Was this the start of a US Presidential campaign

[Baa_Baa]

The lying Fornicator after the bravado - can’t even handle a little nick on his ear?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/media/images/9Tzi8ywRz924XE3uHaD6DZ3Ef+IdbOiYlvIROR5vlqUeRrexTo cZGobKRJ9od%2Fgnk3B%2FCeKTmTAsIjj6Q0YaYaNNBHyB4AYW j9PdBzFgAGqzkd9WMPC7nC6%2FXSX%2FGAWfnEZYbXX73ohmc5 9yqDmaTC5eFMmxV19fXo8Jfl+rhfoV93eR%2FYuUwITIZ%2FRM 1G55nrG5gprX5Tn4PdnbU%2F0mGQ==?resolution=620x350

There's another photo circulating on X.com of a bullet hole in his suit jacket, right side about mid torso. It may be a doctored image who knows, but if it's real it would suggest he had a bullet proof vest on. Even then, an AR-15 bullet to the chest/vest would take the wind out.

[Balance]

There's another photo circulating on X.com of a bullet hole in his suit jacket, right side about mid torso. It may be a doctored image who knows, but if it's real it would suggest he had a bullet proof vest on. Even then, an AR-15 bullet to the chest/vest would take the wind out.

Fake news.

Zero mention of any second shot on his Fornicating body.

Trump is all showmanship, BS and bravado.

[Baa_Baa]

Fake news.

Zero mention of any second shot on his Fornicating body.

Trump is all showmanship, BS and bravado.

Yes probably, but neither the Secret Service nor Trumps party have confirmed or denied how many shots he took.

[Balance]

Yes probably, but neither the Secret Service nor Trumps party have confirmed or denied how many shots he took.

If there was a second shot on that Fornicating body, can be sure that he and the Republicans would have played it up like he rose from the dead.

A lot of myth making going on out there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/18/trump-rally-shooter-phone-searches-biden-depression/

Latest infor from FBI is that the shooter was casing out Biden and the British Royal Family as well, according to data on his mobile. Seems like Trump simply provided the best and easiest opportunity for him to attain notoriety. Poor deluded & deranged soul.

I personally am intrigued why there is such a fuss made about why there is the attempt on Trump. That is the USA! School shootings happen regularly.

What is shocking however of course is that the shooter was able to get so close to him.

[kiwikeith]

What is shocking however of course is that the shooter was able to get so close to him.

The secret service really dropped the ball. The shooter had been noticed long before he fired. There were multiple mistakes made. So many in fact, that I am surprised the conspiratory theorists are not suggesting Crooks was a stooge of a security services backed plan to terminate Trump.

But what a name - Crooks? Not since Madoff (who made off with the money) has there been such an aptly named criminal.

[Balance]

The secret service really dropped the ball. The shooter had been noticed long before he fired. There were multiple mistakes made. So many in fact, that I am surprised the conspiratory theorists are not suggesting Crooks was a stooge of a security services backed plan to terminate Trump.

But what a name - Crooks? Not since Madoff (who made off with the money) has there been such an aptly named criminal.

Crooks is more of a mental case rather than a criminal? A mental case who had access to that great American right of an assault weapon.

This is the ‘frightening’ enemy and face of the shooter that Trump wanted his followers to fight! How pathetic.

https://gdb.voanews.com/01000000-0aff-0242-351a-08dca434642a_cx0_cy11_cw0_w408_r1_s.jpg

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The secret service really dropped the ball. The shooter had been noticed long before he fired. There were multiple mistakes made. So many in fact, that I am surprised the conspiratory theorists are not suggesting Crooks was a stooge of a security services backed plan to terminate Trump.

But what a name - Crooks? Not since Madoff (who made off with the money) has there been such an aptly named criminal.

If it was it would be more professional and anyone in certain states can get themselves a gun. The bar is so low.

Even mental cases, criminals & terrorists.

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As in the lyrics of Elton John's tribute song to John Lennon, who died due to a madman,
"One insect can damage so much grain".

I intentionally left out the "It's funny how" lead in as although EJ meant funny as in odd, some may think it means funny ha ha.

[kiwikeith]

Crooks is more of a mental case rather than a criminal?

https://gdb.voanews.com/01000000-0aff-0242-351a-08dca434642a_cx0_cy11_cw0_w408_r1_s.jpg

A criminal is someone who commits a crime. You can be found not guilty due to insanity. In my view all serial killers, for example, are nutters but criminals nevertheless.

A mental case has still committed a crime - but for him to be found not guilty due to insanity, it must be proven by the defense (not disproven by the prosecution) that the defendant did not know that what he was doing was wrong, or if he did, he had uncontrollable impulses. (or he is not mentally fit to stand trial at the time of the trial) In the US only 25% defences of not guilty pleas due to insanity are successful. So had Crooks lived, it is debatable whether he could have successfully pleaded not guilty due to insanity.

[Balance]

‘I had God on my side!’

Guess his god was on his side when Trump was Fornicating and lying?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/hulk-hogan-to-warm-up-crowd-for-trumps-first-speech-since-assassination-attempt/LNYWSQL6R5CPPA6R3OIVNP4GXI/

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‘I had God on my side!’

Guess his god was on his side when Trump was Fornicating and lying?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/hulk-hogan-to-warm-up-crowd-for-trumps-first-speech-since-assassination-attempt/LNYWSQL6R5CPPA6R3OIVNP4GXI/

He made Joe biden president too, bless.

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Whilst on the subject of tribute songs, I'm sure Balance would like to dedicate one to Don Trump.

From the Red Hot Chilli Peppers;
'CALIFORNICATION'

[Balance]

Whilst on the subject of tribute songs, I'm sure Balance would like to dedicate one to Don Trump.

From the Red Hot Chilli Peppers;
'CALIFORNICATION'

Haha … good one.

So was Trump’s god there by his side when he was fornicating Stormy?

[Balance]

Hope the Taiwanese know what’s ahead for them if the Fornicator (who gifted the Kurds to their enemies to be slaughtered) wins.

Taiwan obviously expected to spend even more billions of dollars to buy American weapons of war, even though they are useless against the blockade already planned by China.

https://fortune.com/2024/07/18/donald-trump-taiwan-china-semiconductors-nvidia-tesla-microsoft/

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Haha … good one.

So was Trump’s god there by his side when he was fornicating Stormy?

If money is his god, he has plenty to worship.

As for Stormy, she was on a bob a job.

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How has this "America, a country split" line of BS been able to be pushed by the media?

If America is split, then so is every democratic country in the world, including NZ.

If people are passionate about their politics, so be it!

[Balance]

How has this "America, a country split" line of BS been able to be pushed by the media?

If America is split, then so is every democratic country in the world, including NZ.

If people are passionate about their politics, so be it!

Just have a look at the recent UK elections.

Compare and contrast the aftermath with what’s happening in US.

[Baa_Baa]

Social Media is full of references today (claiming to have inside señor Democrat sources) to Biden pulling out of the election race this weekend, based on advice from other powerful Democrats, Pelosi, Obama etc, but not standing down as President. It is reported that he will praise Kamala but not endorse her for the Democrat candidate running (like how could he after he has slagged her publicly). So if any of this is true, that brings into question who the Democrat running candidate will be.

At this stage it looks inevitable for a second Trump Presidency, the assassination attempt survival is a massive gift to their Republican campaign, he is locked in as the running candidate. Look how the 'messaging' is swiftly changing to 'governing all people of America'. Rah rah, fist pump.

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If having the International Brotherhood of Teamsters on board the Republicans convention wasn't enough, now Hulk Hogan has joined in with a disrobe!
He has plenty of followers to draw in on his coat tails.

The 'Publicans wouldn't have a bar of division, they are about unity.

China China China!

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Social Media is full of references today (claiming to have inside señor Democrat sources) to Biden pulling out of the election race this weekend, based on advice from other powerful Democrats, Pelosi, Obama etc, but not standing down as President. It is reported that he will praise Kamala but not endorse her for the Democrat candidate running (like how could he after he has slagged her publicly). So if any of this is true, that brings into question who the Democrat running candidate will be.
.

No worries, they will drag in a Jacinda from somewhere...

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At this stage it looks inevitable for a second Trump Presidency, the assassination attempt survival is a massive gift to their Republican campaign, he is locked in as the running candidate. Look how the 'messaging' is swiftly changing to 'governing all people of America'. Rah rah, fist pump.

Yep dems need a circuit breaker and to go on a high-energy offensive. I doubt the DNC is capable.

Kamala harris ripping into JD vance's "poor me" backstory is smart but her inexperience with campaigns and media events shows.

[Baa_Baa]

No worries, they will drag in a Jacinda from somewhere...

This one? https://x.com/karenpatriot76/status/1802965493248090192 Maybe just got a bit of perfume up her nose?https://x.com/karen patriot76/status/1802965493248090192

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This one? https://x.com/karenpatriot76/status/1802965493248090192 Maybe just got a bit of perfume up her nose?

She's either on the cocaine, or got Pinocchioitis.

[blackcap]

She's either on the cocaine, or got Pinocchioitis.

Lets be fair to her, she did say she had a "sweat moustache"....

[Daytr]

How has this "America, a country split" line of BS been able to be pushed by the media?

If America is split, then so is every democratic country in the world, including NZ.

If people are passionate about their politics, so be it!

It's not the media it's the partisan behaviour of the two parties, particularly the Republicans who in the past have shut down the Government over the debt ceiling, however when they are in power spend more.

Add Trump into the mix with his aggressive, ugly and threatening rhetoric. Unfortunately Winston Peters has started to take a leaf out of Trump's book and used it here. Not something we as a country should aspire to.

[ynot]

It's not the media it's the partisan behaviour of the two parties, particularly the Republicans who in the past have shut down the Government over the debt ceiling, however when they are in power spend more.

Add Trump into the mix with his aggressive, ugly and threatening rhetoric. Unfortunately Winston Peters has started to take a leaf out of Trump's book and used it here. Not something we as a country should aspire to.

And what do you suggest, we revert to the disheveled remains of Jacindas Screw up.

[jonu]

It's funny that in all the new found realisation that Biden is not mentally competent to stand again for President, months ago, an DOJ investigator found that Biden was not competent to stand trial on his classified document charges. That was awkward, but convenient at the time, but how on earth did he manage to continue in his Presidency and secure the Democrat nomination, when he was assessed unfit to stand trial?

So what will Democrats do? If Biden is not fit to stand again, he should resign his Presidency immediately. That would usher in Harris, something that scares the Democrats as much as it does the rest of the US.

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It's funny that in all the new
found realisation that Biden is not mentally competent to stand again for President, months ago, an DOJ investigator found that Biden was not competent to stand trial on his classified document charges. That was awkward, but convenient at the time, but how on earth did he manage to continue in his Presidency and secure the Democrat nomination, when he was assessed unfit to stand trial?


Very pertinent question.

[Bjauck]

It's funny that in all the new found realisation that Biden is not mentally competent to stand again for President, months ago, an DOJ investigator found that Biden was not competent to stand trial on his classified document charges. That was awkward, but convenient at the time, but how on earth did he manage to continue in his Presidency and secure the Democrat nomination, when he was assessed unfit to stand trial?

So what will Democrats do? If Biden is not fit to stand again, he should resign his Presidency immediately. That would usher in Harris, something that scares the Democrats as much as it does the rest of the US.Old men with poor memories would rule out many of the Presidential candidates over the years. However poor memories and seniority are not disqualifications for the presidency. Memory lapses and cognition issues can get worse over time too. Nothing sinister about that. What about corruption and criminality?

Poor old Trump’s memory has failed as frequently if not more frequently than Biden’s. Seemingly when recall was of great importance too. Was it an old man’s memory issues or something more sinister?
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/18/mueller-trump-cant-remember-1282643

Trump's memory 'very foggy,' says author who interviewed him post-presidencyhttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trumps-memory-foggy-says-author-ramin-setoodeh-rcna158219

[jonu]

Old men with poor memories would rule out many of the Presidential candidates over the years. However poor memories and seniority are not disqualifications for the presidency. Memory lapses and cognition issues can get worse over time too. Nothing sinister about that. What about corruption and criminality?

Poor old Trump’s memory has failed as frequently if not more frequently than Biden’s. Seemingly when recall was of great importance too. Was it an old man’s memory issues or something more sinister?
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/18/mueller-trump-cant-remember-1282643

Trump's memory 'very foggy,' says author who interviewed him post-presidencyhttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trumps-memory-foggy-says-author-ramin-setoodeh-rcna158219

Spit the sand out of your mouth as you pull your head out of it BJauck. Biden was ruled not fit to stand Trial! It's not a bipartisan thing! If you're not fit to stand trial, what are you doing being the President of the US? How do you secure the nomination for the party?

[Balance]

Spit the sand out of your mouth as you pull your head out of it BJauck. Biden was ruled not fit to stand Trial! It's not a bipartisan thing! If you're not fit to stand trial, what are you doing being the President of the US? How do you secure the nomination for the party?

