View Full Version : ACT's David Seymour - i like his style.
causecelebre
13-03-2024, 12:47 PM
Yeah, and Buffett has donated colossal amounts to charities that actually do good in the world. So he is effectively volunatrily paying a tax... he just chooses not to give it to Uncle Sam.
However, if taxes were raised for everyone in his position so that Uncle Sam got a bigger cut he would have no issue with it.
I don't really see the contradiction or hyprocrisy. Warren does put his money where his mouth is.
haha ironically Buffett donates to charities so he doesn’t have to pay taxes. His trusts and endowments are structured to minimise tax. However, I do get your point
Balance
14-03-2024, 08:12 PM
And if I were there, I would have told the protesting students to go fxxk themselves, ideally with a broomstick up their arses.
Bloody disgrace.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350212968/students-protest-spit-front-david-seymour-during-school-visit
Entrep
15-03-2024, 10:38 AM
Yep, absolutely disgusting.
What kind of school / teachers let students swear and spit.
And people wondering why NZ is going down the tubes?
Children are taught to respect no one from a young age.
The principal should step down. F**king disgrace
mistaTea
15-03-2024, 10:51 AM
Yep, absolutely disgusting.
What kind of school / teachers let students swear and spit.
And people wondering why NZ is going down the tubes?
Children are taught to respect no one from a young age.
The principal should step down. F**king disgrace
Yeah, attrocious behaviour. Embarassing for the school, the student involved and his family really.
I think David did well to not flinch and stand there.
Whether you agree or disagree with David on his Treaty Principles Bill... just trying to shout him down (like at Waitangi) or spit at him is not going to kill the idea that he has. Any idea should be debated... and when you cannot debate it and rather resort to verbal or physical abuse then you have already lost.
All these aggressive moves towards David are only hardening the views of many and will ironically make it more likely that David's Bill will ultimately gain approval.
Important not to blow this all out of proportion as it was one student playing up. David certainly didn't seem to make too much of it.
Yep, absolutely disgusting.
What kind of school / teachers let students swear and spit.
And people wondering why NZ is going down the tubes?
Children are taught to respect no one from a young age.
The principal should step down. F**king disgrace
I have my suspicions as to where this behavior originates, look no further than the classroom would be my guess.
Balance
15-03-2024, 11:42 AM
I have my suspicions as to where this behavior originates, look no further than the classroom would be my guess.
Yup - arseholes for teachers.
Balance
15-03-2024, 12:16 PM
Yeah, attrocious behaviour. Embarassing for the school, the student involved and his family really.
I think David did well to not flinch and stand there.
Whether you agree or disagree with David on his Treaty Principles Bill... just trying to shout him down (like at Waitangi) or spit at him is not going to kill the idea that he has. Any idea should be debated... and when you cannot debate it and rather resort to verbal or physical abuse then you have already lost.
All these aggressive moves towards David are only hardening the views of many and will ironically make it more likely that David's Bill will ultimately gain approval.
Important not to blow this all out of proportion as it was one student playing up. David certainly didn't seem to make too much of it.
Principal says school will be taking disciplinary action. Like gently telling the offending students that they should have been more aggressive?
Fxxk the whole kura or whatever they call themselves these days.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/511779/freyberg-high-school-says-students-behaviour-during-seymour-s-visit-totally-unacceptable
causecelebre
15-03-2024, 12:53 PM
I have my suspicions as to where this behavior originates, look no further than the classroom would be my guess.
Exactly.....
mistaTea
15-03-2024, 03:55 PM
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/511779/freyberg-high-school-says-students-behaviour-during-seymour-s-visit-totally-unacceptable
Spitting perfectly acceptable according to a haka expert.
Methinks in 2024 they might need a New Testament…
If we can now start spitting at our leaders then I think it is time to move to Aussie.
Getty
19-03-2024, 11:29 AM
Cultural tragics like Iti & Sharples try to excuse spitting in front of a leader as traditional protest.
Utter BS!
There was no accommodation for protest in front of the nepotistic Chiefs.
You toed the line, or suffered the consequences.
Cannibalism was traditional Iti & Sharples.
