out of touch

Instead of Trump boasting about how he's the best and how the USA was perfect under his leadership, I wish he could be more real and connect with people on a more honest level by toning down his attitude...

Show he has matured and can pull his head in.....but no

[mistaTea]

From what I have read, Newsom would beat Trump hands down.

But he has said he is not interested.

Let’s watch this space.

After watching that debate he might decide to go for it (and be strongly encouraged/begged by his peers) to save the Dems and keep Trump well away from the White House.

That debate was a horror show.

[Panda-NZ-]

In watching trump speak(dial it down mate!!) ...Biden frail out of touch

Instead of Trump boasting about how he's the best and how the USA was perfect under his leadership, I wish he could be more real and connect with people on a more honest level by toning down his attitude...

Show he has matured and can pull his head in.....but no

It was a disaster before I came in... it was perfect with me in charge and everything was beautiful... now it's a disaster.

[JBmurc]

Not to worry, mT.

We will have to manage our affairs to the extent that we can, given that there are factors out there way out of our control.

As was wisely advised during covid - you cannot control the storm but you can control how you react to it.

I wouldn't stress much in Biden's case it's well known he is only the frontman all the real moves come from Obamas lackys

[Daytr]

In watching trump speak(dial it down mate!!) ...Biden frail out of touch

Instead of Trump boasting about how he's the best and how the USA was perfect under his leadership, I wish he could be more real and connect with people on a more honest level by toning down his attitude...

Show he has matured and can pull his head in.....but no

At 78 he will mature.
Common JB you ask too much.
The guy doesn't have an ethical bone in his body.

Ironically in 2016 the Dems had a very competent candidate in Hillary. But America and some on here aren't ready for a strong articulate woman.

Hillary won the popular vote, despite the desperate email scandal that miraculously & anonymously landed in the FBI's lap just weeks before the election.
Trump only became president due to the archaic electoral college system.

[Balance]

I wouldn't stress much in Biden's case it's well known he is only the frontman all the real moves come from Obamas lackys

May be so but it’s the average American voters who decide who gets into the White House.

I actually think Trump would give the US one last hurrah before that country blows itself up.

A new world order is overdue.

[Panda-NZ-]

A new world order is overdue.

The alternatives are worse than America.

Russia needs regime change, and to join europe rather than murdering their own brothers to ally with Asian countries half a world away because they have a "KGB-approved" govt and believe in state media rubbish.

[jonu]

Let’s watch this space.

After watching that debate he might decide to go for it (and be strongly encouraged/begged by his peers) to save the Dems and keep Trump well away from the White House.

That debate was a horror show.

California has gone to hell under Newsom. He's a vacuous mouth piece type in the mould of Trudeau and Ardern. The tide is going out on these types worldwide, so while Newsom might present better than Biden, people have seen California and the hell-hole it's city centres have become, from LA to San Diego to San Francisco.

[Baa_Baa]

May be so but it’s the average American voters who decide who gets into the White House.

Not strictly true, the popular vote doesn't elect the President, the Electoral College elects the President and there are precedents where the Electoral College essentially overrode the popular vote. That's what happened in 2016, and had happened only three times previously in US political history.

[Panda-NZ-]

California has gone to hell under Newsom. He's a vacuous mouth piece type in the mould of Trudeau and Ardern. The tide is going out on these types worldwide, so while Newsom might present better than Biden, people have seen California and the hell-hole it's city centres have become, from LA to San Diego to San Francisco.

It's expensive sure. But Newsom doesn't control federal drug policies, migration or social services so naturally you get homeless drug addicts everywhere which seems to be more of an American problem rather than something that applies in other countries.

In a free market you can't build a wall to keep them out either unless it's a prison (the red state solution).