Old man vs con man.

Take your pick.

[Bjauck]

Spit the sand out of your mouth as you pull your head out of it BJauck. Biden was ruled not fit to stand Trial! It's not a bipartisan thing! If you're not fit to stand trial, what are you doing being the President of the US? How do you secure the nomination for the party? Right back at you. How on this Earth did Trump too secure the nomination of the Republican Party?

“Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview with him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.” That was what the special counsel said back in February.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/-nightmare-special-counsels-assessment-bidens-mental-fitness-triggers-rcna137975

I wonder if Trump could be described as sympathetic or well-meaning.

It is not a great choice for the American people, An old man with poor memory or an old man with (selectively?) poor memory and a criminal conviction.

[Muse]

Time to go Joe.

Dems should get someone like Mark Kelly (Navy Pilot, Astronaut, Senator) or Governor Josh Shapiro. Probably better choices out there but time is of the essence and that choice ought to be youngish, fresh, and electable - otherwise what's the point. Agree Biden is not fit to run again but still reckon an old man in the chair surrounded by good advisers is better than that sociopath and his band of misfits. Kamala tied too closely at the hip to Biden and not a particularly strong candidate. Fingers crossed but if I was a betting man it would sadly be on Trump.

[Balance]

Time to go Joe.

Dems should get someone like Mark Kelly (Navy Pilot, Astronaut, Senator) or Governor Josh Shapiro. Probably better choices out there but time is of the essence and that choice ought to be youngish, fresh, and electable - otherwise what's the point. Agree Biden is not fit to run again but still reckon an old man in the chair surrounded by good advisers is better than that sociopath and his band of misfits. Kamala tied too closely at the hip to Biden and not a particularly strong candidate. Fingers crossed but if I was a betting man it would sadly be on Trump.

Based upon the betting odds out there, Trump is indeed a shoo in hot favourite - paying as little as 55c vs Harris at $4.50. Forget about Biden - one way or the other, he is gone burger.

[jonu]

Old man vs con man.

Take your pick.

Ain't my pick.

[ynot]

surrounded by good advisers

Is that a fact.

[Daytr]

It's funny that in all the new found realisation that Biden is not mentally competent to stand again for President, months ago, an DOJ investigator found that Biden was not competent to stand trial on his classified document charges. That was awkward, but convenient at the time, but how on earth did he manage to continue in his Presidency and secure the Democrat nomination, when he was assessed unfit to stand trial?

So what will Democrats do? If Biden is not fit to stand again, he should resign his Presidency immediately. That would usher in Harris, something that scares the Democrats as much as it does the rest of the US.

No that is untrue. But you aren't known for facts.


Very pertinent question.

No it's not.


Spit the sand out of your mouth as you pull your head out of it BJauck. Biden was ruled not fit to stand Trial! It's not a bipartisan thing! If you're not fit to stand trial, what are you doing being the President of the US? How do you secure the nomination for the party?

If you are going to get angry when you respond to someone at least have your facts right.

Charges weren't brought against Biden by the prosecutor. That is very different from saying someone wasn't fit for trial, as that would be a judges decision if charges had been laid.

High horse, dismount.

The irony that a bunch of shareholders are chasing you down a massive hole in the ground isn't lost on me.

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Revelations that Gunman Crooks own father dobbed him in, as a risk, to authorities a week prior to Trumps rally.
Followed by the security breaches and lack of care and attention from the SS and Police.

Donald Trump could well have grounds to sue, nailing a whole new batch of Crooks and felons.

So too could the family of the deceased, and the two critically injured.

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Some supporters at Republican events are sporting ear patches in solidarity of Don Trump.

No doubt Biden supporters will start wearing eye patches, as evidence they too can't see the obvious!

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If the significance of Sean Obrien, General President of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, addressing the Republicans Convention is lost on anyone, imagine Jim Knox, the President of the Federation of Labour, attending and addressing a NZ National Party conference.

It would never have happened.

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Only the Westland Maltsters, Brewers, Bottlers, Bottle washers and Aerated Water Employees Industrial Union of Workers could Trump the title.

Imagine introducing yourself as their President.
Everyone would be asleep by the time you got to Work!

And where were they from?

New Zealand.

They were not known for taking short cuts...

But very inclusive.

[Balance]

If the significance of Sean Obrien, General President of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, addressing the Republicans Convention is lost on anyone, imagine Jim Knox, the President of the Federation of Labour, attending and addressing a NZ National Party conference.

It would never have happened.

Old man vs con man.

Good con!

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Joey needs to attend one of Trumps Casinos, so he can learn when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em.

[Balance]

Joey needs to attend one of Trumps Casinos, so he can learn when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em.

Sleepy Joe beat the Fornicator in 2020.

[Balance]

Trump proclaimed in today’s rally that he took the bullet to protect democracy.

So what was he protecting when he was taking Stormy Daniels?

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The Democrat supporters were holding 'em in 2020, but what will 2024 deal?

A lot of Yanks admire a bloke who shares his sausage.

I'm predicting the 'Publicans will be hosting the parties on election night.

[Balance]

The Democrat supporters were holding 'em in 2020, but what will 2024 deal?

A lot of Yanks admire a bloke who shares his sausage.

I'm predicting the 'Publicans will be hosting the parties on election night.

Yup - says everything about yanks when the sausage owner also preaches from the Ten Commandments? And sells the Bible!

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Absolution is the solution.

The election is Old Timer versus Alzheimer.

[dobby41]

Old man vs con man.

Take your pick.

Sad in itself.

[dobby41]

Trump proclaimed in today’s rally that he took the bullet to protect democracy.

He also said that God saved him.

[Bjauck]

Revelations that Gunman Crooks own father dobbed him in, as a risk, to authorities a week prior to Trumps rally.
Followed by the security breaches and lack of care and attention from the SS and Police.

Donald Trump could well have grounds to sue, nailing a whole new batch of Crooks and felons.

So too could the family of the deceased, and the two critically injured. Who are the crooks and felons that you think Trump would nail?

With America’s lax gun laws and the hatred fostered by MAGAs, The US Federal budget will need to boost expenditure on security, police, the FBI and CIA. If Trump grabs the Oval Office it will come at the expense of social care.

If the killer’s father was concerned about him a week before the shootings, why did the father not make sure that the killer did not have access to the many guns that were at the family home. It was one of the father’s guns that was used.

[Bjauck]

Absolution is the solution.

The election is Old Timer versus Alzheimer. Are You are a doctor and have you examined Trump or Biden to be able to give the diagnosis of Alzheimer’s?

Donald Trump, Joe Biden and dementia: Why not to diagnose from a distance

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/blog/donald-trump-joe-biden-dementia

[Balance]

He also said that God saved him.

Same god of his who was with him when he was fornicating Stormy Daniels?

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Who are the crooks and felons that you think Trump would nail?

If the killer’s father was concerned about him a week before the shootings, why did the father not make sure that the killer did not have access to the many guns that were at the family home. It was one of the father’s guns that was used.

So father will be included in the lawsuit?

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Same god of his who was with him when he was fornicating Stormy Daniels?

Trump may have used protection when he was with the weathered one, but he didn't get much protection at the shooting which nearly killed him, and nor should the other 3 direct victims be forgotten.

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Are You are a doctor and have you examined Trump or Biden to be able to give the diagnosis of Alzheimer’s?

Donald Trump, Joe Biden and dementia: Why not to diagnose from a distance

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/blog/donald-trump-joe-biden-dementia

Bidens exact diagnosis has become immaterial.
The American voters see what they see, and will form their own opinions.

How about you Nurse?

[Daytr]

It would be interesting to know if the Trump supporters on here would brave or stupid enough to admit their support publicly.
Or is it a dark little secret.

[Balance]

Trump may have used protection when he was with the weathered one, but he didn't get much protection at the shooting which nearly killed him, and nor should the other 3 direct victims be forgotten.

His god was obviously protecting him against STD too when he was storming Daniels’ fortress? Or is it the other way round?

He obviously could not care a hoot about catching or passing on diseases to anyone, especially Melania.

https://people.com/stormy-daniels-testifies-donald-trump-did-not-wear-condom-criminal-trial-8644656

Asked by prosecutor Susan Hoffinger if Trump was wearing a condom during the incident, Daniels replied, “No.”

When asked if the lack of protection concerned her, Daniels answered, “Yes,” but added that she did not say anything about it to Trump himself in the moment.

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At least we know Mr Biden has his Joey at all times...

[iceman]

It would be interesting to know if the Trump supporters on here would brave or stupid enough to admit their support publicly.
Or is it a dark little secret.

It is just plain sad to see upcoming US Presidential elections with 2 unelectable candidates.

[Bjauck]

Bidens exact diagnosis has become immaterial.
The American voters see what they see, and will form their own opinions.

How about you Nurse\?LOL. Those who repeat spurious faux diagnoses are of course hoping it becomes immaterial, disregarding the effect that it has on those who actually do have the condition. It is rather like the relationship Trump has with the truth.

If you care to, read the previously linked item from the UK Alzheimer's Society.

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I do wonder what happens when Joey ascends the stairs in his own way, then the door slams on Airforce One.
Does he flake out on a sofa?
Smack the backside of a Steward/ess a la Trump?
Be urgently attended with meds?
Flop into an on-board spa pool?
Or just buckle into a window seat, and enjoy the flight?

[fungus pudding]

I do wonder what happens when Joey ascends the stairs in his own way, then the door slams on Airforce One.
Does he flake out on a sofa?
Smack the backside of a Steward/ess a la Trump?
Be urgently attended with meds?
Flop into an on-board spa pool?
Or just buckle into a window seat, and enjoy the flight?

I have it on good authority all the water spilt from the spa during a burst of turbulence. Joe got drenched which bought him back to life, but with no guarantee that the reincarnation will last for long.

[ynot]

Bidens exact diagnosis has become immaterial.
The American voters see what they see, and will form their own opinions.


Definitely immaterial where Biden's health is now at.
What is relevant is that the American voter is being presented with the obvious resistance the establishment has against a Trump victory, which by the way, is now a certainty.
Look no further than the appalling response of the secret service at the shooting. America is waking up.

[jonu]

I have it on good authority all the water spilt from the spa during a burst of turbulence. Joe got drenched which bought him back to life, but with no guarantee that the reincarnation will last for long.

Hmmm, methinks you are spreading a cover story for incontinence fp. I heard his waters broke during a burst of flatulence

[Baa_Baa]

Definitely immaterial where Biden's health is now at.
What is relevant is that the American voter is being presented with the obvious resistance the establishment has against a Trump victory, which by the way, is now a certainty.
Look no further than the appalling response of the secret service at the shooting. America is waking up.

If Trump can "unite America" like he was preaching yesterday and everyone seemed to like, but already today he's gone off-piste again. Bewildering where this seems to be heading.

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I have it on good authority all the water spilt from the spa during a burst of
turbulence. Joe got drenched which bought him back to life, but with no guarantee that the reincarnation will last for long.

I heard there are two doors towards the back, one labeled Biden, the other Bidet.

Joe often gets confused, and goes inside the wrong one to wash his face and clean his teeth.

What would Zelensky Putin say?

[ynot]

If Trump can "unite America" like he was preaching yesterday and everyone seemed to like, but already today he's gone off-piste again. Bewildering where this seems to be heading.

America needs a damned site more than uniting but it would be a start. Lefty woke-ism is a global infection that makes covid look like tiddlywinks.

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The Democrats better bring out their Jacinda soon.

Otherwise they will be Left with Little...

[Daytr]

Well he's gone now so you can stop your childish jibes. Seriously, do you think your funny?

Trump won't unite its not in his nature. His message on Biden's withdrawal just confirms what an ugly personality Trump is.

I expect the misogyny levels to rise against Harris now, after all even posters on this thread aren't immune.

If confirmed as the candidate, Harris has a sharp wit and she may surprise a few.

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What is funny, is how the chip on your left shoulder affects your enjoyment of life.

Are you disappointed Kamala is not LGBTQ?

Courtesy of Boy George, here is something that may cheer you up.

Karma karma karma karma Kamalian,
You come and go, You come and go,
Loving would be easy if your colours were like my dream,
Red Gold and Green...

[Daytr]

It is just plain sad to see upcoming US Presidential elections with 2 unelectable candidates.

Indeed, but that may now have changed.
Let's see who the Democrats confirm at their conference.

Time is against whoever it is and it will be interesting to see if Trump reneges on the 2nd scheduled debate.

[Bjauck]

Well he's gone now so you can stop your childish jibes. Seriously, do you think your funny?

Trump won't unite its not in his nature. His message on Biden's withdrawal just confirms what an ugly personality Trump is.

I expect the misogyny levels to rise against Harris now, after all even posters on this thread aren't immune.