Are you going to excuse that if someone indulges?
Let's have some evolution.
Panda-NZ-
19-03-2024, 05:40 PM
The inevitable result of the politics of the maori party is land redistribution ANC style.
Which would effectively return the land back to nature.
The inevitable result of the politics of the maori party is land redistribution ANC style.
Which would effectively return the land back to nature.
Gez .. might be hope yet for young Panda .. hope the formula wasn't off when you got to it ;)
Aaron
20-03-2024, 08:16 AM
I have my suspicions as to where this behavior originates, look no further than the classroom would be my guess.
Debbie Ngarewa Packer's opinion piece in the herald this morning might provide an idea where it is coming from. It is not a totally unreasonable view but it condones the action.
confronting a politician who continues to attack the significance of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. He is part of a Government that is implementing harmful anti-Māori policy, relegating te reo Māori to second-class status
People on here, myself included think Maori are gaining special status rather than second-class status. I think they have the same opportunities that other Kiwis have.
I guess David might be right do we need to relook at whether Maori have special status and should they be treated as a separate and special group or did the chiefs cede power to the queen in the treaty. Should Maori have a nation within a nation?
Maori language and culture is an important part of NZ the Nation and should be protected and nurtured but not for me personally as I am not Maori. Not sure how it all gets reconciled at the end of the day.
In other news cuts to the police force on the front page of the herald. Libertarians are ironically and usually very strong on law and order and property rights, good to see that all govt depts are being made to trim the fat.
It also appears that crime is still happening in our great land, I am just not so fearful of it, as it is not being hyped up on the front page of the herald everyday as it was while it was a story collecting eyeballs and getting engagement from the public.
Aaron
20-03-2024, 02:48 PM
NZ the 11th happiest country in the world.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/new-zealand-falls-out-of-top-ten-happiest-countries-in-the-world/ar-BB1kbA5B?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=ea82a9364d7543cb8614b036ca7a2905&ei=16
I wonder what makes a happy country? Small govt low taxes? Not based on the countries in this list. Maybe they are happy despite high taxes and big govt.
NZs dropped out of the top 10 but I bet we jump back up once all the tax cuts and service cuts have been made.
I wonder what the tax rates and govt spending as a share of GDP are for Lebanon, Lesotho, Sierra Leone and Congo?
maybe like Regan said "the govt just needs to get out of the way."
Panda-NZ-
20-03-2024, 03:32 PM
Seymour and Luxon want us to become America.
But America has state govts which are expensive to run and create service duplication with different laws. We have none of that which equals a small lean govt.
Seymour and Luxon want us to become America.
But America has state govts which are expensive to run and create service duplication with different laws etc. We have none of that which equals a small lean govt.
Must be OK then if Ardern's already been there for some feel good & a check it out mission ;)
Aaron
21-03-2024, 10:33 AM
NZ the 11th happiest country in the world.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/new-zealand-falls-out-of-top-ten-happiest-countries-in-the-world/ar-BB1kbA5B?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=ea82a9364d7543cb8614b036ca7a2905&ei=16
I wonder what makes a happy country? Small govt low taxes? Not based on the countries in this list. Maybe they are happy despite high taxes and big govt.
NZs dropped out of the top 10 but I bet we jump back up once all the tax cuts and service cuts have been made.
I wonder what the tax rates and govt spending as a share of GDP are for Lebanon, Lesotho, Sierra Leone and Congo?
maybe like Regan said "the govt just needs to get out of the way."
Following on from the happiest countries we have the most indebted, although no idea where the information comes from. Some of the unhappiest countries also turn out to be the most indebted. I wonder if they borrowed to fund tax cuts.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/travel/news/countries-with-the-most-debt/ss-BB1k5MhP?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=88ab320d6b3b428db4d239f20fc51213&ei=14#image=5
Although from memory Canada made both lists.
Borrowing to fund tax cuts is probably better than borrowing to save the nation from a really bad flu virus, or endless consultants whose recommendations get ignored, or creating a separate Maori state. (I think that is what tino rangatiratanga or Mana Motuhake means, it is self-determination, independence, sovereignty, authority i.e. a separate Maori state and a people distinct from the rest of us Kiwis). I may be a hippy but I like the idea that we are all one people, not a bunch of different races and cultures living together in Gods own.
