Nat/act/nzf 2023

[Balance]

I would suggest the exact opposite.
Luxon knows he can't lose the more reasonable middle ground, the swing voters that decide elections.
The centrist doesn't have the extreme views of the likes of NZF or ACT, they are voters who will drop National if they become too extreme, underperform or other, they are fickle & its for these same sort of reasons they dropped Labour & elected the coalition.

Watch what happens next election if Luxon continues along the current spineless track.

ACT & NZF will take more of the traditional National votes and leave National in a weakened position.

Good example of the public mood :

https://thebfd.co.nz/2024/05/16/new-...own-the-dunny/

" ...... Winston’s no weirdos in women’s bathrooms bill. The Labour Party are all in on opposing this and I suggested that they should go for it, that Winston had the right of it. It turns out Winston and I were right.

Family First commissioned a poll to see what the public thinks and, what do you know, Kiwis think the same as Winston."

[Daytr]

Watch what happens next election if Luxon continues along the current spineless track.

ACT & NZF will take more of the traditional National votes and leave National in a weakened position.

Good example of the public mood :

https://thebfd.co.nz/2024/05/16/new-...own-the-dunny/

" ...... Winston’s no weirdos in women’s bathrooms bill. The Labour Party are all in on opposing this and I suggested that they should go for it, that Winston had the right of it. It turns out Winston and I were right.

Family First commissioned a poll to see what the public thinks and, what do you know, Kiwis think the same as Winston."

NZF & ACT have lost more support than any other party since the election I believe. Happy to stand corrected. If you think more people are going to swing harder right, I think you are mistaken.

Elections are still won in the middle ground, that 20% swing voter. I think you will find voters wanted a rebalance not a full swing of the pendulum.

[Aaron]

Watch what happens next election if Luxon continues along the current spineless track.

ACT & NZF will take more of the traditional National votes and leave National in a weakened position.

Good example of the public mood :

https://thebfd.co.nz/2024/05/16/new-...own-the-dunny/

" ...... Winston’s no weirdos in women’s bathrooms bill. The Labour Party are all in on opposing this and I suggested that they should go for it, that Winston had the right of it. It turns out Winston and I were right.

Family First commissioned a poll to see what the public thinks and, what do you know, Kiwis think the same as Winston."

Funnily enough I was reading an article in the herald this morning about a person who was upset working for Taika Waititi. The person goes by They/Them and suffered abuse and a back injury and PTSD apparently.

The article initially sounded as though it was lots of people, until you realised they were talking about one whiny idiot. It makes you wonder why the herald would pander to these *ucktards.

[Bjauck]

Funnily enough I was reading an article in the herald this morning about a person who was upset working for Taika Waititi. The person goes by They/Them and suffered abuse and a back injury and PTSD apparently.

The article initially sounded as though it was lots of people, until you realised they were talking about one whiny idiot. It makes you wonder why the herald would pander to these *ucktards.

Surely the important issue is the alleged trauma and abuse, not the gender of the person, and whether the Herald knew the gender, or asked how the person wanted to be identified.

[causecelebre]

Surely the important issue is the alleged trauma and abuse, not the gender of the person, and whether the Herald knew the gender, or asked how the person wanted to be identified.

"She" wanted to use the "they" pronoun, not the Herald making the decision. Bloody confusing when reading the article. Makes it sound like a whole bunch of them were effected (or should that be affected haha)

[mistaTea]

"She" wanted to use the "they" pronoun, not the Herald making the decision. Bloody confusing when reading the article. Makes it sound like a whole bunch of them were effected (or should that be affected haha)

They (as in The Herald, i.e. correct use of the term) could have just used her name each time to be clear if they didn't want to 'offend' with a he or she pronoun.

But The Herald are too busy showing how awesome and inclusive they are.

To their detriment ultimately.

[Aaron]

Surely the important issue is the alleged trauma and abuse, not the gender of the person, and whether the Herald knew the gender, or asked how the person wanted to be identified.

To be honest I could not give a s*it about the persons trauma even if they were a he, a she or a they. I was just annoyed that I thought I was reading about large scale abuse on a movie set until I realised they were talking about one possibly troubled individual who was unhappy.

It annoys me that people want to use "they" and "them" instead of "he" and "she" as it makes things confusing and IMO should not be encouraged by main stream media as I would assume clarity when writing would be important for a real journalist.

[mistaTea]

To be honest I could not give a s*it about the persons trauma even if they were a he, a she or a they. I was just annoyed that I thought I was reading about large scale abuse on a movie set until I realised they were talking about one possibly troubled individual who was unhappy.

It annoys me that people want to use "they" and "them" instead of "he" and "she" as it makes things confusing and IMO should not be encouraged by main stream media as I would assume clarity when writing would be important for a real journalist.

Agreed, I can go along with calling a male to female trans she (or vice versa) but when they try to come up with all of this other sh1te that is confusing I am less than impressed too.

You see it on Linkedin a lot now too where the majority who are not even trans are adding their preferred pronound. WTF.

We have a bloke at work who likes to wear dresses. I don't actually know if 'she' is a transgender or if he is just a transvestite. Lovely bloke/lady I am sure... but to be honest I just try to avoid because I just know I am going to say 'the wrong thing' or put my foot in it somehow and then look like a bigot.

I doubt I am alone in feeling that way. And I am actually all for people expressing themselves how they want to etc...but it just feels like a political minefield now.

[causecelebre]

Agreed, I can go along with calling a male to female trans she (or vice versa) but when they try to come up with all of this other sh1te that is confusing I am less than impressed too.

You see it on Linkedin a lot now too where the majority who are not even trans are adding their preferred pronound. WTF.

We have a bloke at work who likes to wear dresses. I don't actually know if 'she' is a transgender or if he is just a transvestite. Lovely bloke/lady I am sure... but to be honest I just try to avoid because I just know I am going to say 'the wrong thing' or put my foot in it somehow and then look like a bigot.

I doubt I am alone in feeling that way. And I am actually all for people expressing themselves how they want to etc...but it just feels like a political minefield now.

I feel like this in life now. I was in the office the other day. My neighbour just started ranting about Trump, Elon Musk and various other progressive "issues". Now, if I was to take the other side it would be career risk. I feel like I have to walk through life keeping my mouth closed. Its a form of oppression and pushes me further away from appreciating the point of view from the "other side".

Can't imagine what would happen if I went to HR an said I didn't feel "safe"

[mistaTea]

I feel like this in life now. I was in the office the other day. My neighbour just started ranting about Trump, Elon Musk and various other progressive "issues". Now, if I was to take the other side it would be career risk. I feel like I have to walk through life keeping my mouth closed. Its a form of oppression and pushes me further away from appreciating the point of view from the "other side".

Can't imagine what would happen if I went to HR an said I didn't feel "safe"

Totally, in the work place if you have opinions that are not part of the accepted script it is better to just keep your mouth shut as you cannot predict how your career could be negatively impacted.

Speaking ones mind then become the domain of the rich who do not need to work, but even that is fraught with difficulty.