If confirmed as the candidate, Harris has a sharp wit and she may surprise a few. The appeal of the Trump cult is from his ability to divide and denigrate. The flippant remarks on dementia and incontinence are in keeping with that. Expect no better. The misogynist right will have a similar reaction to Harris, an intelligent and successful woman, as they had to Ardern.

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When he's finished licking his wounds, Joey will realise he has belatedly done the right thing by himself.

Most, including myself wish him a happy retirement.

[blackcap]

When he's finished licking his wounds, Joey will realise he has belatedly done the right thing by himself.

Most, including myself wish him a happy retirement.

The giggler in chief.... potentially

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNHCCM-OzeM

[jonu]

The appeal of the Trump cult is from his ability to divide and denigrate. The flippant remarks on dementia and incontinence are in keeping with that. Expect no better. The misogynist right will have a similar reaction to Harris, an intelligent and successful woman, as they had to Ardern.

Oh bollocks BJauck. Lighten up. Jokes about dementia and incontinence are thumbing your nose against aging. There's no avoiding it. I hear oldies doing it all the time. And the oft repeated trope that any criticism against Ardern or Harris is because they're women is ridiculous. It's because they are useless.

[blackcap]

. And the oft repeated trope that any criticism against Ardern or Harris is because they're women is ridiculous. It's because they are useless.

Exactly, the criticism is because they are useless, not because they are woman. Plenty of dudes get criticism as well. Not because of misandry, because they are useless. Jacinda was a useless b*itch. John Key was a useless A Hole. There, both genders critcised. Not bugger off with this misogyny nonsense Bjauck et al.

[ynot]

The appeal of the Trump cult is from his ability to divide and denigrate. The flippant remarks on dementia and incontinence are in keeping with that. Expect no better. The misogynist right will have a similar reaction to Harris, an intelligent and successful woman, as they had to Ardern.

Nothing to do with misogyny. An incompetent individual be they male or female is just that. Case in point, Ardern, Harris & Biden. 2 of which are now fortunately on the scrap heap.

[Balance]

When he's finished licking his wounds, Joey will realise he has belatedly done the right thing by himself.

Most, including myself wish him a happy retirement.

No wounds to lick - Biden defeated Trump and that is & will always be a historical fact.

The more that the Fornicator Trump put down Biden, the more outstanding Biden’s win & achievement in 2020 was.

Regrets Biden may have a few but really too few to mention.

A life marred by tragedies, he recovered each time and went on to become POTUS.

Take a bow, Biden - people who appreciate and admire principles and decency salute you. History will judge him kindly and will acknowledge he is a decent, honourable and a far better man & politician than Trump will ever be.

[Daytr]

Exactly, the criticism is because they are useless, not because they are woman. Plenty of dudes get criticism as well. Not because of misandry, because they are useless. Jacinda was a useless b*itch. John Key was a useless A Hole. There, both genders critcised. Not bugger off with this misogyny nonsense Bjauck et al.

And yet you accused Harris of sleeping her way to the top...
Your lack of self awareness is quite astounding.

[Daytr]

Nothing to do with misogyny. An incompetent individual be they male or female is just that. Case in point, Ardern, Harris & Biden. 2 of which are now fortunately on the scrap heap.

So anyone on the left....
Trump displayed his competency during the pandemic. Inject them with disinfectant...
His lack of & delayed action on the pandemic cost thousands of lives.

He tried to overturn the democratic outcome of the 2020 election. He didn't win the popular vote in 2016 and without the interference re Clinton's emails, would never have been President.

[Balance]

It is just plain sad to see upcoming US Presidential elections with 2 unelectable candidates.

Old man vs con man.

Well, the old man is gone.

The choice is now more stark & simpler for America.

[Bjauck]

Oh bollocks BJauck. Lighten up. Jokes about dementia and incontinence are thumbing your nose against aging. There's no avoiding it. I hear oldies doing it all the time. And the oft repeated trope that any criticism against Ardern or Harris is because they're women is ridiculous. It's because they are useless.
Sure Jonu. The comments are just jokes, so no offence, and the misogyny is non-existent, so no offence. A Tui ad in the making.

[Balance]

Sure Jonu. The comments are just jokes, so no offence, and the misogyny is non-existent, so no offence. A Tui ad in the making.

Agree 100% with jonu that Ardern was the most useless and clueless PM New Zealand ever had the misfortune of having. Some of us saw through that *itch from year 1 but unfortunately, it took the majority another 3 years after that to realise just how hopeless but manipulative she was (and still is).

Be kind.

Most transparent government ever.

Bloody joke she was and NZ is the one paying the price of her sick joke.

[Daytr]

Agree 100% with jonu that Ardern was the most useless and clueless PM New Zealand ever had the misfortune of having. Some of us saw through that *itch from year 1 but unfortunately, it took the majority another 3 years after that to realise just how hopeless but manipulative she was (and still is).

Be kind.

Most transparent government ever.

Bloody joke she was and NZ is the one paying the price of her sick joke.

Writing off Ardern's leadership through the pandemic and other disasters is just plain ignorant.
Yes, she failed in other areas, no doubt but she won the first outright majority election result since the start of MMP for a reason.
Imagine if Simon or Judith had been in charge, it would have been an absolute disaster.
Credit and debit where its due.

[ynot]

Writing off Ardern's leadership through the pandemic and other disasters is just plain ignorant.
Yes, she failed in other areas, no doubt but she won the first outright majority election result since the start of MMP for a reason.
Imagine if Simon or Judith had been in charge, it would have been an absolute disaster.
Credit and debit where its due.

It was an absolute disaster under Ardern. We will suffer the effects of her reign for years to come. Wasteful spending, social mismanagement. clueless !

[Daytr]

Interesting take from Aaron Sorkin, anyone but Trump.

The West Wing creator Aaron Sorkin pens essay telling Democrats to nominate Mitt Romney for president (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-west-wing-creator-aaron-sorkin-pens-essay-telling-democrats-to-nominate-mitt-romney-for-president/ar-BB1qmGIe?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=fef7471d8f3544b19cfb04764509f124&ei=18)

How many of you Republican fans would rather see Mitt Romney in the White House than Trump?

[Balance]

No wounds to lick - Biden defeated Trump and that is & will always be a historical fact.

The more that the Fornicator Trump put down Biden, the more outstanding Biden’s win & achievement in 2020 was.

Regrets Biden may have a few but really too few to mention.

A life marred by tragedies, he recovered each time and went on to become POTUS.

Take a bow, Biden - people who appreciate and admire principles and decency salute you. History will judge him kindly and will acknowledge he is a decent, honourable and a far better man & politician than Trump will ever be.

A good perspective below on Biden & why he kept running when he should have dropped out much earlier.

And Biden will always have the ultimate deep satisfaction of being the MAN (called all manner of derogatory names by Trump) to kick the fornicating Trump out of office. Something that Trump will never ever live down for all of his BS bravado.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/us-election-could-be-yet-another-tragedy-for-joe-biden-shane-te-pou/JALJLDJZIJDOLJAXUDZJU2SG3M/
Paywalled

Joe Biden’s life has been mired in tragedy. He lost his wife and daughter in a car accident soon after his election to the US Senate in 1972.

Drawing deeply on his faith and with the support of a close-knit Irish Catholic family and before meeting future wife Jill, he set about raising his two surviving sons, Hunter and Beau, commuting back and forth on trains from their home in Wilmington, Delaware to his Senate office in DC.

For most, if not the entire duration, of a long and consequential career in that body, in lists of Senators by net worth, Biden was reliably the poorest. He also battled to overcome a speech impediment that, along with a lack of Ivy League pedigree and his proneness to verbal flubs, made Biden easy to underestimate, even disparage.

This was, Biden intuitively grasped, a strength masquerading as weakness. Setbacks, adversity, the howls of elites who think they know better: Biden hasn’t just overcome these before, he has made them his rocket fuel.

[Panda-NZ-]

The media oxygen has been sucked out of the RNC and even the assasination attempt.

Now everyone wants to tune into the democratic "hunger games" to see who will have the honour to take on Trump.

Early favourite = Kamala.

[Balance]

Trump and Vance running scared already of Harris!

Thought they would be looking forward to debating her!

Wanting to change the rules of the debate or even, cancelling altogether. Cowards and hypocrites - leopards do not change their spots.

Can understand why - Harris the experienced prosecutor will persecute Trump in any debate with all of his lies and BS mercilessly.

Trump’s nightmare - a highly qualified and trained fearless black female prosecutor with attitude taking him on in a debate! Just imagine!

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-debate-kamala-harris_n_669d92d0e4b02fec30d28146

[jonu]

Trump and Vance running scared already of Harris!

Thought they would be looking forward to debating her!

Wanting to change the rules of the debate or even, cancelling altogether. Cowards and hypocrites - leopards do not change their spots.

Can understand why - Harris the experienced prosecutor will persecute Trump in any debate with all of his lies and BS mercilessly.

Trump’s nightmare - a highly qualified and trained fearless black female prosecutor with attitude taking him on in a debate! Just imagine!

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-debate-kamala-harris_n_669d92d0e4b02fec30d28146

From a strategic POV, why would he bother? It would be entertaining to watch her wander into one of her circular word salads. But the cackles? I can do without those....shudder.

[Balance]

Such a delicious thought - Harris in a debate with Trump.

Hope she totally ignores the questions (like Trump did in the first debate with Biden) and just prosecute him for all of his long list of lies, crimes and failures - plus bonus point, his sexual assaults and fornications.

Anyone think he can handle it?

[Balance]

From a strategic POV, why would he bother? It would be entertaining to watch her wander into one of her circular word salads. But the cackles? I can do without those....shudder.

And you think that Trump makes sense with his speeches and jumbled up BS?

[jonu]

And you think that Trump makes sense with his speeches and jumbled up BS?

More than Kamala.

Heres' a bookie's perspective

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-takes-a-big-lead-over-harris-in-betting-odds-for-november-but-one-dem-is-a-surprise-with-her-chances/ar-BB1qogBt?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=514f4cd858f64ea3a1a158b8b854d85a&ei=8

Mind you, Harris isn't the dead cert candidate yet. Who would she run with? I doubt the Democratic leadership really want her. But they have funding issues if they don't.

[dobby41]

Same god of his who was with him when he was fornicating Stormy Daniels?

A bit perverted.

[dobby41]

And you think that Trump makes sense with his speeches and jumbled up BS?

And his jumble of names.
He often confuses who he is talking about - a bit like Joe really and this will now stand in stark contrast.

[dobby41]

Trump’s nightmare - a highly qualified and trained fearless black female prosecutor with attitude taking him on in a debate! Just imagine!

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-debate-kamala-harris_n_669d92d0e4b02fec30d28146

I did like this bit

He went on to complain that his campaign had been “forced to spend time and money” fighting Biden and now had to “start all over again” against another challenger.

“Shouldn’t the Republican Party be reimbursed for fraud in that everybody around Joe, including his doctors and the Fake News Media, knew he was not capable of running for, or being, President?” Trump wrote. “Just askin’?”
"Forced to" - they chose to. Didems to them!

[jonu]

The Democrats missed this guy. Seems a missed opportunity. But you know...Joe was fine. Ignore the conspiracy theorists saying otherwise. Nothing to see here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLlraZwIRaA

[jonu]

How dangerous is Kamala Harris? Former Democrat presidential nominee aspirant and military veteran Tulsi Gabbard who ran against Biden and Harris has a damning view. So damning that she would prefer Trump! She's not greatly enamoured with Hillary either. Something about warmongers. When a military veteran is calling out warmongers it's probably time to listen.

Oh, did I mention that Gabbard is a smart capable woman? I guess she is allowed an opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwEY3lh51hI

[ynot]

How dangerous is Kamala Harris? Former Democrat presidential nominee aspirant and military veteran Tulsi Gabbard who ran against Biden and Harris has a damning view. So damning that she would prefer Trump! She's not greatly enamoured with Hillary either. Something about warmongers. When a military veteran is calling out warmongers it's probably time to listen.

Oh, did I mention that Gabbard is a smart capable woman? I guess she is allowed an opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwEY3lh51hI

This is the reality that few on this forum at least fail to understand. The dems are driven by a higher power, make no mistake about that. Those same individuals will not control Trump.

[Balance]

How dangerous is Kamala Harris? Former Democrat presidential nominee aspirant and military veteran Tulsi Gabbard who ran against Biden and Harris has a damning view. So damning that she would prefer Trump! She's not greatly enamoured with Hillary either. Something about warmongers. When a military veteran is calling out warmongers it's probably time to listen.

Oh, did I mention that Gabbard is a smart capable woman? I guess she is allowed an opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwEY3lh51hI

Gabbard has about as much credibility criticising Harris as Trump’s lies and BS.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/30/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-trump-vp.html

[Balance]

This is the reality that few on this forum at least fail to understand. The dems are driven by a higher power, make no mistake about that. Those same individuals will not control Trump.