Rugby, Racing and Beer is my tikanga but I have to accept that all three cultural practices are dying out in the modern world and two of them at least are bad for my health.
davflaws
21-03-2024, 01:46 PM
NZ the 11th happiest country in the world.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/new-zealand-falls-out-of-top-ten-happiest-countries-in-the-world/ar-BB1kbA5B?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=ea82a9364d7543cb8614b036ca7a2905&ei=16
I wonder what makes a happy country?
Google Spirit Level. Follow and read some links.
tim23
22-03-2024, 09:25 PM
Seymour and Luxon want us to become America.
But America has state govts which are expensive to run and create service duplication with different laws. We have none of that which equals a small lean govt.
These CEO types running our country forget that they too are public servants- it’s 1990all over again- ugly
Aaron
25-03-2024, 08:32 AM
Google Spirit Level. Follow and read some links.
I am a bit slow and that went over my head. Google Spirit Level might be good if you are a tradie and not sure what links to follow.
But getting back to the worlds happiest countries, I have almost given up on zero hedge but it throws up the occasional article of interest.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/bidenomics-us-drops-out-top-20-happiest-nations-world-first-time
Still not sure where the data is coming from but apparently it could be broken down even further. Keeping in mind this is coming from the internet and zero hedge, so may be total bull, hopefully Mike Shedlock has done some research before publishing the findings.
I thought it was a shame that NZ dropped out of the top ten but if you look at the data further NZ ranks #6 for those aged 60 and over.
Although on the downside for those aged 30 and under we don't even make it into the top 25. Australia made it to 19 so I guess that is why our young people are going there.
What I think the data shows is that successive governments both National and Labour pandering to baby boomers has created one of the best retirement villages in the world. All we need is enough immigrants from the Phillipines and India to ensure retirement villages are fully staffed and I think we may have reached boomer utopia.
Not sure who funds national superannuation if all the young people leave and Chris and David get the taxes down, but that is a problem for future generations, nothing a bit of extend and pretend can't fix in the short term.
Maybe young people want too much like a house and a family. Perhaps they should just lower their expectations, harden up and stop spending money on avocado toast.
I always thought youth was a time for optimism and enthusiasm, maybe not in NZ for some reason. Although I can't think why. Maybe they should move to a country with smaller govt and lower taxation if they are so unhappy, it seems those countries are where all the unhappy people live.
Daytr
25-03-2024, 08:47 AM
I am a bit slow and that went over my head. Google Spirit Level might be good if you are a tradie and not sure what links to follow.
But getting back to the worlds happiest countries, I have almost given up on zero hedge but it throws up the occasional article of interest.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/bidenomics-us-drops-out-top-20-happiest-nations-world-first-time
Still not sure where the data is coming from but apparently it could be broken down even further. Keeping in mind this is coming from the internet and zero hedge so may be total bull hopefully Mike Shedlock has done some research before publishing the findings.
I thought it was a shame that NZ dropped out of the top ten but if you look at the data further NZ ranks #6 for those aged 60 and over.
Although on the downside for those aged 30 and under we don't even make it into the top 25. Australia made it to 19 so I guess that is why our young people are going there.
What I think the data shows is that successive governments both National and Labour pandering to baby boomers has created one of the best retirement villages in the world. All we need is enough immigrants from the Phillipines and India to ensure retirement villages are fully staffed and I think we may have reached boomer utopia.
Maybe young people want too much like a house and a family. Perhaps they should just lower their expectations, harden up and stop spending money on avocado toast.
I always thought youth was a time for optimism and enthusiasm, maybe not in NZ for some reason. Although I can't think why. Maybe they should move to a country with smaller govt and lower taxation if they are so unhappy, it seems those countries are where all the unhappy people live.
The results are a reflection of our unfair system where the baby boomers have created wealth through tax free investments whilst not paying sufficient tax to keep our infrastructure maintained.
Whereas the new generations are faced footing the bill and a very expensive property market.