Trump is all for himself and himself only. So yes, agreed - the con man controls others so he can take all for himself.

[Panda-NZ-]

Gabbard has about as much credibility criticising Harris as Trump’s lies and BS.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/30/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-trump-vp.html

Did she approve Joe's withdrawal from Afghanistan?

They're only sending aid to ukraine (and getting wins vs russia for it, maybe that's her issue).

[Panda-NZ-]

Dems should maybe consider not naming kamala as the sole nominee for two weeks.

Simply to keep the media on a frenzy and undo the gains from the RNC convention and assasination attempt. ;)

[Panda-NZ-]

I don't think Trump is capable enough of doing 4 years. He lacks the stamina for it at his advanced age.

[ynot]

Trump is all for himself and himself only. So yes, agreed - the con man controls others so he can take all for himself.

You are still not addressing my point and that is who actually runs the US Democratic government. That is why Trump is loathed, he is in "their" way.

[jonu]

Gabbard has about as much credibility criticising Harris as Trump’s lies and BS.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/30/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-trump-vp.html

From what I could read (paywalled) I ask what is wrong with her waking up to the warmongering ways of the Democrats? She missed the VP role but is consistent in her criticism. She presents as a hell of a lot more informed than the cackler-in-chief. The cackler, who by the way, told the American people that Joe was fine these past 2 years.

[Daytr]

From what I could read (paywalled) I ask what is wrong with her waking up to the warmongering ways of the Democrats? She missed the VP role but is consistent in her criticism. She presents as a hell of a lot more informed than the cackler-in-chief. The cackler, who by the way, told the American people that Joe was fine these past 2 years.

You keep repeating a lie. What wars have the Democrats started in recent years?
Even better question, what wars have they ended?
Both the two wars in Iraq & one in Afghanistan were started by Republican administrations.

So who are the warmongers?
I know it's hard to identify which way is up when you are deep in a blackhole of misinformation, but jeepers you know how to screw things around.

[Daytr]

How dangerous is Kamala Harris? Former Democrat presidential nominee aspirant and military veteran Tulsi Gabbard who ran against Biden and Harris has a damning view. So damning that she would prefer Trump! She's not greatly enamoured with Hillary either. Something about warmongers. When a military veteran is calling out warmongers it's probably time to listen.

Oh, did I mention that Gabbard is a smart capable woman? I guess she is allowed an opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwEY3lh51hI

Oh my gawd did you even listen to that conspiracy crap? Actually of course you did, you just swallowed what you are fed.
You are so brainwashed it's unbelievable. A smart capable woman yes, with an agenda.

To just transpose the same argument from one female Democrat leader to another saying not only are they all the same but one controls the other. What friggin planet are you on?

Again what wars did Hillary Clinton start?

[Daytr]

In 235 years of the US presidency there has never been a woman elected.
In 235 years there has only been one President of colour and that took 219 years to happen.
We could be witnessing history, the first female US president and of both African and Asian ethnicity.

How many people in the US have never been represented by someone that resembles them, that has experienced what they have experienced.

Harris is not just going to smash barriers, she will create a legacy and example for woman of any race or creed to follow.

This is an historic moment.

[Panda-NZ-]

In 235 years of the US presidency there has never been a woman elected.
In 235 years there has only been one President of colour and that took 219 years to happen.
We could be witnessing history, the first female US president and of both African and Asian ethnicity.

How many people in the US have never been represented by someone that resembles them, that has experienced what they have experienced.

Harris is not just going to smash barriers, she will create a legacy and example for woman of any race or creed to follow.

This is an historic moment.

Contrast that with a 78 year old man who inherited money, then used it to run various grifts and become a con-man.

[ynot]

In 235 years of the US presidency there has never been a woman elected.
In 235 years there has only been one President of colour and that took 219 years to happen.
We could be witnessing history, the first female US president and of both African and Asian ethnicity.

How many people in the US have never been represented by someone that resembles them, that has experienced what they have experienced.

Harris is not just going to smash barriers, she will create a legacy and example for woman of any race or creed to follow.

This is an historic moment.
BS.
Leader selection should be based on ability alone. Colour and gender should have nothing to do with it.

[fungus pudding]

BS.
Leader selection should be based on ability alone. Colour and gender should have nothing to do with it.

That's an unrealistric expectation.

[ynot]

That's an unrealistric expectation.

Not as unrealistic as selection based on colour and gender.

[blackcap]

BS.
Leader selection should be based on ability alone. Colour and gender should have nothing to do with it.

It seems like the US might be "unburdened by what has been"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f8h9dHXsUc

[fungus pudding]

Not as unrealistic as selection based on colour and gender.

Do you know what unrealistic means?

[ynot]

It seems like the US might be "unburdened by what has been"
Burble, cackle, burble cackle. Now let's see, what major global decision should I make this morning.

[Daytr]

BS.
Leader selection should be based on ability alone. Colour and gender should have nothing to do with it.

Well you just ruled out Trump then.
Get your Janola shots here!

I would say ability and experience. Trump had no political experience and boy did it show.

But beyond career experience is life experience, I.e growing up as a girl of mixed race in America and then having an incredibly successful career as a mixed race woman in America.

What are the odds for her success?
Tiny, and it shows in the fact that no woman, let alone a woman of colour has ever been nominated or been elected as President.

[Panda-NZ-]

It seems like the US might be "unburdened by what has been"

"Maybe we can nuke this hurricane".

"Hmm dr, maybe there's something we can do to apply heat and light to the cure" (for corona).

[Bjauck]

That's an unrealistric expectation.
I agree. The ability needed is to appeal to Elephant or Donkey donors. So after the expectations of donors have selected the two Party candidates the US voters have a binary choice, based loosely on democracy.

Occasionally candidates of independently wealthy means can have a go. Ross Perot ran in 1992 on a moderate platform. He got about 19% of the popular vote, but NO electoral college votes.

[Daytr]

Do you know what unrealistic means?

Ynot just needs to hold up a mirror for the definition. 🤣

[Panda-NZ-]

Elon "give me a tax cut" Musk has joined the trump camp... his reputation alongside him.

He should focus on growing his business rather than alienating half of the country.

[Daytr]

It seems like the US might be "unburdened by what has been"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f8h9dHXsUc

Do you seriously not understand what she is saying?

That says far more about you & others on here than it does about Harris.

[ynot]

Do you seriously not understand what she is saying?

That says far more about you & others on here than it does about Harris.

Meaningless woke burbling. Fortunately the world is wising up to the lefts inability to deliver.

[Daytr]

Meaningless woke burbling. Fortunately the world is wising up to the lefts inability to deliver.

It's the exact opposite of that.
It's only meaningless to the willfully ignorant.
You have just underlined why a female woman of colour is so needed to be president.
Trump supporters just don't have the comprehension or empathy to understand.
Pretty much like Trump really.

[Daytr]

Elon "give me a tax cut" Musk has joined the trump camp... his reputation alongside him.

He should focus on growing his business rather than alienating half of the country.

He's been in the Trump camp for some time.
Like Trump he thinks he's above the law and everyone else.

He said something along the lines, don't you realize I'm trying to get people to Mars, as justification that the rules don't apply to him.

It's ironic that it's mostly lefties that buy Teslas. Perhaps they should boycott Tesla.

[Daytr]

Elon "give me a tax cut" Musk has joined the trump camp... his reputation alongside him.

He should focus on growing his business rather than alienating half of the country.

Take a look at this Panda

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/bay-area-mogul-blasts-trump-in-exchange-with-musk-19589468.php

[ynot]

It's the exact opposite of that.
It's only meaningless to the willfully ignorant.
You have just underlined why a female woman if colour is so needed to be president.
Trump supporters just don't have the comprehension or empathy to understand.
Pretty much like Trump really.

Is that the same empathy and understanding Jacinda spoke of ? Yea that worked, not.

[Balance]

And yet they keep liking up to kiss his arse and get destroyed as Trump’s presidency showed - they either did whatever he wanted done (for his benefit) or he did them.

That’s the sort of people Trump wants and good on him! Not his problem that they are lining up to get fired, jailed or become immoral with no principles.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Yx8_JncGGHw?si=leuAb8IJMv-IMwqs

[Balance]

And this will have the Fornicating Trump spewing into his McCafe :

Harris’ campaign raises $81 million in 24 hours

Kamala Harris’ campaign has broken fundraising records, racking in $81 million in its first 24 hours.

The eye-watering figure is the largest amount of money raised in a 24-hour span in presidential history, according to Harris’ campaign, who noted a “groundswell” of support behind the Vice President.

It comes as 888,000 grassroots donors made contributions in the past 24 hours, 60 per cent of whom made their first contribution during the 2024 election race.

[Balance]

The game changes :

Not old man vs con man anymore

But

Prosecutor vs con man

[Panda-NZ-]

These headlines are brilliant:

Harris touts her career as a prosecuter "I know Donald Trump's type".

Harris, swiftly consolidating support among Democrats, lays out her record against Trumps criminal record.

https://edition.cnn.com/

[Daytr]

And this will have the Fornicating Trump spewing into his McCafe :

Harris’ campaign raises $81 million in 24 hours

Kamala Harris’ campaign has broken fundraising records, racking in $81 million in its first 24 hours.

The eye-watering figure is the largest amount of money raised in a 24-hour span in presidential history, according to Harris’ campaign, who noted a “groundswell” of support behind the Vice President.

It comes as 888,000 grassroots donors made contributions in the past 24 hours, 60 per cent of whom made their first contribution during the 2024 election race.

Wow that's fantastic to hear, especially all those new donors. Harris is likely to engage many people who perhaps don't even regularly vote.

[Daytr]

These headlines are brilliant:

Harris touts her career as a prosecuter "I know Donald Trump's type".

Harris, swiftly consolidating support among Democrats, lays out her record against Trumps criminal record.

https://edition.cnn.com/

Both Taylor Swift & Beyonce have endorsed Harris.
The Swifty movement could be huge for Harris in the youth vote.

[Balance]

Watching if there’s a groundswell of diverse, youth and female voters swing behind Harris - this could be the decider for the election of the experienced & seasoned Prosecutor vs the old con man.

Yes, Trump is now indeed the old man as well as the con man.

[Balance]

The old con man - focus now shifts to his rumbling & confused mumblings and utterances now that the old man is gone.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/22/election-trump-harris

And with Biden’s often stumbling public appearances – and especially his disastrous debate – now a thing of the past, there is likely to be a fresh focus on Trump’s mental acuity and his frequently rambling, confused campaign speeches.

Last month, for example, Trump got the name of his own doctor wrong. Previously he has made high-profile campaign trail gaffes, in which he seemed to think Barack Obama was still president and mistook his arch Republican rival Nikki Haley for Nancy Pelosi.

Political commentator Anthony Michael Kreis posted on Twitter/X soon after Biden’s announcement: “I can’t believe the GOP is running an old guy for president. Yikes.”

[moka]

Take a look at this Panda

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/bay-area-mogul-blasts-trump-in-exchange-with-musk-19589468.php A bit of Orwellian speak or Newspeak in the following comment by Musk in the article i.e. individual freedom for the elite and less freedom for the average citizen, and as for the heavy hand of government = Trump will be the government and yes it will be a heavy hand for those who don’t agree with him.

“Musk, perhaps sensing he’d touched a nerve, gave a relatively measured reply (https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1815100195736092954) in which he admitted that Trump has flaws but said the country needs an “administration that is more likely to be meritocratic and promote individual freedoms over the heavy hand of government.”

[Panda-NZ-]

Would Elon hire someone with a criminal record to be his gardener or work in one of his companies?

If not, then why is he asking people to consider one for president.

[Balance]

A bit of Orwellian speak or Newspeak in the following comment by Musk in the article i.e. individual freedom for the elite and less freedom for the average citizen, and as for the heavy hand of government = Trump will be the government and yes it will be a heavy hand for those who don’t agree with him.

“Musk, perhaps sensing he’d touched a nerve, gave a relatively measured reply (https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1815100195736092954) in which he admitted that Trump has flaws but said the country needs an “administration that is more likely to be meritocratic and promote individual freedoms over the heavy hand of government.”

Anyone but anyone who supports Trump needs to reflect on this :

“Hard for me to support someone with no values, lies, cheats, rapes, demeans women, hates immigrants like me,” Khosla replied.

“He may cut my taxes or reduce some regulation but that is no reason to accept depravity in his personal values.

Do you want President who will set back climate by a decade in his first year?

Do you want his example for your kids as values?”

[Balance]

A betting person will put money on Harris closing the gap on the old con man quickly within the next 2 months :

https://www.realclearpolling.com/undefined

[Getty]

Kamala the Prosecutor not showing integrity?

Allegedly playing a prerecorded message from Joey, and making out it was part of a live phonecall.
It's suggested they didn't risk Joey losing his way, and be unable to complete his sentences.

She mentions a recording, then supposedly corrects herself, to suggest he was live.