NZ only 20 years ago was a relatively cheap country. The lack of courage of the various governments in that time has cost the country dearly.
davflaws
25-03-2024, 08:59 AM
I am a bit slow and that went over my head. Google Spirit Level might be good if you are a tradie and not sure what links to follow.
Googling 'the spirit level' Will take you to a number of books and articles describing research on inequality and happiness . Both of these have been studied independently. The Spirit Level investigated the reloation between them.
The correlations are astoundingly high, both across developed countries, and across states in the USA. The more inequality, the less happiness and the worse the social statistics across health, education, crime, teenage pregnancy, family violence - whatever.
In more unequal societies everyone is worse off (even those on the top of the heap)
Aaron
25-03-2024, 09:06 AM
Googling 'the spirit level' Will take you to a number of books and articles describing research on inequality and happiness . Both of these have been studied independently. The Spirit Level investigated the reloation between them.
The correlations are astoundingly high, both across developed countries, and across states in the USA. The more inequality, the less happiness and the worse the social statistics across health, education, crime, teenage pregnancy, family violence - whatever.
In more unequal societies everyone is worse off (even those on the top of the heap)
Thanks for that I googled "Google Spirit Level" and found that google has an app that helps if you want things leveled. I thought the joke must have been too subtle for me.
Who thinks we are working towards a more equal happy society and who thinks we are working against this proven ideal for a nation?
Whoops, sorry briefly slipped into the politics of envy and the tall poppy syndrome. I forgot what thread we are on.
mistaTea
25-03-2024, 09:06 AM
Googling 'the spirit level' Will take you to a number of books and articles describing research on inequality and happiness . Both of these have been studied independently. The Spirit Level investigated the reloation between them.
The correlations are astoundingly high, both across developed countries, and across states in the USA. The more inequality, the less happiness and the worse the social statistics across health, education, crime, teenage pregnancy, family violence - whatever.
In more unequal societies everyone is worse off (even those on the top of the heap)
Seems logical.
I mean, if you position the opposite - massively unequal society whereby the vast majority of assets are owned/controlled by a small minority while ‘the rest’ struggle along to various degrees - it is hard to imagine that society being a very happy one.
The trick is to get the balance right whereby everyone chips in proportional to their wealth without removing incentives (which causes other issues). Not as easy to do as some politicians might have you believe.
Panda-NZ-
25-03-2024, 09:21 AM
The correlations are astoundingly high, both across developed countries, and across states in the USA. The more inequality, the less happiness and the worse the social statistics across health, education, crime, teenage pregnancy, family violence - whatever.
Plus we are all heavily into debt now to keep this thing going, we weren't prior to Reagan.
Debt for everything - mortgages, student loans, national debt. cool aye.
Daytr
25-03-2024, 09:53 AM
Seems logical.
I mean, if you position the opposite - massively unequal society whereby the vast majority of assets are owned/controlled by a small minority while ‘the rest’ struggle along to various degrees - it is hard to imagine that society being a very happy one.
The trick is to get the balance right whereby everyone chips in proportional to their wealth without removing incentives (which causes other issues). Not as easy to do as some politicians might have you believe.
Plus we are all heavily into debt now to keep this thing going, we weren't prior to Reagan.
Debt for everything - mortgages, student loans, national debt. cool aye.
Unrestrained capitalism at its worst.
Panda-NZ-
25-03-2024, 10:29 AM
Unrestrained capitalism at its worst.
Funnily enough the only countries which have resisted "credit" funded lifestyles are Sweden, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands and Australia.
The results are a reflection of our unfair system where the baby boomers have created wealth through tax free investments whilst not paying sufficient tax to keep our infrastructure maintained.
Whereas the new generations are faced footing the bill and a very expensive property market.
NZ only 20 years ago was a relatively cheap country. The lack of courage of the various governments in that time has cost the country dearly.
I think you forgot to add that compliance costs are far higher now than they were years back, adding to costs everywhere. Another thing this current generation has to deal with, more red tape and more paperwork. There are jobs now that need two people to do things where it used to only take one. Someone needs to pay for that.