Source: 1ZB.

X are running a poll, whether live, AI or prerecorded.

[jonu]

Kamala the Prosecutor not showing integrity?

Allegedly playing a prerecorded message from Joey, and making out it was part of a live phonecall.
It's suggested they didn't risk Joey losing his way, and be unable to complete his sentences.

She mentions a recording, then supposedly corrects herself, to suggest he was live.

Source: 1ZB.

X are running a poll, whether live, AI or prerecorded.

Nominee for a day and already trust issues? A simple thing like this will haunt her. If Sleepy Joe is deteriorating that quick what the hell is he still doing in the White house?

[Getty]

Kama karma chameleon?

[Balance]

Kamala the Prosecutor not showing integrity?

Allegedly playing a prerecorded message from Joey, and making out it was part of a live phonecall.
It's suggested they didn't risk Joey losing his way, and be unable to complete his sentences.

She mentions a recording, then supposedly corrects herself, to suggest he was live.

Source: 1ZB.

X are running a poll, whether live, AI or prerecorded.

Fake news.

Desperate stuff already emerging from the right wingers used to kissing Trump’s arse while he grabs their balls or their pussies.

[fungus pudding]

Nominee for a day and already trust issues? A simple thing like this will haunt her. If Sleepy Joe is deteriorating that quick what the hell is he still doing in the White house?

Because he is the current POTUS as you well know.

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If it's fake news, this sort of thing should be stamped out somehow.

If you can't trust MSM, Social Media, websites, AI what can be trusted?

Bush telegraph and ST?

[jonu]

Because he is the current POTUS as you well know.

Or is he imPOTENT? Or imPOTUS even?

[Baa_Baa]

The twist in the race to POTUS, the professional prosecutor vs the professional defender, both very experienced in their crafts.

[Baa_Baa]

Because he is the current POTUS as you well know.

He certainly is but there is little evidence that he is running the country, more a mouthpiece and even that has gone to hell for him. You can see by the Democrat reactions, especially after the debate debacle, how quickly the power base in the party rallied to 'politely' exit Biden from the race ... look at who is cited and quoted supporting Biden's exit and Harris's entry. So a few months with Biden remaining as President (none of the core are asking for his resignation, it would be far too complicated anyway having Harris standing in for Biden while also trying to win the Presidency), along with the more than obvious string pullers who are running the show, this is no matter to the Democrats.

[ynot]

He certainly is but there is little evidence that he is running the country, more a mouthpiece and even that has gone to hell for him. You can see by the Democrat reactions, especially after the debate debacle, how quickly the power base in the party rallied to 'politely' exit Biden from the race ... look at who is cited and quoted supporting Biden's exit and Harris's entry. So a few months with Biden remaining as President (none of the core are asking for his resignation, it would be far too complicated anyway having Harris standing in for Biden while also trying to win the Presidency), along with the more than obvious string pullers who are running the show, this is no matter to the Democrats.

Biden was doing the very same 2 jobs no problem according to his fellow Democrats until yesterday. Suddenly he can't do both ?

[Balance]

Biden was doing the very same 2 jobs no problem according to his fellow Democrats until yesterday. Suddenly he can't do both ?

Tiresome regurgitation from Trump & his supporters with no morals or principles - unworthy of you, ynot.

Democrats forced Biden to quit the race because they believe he could not win. That’s different from him being able to continue as POTUS which he has been doing for the last 3.5 years with a list of achievements better than Trump! Example - more jobs created under his administration than Trump.

BTW, I happen to think that the democrats and republicans are just as bad as each other - clueless how to lift the US from its decline. No inspiration and certainly, no aspiration.

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Democrats forced Biden to quit the race because they believe he could not win. That𕃉s different from him being able to continue as POTUS which he has been doing for the last 3.5 years with a list of achievements better than Trump! Example - more jobs created under his administration than Trump.

One would hope those jobs were not in the public sector, and with all the resultant accommodation costs, just like Jacinda & Robbo 'created'.

Drain the swamp!

[Balance]

One would hope those jobs were not in the public sector, and with all the resultant accommodation costs, just like Jacinda & Robbo 'created'.

Drain the swamp!

What swamp? Resort swimming pool, you mean?

Which of course the new Coalition government in NZ is doing - getting rid of some of the 14,000+ civil servants & public sector jobs ‘created’ by the *itch.

US jobs?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2024/07/21/employment-grew-more-under-biden-and-immigrants-did-not-get-most-jobs/

Government data show employment grew more while Joe Biden was president than under Donald Trump, and that most employment went to U.S.-born workers. The topic roared into the news when Trump asserted in his convention speech that more than 100% of new jobs during the Biden presidency were “taken by illegal aliens.” The data do not support Trump’s contention, instead showing that 59% of employment growth under Biden was for U.S.-born workers.

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By accommodation l mean office rentals.

Not factories that produce things that people want, but places where people stare at computers all day, and hatch up orange cone mobs, and other 'initiatives' that nobble the productive sector.

SWAMP THE DRAINERS AND DRONES!

[Panda-NZ-]

Biden was doing the very same 2 jobs no problem according to his fellow Democrats until yesterday. Suddenly he can't do both ?

Yet some claim Trump who is only 3 years younger is totally fit for the office.

He's too old-- and a con-man.

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SS Chief Cheatle has walked the plank.

[ynot]

SS Chief Cheatle has walked the plank.
Unbelievable. It would appear there is much more yet to be learned of SS performance or lack of on the assination attempt.

[Daytr]

An interesting article from the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/23/kamala-harris-elecion-masterstroke-democrats?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2by3oRJzRQgzr6YxOHL1z4D jPK48ktNAHrau7JUdwiaVEqcoe7nD5IQZw_aem_rdOKWJFdhdP kHr1AEFnTjQ

[Daytr]

Kamala the Prosecutor not showing integrity?

Allegedly playing a prerecorded message from Joey, and making out it was part of a live phonecall.
It's suggested they didn't risk Joey losing his way, and be unable to complete his sentences.

She mentions a recording, then supposedly corrects herself, to suggest he was live.

Source: 1ZB.

X are running a poll, whether live, AI or prerecorded.


Nominee for a day and already trust issues? A simple thing like this will haunt her. If Sleepy Joe is deteriorating that quick what the hell is he still doing in the White house?


Kama karma chameleon?

Look at the desperation to jump on any BS that's spread on the internet.

Here's the video of the phone call. Seems pretty legit to me. Hey but I'm not looking for conspiracy under every rock.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2024/jul/22/joe-biden-calls-kamala-harris-event-video

[Daytr]

Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton in 2016 & if it wasn't for the BS email plant weeks before the election he never would have been president.
I would love to know who dropped off the file to the FBI only weeks before the election.

Trump then lost to Biden despite all his illegal efforts to overturn the result. He lost the popular vote by 7M votes!

In Trump’s own vernacular, he is a loser.

I hope Harris doesn't just beat Trump, I hope she smashes him into oblivion and it teaches the Republicans a lesson not to go down this sort of path ever again.

[blackcap]

That Cheatle got such a grilling, even AOC gave her some. No other way but for her to go. She was/is as slimy nasty person.

[Bjauck]

Look at the desperation to jump on any BS that's spread on the internet.

Here's the video of the phone call. Seems pretty legit to me. Hey but I'm not looking for conspiracy under every rock.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2024/jul/22/joe-biden-calls-kamala-harris-event-videoWiithout someone labelling it as a live phone-in, if I had to choose whether it was a recording or live, it sounds like a recording. There is an introduction but no “conversation” and Biden does not pause when the audience cheers. If it is live, it seems like Biden cannot hear the audience reaction.

However I have only seen edited clips of the launch.

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Look at the desperation to jump on any BS that's spread on the internet.

Here's the video of the phone call. Seems pretty legit to me. Hey but I'm not looking for conspiracy under every rock.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2024/jul/22/joe-biden-calls-kamala-harris-event-video

So there we have it.

The judge and jury Day traitor has given his verdict.

The sole source of truth!

The one who wanted Trump shot dead!

Be Kind!

[blackcap]

Wow just wow. A latest Quinnipiac poll shows that in the age category 18-34, Trump leads Harris by 58 -39 and leads Biden by 54 - 37.

Trump also has better favorability ratings than Harris;

Trump 46 - 49 -3
Harris 37 - 51 -14

Harris is toast

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3901

[Daytr]

Wow just wow. A latest Quinnipiac poll shows that in the age category 18-34, Trump leads Harris by 58 -39 and leads Biden by 54 - 37.

Trump also has better favorability ratings than Harris;

Trump 46 - 49 -3
Harris 37 - 51 -14

Harris is toast

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3901

Backcap the poll was taken before Biden dropped out and around the time of the assassination attempt.
Perhaps let Harris do a bit of campaigning before making such big calls.
We will know more in a month or so.

[Daytr]

Wiithout someone labelling it as a live phone-in, if I had to choose whether it was a recording or live, it sounds like a recording. There is an introduction but no “conversation” and Biden does not pause when the audience cheers. If it is live, it seems like Biden cannot hear the audience reaction.

However I have only seen edited clips of the launch.

Interesting that is what you base your assessment on.


So there we have it.

The judge and jury Day traitor has given his verdict.

The sole source of truth!

The one who wanted Trump shot dead!

Be Kind!

I expressed an opinion, is that not allowed now Getty? Get off your soap box.

[blackcap]

I see Harris is not even Black and not of Jamaican descent, but rather Irish and slave owners to boot. Her father married an Indian woman so she is Irish/Indian.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/07/23/kamala-harris-is-a-descendant-of-an-irish-slave-owner-in-jamaica/

Not really that electable.

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Interesting that is what you base your assessment on.



I expressed an opinion, is that not allowed now Getty? Get off your soap box.

Me on a soapbox?

Cripes.

Don't the mirrors work at your place?

[Daytr]

Me on a soapbox?

Cripes.

Don't the mirrors work at your place?

I'm not the one making sh1te up.
Trump supporter, it's just embarrassing.

[Daytr]

The Republicans are getting desperate if this is all they have.

Republican files articles of IMPEACHMENT against Kamala Harris (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/republican-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-kamala-harris/ar-BB1qvnvm?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7dbf53678cc04867a69f54b9b24e8c20&ei=7)

[Balance]

Wow just wow. A latest Quinnipiac poll shows that in the age category 18-34, Trump leads Harris by 58 -39 and leads Biden by 54 - 37.

Trump also has better favorability ratings than Harris;

Trump 46 - 49 -3
Harris 37 - 51 -14

Harris is toast

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3901

One day after Biden dropped out and Harris had yet to be named Democrat contender but she polled close enough to Trump that it was too close to call = Harris is toast?

In fact, one must be very surprised to note that she is not 10 points at least behind the Fornicator!

Cannot wait to see the polls in the weeks ahead as the Prosecutor rolls out her campaign and takes on the old con man!

Excerpt from poll article above (courtesy of blackcap) :

“One day after President Joe Biden dropped out of the 2024 presidential race and endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris to be the Democratic Party nominee, 49 percent of voters support former President Donald Trump and 47 percent of voters support Harris, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of registered voters released today.

There is no clear leader as the lead is within the margin of error.”

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I see Harris is not even Black and not of
Jamaican descent, but rather Irish and slave owners to boot. Her father married an Indian woman so she is Irish/Indian.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/07/23/kamala-harris-is-a-descendant-of-an-irish-slave-owner-in-jamaica/

Not really that electable.
With Usha, J D Vance's wife being Indian too, is it a time of respite from too many Chiefs and not enough Indians?

With Ivana being Slovenian, we almost had some Dally Delhi, but not quite as Slovenia is just north of Croatia.

[Balance]

I see Harris is not even Black and not of Jamaican descent, but rather Irish and slave owners to boot. Her father married an Indian woman so she is Irish/Indian.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/07/23/kamala-harris-is-a-descendant-of-an-irish-slave-owner-in-jamaica/

Not really that electable.

Did not do George Washington any harm to own as many slaves as he did?

[Balance]

Oh dear!

Harris 44 Fornicator 42

The old con man must be spewing into his McCafe & hash browns this morning!

2 days after Biden quit, Harris takes the lead against the old con man.

LOCK HIM UP!

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-leads-trump-44-42-us-presidential-race-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2024-07-23/

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I'm not the one making sh1te up.
Trump supporter, it's just embarrassing.

You embarrass yourself with your lack of vision caused by your blinkers.

Just because l assist elderly Joey closer to peaceful retirement.
While you wanted to punish him for another 4 years!

Doesn't mean I'm an ardent supportet of DT .

[Panda-NZ-]

Trump is simply too old for the presidency. And he's a con-man.

[Panda-NZ-]

Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton in 2016 & if it wasn't for the BS email plant weeks before the election he never would have been president.
I would love to know who dropped off the file to the FBI only weeks before the election.


Yeah there should be a six month ban on that kind of thing before an election.

[blackcap]

Oh dear!

Harris 44 Fornicator 42

The old con man must be spewing into his McCafe & hash browns this morning!

2 days after Biden quit, Harris takes the lead against the old con man.

LOCK HIM UP!

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-leads-trump-44-42-us-presidential-race-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2024-07-23/

If you look at the sampling, you will note that far more registered Democrats than registered Republicans were questioned:

This Ipsos poll was conducted July 22-23, 2024, by Ipsos for Reuters using the probability-based KnowledgePanel®. This poll is based on a representative probability sample of 1,241 general population adults age 18 or older in the United States. The sample includes 1,018 registered voters, 426 Democrats, 376 Republicans, and 341 Independents.

[Panda-NZ-]

The only thing that matters is the polling in the swing states.

& it's far too early for that on Kamala's second day as a presedential candidate.

[Balance]

Oh dear!

Harris 44 Fornicator 42

The old con man must be spewing into his McCafe & hash browns this morning!

2 days after Biden quit, Harris takes the lead against the old con man.

LOCK HIM UP!

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-leads-trump-44-42-us-presidential-race-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2024-07-23/

And Republicans are now thinking that the old con man has picked the wrong running mate J Vance who cannot attract any more new votes to Trump.

Field is open for Harris to pick a running mate who can sway voters in the swing states towards the Democrats.

Prosecutor vs old con man contest taking shape!

LOCK HIM UP!

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Prosecutor vs old con man contest taking shape!

Is it ever.

The speech l heard Kamala give her supporters was imploring them to FIGHT!

I wonder if she is trying to emulate anyone.

Not much hope for peace is there?

[Daytr]

You embarrass yourself with your lack of vision caused by your blinkers.

Just because l assist elderly Joey closer to peaceful retirement.
While you wanted to punish him for another 4 years!

Doesn't mean I'm an ardent supportet of DT .

Lack of vision huh, I see right through you.

Your forte is making things up.
I said over & over that Biden should stand down, but if he chose to stay then Biden over Trump in a heartbeat. I believe I also said Mickey Mouse over Trump, another words basically anyone rather than the despicable Trump.

Really you are not a Trump supporter or just not an ardent one? So many of you are too embarrassed to admit what is obvious. If you support the Republicans in this election you support Trump.

What's that stench? It's the smell of the rotten decaying Republican party, it's supporters and the hot flatulent air that spews from their candidate.

[Bjauck]

Interesting that is what you base your assessment on…..
After watching the video in this linked item, Biden spontaneously responds to Harris, so fwiw I am more convinced it was a phone call-in. As for the “rec…” , I think that was a simple mis-speak from Harris.

https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/gaffe-prone-biden-joined-kamala-harris-campaign-team-event-or-was-it-a-recording

[jonu]

If you want to understand where the US is right now. Have a look at this. That cheekie chappie Matt Walsh has done it again. Am I Racist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7PA_kshZh0

[Daytr]

After watching the video in this linked item, Biden spontaneously responds to Harris, so fwiw I am more convinced it was a phone call-in. As for the “rec…” , I think that was a simple mis-speak from Harris.

https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/gaffe-prone-biden-joined-kamala-harris-campaign-team-event-or-was-it-a-recording

I really don't see it.

[Balance]

After watching the video in this linked item, Biden spontaneously responds to Harris, so fwiw I am more convinced it was a phone call-in. As for the “rec…” , I think that was a simple mis-speak from Harris.

https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/gaffe-prone-biden-joined-kamala-harris-campaign-team-event-or-was-it-a-recording

Fxxking amazing that this is even made out to be an issue!

What a shame that US politics has descended into the toxic sewage pond today. Where is the contest of ideas, vision, aspirations, inspirations and leadership?

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Fxxking amazing that this is even made out to be an issue!

What a shame that US politics has descended into the toxic sewage pond today. Where is the contest of ideas, vision, aspirations, inspirations and leadership?

Excellent question.

Tune into Hannity on Fox TV right now for some answers.

[Daytr]

Excellent question.

Tune into Hannity on Fox TV right now for some answers.

I would rather rub an onion in my eye than listen those frenzied nutbars.

[Bjauck]

If you want to understand where the US is right now. Have a look at this. That cheekie chappie Matt Walsh has done it again. Am I Racist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7PA_kshZh0It looks like a Borat type of movie ��

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I would rather rub an onion in my eye than listen those frenzied nutbars.

Yes, the truth does hurt doesn't it?

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BTW, when l was previously suggesting the Democrats pull a Jacinda out of their ranks to replace an ailing Joey for the election campaign, l did not mean Kamala, as she was already in the loop as VP.

But now I'm learning more about her, l'm seeing strong resemblance to the negative aspects of our Jacinda.

[Balance]

BTW, when l was previously suggesting the Democrats pull a Jacinda out of their ranks to replace an ailing Joey for the election campaign, l did not mean Kamala, as she was already in the loop as VP.

But now I'm learning more about her, l'm seeing strong resemblance to the negative aspects of our Jacinda.

Some examples?

[Panda-NZ-]

But now I'm learning more about her, l'm seeing strong resemblance to the negative aspects of our Jacinda.

She's a woman yes... hmm what else.

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Some examples?
The Fox commentators label her a far left radical.

Pardon me for saying so, but that's not the sort of woman you are normally seen in bed with Balance?

[Bjauck]

I would rather rub an onion in my eye than listen those frenzied nutbars. The online extreme right are going into overdrive not only on Harris and her Jewish husband, but her step-daughter.

“Growing number of antisemitic, misogynistic posts reveal far right’s anxieties as Harris’s candidacy solidifies”

Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff face online wave of sexist, racist attacks
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/24/kamala-harris-doug-emhoff-sexist-antisemitic-attacks

[Daytr]

The Fox commentators label her a far left radical.

Pardon me for saying so, but that's not the sort of woman you are normally seen in bed with Balance?

Perhaps stop watching Fox news...
Seriously!

[Daytr]

The online extreme right are going into overdrive not only on Harris and her Jewish husband, but her step-daughter.

“Growing number of antisemitic, misogynistic posts reveal far right’s anxieties as Harris’s candidacy solidifies”

Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff face online wave of sexist, racist attacks
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/24/kamala-harris-doug-emhoff-sexist-antisemitic-attacks

Yeah there's some pretty disgusting stuff being written, including on here.
I'm not sure how someone can live with themselves speaking such despicable lies.

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Perhaps stop watching Fox news...
Seriously!

Now now, that's enough cancel culture and censorship for now.

Anyway, which pulpit of truth do you recommend?

Try Newsweek website, where they rip into her record as a Prosecutor.
And go on to say don't vote for her.

Look at the uncensored clips of interviews of her being as evasive and deceitful as Jacinda ever was in not answering questions on cases such as Kevin Cooper, and another family l can't recall for now.

Then DYOR on her handling of the Border, which was her Portfolio.

She never went any where near it, apart for a short period one day in a low traffic area.
It was like Jacinda's Kiwibuild, but watch Kamala weasel away fron it.

[Bjauck]

I see Harris is not even Black and not of Jamaican descent, but rather Irish and slave owners to boot. Her father married an Indian woman so she is Irish/Indian.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/07/23/kamala-harris-is-a-descendant-of-an-irish-slave-owner-in-jamaica/

Not really that electable. You do realise that it is possible that “Harris’s four-times-paternal-great-grandfather Hamilton Brown was born in Co Antrim in 1776, the year of the US Declaration of Independence.” Hamilton Brown owned slaves in Jamaica,

Her father was born in Jamaica, one of his ancestors could have been that Hamilton Brown. His family roots seem to span many generations in Jamaica. Many black people in Jamaica also have white blood.

The Irish Times article is about one ancestor, many generations ago, and does not support your broad claims. Also as The Irish Tomes states the links between that Hamilton Brown and Harris are not definitively proven.

Harris identifies as black, from her father’s side, even though she has Indian ancestry from her mother.

[jonu]

You do realise that it is possible that “Harris’s four-times-paternal-great-grandfather Hamilton Brown was born in Co Antrim in 1776, the year of the US Declaration of Independence.” Hamilton Brown owned slaves in Jamaica,

Her father was born in Jamaica, one of his ancestors could have been that Hamilton Brown. His family roots seem to span many generations in Jamaica. Many black people in Jamaica also have white blood.

The Irish Times article is about one ancestor, many generations ago, and does not support your broad claims. Also as The Irish Tomes states the links between that Hamilton Brown and Harris are not definitively proven.

Harris identifies as black, from her father’s side, even though she has Indian ancestry from her mother.




And it boils down to mean what? Because she is of a certain race she will think a certain way? Can you categorise her by her skin colour or her sex? Doesn't sound a very good way to assess people's character does it? But that's exactly what Biden did with his DEI hire for VP. He announced it as such.

I'm astounded that people can't see why identity politics is such a dangerous and corrosive problem. And to think it is woke lefties that promote it. Shouldn't be surprised, it's mark of neo-Marxism to make everyone a victim. Racisim and sexism are apparently OK all over again.

[Bjauck]

And it boils down to mean what? Because she is of a certain race she will think a certain way? Can you categorise her by her skin colour or her sex? Doesn't sound a very good way to assess people's character does it? But that's exactly what Biden did with his DEI hire for VP. He announced it as such.

I'm astounded that people can't see why identity politics is such a dangerous and corrosive problem. And to think it is woke lefties that promote it. Shouldn't be surprised, it's mark of neo-Marxism to make everyone a victim. Racisim and sexism are apparently OK all over again. I was just responding to the balderdash contained in Blackcap’s post.

Anyway, the MAGA movement’s whole thrust is based on identity politics.

[jonu]

I was just responding to the balderdash contained in Blackcap’s post.

Anyway, the MAGA movement’s whole thrust is based on identity politics.

Fair enough, but was my point valid? And I would say the MAGA message was Nationalist ie pro USA as a whole.

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And it boils down to mean what? Because she is of a certain race she will think a certain way? Can you categorise her by her skin colour or her sex? Doesn't sound a very good way to assess people's character does it? But that's exactly what Biden did with his DEI hire for VP. He announced it as such.

I'm astounded that people can't see why identity politics is such a dangerous and corrosive problem. And to think it is woke lefties that promote it. Shouldn't be surprised, it's mark of neo-Marxism to make everyone a victim. Racisim and sexism are apparently OK all over again.

Well said.

[Bjauck]

Fair enough, but was my point valid? And I would say the MAGA message was Nationalist ie pro USA as a whole.
As long as personal rights and minority rights are respected, within the rule of common law.

[jonu]

As long as personal rights and minority rights are respected, within the rule of common law.

Great. That would indicate you think a diversity hire is the wrong thing to do. Discriminating against someone due to their sex or colour/race is bad. Which is exactly what Biden did to those who didn't fit his DEI criteria. Competency wasn't anywhere near top of the list for Biden.

[Bjauck]

Great. That would indicate you think a diversity hire is the wrong thing to do. Discriminating against someone due to their sex or colour/race is bad. Which is exactly what Biden did to those who didn't fit his DEI criteria. Competency wasn't anywhere near top of the list for Biden.
Tbh I cannot comment as I don’ t know much about what Biden did in that respect. However I can say I am against the NZ Green Party DEI leadership requirements as they are in effect discriminatory.

In a multi-cultural country, with minority cultures, such as the USA and NZ, it can be difficult to ensure that all are catered for appropriately..

It is up to the American people to assess the skill and qualities of Harris versus Trump regardless of whether they are may or may not be candidates approved by their respective Parties as a result of diversity policies or inherited wealth.

[jonu]

Tbh I cannot comment as I don’ t know much about what Biden did in that respect. However I can say I am against the NZ Green Party DEI leadership requirements as they are in effect discriminatory.

In a multi-cultural country, with minority cultures, such as the USA and NZ, it can be difficult to ensure that all are catered for appropriately..

It is up to the American people to assess the skill and qualities of Harris versus Trump regardless of whether they are may or may not be candidates approved by their respective Parties as a result of diversity policies or inherited wealth.

It's no secret that Biden did exactly what the Greens do. He announced ahead of time that his VP pick would be a woman of colour. Appalling eh? White women and all blokes need not apply. Not clear on where he would have stood on trans. Gets a bit muddy doesn't it? We all know Chippie didn't know...or didn't want to know. What is a woman again?

[Daytr]

And it boils down to mean what? Because she is of a certain race she will think a certain way? Can you categorise her by her skin colour or her sex? Doesn't sound a very good way to assess people's character does it? But that's exactly what Biden did with his DEI hire for VP. He announced it as such.

I'm astounded that people can't see why identity politics is such a dangerous and corrosive problem. And to think it is woke lefties that promote it. Shouldn't be surprised, it's mark of neo-Marxism to make everyone a victim. Racisim and sexism are apparently OK all over again.

What are you on about?
You develop your own argument and then refute it. Be careful of the echo chamber as echos rebound. What is going on in that head of yours.