Daytr
27-03-2024, 09:40 AM
I think you forgot to add that compliance costs are far higher now than they were years back, adding to costs everywhere. Another thing this current generation has to deal with, more red tape and more paperwork. There are jobs now that need two people to do things where it used to only take one. Someone needs to pay for that.
Very true. The old 'how many to change a light bulb' seems quite appropriate here.
Bjauck
27-03-2024, 09:52 AM
I think you forgot to add that compliance costs are far higher now than they were years back, adding to costs everywhere. Another thing this current generation has to deal with, more red tape and more paperwork. There are jobs now that need two people to do things where it used to only take one. Someone needs to pay for that.
I guess an increasingly wealthy country can afford better heal and safety for those that work, provided the wealth does not just continue to accumulate to the already wealthy retired.
iceman
27-03-2024, 09:56 AM
I guess an increasingly wealthy country can afford better heal and safety for those that work, provided the wealth does not just continue to accumulate to the already wealthy retired.
Increased number of people working on OSH related issues and hugely increased red tape in this field, does not always equate to improved safety outcomes.
Aaron
04-04-2024, 08:21 AM
Not sure if the data is correct.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/these-are-countries-lowest-corporate-tax-rates
Does not say much but low tax rates may not be the solution to every nations problems.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/these-are-countries-lowest-corporate-tax-rates
Interesting looking at the 1980 to 2023 comparison. What a change in view regarding contributing to society.
I wonder why this was. Something to do with high inflation or perhaps we had not quite finished investing in the young people of our nation. 1980 is this before the neoliberal ideology gained hold and we turned inwards and selfish. Seems to be more room to run amongst the NZ voting public if that is the case.
Aaron
09-04-2024, 12:16 PM
Not sure if how accurate the data is. It has Aussie at 55% personal tax rate but "income taxes" are 45% at the top rate.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/these-are-the-countries-where-people-pay-the-highest-income-tax/ss-BB1lgCbw?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=a00ea81ee38040fd85346a55ecb79cc7&ei=12#image=28
Anyway not sure it proves that high taxes results in the devastation of a country. Most of them seem pretty decent. Not sure I want to live in China though.
All these young people heading to Aussie must not understand that low tax and small govt makes for a better country. Aussie must be on the cusp of collapse.
Probably just added 10% for GST.
Aaron
09-04-2024, 03:27 PM
Probably just added 10% for GST.
Maybe but it is not an income tax as stated in the article heading. Fluff piece anyway so accuracy is probably not important.
Maybe they included capital gains tax as well and averaged it with the lower income tax rates. Who knows?
To me the article if accurate appears to further refute the low taxes, small govt better country argument.
Admittedly high taxes do not equal non-wasteful spending so personally I think the public service cuts are most probably a good idea in some cases, but not sure we need the tax cuts as well. Why not run a surplus, or start the journey with a new small tax free threshold that we would all enjoy and it would probably help those who are struggling the most. Probably a bit more complicated than that.
I wonder how much a zero to $5,000 tax free income threshold would compare with moving the current tax thresholds up. I know it is not Chris Ls target demographic but they have been hit hard with Adrian's and Labour's inflation.
I do not really oppose moving the tax thresholds up either as inflation has been running hot and even if Adrian could manage 3% it has been so long since these thresholds moved Labour was being a bit sneaky not beating national to the punch raising them.
Aaron
10-04-2024, 03:26 PM
Not that I disagree with the proposals to get kids to school, education is important but David Seymour as a libertarian must be struggling with his ideals, forcing stupid/selfish parents to get their kids to school. Maybe they feel that a Fiji vacation is a better learning experience for their children.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/david-seymour-and-prime-minister-christopher-luxon-announce-crackdown-on-truancy-school-attendance/5ZQNJWIOJ5EPBB3L3MIPUIEKQM/
causecelebre
10-04-2024, 04:31 PM
Not that I disagree with the proposals to get kids to school, education is important but David Seymour as a libertarian must be struggling with his ideals, forcing stupid/selfish parents to get their kids to school. Maybe they feel that a Fiji vacation is a better learning experience for their children.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/david-seymour-and-prime-minister-christopher-luxon-announce-crackdown-on-truancy-school-attendance/5ZQNJWIOJ5EPBB3L3MIPUIEKQM/
Just a throw away comment to let people know he can also put rich people on notice not just the disenfranchised pearls that the left will clutch to
https://www.stuff.co.nz/a/nz-news/350296200/act-accuses-manawatu-school-encouraging-students-anti-government-activism
ACT accuses Manawatū school of encouraging students into anti-Government activism
The ACT Party has accused a Manawatū school of “using children as political pawns” after it allowed students to dress up in red, black and white in support of the Budget Day protests.