But to answer your question.
The US has had 235 years of identity politics. White men, with only one exception in that time, and no women.
Time for a change.


Well said.

No it not, as Bjauck said nothing of the sort.

[Muse]

In America - over its long history - running mates have been chosen for a plethora of contrasting features. Old candidates have chosen young ones. Northern candidates have chosen southern ones. Moderates have chosen partisans and partisans have chosen moderates. and on the list goes. Men have chosen women and likely this time a woman will chose a man. It's always been a political decision - maintaining and pleasing the base while hopefully extending the appeal. People decry Harris as a DEI choice as a consequence but she still (rightly or wrongly) climbed to the top of a shortlist as a consequence of her work as a prosecutor and United States Senator - it's not like a DNC walked down the street and saw a person and declared "THAT one!". Was her ethnicity, gender and age a factor in the machine that pushed for her to become Biden's VP pick? Most probably, but no more or less than the historical picks made to appeal to or pacify other segments of the political base (south, north, young, old, religious, etc) and doesn't take away from her accomplishments and long climb to US Senator. And by screaming DEI candidate everytime a person with particular features is considered or nominated it almost seeks to preclude any person who is a non-white male. Surely even the most fervent here must concede women, people of different colour, or sexualities are just as capable as a white man.

Southern Jefferson chose Northern Burr in great part because because he was from New York. Lincoln chose Johnson in part because he was from Tennessee and to signify unity. Young (black) Obama chose old (white) Biden because he was seen as older and more mainstream. Was Biden a DEI candidate? Eisenhower chose Nixon for similar regions. Northern JFK chose Johnson because he wanted a southern running mate and it was important Johnson wasn't a catholic to balance out people's suspicions of JFK Catholicism.

and no doubt Harris will ask a man to be her running mate. A gender based choice should we be outraged?

It's just politics - always has been always will be - so just get over it.

[Bjauck]

It's no secret that Biden did exactly what the Greens do. He announced ahead of time that his VP pick would be a woman of colour. Appalling eh? White women and all blokes need not apply. Not clear on where he would have stood on trans. Gets a bit muddy doesn't it? We all know Chippie didn't know...or didn't want to know. What is a woman again?
That was Biden’s choice and not a Party stipulation. All the presidential candidates have their own criteria for selecting a running mate.

This time the people can vote on whether they want an intelligent successful woman who has been selected by her Party, versus a man with success born from inherited wealth, selected by his Party, to be President. Policies may or may not come into their equation.

[jonu]

That was Biden’s choice and not a Party stipulation. All the presidential candidates have their own criteria for selecting a running mate.

This time the people can vote on whether they want an intelligent successful woman who has been selected by her Party, versus a man with success born from inherited wealth, selected by his Party, to be President. Policies may or may not come into their equation.

Yet you were OK with Biden? A lot of sidestepping going on here BJauck.

The big difference between Biden and previous presidential choices for VP is that Biden's political reasons for choosing Harris were purely racist and sexist. He said so. Not because she came from California, or had been an AG, or was competent. His criteria was that his VP be a coloured woman. I guess the party of the slavers hasn't changed that much in 150 years.

[Muse]

Yet you were OK with Biden? A lot of sidestepping going on here BJauck.

The big difference between Biden and previous presidential choices for VP is that Biden's political reasons for choosing Harris were purely racist and sexist. He said so. Not because she came from California, or had been an AG, or was competent. His criteria was that his VP be a coloured woman. I guess the party of the slavers hasn't changed that much in 150 years.

I’d wager Harris will choose a running mate that is white and male (and that those two characteristics will be material to her decision whether spoken or unspoken). Be interesting if Jonu will be able to feign the same level of outrage as he has above.

[jonu]

I’d wager Harris will choose a running mate that is white and male (and that those two characteristics will be material to her decision whether spoken or unspoken). Be interesting if Jonu will be able to feign the same level of outrage as he has above.

Not feigned outrage Muse. I couldn't give a rats who she chooses. I just know that competency should be the first criteria for any selection. With politics, popularity will normally top the list, and that seldom ends well.

The SS head who just resigned was aiming for 30% female agent level when she got the job. Did you note the physically small of stature female agents standing around Trump at the assassination attempt, leaving his head exposed? There are times when you want the best and most suited for the job, not someone who fits some concocted DEI protocol.

[Daytr]

In America - over its long history - running mates have been chosen for a plethora of contrasting features. Old candidates have chosen young ones. Northern candidates have chosen southern ones. Moderates have chosen partisans and partisans have chosen moderates. and on the list goes. Men have chosen women and likely this time a woman will chose a man. It's always been a political decision - maintaining and pleasing the base while hopefully extending the appeal. People decry Harris as a DEI choice as a consequence but she still (rightly or wrongly) climbed to the top of a shortlist as a consequence of her work as a prosecutor and United States Senator - it's not like a DNC walked down the street and saw a person and declared "THAT one!". Was her ethnicity, gender and age a factor in the machine that pushed for her to become Biden's VP pick? Most probably, but no more or less than the historical picks made to appeal to or pacify other segments of the political base (south, north, young, old, religious, etc) and doesn't take away from her accomplishments and long climb to US Senator. And by screaming DEI candidate everytime a person with particular features is considered or nominated it almost seeks to preclude any person who is a non-white male. Surely even the most fervent here must concede women, people of different colour, or sexualities are just as capable as a white man.

Southern Jefferson chose Northern Burr in great part because because he was from New York. Lincoln chose Johnson in part because he was from Tennessee and to signify unity. Young (black) Obama chose old (white) Biden because he was seen as older and more mainstream. Was Biden a DEI candidate? Eisenhower chose Nixon for similar regions. Northern JFK chose Johnson because he wanted a southern running mate and it was important Johnson wasn't a catholic to balance out people's suspicions of JFK Catholicism.

and no doubt Harris will ask a man to be her running mate. A gender based choice should we be outraged?

It's just politics - always has been always will be - so just get over it.

Excellent post Muse.
It's incredible that the diversity or not chosen for their ability flag is waved when the same thing has been going on for thousands of years and in the US, from its inception as if anyone had put a woman up or a person of colour even if they were the most capable person on the planet they would have been unelectable.

Imagine if Harris chose a black woman as a running mate, unfortunately it would probably kill her chances as America isn't ready for that.
Let's hope at least they are ready for a strong, intelligent and articulate woman.

[Bjauck]

Yet you were OK with Biden? A lot of sidestepping going on here BJauck.

The big difference between Biden and previous presidential choices for VP is that Biden's political reasons for choosing Harris were purely racist and sexist. He said so. Not because she came from California, or had been an AG, or was competent. His criteria was that his VP be a coloured woman. I guess the party of the slavers hasn't changed that much in 150 years. I am sorry if you cannot see the major difference between a political party and a presidential candidate’s choice for running mate.

At least, Biden was open about his criteria. He would think there may be balance to have An old white man and a comparatively youngish black woman on his ticket - that was his choice to make and to present to the voters. How many Presidential candidates in the past have as their unspoken criteria for running mate as anybody other than a black woman, or a black man for that matter?

Anyway Harris will use her A-G skills to hold Trump to account this election. She has dealt with his type before. However it will not be an easy race in the political swamp!

[Daytr]

All this criticism of first Biden and now Harris and some quite distasteful posts included, from these apparently non Trump supporters.
But not one criticism of Trump from them and there really is soooo much to choose from.
His morals, or lack of, he's a serial liar, he turns on his own allies and sends them up the river or off to clink just to protect himself, I could go on as it's almost an neverending story.
The denial is palpable from the trio of Trumpsters.

Well here's a criticism and it's one that was laid at Biden. Trump can't remember what he said only three weeks ago!

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4789891-donald-trump-jamie-dimon-treasury-secretary-speculation/

[jonu]

I am sorry if you cannot see the major difference between a political party and a presidential candidate’s choice for running mate.

At least, Biden was open about his criteria. He would think there may be balance to have An old white man and a comparatively youngish black woman on his ticket - that was his choice to make and to present to the voters. How many Presidential candidates in the past have as their unspoken criteria for running mate as anybody other than a black woman, or a black man for that matter?

Anyway Harris will use her A-G skills to hold Trump to account this election. She has dealt with his type before. However it will not be an easy race in the political swamp!

Just say it BJAuck. You approve of his racism and sexism. Enough sidestepping. Enough whataboutery. Ardern had the same policy for her Cabinet. Look where it got us.

[Panda-NZ-]

Project 2025 is such a gift to Harris.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHzrqDFJmCo

Dumb politics which she should seek to exploit. It's a wish list the old con-man would love to see implemented.

[Bjauck]

Just say it BJAuck. You approve of his racism and sexism. Enough sidestepping. Enough whataboutery. Ardern had the same policy for her Cabinet. Look where it got us. Being nominated as a Presidential candidate and selecting a vice-President are a unique situation. I have never been in that position. I can say I approve of Biden more than Trump and I would support Harris over Trump. With a binary choice it is often about selecting the lesser of two evils. As a matter of interest, In the upcoming election, and if you were eligible, would you vote for Harris or Trump, or not cast a vote at all

Surprisingly, the American elections are not about me or thee, however. Do you seriously think Biden was more racist and sexist than Trump?

.

[dobby41]

Not feigned outrage Muse. I couldn't give a rats who she chooses. I just know that competency should be the first criteria for any selection. With politics, popularity will normally top the list, and that seldom ends well.

Competency wasn't a criterion when Trump was chosen - why should it be now?

[jonu]

Competency wasn't a criterion when Trump was chosen - why should it be now?

More whataboutery.

[Daytr]

Competency wasn't a criterion when Trump was chosen - why should it be now?

Exactly.
Quite incredible how the diversity card is pulled out when there hasn't been a female president ever! Jonu is on a different planet.
Just mind blowing ignorance.

[jonu]

Being nominated as a Presidential candidate and selecting a vice-President are a unique situation. I have never been in that position. I can say I approve of Biden more than Trump and I would support Harris over Trump. With a binary choice it is often about selecting the lesser of two evils. As a matter of interest, In the upcoming election, and if you were eligible, would you vote for Harris or Trump, or not cast a vote at all

Surprisingly, the American elections are not about me or thee, however. Do you seriously think Biden was more racist and sexist than Trump?

.

I have previously said repeatedly I don't like Trump. I have also pointed out where he outperformed Biden and Obama with regard to Putin and his activities.

The best thing Trump has going for him is that he is outside of the club that effectively control the Democrat and Republican parties. Remember Trump was a lifelong Democrat and the Republican hierarchy certainly didn't want him. Again, as I have said previously, Trump is a symptom of the corruption of the US system. I have been trying to demonstrate that "anyone but Trump" isn't necessarily a good idea. Certainly not with regards to Biden and Harris.

Probably I wouldn't vote if I was eligible, but that doesn't sit comfortably with me.

And yes, I think Biden is more racist than Trump. You could probably toss a coin on sexist.

[jonu]

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[Panda-NZ-]

The best thing Trump has going for him is that he is outside of the club that effectively control the Democrat and Republican parties. Remember Trump was a lifelong Democrat and the Republican hierarchy certainly didn't want him. Again, as I have said previously, Trump is a symptom of the corruption of the US system. I have been trying to demonstrate that "anyone but Trump" isn't necessarily a good idea. Certainly not with regards to Biden and Harris.

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He's very much in the club. Top 1%, inherited his money while donating large amounts to both parties.

[jonu]

He's very much in the club. Top 1%, inherited his money while donating large amounts to both parties.

I heard that anyone who earns over 30k USD is in the top 1%. No reason to doubt it.

To sum up the recent posts attacking my stance..."there has been a bunch of white blokes as president previously. Let's fix that by advocating racism and sexism."

What do you think happens when the next cab off the rank uses those same criteria in a way you don't agree with? How do you tell someone they shouldn't be sexist and racist when you have advocated for it when it suits your purposes? All these authoritarian Lefties forget that the boot can be on the other foot very quickly, and the genie they let out of the bottle by way of racism, sexism and censorship can be very quickly used against them by their political opponents, or even used in ways they find abhorrent.

[dobby41]

I heard that anyone who earns over 30k USD is in the top 1%. No reason to doubt it.

You should have every reason to doubt it!
It doesn't pass the sniff test for a start.
The actual figure is an income of $787,712pa.
Even in poorer states like West Virginia it is $420,000pa.

[Daytr]

I heard that anyone who earns over 30k USD is in the top 1%. No reason to doubt it.

To sum up the recent posts attacking my stance..."there has been a bunch of white blokes as president previously. Let's fix that by advocating racism and sexism."

What do you think happens when the next cab off the rank uses those same criteria in a way you don't agree with? How do you tell someone they shouldn't be sexist and racist when you have advocated for it when it suits your purposes? All these authoritarian Lefties forget that the boot can be on the other foot very quickly, and the genie they let out of the bottle by way of racism, sexism and censorship can be very quickly used against them by their political opponents, or even used in ways they find abhorrent.

Confusing diversity and representation with sexism. Well the simple are easily confused.

[Bjauck]

I have previously said repeatedly I don't like Trump. I have also pointed out where he outperformed Biden and Obama with regard to Putin and his activities.

The best thing Trump has going for him is that he is outside of the club that effectively control the Democrat and Republican parties. Remember Trump was a lifelong Democrat and the Republican hierarchy certainly didn't want him. Again, as I have said previously, Trump is a symptom of the corruption of the US system. I have been trying to demonstrate that "anyone but Trump" isn't necessarily a good idea. Certainly not with regards to Biden and Harris.

Probably I wouldn't vote if I was eligible, but that doesn't sit comfortably with me.

And yes, I think Biden is more racist than Trump. You could probably toss a coin on sexist. Trump’s racism - examples.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2024/07/24/fred-trump-all-family-memoir-review/

[jonu]

You should have every reason to doubt it!
It doesn't pass the sniff test for a start.
The actual figure is an income of $787,712pa.
Even in poorer states like West Virginia it is $420,000pa.

1% of the US or worldwide? I was referring to worldwide, as per the short-lived protests of 5 years or so ago.

[Getty]

In a blatant act of disobedience to thread controller Daytr, I'm looking again at Fox TV right now.

I recommend others do the same.

They ran through a roll of Kamala's misdemeanors, with clips of her own speeches over time.

Scary stuff.

She now says 18 to 24 year olds are stupid.

[Daytr]

In a blatant act of disobedience to thread controller Daytr, I'm looking again at Fox TV right now.

I recommend others do the same.

They ran through a roll of Kamala's misdemeanors, with clips of her own speeches over time.

Scary stuff.

She now says 18 to 24 year olds are stupid.

Have they got a few weeks of coverage to run through Trump’s? Actually maybe that's not enough time. Perhaps until November might just cover it.

[Getty]

Have they got a few weeks of coverage to run through Trump’s? Actually maybe that's not enough time. Perhaps until November might just cover it.

I will let them know your request.

[Daytr]

In a blatant act of disobedience to thread controller Daytr, I'm looking again at Fox TV right now.

I recommend others do the same.

They ran through a roll of Kamala's misdemeanors, with clips of her own speeches over time.

Scary stuff.

She now says 18 to 24 year olds are stupid.

Just a reality and fact check on the context of the quote. This is exactly why you shouldn't rely on Fox news. But hey context is everything right. Fox News is an irresponsible organization.

And thanks for proving my point.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-checkkamala-harris-quote-onyoung-peoplebeingstupidismissing-contex-idUSKBN25G1I4/

[jonu]

I will let them know your request.

Always the whataboutery! Why can't people just acknowledge both candidates are trash and that US politics is hopelessly corrupt?

[Getty]

They were saying how God will help Joey through the next 6 months.

By already having Don Trump on the help list, God is going to be busy isn't she?

[Getty]

Just a reality and fact check on the context of the quote. This is exactly why you shouldn't rely on Fox news. But hey context is everything right. Fox News is an irresponsible organization.

And thanks for proving my point.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-checkkamala-harris-quote-onyoung-peoplebeingstupidismissing-contex-idUSKBN25G1I4/

You have not advised me which channel I should watch.

From what I see of CNN, it would be like expecting an objective assessment of the National Party on TV1 from Bentdick and Maiki

[Balance]

In a blatant act of disobedience to thread controller Daytr, I'm looking again at Fox TV right now.

I recommend others do the same.

They ran through a roll of Kamala's misdemeanors, with clips of her own speeches over time.

Scary stuff.

She now says 18 to 24 year olds are stupid.

Non stop fake news regurgitated from you without any fact check or context from Fox News.

How is this contributing to a contest of vision, ideas, aspirations and inspirations?

[Daytr]

You have not advised me which channel I should watch.

From what I see of CNN, it would be like expecting an objective assessment of the National Party on TV1 from Bentdick and Maiki

How about virtually anything but Fox News

[ynot]

Non stop fake news regurgitated from you without any fact check or context from Fox News.

How is this contributing to a contest of vision, ideas, aspirations and inspirations?


Apologies if you have already stated you views on NZTV1. Do you believe they have a left bias ?

[Getty]

Non stop fake news regurgitated from you without any fact check or context from Fox News.

How is this contributing to a contest of vision, ideas, aspirations and inspirations?

I don't know what your definition of fake news is, but I'm referring to Fox news which is part of the standard Sky package.
You either have it or you don't.
It runs continuous, and updates, and viewers can see it and form their own opinions on the news as presented.
When for example Kamala or just recently Biden gives a speech, it's the live coverage as shown elsewhere.

[Balance]

Apologies if you have already stated you views on NZTV1. Do you believe they have a left bias ?

Left bias is surely putting it mildly!

[Balance]

And this is what the level of intellectual, aspirational, inspirational and visionary debate that Trump’s running mate is stooping down to try and dissuade the electorate from voting for the competitor?

Fxxk - US is truly stuffed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/parenting/2024/07/24/kamala-harris-childless/

[Muse]

Left bias is surely putting it mildly!

TV1 is so far left my household never bothers to turn it on anymore. That's for a a different thread.

[Muse]

Yet you were OK with Biden? A lot of sidestepping going on here BJauck.

The big difference between Biden and previous presidential choices for VP is that Biden's political reasons for choosing Harris were purely racist and sexist. He said so. Not because she came from California, or had been an AG, or was competent. His criteria was that his VP be a coloured woman. I guess the party of the slavers hasn't changed that much in 150 years.

Some dog whistling going on here.

Kamala's qualifications
* University graduate
* Law school graduate
* Passes the bar exam
* Becomes District Attorney
* Becomes Attorney General (& reelected)
* Sitting US Senator
* Short listed US presidential candidate taking part in debates against Biden
* Vice President of the United States
* Now Presumptive Democratic Nominee

Kamala got on the short list to become the VP after passing her bar exam, becoming a district attorney, then becoming attorney general, then a US senator, through to becoming a contender for the US presidency BEFORE she was chosen as a VP pick. Jonu claims because she is a woman and black she was merely a diversity & inclusion candidate. I find those statements repugnant. She became a top presidential contender on her own merits. Jonu feigns outrage because simple politics saw her appointed VP, even if she was eminently qualified, but then shut up faster than Trump at math class when I asked him if he would have a problem with Harris picking a VP candidate on the basis they were white and a male on the basis of similar politics. Curious that, isn't it? 14 posts Jonu had yesterday on the US presidential election thread....clearly a busy person and really earning those NTM director fees.

And then the ramble and dog whistle about having more women in the in secret service and Trumps attempted assassination. Yes in response to you Jonu I saw the (short) women standing by trump after the shooting. Yes I thought they looked silly and couldn't holster their gun. But you implied (by dog whistle) that by having women in the SS was responsible for trump getting a knick on his ear? The SS snipers were men. All of them. The police officer who climbed onto the warehouse and failed to engage the shooter was a man. I'd bet you the 'agent in charge' of the whole area was also a man. But yet you instinctively moan about the women on the scene? All the people there fumbled and was a national disgrace. The women SS agents as far as I can tell had nothing to do with the security lapses that allowed that to happen. Like honestly, there was a monumental failure and all directly involved agents were men but you point to short women who had nothing to do with that and imply it was their fault? Get a grip Jonu. It was a total a complete failure - gender, race and sexuality had nothing to do with those failures. Can you imagine Jonu's howels to the moon had the SS snipers been women or the police officer who climbed the ladder and dropped to the ground been a woman?

[Panda-NZ-]

Plus she was a senator from California.. being the largest and wealthiest state there would be tough competition vs somewhere like wyoming where anyone would qualify.

[jonu]

Some dog whistling going on here.

Kamala's qualifications
* University graduate
* Law school graduate
* Passes the bar exam
* Becomes District Attorney
* Becomes Attorney General (& reelected)
* Sitting US Senator
* Short listed US presidential candidate taking part in debates against Biden
* Vice President of the United States
* Now Presumptive Democratic Nominee

Kamala got on the short list to become the VP after passing her bar exam, becoming a district attorney, then becoming attorney general, then a US senator, through to becoming a contender for the US presidency BEFORE she was chosen as a VP pick. Jonu claims because she is a woman and black she was merely a diversity & inclusion candidate. I find those statements repugnant. She became a top presidential contender on her own merits. Jonu feigns outrage because simple politics saw her appointed VP, even if she was eminently qualified, but then shut up faster than Trump at math class when I asked him if he would have a problem with Harris picking a VP candidate on the basis they were white and a male on the basis of similar politics. Curious that, isn't it? 14 posts Jonu had yesterday on the US presidential election thread....clearly a busy person and really earning those NTM director fees.

And then the ramble and dog whistle about having more women in the in secret service and Trumps attempted assassination. Yes in response to you Jonu I saw the (short) women standing by trump after the shooting. Yes I thought they looked silly and couldn't holster their gun. But you implied (by dog whistle) that by having women in the SS was responsible for trump getting a knick on his ear? The SS snipers were men. All of them. The police officer who climbed onto the warehouse and failed to engage the shooter was a man. I'd bet you the 'agent in charge' of the whole area was also a man. But yet you instinctively moan about the women on the scene? All the people there fumbled and was a national disgrace. The women SS agents as far as I can tell had nothing to do with the security lapses that allowed that to happen. Like honestly, there was a monumental failure and all directly involved agents were men but you point to short women who had nothing to do with that and imply it was their fault? Get a grip Jonu. It was a total a complete failure - gender, race and sexuality had nothing to do with those failures. Can you imagine Jonu's howels to the moon had the SS snipers been women or the police officer who climbed the ladder and dropped to the ground been a woman?

Hello Muse

You seem to be doing a lot of thinking on my behalf....none of which is what I think. Let's leave me to think for myself shall we?

Also, I wasn't quiet about Harris' VP pick, but that would require you to read my posts rather than just count them.

You list Harris' qualifications for the jobs she got in California on her way to VP. Shame Biden didn't use those as his criteria. Instead he went racist and sexist. Those were the most important two. Biden had the cheek to name drop MLK in his speech yesterday. MLK who famously wanted a country where a person was judged on their character, not the colour of their skin.

You validate my point about the short female SS surrounding Trump and then erroneously bring in the sex of the snipers. If the snipers were the best they had...so be it. Were short, small of stature body guards the best they had?

DEI is never a good idea as first criteria.

[Daytr]

Hello Muse

You seem to be doing a lot of thinking on my behalf....none of which is what I think. Let's leave me to think for myself shall we?

Also, I wasn't quiet about Harris' VP pick, but that would require you to read my posts rather than just count them.

You list Harris' qualifications for the jobs she got in California on her way to VP. Shame Biden didn't use those as his criteria. Instead he went racist and sexist. Those were the most important two. Biden had the cheek to name drop MLK in his speech yesterday. MLK who famously wanted a country where a person was judged on their character, not the colour of their skin.

You validate my point about the short female SS surrounding Trump and then erroneously bring in the sex of the snipers. If the snipers were the best they had...so be it. Were short, small of stature body guards the best they had?

DEI is never a good idea as first criteria.

Isn't Biden allowed to choose who he wants? People from different backgrounds be it ethnic or gender have different experiences, different understandings, different empathy due to those experiences.

What you see as sexist is the opposite of that, it's so a wider group of people in the US are represented by someone who is not only highly qualified, but also representative.

You have a simplistic view on things that fall far short of being a reasonable or justifiable argument.
As Muse rightly points out you have a habit of picking on women. I am sure the female SS agent is highly qualified and perhaps she has other qualities than just being someone who catches a bullet. But hey you judge her on appearances. No surprise there.

Jonu is a person who doesn't believe in the impact of human activity on the climate, is a covid conspiracy theorist and instead of science believes in a man, not a woman of course, that lives in heaven and created all & judges all, and that all is through a male lense of course. Mary was a virgin & humanity didn't evolve from apes.

So my question is, why do any of us give him time of day? It's feeding the nutter.
The old saying of arguing with a fool comes to mind.

I wonder how many of his NTL shareholders read this stuff and just close their eyes and hope.

[Panda-NZ-]

The attacks on Kamala are pretty out there:

She is childless, she wants to ban plastic straws and now she is stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5bMUGTFz0g&t=300s

Sorry if you want stupid, take one look at your 78 year old candidate.
& BTW where's the wall?

[Bjauck]

The attacks on Kamala are pretty out there:

She is childless, she wants to ban plastic straws and now she is stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5bMUGTFz0g&t=300s

Sorry if you want stupid, take one look at your 78 year old candidate.
& BTW where's the wall?
NZ’s first elected PM, Helen Clark’s childlessness, deep voice and trouser wearing were often deemed worthy of irrelevant comment too. I guess that happens when you don’t meet conservative expectations and strictures.