North Street School in Feilding posted on Facebook that the Government’s actions regarding Te Tiriti o Waitangi and well-being of tangata whenua raised “serious concerns”.
The post by deputy principal Pāora Pōmare continued: “It appears that the needs of marginalised communities, including the poor and minorities, are being overlooked.
WTF - who gave them the day off when they was sposed to be in the classroon learning ? ;)
Won't be learning much from those di%khead activist protestors who probably only went to skool to steal other kids lunches & now likely can't spell their own names ;)
Aaron
19-06-2024, 01:49 PM
And to think I was worrying about capital flight not so long ago. Maybe Chris, David and Winston have turned it around in a short period of time.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350315897/new-zealand-named-among-worlds-top-safe-havens-millionaires
Or maybe all the wealthy people threatening to leave with their capital every time they hear something they don't like are full of sh*t.
Not you Balance I have seen the picture of your Australian paradise. Have you moved yet?
mistaTea
21-06-2024, 01:00 PM
Hmmmmmn. Lord Seymour snap chatting young girls not great optics is it.
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/06/20/seymour-fronts-up-on-snapchats-with-school-kids/
Balance
05-07-2024, 09:04 AM
Hmmmmmn. Lord Seymour snap chatting young girls not great optics is it.
https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/06/20/seymour-fronts-up-on-snapchats-with-school-kids/
Shameful & reprehensible how the media tried to conjure up something sleezy about Seymour interacting with school kids, both male & female.
Not a word about Ardern doing the same with 14 year old schoolboys.
Shame on the media.
Barry Soper: What's the point of the David Seymour Snapchat story?
It's not often that you would feel the need to jump to the defence of a politician, they're usually more than capable of looking after themselves, with a few exceptions.
One politician who isn't an exception, in terms of looking after himself that is, is the straight as a die David Seymour, ACT's leader. What you see is what you get.
And that's what teenage schoolkids got when they have contacted Seymour on social media over the years.
He's politely responded to them saying he's always behaved online as he is in person, courteous, responsive and polite.
But the fact that he even engaged with the kids has some sections of the media in high dudgeon, how could a middle aged politician reply to a questions from schoolgirls, some as young as 14?
The answer is simple, they asked him a question but then, so did schoolboys, which to the ghouls seems to be less offensive.
The media outlets, which unfortunately included Newshub, in its final few days of life, ran a breathless report suggesting Seymour making contact with schoolgirls back in 2016 was in some way sleazy.
The content of the messages wasn't inappropriate, so what's the point of the story?
Well after eight years the anonymous mother of a then 14-year-old is now calling for guidelines around how politicians communicate with young people on social media.
A former Epsom Girls Grammar student said she too was a 14 year old when she started messaging Seymour on Snapchat. The television piece showed young people crowded around phone cheering that Seymour actually replied.
Clearly it was seen as something of a badge of honour to get a politician to reply, all harmless fun, most of us would think.
But not that anonymous mum who's complained so long after the contact saying the fact that a much older politician was direct messaging them at all was bizarre.
A former Auckland Grammar Student was quoted saying he messaged Seymour when he was 15. He said, at the time, it was hilarious.
He remembers being thankful and going around the school, feeling like a big deal, showing everyone that the ACT leader had replied to him.
Like all the others he said messages from Seymour were never inappropriate.
It seems to me like a political hit job which hopefully will backfire on all of those who have brought into it. Although we will never know because they've hidden behind the cloak of anonymity.
The reason for stirring the pot so long after the event is only for them to know.
If there was any grooming done, which of course there wasn't in that sense, it would have been to encourage the young to take an interest in politics.
It was never Seymour who initiated the contact. He was on Snapchat because his party used to spend election campaign money with the site.
And what if it was a female politician replying to questions from schoolkids? You would likely have never have heard a squeak.
Apparently Jacinda Ardern did it all the time!
Daytr
05-07-2024, 10:58 AM
Yes, that is all fair enough. From memory, the articles at the time did make it clear that there were no suggestions of inpropriety in terms of the content of the messages.
Perhaps there were other articles I missed which insinuated something more sinister?
Anyway, I just think Lord Seymour (and other politicians) need to tread very carefully when engaging directly with kids as young as 14.
It is all good and well to try to get the youngsters interested in politics etc, but it is the nature of things that you open yourself up to potential suggestions of inpropriety down the line.
We can shake or fist at the sky and curse this damned society that thinks the worst all we want - it is what it is. And a middle aged man texting 14 year old girls is bound to raise eyebrows.
I would not be comfortable with him messaging my teenage kids. Especially not a daughter (that might upset the feminists, but f*ck em).
Very rarely I agree with you, but even though Seymour did nothing wrong it was poor judgment, especially when it's something like snap chat where the messages disappear.
Shame you had to ruin your post with such dumb, ugly comment to finish.
Can't help yourself I suppose, but no misogynists on here. 🙄
Balance
05-07-2024, 11:59 AM
Yes, that is all fair enough. From memory, the articles at the time did make it clear that there were no suggestions of inpropriety in terms of the content of the messages.
Perhaps there were other articles I missed which insinuated something more sinister?
Anyway, I just think Lord Seymour (and other politicians) need to tread very carefully when engaging directly with kids as young as 14.
It is all good and well to try to get the youngsters interested in politics etc, but it is the nature of things that you open yourself up to potential suggestions of inpropriety down the line.
We can shake or fist at the sky and curse this damned society that thinks the worst all we want - it is what it is. And a middle aged man texting 14 year old girls is bound to raise eyebrows.
I would not be comfortable with him messaging my teenage kids. Especially not a daughter (that might upset the feminists, but f*ck em).
He wasn't texting them but replying to their texts - there's a big difference.
Anyway, it was obviously a hit job which highlights just how pathetic and reprehensible the msm has become. No mention of Ardern doing exactly the same to provide perspective.
Karma - Newshub is gone and it will be wonderful when more will follow if that's the quality of reporting to be expected from them.
BTW - there’s that bad smell again for those who haven’t put the loser Dandelo on Ignore. Must smell really bad for him to want to continue to spread it around - imagine what his stinky abode must be like!
Panda-NZ-
21-08-2024, 12:20 PM
Hmm, what's going on here.
Ministry of Regulation staffers earn 150k per year.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350383567/ministry-regulation-staffers-earn-average-150k-year/?utm_source=stuff_article&utm_medium=referral
Maybe it's time to take the axe to this ministry of waste and bureaucracy.
tim23
21-08-2024, 07:08 PM
Hmm, what's going on here.
Ministry of Regulation staffers earn 150k per year.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350383567/ministry-regulation-staffers-earn-average-150k-year/?utm_source=stuff_article&utm_medium=referral
Maybe it's time to take the axe to this ministry of waste and bureaucracy.
Do as I say but not as I do😀
thegreatestben
21-08-2024, 07:52 PM
Public Service Commission and PSA have a bit to do with the pay in public sector. They really try to keep the bands similar across the sector, I haven't bothered to look (because 150k is nothing special) but whatever the roles are they likely attract the same salary no matter which ministry.
If you'd rather they offered less for the salaries you'll either get low performers or no applicants.
We have set role salaries, your job is sized to a band and that's the amount you get. Every role and the band it's in is openly available information.
Shameful & reprehensible how the media tried to conjure up something sleezy about Seymour interacting with school kids, both male & female.
One of the girls commented in the article that she found it a bit creepy and I think it is inappropriate:
“There were definitely instances where one of us at 14 years old would send him a Snapchat and then he would reply. We’d be in school uniform, it was very obvious that we were young women at school. I found it creepy at the time, I still find it creepy now. And it’s interesting that it’s a shared experience amongst a lot of other people.”
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